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[IDEA] Pokemon for Diamond?

Hi there
I just downloaded a emulator of the nintendo DS. Right now i'm playing Pokemon on my computer
So my question is: can a interested developer work on a emulator or something for the Diamond, so we could play games like pokemon etc.?
Anyone interested?

Google morphgear... don't think it has DS funcionality but I used to use it all the time on my Tilt

The Diamond hasn'tgot even 1% of power required to run DS games. The idea is nice though, because both PPC and DS have a touch screen.

I have pokemon for GBC on my diamond. PocketGNUboy i think.

kosherpig said:
The Diamond hasn'tgot even 1% of power required to run DS games. The idea is nice though, because both PPC and DS have a touch screen.
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And where did you get that from? Oh, the name gives it all a way !
If anything, the opposite statement that DS hasn't got 1% of the Diamond's power would be true. However the reality is Diamond has, theoretically, more processor power, a better GPU for better gaming. But up till now, the GPU has never been fully utilised due to the decision of HTC and Qualcomm (the processor+GPU manufacturer.)

Blaumes said:
I have pokemon for GBC on my diamond. PocketGNUboy i think.
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I have download and installed PocketGNUboy on my Diamond right now. Now, do i just have to download a ROM of Pokemon and put it on my diamond? Or are there special roms for pocket pc's?
Mhm i downloaded a ROM of gameboy color. But i cant use the touchscreen, i need the buttons to play. And somehow that doesnt work good.....
Anyone know what to do?
Because i cant use volume buttons for example, because when i press them, the volume bar appears, and the emulator does nothing...

nuke1 said:
And where did you get that from? Oh, the name gives it all a way !
If anything, the opposite statement that DS hasn't got 1% of the Diamond's power would be true. However the reality is Diamond has, theoretically, more processor power, a better GPU for better gaming. But up till now, the GPU has never been fully utilised due to the decision of HTC and Qualcomm (the processor+GPU manufacturer.)
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From where I know? My friend has a 1,8GHz Intel Celeron CPU and NO$GBA (a DS emulator, written in assembly) ran at about 80% with no sound. How do you imagine running it on an about 3x weaker CPU?
And before you say my friend's computer sucks. If you read VisualBoyAdvance's readme file it says you need a 500MHz PIII CPU to run GBA games:
Windows: PIII 500Mhz machine for GBA emulation.
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GBA has a 16.8MHz CPU. So, now you will tell that thousands of users of this program are using a underpowered emulator?

Here's a great emulator I use on my Diamond, its MorphGear. You can play SNES, GB, GBA, NES, GameGear and SMS games on it. It requires you to pay a bit for some features(not sure what, never had the trial version for long) unless you're a pirate, but its well worth it.
Code:
http://www.spicypixel.com/web/page/morphgear/Download.aspx

Sleehond said:
I have download and installed PocketGNUboy on my Diamond right now. Now, do i just have to download a ROM of Pokemon and put it on my diamond? Or are there special roms for pocket pc's?
Mhm i downloaded a ROM of gameboy color. But i cant use the touchscreen, i need the buttons to play. And somehow that doesnt work good.....
Anyone know what to do?
Because i cant use volume buttons for example, because when i press them, the volume bar appears, and the emulator does nothing...
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The bottom of the screen is working as buttons. But for me there should be an image there showing the buttons but it doesnt. dont know why.

kosherpig said:
From where I know? My friend has a 1,8GHz Intel Celeron CPU and NO$GBA (a DS emulator, written in assembly) ran at about 80% with no sound. How do you imagine running it on an about 3x weaker CPU?
And before you say my friend's computer sucks. If you read VisualBoyAdvance's readme file it says you need a 500MHz PIII CPU to run GBA games:
GBA has a 16.8MHz CPU. So, now you will tell that thousands of users of this program are using a underpowered emulator?
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Your an idiot, plain and simple and your friend must be mentally challenged, too. The Diamond's processor is running at about 500mhz and has a ton or RAM whereas the DS lite has like 32MB? of RAM (the original had way less than that and it needed to be expanded by a gba memory pack to even handle web browsing) and an incredibly weak processor and it managed to run GBA games just fine. The Diamond and almost any other late 2008 ppc can handle GBA games with ease. The iPhone, running at around 600mhz, can play most of them at full speed.
I seriously doubt that you understand anything about emulation or virtualization, but basically to emulate a GBA the software has to translate commands meant for the GBA processor into commands the Diamonds processor can understand which takes a hell of a lot more resources than virtualization which uses the full CPU power like the DS when playing GBA games so it easier for the DS to play GBA but that does not mean it is more powerful.
Back to question, you can use any emulator for PPC that plays GBA games like morphgear, but some of them require a gba BIOS which I can't post the link to but if you google gba_bios.bin you should find it pretty easily. also I cant post any ROMs but any regular .gba file will work

