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Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html

UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).

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Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).
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Best comment ever!!!!

UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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They're suing HTC because HTC became owners of S3 Graphics and Apple infringes on S3's patents. It's a preemptive strike to force HTC into settlement.
It's sort of a test the waters thing....Notice the timing. If they win, great! Because they get to snuff HTC out for a bit in the U.S until the appeals go to court. This could block HTC from getting phones into the U.S when the rumored iPhone 4S/iPhone 5 is released. If they lose, they can keep trying and tying HTC up...it is likely HTC WILL settle and some deal will be made so Apple is 'safe' using the S3 patents and HTC is safe using the Apple patents.
I'm sure on some level Apple is threatened by HTCs growth, I mean they have truly boomed big time in terms of sales and sheer proliferation of devices. There's not 1, but several HTC devices on every carrier and now they are making tablets too. The price of being popular is becoming a blip on Apple's suedar.
Google isn't liable for any of these lawsuits because they don't make a device and they don't sell Android. Any problem with the licensing falls to manuf. primarily who sell devices with Android on them. Microsoft is also going after device manuf. which use Android because it also owns patents that Android 'infringes' on. Don't get me wrong, they CAN go after Google but it would be a long drawn out mess that wouldn't benefit them in the least. It is better to go after the smaller guys who are likely to settle in the form of royalties or cross-patents with snazzy patents they may own themselves.
In the end, it's just business. It's deceptive, sneaky and ugly, but it's business.

Bottom line, Apple's feeling the heat & very threatened .

Pathetic....

Samsung vs. Apple vs. Innovation

Well, things are not looking very good for Samsung right at the moment. A judge in Germany has declared that until this whole IP lawsuit by Apple is settled, Samsung cannot sell their new Galaxy Tab 10.1 anywhere in the EU except for the Netherlands. A similar ruling in Australia previously blocked sales down under as well.
Many pundits are saying they expect this to be the first falling rocks of a judicial landslide in Apple's favor that will savage Samsung's reputation as a rising player in the mobile space and force them to either withdraw most of the Galaxy line of products from sale or pay a massive sum to Apple...or possibly both.
This decision and the mindset behind it pisses me off. Remember that a lie unchallenged becomes the truth, and may then be used to support further lies. The lies that have become truth amongst the digital intelligentsia due to being unchallenged (or at least by having the challenges shouted down too often) are that "Apple invented the GUI" (not true, that was Xerox), that "Apple invented the Smartphone" (not true, that was probably Palm with the Treo or Nokia) and that "Apple invented using Apps" (not true, I had some great Apps on my PocketPC and my Treo both, only they were still called Programs). You can read those same fables almost every day, with the word "invented" being used in place of the more honest terms "popularized" or "helped develop", on almost all tech blogs and newspapers on the net.
Those fables are now being used to support the far broader fable that "Apple invented mobile computing" which to a degree was upheld by this German judge when he supported Apple's claim that any flat rectangle with a large touch screen is essential stolen from Cupertino. This sort of thinking, for all kinds of reasons, is just plain wrong.
So at first I fumed...but then I thought it all through again, and saw that the worst case scenario may not be so bad after all, and that to a degree Samsung brought it on themselves. Are Galaxy products similar to Apple iOS devices? Sure, especially the TouchWiz GUI. Faced with a market that clearly loved the way the iPhone looked and operated, Samsung opted to give them a slightly tweaked version of what they loved rather then try to convince them to try something new. It is tough to blame them...look at Microsoft. All critics agreed that Windows Phone 7 was fresh and innovative and a good start that would improve rapidly...and consumers STILL stayed away in droves. MS is staying the course and betting that eventually WP7 will catch on, but that takes a company willing to burn an enormous amount of money and patience...which most companies just can't do the way that Redmond can.
Therefore Samsung pandered to the public's current tastes and may now pay the price for that....but we as users may see something good come out of this.
Am I the only one that is bored to tears by the iOS interface? Can't we move beyond the minimalist Apple design concept that seems to inspire almost every phone and tablet available today? Perhaps if the courts side with Apple in this lawsuit, it will force Samsung and other tech companies to innovate again, to take risks on new form factors and different ways to present content and features, to go beyond the big rectangle with the large touchscreen and the app icons. If products are not allowed to look like an iPhone anymore, what WILL new products look like? I have no idea...and I like that.
People have spent a lot of time looking for an iPhone/iPad killer...but for a product to truly compete with those heavyweights it has to first of all be DIFFERENT from them. Experience has shown that if you try to beat Steve Jobs at his own game, you will lose and just be another snide jab in his next keynote. For a product to succeed it first has to stand out in both form and function. Win or lose, hopefully this lawsuit will make that clear to Samsung....or somebody.
EDIT: Here is an interesting note...Samsung is not alone in being a target for Apple's ire. They are also suing Motorola in Europe over the design of the Xoom. COuld a similar injunction be seen soon that will end Xoom sales in Europe? Read the details at http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motorola-in-europe.html