just use an emulator like the ones listed above or get the game boy color versions of the game

i use smartgear to play pokemon, works a treat

In regards to the keys need a remaperer such as AEG

earni said:
i use smartgear to play pokemon, works a treat
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Hey, you want to share your savefile? I played like 2 hours and then I was on my way to settings and I missclicked. I clicked reset

talking about emulators i found a gba emulator for ppc which is free. havent tried it yet though but try it out
http://www.bashbosh.com/gameboy-advance-emulator-for-pocket-pc/
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sammypwns said:
Your an idiot, plain and simple and your friend must be mentally challenged, too. The Diamond's processor is running at about 500mhz and has a ton or RAM whereas the DS lite has like 32MB? of RAM (the original had way less than that and it needed to be expanded by a gba memory pack to even handle web browsing) and an incredibly weak processor and it managed to run GBA games just fine.
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a) Because it doesn't emulate, nor virtualize, it is just backwards compatible ARM processor. And before you say GBA emuated GBC/GB. You know that GBA had simply GBC's hardware in it?
b) So tell authors of emulators they suck - they can't emulate a tiny GBA cpu with less than 500MHz. Or two NDS CPUs with total clock about 100MHz reuires
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(from website of NO$GBA, a program which emulates NDS, and does it fast).
c) Get yourself a eee pc, MSI Wind, or any other netbook and show me ANY NDS emulator running fullspeed.
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The Diamond and almost any other late 2008 ppc can handle GBA games with ease. The iPhone, running at around 600mhz, can play most of them at full speed.
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Have you noticed that I was talking about NDS?
sammypwns said:
I seriously doubt that you understand anything about emulation or virtualization, but basically to emulate a GBA the software has to translate commands meant for the GBA processor into commands the Diamonds processor can understand which takes a hell of a lot more resources than virtualization which uses the full CPU power like the DS when playing GBA games so it easier for the DS to play GBA but that does not mean it is more powerful.
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If you actually paid attention to what I wrote, you would see that I simply show that having 10x better CPU clock doesn't mean you can emulate a game.

Hojlind said:
talking about emulators i found a gba emulator for ppc which is free. havent tried it yet though but try it out
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I got like 5-6 fps when I played pokemon red fire, any idea how to increase the fps?

lattiS710 said:
I got like 5-6 fps when I played pokemon red fire, any idea how to increase the fps?
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no clue i just got home and tried it out and it wont even install on my diamond so i cant help you there

kosherpig said:
a) Because it doesn't emulate, nor virtualize, it is just backwards compatible ARM processor. And before you say GBA emuated GBC/GB. You know that GBA had simply GBC's hardware in it?
b) So tell authors of emulators they suck - they can't emulate a tiny GBA cpu with less than 500MHz. Or two NDS CPUs with total clock about 100MHz reuires(from website of NO$GBA, a program which emulates NDS, and does it fast).
c) Get yourself a eee pc, MSI Wind, or any other netbook and show me ANY NDS emulator running fullspeed.
Have you noticed that I was talking about NDS?
If you actually paid attention to what I wrote, you would see that I simply show that having 10x better CPU clock doesn't mean you can emulate a game.
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yes i do know that nintendo did just incorporate the gbc processor onto the mb of the gba. however the ds does not have that so it virtualizes the gba/gbc environment, and the ds does this at full speed with a very weak processor. emulation takes way more resources but any pc with a graphics card, even an intel gma, can run gba games at full speed. are you using the gba bios? try VBA on your pc and let me know how fast it plays? I pointed out the the iPhone can run GBA games at full speed with gpsphone so wy can't the diamond, which has a dedicated video card, albeit slightly slower processor?