I will hope apple lose in their anti competitive behavior. If apple win this battle, there will be more ridiculous court case eg, Toshiba will sue apple for the 'look and feel' like a computer, IBM will sue cos having the word 'OS' , Ford will sue every car with four wheels, MS will sue any system for having a boot up screen... I want my galaxy tab 8.9 now!!!!
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don't wanna be a smartshitter but Ford didn't invent the car my friend^^
That was Mr Daimler from Germany who build the "first" car and Mr Benz who build the first "modern" car years before Ford...and who knows what these nasty germans will do^^
greetz

MasterJam882 said:
don't wanna be a smartshitter but Ford didn't invent the car my friend^^
That was Mr Benz from Germany...and who knows what these nasty germans will do^^
greetz
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True, but Ford spent a lot of time and newsprint saying that Ford invented the "mass produced" car, eventually dropping the mass produced part. Now if you ask people what the first car was, a sizable majority (especially in the US) will say the Model T Ford. Just like most people now would say that Apple invented the Tablet.

rschenck did you have a look at the actual community design in question? for me it looks like if this lawsuite is a win for apple, nobody else will be allowed to actually built tablets anymore... so i guess this will just hold back the tab 10.1 for a while on european market, but not stop samsung at all...
edit: and this has solely to do with the case design, nothing about the interface there...

rschenck, an excellent post about a very important subject. I agree that this could be a reason for Samsung and others to boost innovation and creativity.
In general, it seems just madness to me that a company like Apple is able to prevent others using similar form factor. I suppose the German judge is not to blame, he's just doing his job (well I didn't really check if he had a choice. I guess it's the ones that make the legislation who would need to be educated.
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Btw how likely is it that a person buying a phone accidentally gets a Samsung because he/she thinks it's an iPhone? Come on, tell me people aren't that stupid. Oh well, I guess there must be fair amount of those who can't read, shopping for smartphones. But still, there's the picture of an apple...
I wonder if Apple has thought of suing apple farmers for growing products that resemble their logo. Just think about it: the poor customer thinks he's getting an iPhone and when he gets home he finds out he bought a fruit.

FadeFx said:
rschenck did you have a look at the actual community design in question? for me it looks like if this lawsuite is a win for apple, nobody else will be allowed to actually built tablets anymore... so i guess this will just hold back the tab 10.1 for a while on european market, but not stop samsung at all...
edit: and this has solely to do with the case design, nothing about the interface there...
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I am not sure of your point in the first paragraph, but based on what I think you are saying I agree that if Apple wins all it is asking for, that other companies will need to look to radical new designs and Google may need to relax their hardware restrictions to a great degree to allow companies to compete.
The German decision just hinges on the form factor of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, but the GUI and TouchWiz interface play a big part in the overall legal argument.
Here is a good breakdown of the lawsuit and what Apple is claiming...http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/apple-sues-samsung-analysis/

Still a bit silly on apple, they think they own the form factor of a tablet. Just like Sony decided they own the invention of the TV screen. The 10.1 is nothing like the ipad, for a start it's 16:4 ratio whether other is 4:3, how on earth one can be mistaken a square for a rectangle. I hope the Beatles start suing apple for the name
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okpc said:
I hope the Beatles start suing apple for the name
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Been there done that....Jobs won.

Ok, I hope LG will sued apple for using 'touch' as an interface.
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See my edit above...Motorola joins the fray as well.

Last year I wanted to buy a new smartphone, and as an Apple fanboy I only thought about buying an iPhone. Unfortunately in my country when the iPhone 4 was launched it costed around €650 which was too expensive for my wallet. Then I met the Galaxy S, which was basically kind of an iPhone rip-off but was €250 cheaper. I bought the Galaxy S and today it's still my phone.
So yes, in the end, if the i9000 didn't exist I guess I would have probably ended up buying the iPhone, and Apple could easily argue that they lost at least one customer because the TouchWiz UI and overall design looks pretty much like the iPhone.
I know there's more people in the world like me, I know how many times non tech savvy people asked me if I had bought an iPhone when they saw my Samsung phone for the first time... so in the end we must admit that Apple has a point
The iPhone has a very strong product image among the consumer and Samsung capitalized on that!