looking at this thread made me install morphgear and i also registered some of the freatures and so forth .. well anyway.. just to say, what the horse... GBA is not running smooth... it's not even running on original speed... well it does come down to developement.. the specs of the phone is good enough for GBA i guess.. well GBC works perfect.. haven't tried other types of emul, on morphgear... well i really wanted to play pokemon emerald but no way, i can't because the emulator is to slow for me to be patient to finish it... i have a Raphael BTW.. well from being a symbian user in many years and coming from a nokia n95 phone which does emulate GBA games perfect and more than perfect, this kinda dissappoints me but i'm not going to cry as i remember when the first beta for emulating GBA on symbian was way slow.. well even my nokia n70 runned GBA in a over perfect speed... well it all comes down to developement..
as for NDS, it is possible but nothing we can expect to come fast at this moment.. we might want to wait and see,...

[DISUCSS] Phone not represeted as Marketing..

i really want to buy this phone but i keep getting reasons not ..
if phone cant run PSP/PS1 game...(not even PSP Emulator from Sony )
and only can run PSP developed to Android games..
(which for some reason i dont see GOW and other titles coming to Android)
what other reasons i got buy this phone?
Thank you

TDMaster said:
i really want to buy this phone but i keep getting reasons not ..
if phone cant run PSP/PS1 game...(not even PSP Emulator from Sony )
and only can run PSP developed to Android games..
(which for some reason i dont see GOW and other titles coming to Android)
what other reasons i got buy this phone?
Thank you
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It can play ps1 games with the emulator fpse
I play final fantasy , tekken 3 , gran turismo at full speed ! if you want I can make a video
I think with the xperia play a developer will create a worthy psp emulator (at least I hope so

arcticmedia said:
It can play ps1 games with the emulator fpse
I play final fantasy , tekken 3 , gran turismo at full speed ! if you want I can make a video
I think with the xperia play a developer will create a worthy psp emulator (at least I hope so
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There isn't even a really working PSP emulator on PC However, Sony Ericsson demo'd God of War and Little Big Planet from the PSP on the phone already - so we will most likely see some ports of existing PSP games appear in the Playstation Pocket app.

Meister_Li said:
There isn't even a really working PSP emulator on PC However, Sony Ericsson demo'd God of War and Little Big Planet from the PSP on the phone already - so we will most likely see some ports of existing PSP games appear in the Playstation Pocket app.
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do you have a link to that? that would be really interesting to read/watch
as for the OP, i said to my self long before i got this phone was confirmed that if any manufacturer made a android phone with a slide out gamepad i would buy it even if it had zero games at launch or the foreseeable future
why would i buy such a device? emulators and thousands of roms that come with them plus the android games, the icing on the cake will be PS suite, possible PSP games in the future would be further icing
im not sure what you want out of this phone but maybe this has helped you in some way

There IS a emu for psp on pc called jpcsp which is java develop

I only remember it from some page where they said they demo'ed GOW and LBP's PSP counterparts on the Play. I think it was from the TGS, but I could be wrong.
I know of the emulator, but from what I heard, it performs very poorly. I don't think it's realistic to expect it to work on the phone in any usable form. The PSP Hardware is pretty close to the PS2, and you need a 2Ghz dual core Processor on a PC to get any joy out of it's emulator, which is not programmed in Java (and thus faster in general)

Meister_Li said:
I only remember it from some page where they said they demo'ed GOW and LBP's PSP counterparts on the Play. I think it was from the TGS, but I could be wrong.
I know of the emulator, but from what I heard, it performs very poorly. I don't think it's realistic to expect it to work on the phone in any usable form. The PSP Hardware is pretty close to the PS2, and you need a 2Ghz dual core Processor on a PC to get any joy out of it's emulator, which is not programmed in Java (and thus faster in general)
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There is no way that Hardware from 2-3 years of the PSP is better then 1GHZ CPU and the Graphics card i find it weird if so...
and Android is not all Java there is NDK which is Native C++ OpenGL 2.1