Look at it like this, apple sucks! The mac is a pc! Windows stomped apple for years and still does. Jobs never could get it right. Microsoft wins because they have one, not many ideas. The pc was made to be universal, the outside can be anything you or I want it to be. Ios and android are nothing alike. All apple is concerns about is the fact people are tired of being told what they can do with the crapple they bought! That's why I switched. When jobs dies, see what happens! Apple will rape the ios trying to get back to the top! Can I use words instead of icons to open an app or display the weather, not on crapple! Can a maxi pad hook to a server to fix an issue, nope! It's an over sized ipod! Now samsung screwed themselves with the 10.1! Look at it, one cable that looks just like apples, one port, the damn cheap plastic, it wreaks of copy cat! Apple couldn't patent the use of "market" cause then the flea market and grocery market would eat their lunch! Apple is losing the war and they know it! All they are doing is slowing their eventual death! I say we invent a toy and call it the iplug! Of course as soon as apple hears it, they will sue. An apple with the letter I on top! Only problem apple is unaware that it's an adult toy! How pathetic would they look?
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@rschenk
Nice to take a break from flashing and bricking and then puffing and panting.........
Firstly,their TAB went on sale in India and Australia today I believe.
I reckon the biggest market for Samsung is all-Asia inclusive of big brother China where Apple will not be able to stop anything!In fact,Chinese stores started selling 'Hi-phone 5' today,for virtually a song.
Yes,where these firms make a mistake is the 'Me-too' attitude like you mentioned in the case of the GUI viz TOUCHWIZ in the case of Samsung and of course the form factor.
All said and done,it's 'dog eat dog' out there with android itself being under very severe attack from Apple/Microsoft.The biggest gainer eventually would be the customers with some real differentiating possibilities beyond the mere price of these expensive gadgets!
ps---really enjoyed your post!

i want to sue steve jobs because he looks like someone i know

Great thread ! i totally agree with you on this, I do like the Samsung android devices, BUT they do look a lot like the iphone, just like the MIUI rom (which im using lol)
It would be great if Samsung made massive changes to their devices, and something 10 x better than iOS which to be honest.... is nice..
Who knows whats going to happen, maybe its just bullying on a mass scale, Maybe its for the best... But no matter what happens, I will never own an iphone, I will go back to a nokia 6210 if i have too.
I dont rape iphone users, I havent got the balls (pun intended!) But for me, i hate apple, i hate the restrictions, the forcing of using itunes only. and all the other **** they make you do.
I want a phone that i can suit to my needs, and do what i want to it. And thats why i am an android user. Its not Samsung that i like.... its android, so as long as android continues... i couldnt give a **** !!

To be honest,
I love the quality of Samsung products, and this made me kinda fan-boy of them. Because their quality is superb. If there was a better company I would switch but there is not. (Depending on the device of course, canon makes better reflex camera, no doubt, just as example).
You can look at this as a step to the future because companies now might improve their product designs, but we are talking about tablets. What do you think tablets look like? I don't see tablets in a pyramid case... honestly, for me it is just a huge "what the f*ck".
Thumbs down for Apple and the Judge who is a complete retard.
Regards

There's why our xoom has the funny crap way of being used. Microsoft did it! Let's all mass email Microsoft and tell 'em we are switching to Mac and ios! See what happens to apple. I am sick of buying devices and being told I can't do what I want with it! Next they will stop selling printing paper cuz it's white and rectangled! Then there's the saying the alphabet....abcdefghjklmnopqrstuvxyz! Apple didn't invent crap! They stole most of everything they make! I say we start a petition to stop apple's lawsuits. Or we can file a class action against apple for being idiots! And another thing! Why do Mac's work with windows? Oh yeah apple's CPU sucked!!!!!
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Well, it's a company's job to make money to its shareholders. Can we really blame Apple alone for using methods like this? After all it seems that (legally) Apple has a case here so it's worth trying. Imo the question is should there be patent and IP laws that allow patenting a rectangular shape

Intelligent thinking. Very well written too. You deserve a pat on shoulder.

Steve Jobs Resigns as Apple CEO

Wow, big announcement.
http://allthingsd.com/20110824/steve-jobs-resigns-as-ceo-of-apple/#bXpulseX
And the reaction in the stock market:
Apple Stock Falls After Steve Jobs Announces Departure
http://allthingsd.com/20110824/apple-stock-falls-after-jobs-announcement/#bXpulseX
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Hope he is not too bad off. Maybe the apple was poisoned
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Hope he is not too bad off. Maybe the apple was poisoned
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lol
ill health though - bad times.

Cannot really say that I came as a surprise, considering his health problems. I just find it interesting, that he is doing it so close to the new Iphone 5 release. I already read the first Android Fanboy "He is just afraid, cause the new Crapple cannot compete with Android" and all that ****. Fanboys, you have to hate them, on either side.

They have too many smart people at Apple to fail. He'll still be affiliated with Apple so it's not that serious.

gqstatus0685 said:
They have too many smart people at Apple to fail. He'll still be affiliated with Apple so it's not that serious.
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I agree but it only takes one moron as a leasder to screw it up. I'm not saying Tim Cook will.
I am also surprised he made this move so close to the iPhone 5 launch he must be in much worse shape then he has let on.
I don't wish anything bad on anyone so lets hope he doesn't deteriorate any further.
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If Jobs were to leave--and with his health, it's when, not if--then this is the perfect time. He is at the peak of his success, and it's best to go out when you're on top.
It's good for the company as well. The iPhone5 will likely be another success, as will the eventual iPad3. These allow Cook to have an easy break-in period, not that he needs any. Impact on investor sentiment (company valuation) will be minimal.
Conceptually, I think Jobs has done all he can for Apple, even assuming he has another 5 years left in him. He has pioneered mobile computing, first with the iPhone, then with the iPad. These markets will take time to refine and mature, eg integration of desktop + mobile computing, and the next conceptual "big hit" won't be along for a while. For now, what's needed is execution, and Cook has been the operations guy for most of Jobs' second tenure. Apple can't do better even if Jobs were still in charge. And he still is, sort of. He's the chairman.
Apple won't be as dominant in mobile as it is today. The competition are getting better, and they have nowhere to go but up. Android already has more share in smartphones, and its open-source nature means adoption rate can only increase.
On tablets, price competition will drive non-iPad share. We saw an (extreme) example with the TouchPad fire sale. I see Android tabs selling well at the magic $300 mark. And unless Microsoft lays an egg with Win8, it'll still be the default upgrade path for the vast majority of the computing world as mobile becomes an extension of the desktop. I subscribe to that vision, that mobile devices can be as productive as desktops, not just for consuming media.

Many say that Cook is going to have an easy time to start off as Apple is at its peak right now....however, there is an important paradigm shift in Apple where they're trying to move iTunes to the cloud.
This is a tremendously difficult job and I thought Apple should have started on it long ago...now they are way behind Google in this aspect. And I don't see what they're proposing to be better than what Google is already offering to its user base.
Apple is going to have a tough time fighting back Android in the smart phone space if they don't do cloud right.

I'm no Apple FanBoy but Steve Jobs made Apple what it is today. I remember him dragging Apple out of the trash not too long ago. The man was genius.

And all of this is related to Xoom how?

dubie76 said:
And all of this is related to Xoom how?
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It's the general discussion forum, its major Tech related news, and its something to talk about?
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>however, there is an important paradigm shift in Apple where they're trying to move iTunes to the cloud.
Jobs' forte is in the physical product. His execution of online services was less than stellar, to wit, the defunct Mac.com and now MobileMe.com. His heavy-handed dealings with the various content owners only succeeded by dint of the success of Apple's hardware products. He's not a good negotiator--an "i" guy, not a "we" guy (excuse the pun).
The more pertinent question is how much of Apple's mystique is tied to Jobs' personality. Cook isn't a charismatic guy, nor is he a salesman. Then again, it's not like Jobs is dead. He's still around to rally the troops if needed.
For the near term, the way forward for Apple is clear: broadening its mobile product lines to compete in lower-priced tiers. Rumors of a cheaper iPhone abound, and despite what Jobs said, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple intros different iPad sizes (or integrate the iPod Touch into the iPad family) next year.
Plenty of opportunities for the Mac lines as well. MS is doing a crash course with Win8 into mobile because it has to, but Apple is going the same route. Lion has already taken the first step to integration with iOS.
>And all of this is related to Xoom how?
Relax, it's a worthwhile topic. It's not like this forum is overflowing with discussions that it can't handle a few extraneous threads.