TDMaster said:
There is no way that Hardware from 2-3 years of the PSP is better then 1GHZ CPU and the Graphics card i find it weird if so...
and Android is not all Java there is NDK which is Native C++ OpenGL 2.1
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I think you misunderstand how Emulators work. They emulate - as the name implies - the hardware of another system by software. That means, you need a TON more resources to emulate the hardware of the other System. Usually, that means you need to jump at least two generations ahead to make it work.
Some examples:
A GBA has 66 Mhz. To Emulate it back in the day properly, you needed about 800Mhz to do it.
The PS2 has a 300 Mhz CPU and 147 Mhz GPU. To make it run on today's computers via emulation, you need a 2.5 Ghz Dual core. And even that isn't very smooth in some games.
Ontop of that, the Emulator you're refering to is coded in Java, which means it'll be easy to port, but eat EVEN MORE resources due to the unspecialised code.

[DISCUSS] PSP Games?

Does anyone think/know if it will ever be possible to play PSP games on this device? It is much more powerful than the PSP, and has the same buttons, so i was thinking if it would be possible. I know it would require some emulation, and that's not easy
But what do you think? One day maybe..?

I can see games like patapon, loco roco being ported over easily. psp emulation on the phone prob will never happen but sony could recode games from the psp to the xperia play.

Krislawl said:
I can see games like patapon, loco roco being ported over easily. psp emulation on the phone prob will never happen but sony could recode games from the psp to the xperia play.
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I do think this is a possibility, and I can see that games in this format would suit the platform very well, although it would be nice for some more "hardcore" games to be ported

McGinty13 said:
I do think this is a possibility, and I can see that games in this format would suit the platform very well, although it would be nice for some more "hardcore" games to be ported
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I think Leisure Suit Larry will be as close to 'hardcore' as you'll get!

That would be quite to my likings
Wouldn't mind them making san andreas stories for the xperia play or something. But would be more then happy with a vice city stories port.

I doubt it. PSP is pretty powerful, dual 333 MHz processors. MIPS architecture (Play uses ARM IIRC)

if sony bother to recode some PSP games to run natively on the play, there is a possibility
only time will tell

NeoTechni said:
I doubt it. PSP is pretty powerful, dual 333 MHz processors. MIPS architecture (Play uses ARM IIRC)
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i'm pretty sure it's a single core

Krislawl said:
i'm pretty sure it's a single core
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it is. but it has the media engine too (which seems to be, in essence, another cpu)
it'll be more likely to see a "wine" kinda thing, from the psp os to android, than emulation.

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i'm pretty sure it's a single core
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It isnt. We've known it has 2, 333 MHz processors since before it was launched
And as someone who has developed for PSP, I know this personally.

PSP games on the Xperia Play.

I was wondering if it wil be possible to run PSP games on this device.
I should be getting it next week. The other games sound great but I'm really looking into playing MHP3rd (great game if you don't know it)
I understand there is no current way to play PSP games but, is anyone working on it?
Thanks in advance!

If you bought this phone thinking of playing PSP games, you better return it. There is no way that this hardware, or the next couple of generations, can emulate PSP.
From N64 below though... It's fair game

What he said. If your talking about emulating psp on the xperia play then thats impossible, even on the most powerful smartphones it would be impossible. (well maybe not impossible but definitely very very very slow, just look at the DS emulator)

A PSP emulator would be very slow, yet the Dreamcast emulator still in development ran the entire Shenmue introduction at 102% speed on the Galaxy S II? Is the PSP really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast?

Selim873 said:
A PSP emulator would be very slow, yet the Dreamcast emulator still in development ran the entire Shenmue introduction at 102% speed on the Galaxy S II? Is the PSP really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast?
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The psp is so powerful that if I were to post it's specs, there is a 3.14% chance this entire site can implode.
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You're talking about a dual core device with 333 mhz which takes a nice 2.5 GHz with 4 GB Ram to run its most well known emulator properly. It's true that Java programs like Jpcsp need more oomph than programs in other languages like C, but emulating PSP is a daunting task, unfeasible by today's state of the art mobile hardware.
Contrast the single core, 200 mhz processor in Sega's console. its emulators run with less specs than PSP emulators, and it is very plausible that the Xplay won't boot but the simplest of games, not unlike today when slower phones can only run Mario 64 without sound.