without iPhone/iPad would we even have this discussion in the Xoom forum?
Some say the iWhatever really started the massive push into smartphones... and thus Android as something to compete on the same level

Lothaen said:
without iPhone/iPad would we even have this discussion in the Xoom forum?
Some say the iWhatever really started the massive push into smartphones... and thus Android as something to compete on the same level
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PalmOS and Blackberry (more Blackberry than Palm) started the massive push into smartphones. Even a year after the iPhone came out, I still heard "hit me up on BBM" more than "check out my iPhone" (that being the idiom of owning an iPhone at the time). I still hear people say "hit me up on BBM" and most of the active duty desk jockeys in the military are issued Blackberries. I know more people who own them than iPhones. So I refuse to give Apple credit for making smartphones popular. They were already popular, Apple just did it differently and they were given way too much credit for it.
I will give the evolution of tablets to Apple all day and night. The best we had in that area were a couple of failed projects from Microsoft about a decade ago and the dead technology known as "PDA". Then the iPad came out and made people want to stop sucking at making them. Had the iPad not been so ridiculously good and popular, the motivation to compete with it would never have existed and we would not have a Xoom.
So no, if Apple hadn't made the iPad, we would not be having this discussion on these Xoom forums and thus, the guy who made tablets popular stepping down from his chair on top of Apple land actually does matter to the Xoom. Logic FTW.
Personally, I'm happy that Steve Jobs is stepping down. I'm hoping that since his vehemence and enthusiasm toward selling the product is leaving the offices that Apple will cool down all these lawsuits. Perhaps attempt to compete more instead of "sue the guys doing better". Even if Android has overtaken iOS as the most used mobile OS, remember that Blackberry took it like a man when Apple did it to them.
Hope he gets better though. Even though I don't like the guy or his product whatsoever, wishing ill of people is just wrong.

Apple is going to rape Job's baby! They will put flash on all of their products!
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AbsolutZeroGI said:
PalmOS and Blackberry (more Blackberry than Palm) started the massive push into smartphones. Even a year after the iPhone came out, I still heard "hit me up on BBM" more than "check out my iPhone" (that being the idiom of owning an iPhone at the time). I still hear people say "hit me up on BBM" and most of the active duty desk jockeys in the military are issued Blackberries. I know more people who own them than iPhones. So I refuse to give Apple credit for making smartphones popular. They were already popular, Apple just did it differently and they were given way too much credit for it.
I will give the evolution of tablets to Apple all day and night. The best we had in that area were a couple of failed projects from Microsoft about a decade ago and the dead technology known as "PDA". Then the iPad came out and made people want to stop sucking at making them. Had the iPad not been so ridiculously good and popular, the motivation to compete with it would never have existed and we would not have a Xoom.
So no, if Apple hadn't made the iPad, we would not be having this discussion on these Xoom forums and thus, the guy who made tablets popular stepping down from his chair on top of Apple land actually does matter to the Xoom. Logic FTW.
Personally, I'm happy that Steve Jobs is stepping down. I'm hoping that since his vehemence and enthusiasm toward selling the product is leaving the offices that Apple will cool down all these lawsuits. Perhaps attempt to compete more instead of "sue the guys doing better". Even if Android has overtaken iOS as the most used mobile OS, remember that Blackberry took it like a man when Apple did it to them.
Hope he gets better though. Even though I don't like the guy or his product whatsoever, wishing ill of people is just wrong.
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Dude! Nice logical thinking! I have never liked Apple myself and never will. I'm Windows, not Mac... and I'm Android, not iOS. I do agree that Apple should not get any credit for "creating" the smartphone, if you will. The Blackberry name and RIM has been around for what... 10+ years now? I do believe that RIM is the winner there, not Apple. Blackberries were always on a higher tech level versus the basic phones or the later flip phones of their time before the iPhone came out. Why? Because a Blackberry is a business related phone that needs to do more than a basic phone, thus making it smarter than the average phone. Aha! A smartphone you say? Indeed!
You mentioned lawsuits... who remembers Apple suing the crap out of Microsoft in the 80's? Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were in a major war at the time for the big computer OS. Apple cried a lot and sued Microsoft a whole lot because they said that Windows was a Mac ripoff and that they had stolen everything that they had ever created... you know, normal Apple drama. Just look at Apple's roots... rotten to the core since the 1980's.
But, seriously... Apple has been this way since the dawn of time, and they will not ever change as long as Steve Jobs is still affiliated with the company name in some way, shape, or form. So, you can expect Apple to continue suing other companies because they think that they were the original company to create the cell phone, even though the cell phone has been around for how many years now? In reality, that's pretty much what they are stating as fact when it comes down to it. They say: Before the iPhone, there were no phones. How funny is that?
An interesting fact: "The first hand-held mobile phone was demonstrated by Dr. Martin Cooper of Motorola in 1973." He is the real mobile phone inventor. Thank him for the cell phone revolution, not Apple! Without him, we would not have any kind of cell phone to use at all. Think about that one while you sleep. A world without the cell phone. ^^
Oh yeah... I may not like Apple or Steve Jobs in the least bit, but you are correct when you say that you should not wish ill of one. That really is just wrong if a person were to do something like that.