Wait, there's a DreamCast Emulator on the way??? Holy moly that is going to be amazing, will the Xperia run it alright?

PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.

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Wait, there's a DreamCast Emulator on the way??? Holy moly that is going to be amazing, will the Xperia run it alright?
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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/

bubblegumballoon said:
It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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I wonder if it's actually using both cores though, if it isn't I'm sure a OCed XP has a shot at emulating it.
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Just one thing about the title of the thread...
"PSP games on the Xperia Play." ----> Statement.
"PSP games on the Xperia Play?" ----> Question.
If you are gonna ask something, use a question, ok? Thanks.

Clienterror said:
I wonder if it's actually using both cores though, if it isn't I'm sure a OCed XP has a shot at emulating it.
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Its a port of the pc emulator NullDC which only uses one core, Its very unlikely that the emulator uses both cores. (no emulators use both yet).

White_Pointer said:
PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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The XPlay is FAR more powerful than the PSP, the PSP had 64mb ram and a 333 mhz processor. So while that may not be enough of an exponential increase to do an emulator, ports would be very possible.
Just have to wait for the Suite to come out to see whats available. Too bad it feels like that won't happen anytime soon.

I'd say they are probably timing the launch of the PS Suite to coincide with the launch of the Vita. Just a hunch I have.

Ignorance is... bliss.

White_Pointer said:
PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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You have alot to learn my friend

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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.

Selim873 said:
I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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I think it will and power of our hardware with Android yesterday after almost 2 years, I turned on again the psp fat to give to my son and curiosity I put the N64 emulator super mario64 and are appalled by slow and he was without sound emulation, with which even if it was activated was unplayable ....... I mean that today's technology and the very top and specifically to emulate the PSP on and Android difficult but not impossible;-)

Selim873 said:
I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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Thats fair enough but the wii has a much much much more powerfull gpu than the play meaning it only needs a percentage of the memory/processing power to display much more complex graphics. Plus consoles have dedicated graphics, the play dosent.
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I see a lot of people mentioning clock speed in emulation arguments. What you have to remember is that clock speed is only relevant when your comparing two CPU of similar architecture. A dual core Pentium IIII clocked at 3.9 Ghz is not even AS fast as a core 2 duo clocked at say 3.0. A better architecture means better performance, and while gaming consoles don't always have a high clock speed, they usually have tightly integrated designs with efficient architectures.
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An intel atom is usable in 2022?

Here's a question.
Can i use an intel atom for basic tasks and old games??
I'm gonna read your replies.

Here's the specs:
Intel atom N450 1.66Ghz.
2gb of ram 667Mhz.
160gb 5400 RPM WD blue hard drive (I'm gonna replace it with an 120gb ssd because is failing)

I want to use as a Quake 3 arena pc too

Here's a capture of the barely working windows 7 ultimate installation

El dallas said:
I want to use as a Quake 3 arena pc too
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From looking at random videos online, it could (hopefully) run Quake 3 Arena at around 40fps on Medium. I don't know if it could run many other games, though. The best I can see it doing is emulation of old consoles like N64, and very simple games from the 90s-2000s.

My suggestion: Stay away from consumer oriented versions of Windows. Use Enterprise if you can. I use Enterprise 2021 LTSC on my gaming PC; it comes with none of the bloat that the consumer versions do.
The performance of your rig depends heavily on the GPU, but the Atom is not intended as a desktop/gaming chip. I wouldn't expect much.

Honkette1738 said:
From looking at random videos online, it could (hopefully) run Quake 3 Arena at around 40fps on Medium. I don't know if it could run many other games, though. The best I can see it doing is emulation of old consoles like N64, and very simple games from the 90s-2000s.
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At the very least

Honkette1738 said:
From looking at random videos online, it could (hopefully) run Quake 3 Arena at around 40fps on Medium. I don't know if it could run many other games, though. The best I can see it doing is emulation of old consoles like N64, and very simple games from the 90s-2000s.
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Quake 3 runs great