Can't we all just agree that Al Gore invented the internet and move on?

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An interesting fact: "The first hand-held mobile phone was demonstrated by Dr. Martin Cooper of Motorola in 1973." He is the real mobile phone inventor. Thank him for the cell phone revolution, not Apple! Without him, we would not have any kind of cell phone to use at all. Think about that one while you sleep. A world without the cell phone. ^^
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and who pwns Moto?

Apple can go f.. itself

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/2051/20120609/what-samsung-galaxy-s3-users-will-miss.htm
"Apple has claimed that Samsung violated its patent for SIRI, the voice controlled assistant as it introduced "S-Voice" in its newest flagship phone Samsung Galaxy S3 and also infringed the automatic detection of certain types of data such as phone numbers, email addresses and hyperlinks as reported by The Inquirer."
Considering voice recognition has been around for over a decade if not closer to two, it's really one more pathetic attempt by Apple to control the market! I really hope they get some judges in there that have an understanding of technology!

Meh voice control is just a gimmick, not to mention you look like a ****ing retard talking to a machine.
So Apple can take it imo their users are just a bunch of left handed facerolling dribble-sheep anyway

Haha there is already a topic like this but yes they really can go f themselves. I dont think we are going to hear much about the case until tomorrow but im just praying that this phone does not get delayed/banned

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http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/2051/20120609/what-samsung-galaxy-s3-users-will-miss.htm
"Apple has claimed that Samsung violated its patent for SIRI, the voice controlled assistant as it introduced "S-Voice" in its newest flagship phone Samsung Galaxy S3 and also infringed the automatic detection of certain types of data such as phone numbers, email addresses and hyperlinks as reported by The Inquirer."
Considering voice recognition has been around for over a decade if not closer to two, it's really one more pathetic attempt by Apple to control the market! I really hope they get some judges in there that have an understanding of technology!
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Have you seen the new iphone design samsung should sue them for copying there round shape housing.. lolzz

I'm not gonna go into how bad the editorial but just gonna go ahead and say that Samsung still have time to show them the source code and prove that they didn't infringe anything. The final verdict isn't out yet
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The funny thing about source code, is that if the language is the same, the syntacs will be the same #main() is the same whether you a programing in windows, android or iOS. The proof is only in the comments not the code.
I could rebuild both Siri and the samsung voice system from ground up and there is a very real chance the code will look VERY similar. And when even the smallest program has hundreds of lines of code trying to prove this code or that is yours or theirs is very VERY hard. I personally think apple is trying to stop something that will decimate their iphone 5 before it's even out in market.

S-Voice is using Google's voice recognition API. Doubt Siri uses that.
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Well Apple is going at the Gnexus as well, but they haven't stopped the selling in the US, so why are they trying to ban the S3?
The same thing for HTC. Apple was/is trying to go after HTC for the second infringement from the OP. They are going after almost every HTC phone, but are only trying to ban the One Series and not the other phones that they are going after.
Apple is just trying to stop all of these new phone's that will put then to shame when they release the new iCrap 5 lol.

Interesting thread topic if anyone has produced the capabilities of a phone to do just that then Apple is more likely to lead the way .
jje

I'd rather Samsung pull S-Voice rather than risk delaying US shipments. They can add it back later as an update. S-Voice, like Siri, is a gimmick and a waste of time. Not worth going to the mat over.

JJEgan said:
Interesting thread topic if anyone has produced the capabilities of a phone to do just that then Apple is more likely to lead the way .
jje
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the people who want "just" a phone these days is so small a number, it don't make sense to even sell them anymore.
As for apple leading the way, doubt it.

tekhna said:
I'd rather Samsung pull S-Voice rather than risk delaying US shipments. They can add it back later as an update. S-Voice, like Siri, is a gimmick and a waste of time. Not worth going to the mat over.
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Right now, shutting apple down in any way is worth going to the mat over. Apple has to be stopped as they think they own everything.

So true, I think apple is really worried, if I was Samsung I would tell them to stop hassiling us or find someone else to make the amazing screens, they advertised the iPad3 with an amazing one of a kind screen but Samsung made the screen, all apple has every been doing is taking an idea, changing it a little and saying that they created it and ever since Steven jobs died they have run outta proper new things to do and iOS users are noticing that, all my iPhone friends want me to put android on there phone cause whenever apple updates something the system gets slower not faster and they hate the control apple has over them.
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slight22 said:
Right now, shutting apple down in any way is worth going to the mat over. Apple has to be stopped as they think they own everything.
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No, right now selling phones is Samsung's job. It's not a crusade, it's a business.

I think Apple is just being a sore-loser because Samsung topped Apple in sales. Svoice is not gonna work for me anyway because I am not a natural-born english-speaking person. lol.
Even if Apple is successful, I will not buy an iPhone anyway, I'll probably end up with another HTC like the EVO LTE. Screw Apple.

This thread is different from the other similar thread and I would like it to be open. I believe the purpose of this thread is to curse Apple. So here are my two cents:
Apples made up of money grubbing entrepreneurs who take gorilla glasses up their asses.
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tekhna said:
No, right now selling phones is Samsung's job. It's not a crusade, it's a business.
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No business is about making money. Apple has never been about business, Apple has always been a "crusade" against things. First it was IBM, then it was Microsoft, now it's everyone who has a product remotely similar to them. Apple's entire history has been "us VS them". Hell steve jobs even had bar "fights" where he would pit his teams against each other.
No this is a crusade to stop a [email protected] company from selling anymore products that they can try to control how you run your day to day online activities.
I don't know, can anyone else see the irony of Apple today from their "1984" super bowl commercial??
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This thread is different from the other similar thread and I would like it to be open. I believe the purpose of this thread is to curse Apple. So here are my two cents:
Apples made up of money grubbing entrepreneurs who take gorilla glasses up their
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Lets try and not get the thread closed for profanity

It would be nice if Samsung got so much money behind them that they could stop making parts for Apple, think 30 or 40% of the iphone 4 is made by Samsung.
There would be other companies out there...lg? who would step up but the change over would cripple Apple.
Always makes me laugh when Apple boys dis Samsung, if were not for them their phone would not even turn on.

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No business is about making money. Apple has never been about business, Apple has always been a "crusade" against things. First it was IBM, then it was Microsoft, now it's everyone who has a product remotely similar to them. Apple's entire history has been "us VS them". Hell steve jobs even had bar "fights" where he would pit his teams against each other.
No this is a crusade to stop a [email protected] company from selling anymore products that they can try to control how you run your day to day online activities.
I don't know, can anyone else see the irony of Apple today from their "1984" super bowl commercial??
Lets try and not get the thread closed for profanity
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The us vs them mentality is about making money. Apple will go after anyone that produces a product that could take sales away. Apple is all about business and their business is to make money at all costs.
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apple is the new anti technology, anti innovation, anti consumer company!!!
There OS is stale and they know it...this includes there computer OS, windows 8 rocks apples mountain lion. There going to be the old n out fashion, and believe it or not Microsoft and android will be new fashion.
Just a matter of time Apple will steal the live tiles from MSFT..find out in about an hour.

'Has Apple Really Ever Invented Anything?' video

For those of you who haven't seen the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=share

DeadSOL said:
For those of you who haven't seen the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=share
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Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.

Actually this video (as some of you would have probably already seen) would be more relevant: especially @4:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-KS2kfIr0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I remember that 1994 Steve Jobs interview when he basically admits he steals ideas, but that was when Apple were really struggling so didn't have investors and shareholders that would have shot him in the kneecaps if he said the same thing recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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caslca said:
Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
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American courts, American company.
Do you think Johnny Foreigner is ever gonna get a fair trial against a huge American company like Apple? I mean big business always funds election campaigns over there so companies like Apple have basically bought shares in USA plc.

caslca said:
Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
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The lawyers are horrible. It is easy to defend that. All they need is to get a hand on any documents that show Apple researching Windows OS because everyone knows everyone, including Apple researches other companies.

The recent Samsung documents telling the designers how the Galaxy S should differ from the iPhone are a real blow to the whole case, in my opinion. That's what has to stand the brunt of the attack now.
Also, one of Samsung's documents was rejected by the court. I think they brought it in too late. That's why they leaked it to the public. Ah, Samsung. What are you doing to yourselves?!

Has the whole world gone mad or just America? **** Apple. They will repeat history.. come and go.
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I hate this trial just as much as anyone, but Samsung made absolutely NO effort in differentiating their 1st gen Galaxy S (mainly i9000 model) from the iPhone. The first thought that came into my head when they revealed the phone was "why does it look like an iphone inside and out?" I know the needs to take down Goliath and all, but the first Galaxy S was just downright blatant mirror image of the iPhone...even down to the touchwiz icons and UI.
With that being said, the US patent system needs a complete overhaul to stop these frivolous suits and the Supreme Court needs to set precedence once and for all.

Todays consumer are smart. They know what they are buying. A small boy will differentiate sammy from apple. Grow up apple
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I hate this trial just as much as anyone, but Samsung made absolutely NO effort in differentiating their 1st gen Galaxy S
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Korean, japanese and russian companies all have the same principle: first copy a device, then optimize and extend it so much with the gained experience that it becomes superior to the original.
The Chinese unfortunately are not quite there yet - mainly due to lack of hightech but it won't be long.
I know the needs to take down Goliath and all, but the first Galaxy S was just downright blatant mirror image of the iPhone
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Sadly only from looks. It was sooooo sloooooow even though it's based on good hardware, mainly because Samsung decided to go with their RFS and other software issues.
For those of you who haven't seen the video
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The main problem with the video is that they exclude software, where Apple (partially more or less involuntarely since they base on FOSS software) has contributed lots of patches and extensions to existing standards and helped push new ones. Google's Chrome for instance would at least have had a much harder start if not for Apple's Safari and the resulting changes in the Webkit engine.

Apple has definitely made worthwhile contributions to the advancement of technology. For example they may have stolen the mouse from IBM but if they hadn't, IBM probably wouldn't have done anything with it.
These days however they are just plain being lame. Google should sue them for having web search in the safari browser. It's about the same level of idiocy as what Apple have dropped too.
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Apple has definitely made worthwhile contributions to the advancement of technology. For example they may have stolen the mouse from IBM but if they hadn't, IBM probably wouldn't have done anything with it.
These days however they are just plain being lame. Google should sue them for having web search in the safari browser. It's about the same level of idiocy as what Apple have dropped too.
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The universal search patent is especially retarded.

This has always been my bugbear with patent law. Nokia's recent sign up for ms means apple now have legal rights to all of Nokia's patents and are now using Nokia patents against Samsung and htc, and indirectly claiming them as apple's (which from a legal standpoint they are!). However, the simple solution would be to do what LG and Sony already do and that is pay the damned patent license. Yes it increases overall handset cost but not significantly.
It's sad when you consider the patents would have only added on about $5 to the cost of each handset. I doubt anyone would have said "oh man, the s3 is great, but its $5 bucks over my budget".
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andyl66 said:
Nokia's recent sign up for ms means apple now have legal rights to all of Nokia's patents and are now using Nokia patents against Samsung and htc, and indirectly claiming them as apple's (which from a legal standpoint they are!).
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Wrong. It may very well be the case that Apple are suing over technology that overlaps with others patents, but it should not be doing so because it does not have the right to sue over patents it has licensed from others. From a legal standpoint they are anything but Apple's patents.
Even Intellectual Property licensed with the explicit intention of allowing a third-party to sue over the IP, isn't valid for a suit (big case on that in recent years).
Licensing means I say "Okay you can use my spatula when you need it in exchange for your mother's bra". It doesn't mean if on some other occasion someone else has it you can scream "Thief!! That spatula doesn't belong to you, give it back!" At the end of the day it's still my spatula so I can still give it to whomever else I want, and if someone steals it, that's my concern not yours.
Same thing: the patents are still Nokia's. The absolute best Apple could do is pressure Nokia into suing. You cannot sue on someone else's behalf except in exceptional cases like the would-be plaintiff is under-age, or dead.

Well, whatever the case may be, we all know that Apple is a crap company and it's trying to threaten our beloved Android. I love the fact that Android is open-source. I love the fact that Android-based devices are popping up everywhere. Nikon has made an Android-based camera. Isn't it lovely when all your devices use the same software? Isn't it amazing that we can legally hack these devices and modify them? Thank you Google for being such a friendly company!

This section is for the discussion of the SGS3, not for apple nonsense.
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