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Hi i like this website
i have a question for the CPU on htc shift
is possible to change my intel GMA 950 CPU to the new Intel Aton??
the intel atom is very good for the shift. this can make the battery life for 2 hour to 4 hour.
800mhz to 1.6 ghz
thx
Hi, I like the question
Actually it made me laught so much I'm going to answer.
No, you cannot change the graphic chip for a new processor. You would have no screen displaying nice lines and windows.
If you mean changing the processor by an Atom, this is not possible at all.
About getting twice the battery time, I think atom CPU don't get this anyway, so you should better look for an extended battery.
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thaihugo said:
Hi, I like the question
Actually it made me laught so much I'm going to answer.
No, you cannot change the graphic chip for a new processor. You would have no screen displaying nice lines and windows.
If you mean changing the processor by an Atom, this is not possible at all.
About getting twice the battery time, I think atom CPU don't get this anyway, so you should better look for an extended battery.
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Bro, Intel GMA is NOT totally a Graphic Card, it is North Bridge Chipset that Control CPU, Video (PCIe or AGP), and RAM, but in this case most of Value Chipset Intel has an onboard Graphic Card
Some Notebook Value are having Graphic Card embedded in the NorthBridge Chipset, but performance Notebook do not have that, most of it are used NVidia or ATI as their VGA Card separated from NorthBridge Chipsets to gain more speed on Vector/Poygon/OpenGL/DirectX/etc
To learn more about intel 945GM, follow this link
http://www.intel.com/products/notebook/chipsets/945gm/945gm-overview.htm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=114012&stc=1&d=1221760371
Processor Upgrade are depend to NorthBridge Chipset Compatibility
North Brodge Chipset of our SHIFT are very compatible to new processor, but perhaps the BIOS should have to be rewrite OR NOT, to understand the multiply factor and front side bus of the new CPU
this is Sony UX 280 being upgrade to Core2Duo
http://micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4641
they said that the battery life got no change at all
but the process for upgrading the CPU is as complicated as HTC universal doing the RAM upgrade, except if the slot for the CPU is using ZIF (zero insertion force) like the one that we have in our desktop motherboard
hope somebody is DARE enough to do like those guys in MicroPCTalk
In my opinion, Chipset of SHIFT do have good compatibility because it was 945series, by theory it can achieve compatibility to CoreDuo, but depend on CPU formfactor
Speed for the Processor does not imply the battery life significantly, cause most of the mobile CPU is ULV (ultra low voltage), and have the Intel Speedstep technology, that can drop down the multiplier if not being used extensively
Atom 330
ok, the initial question was not very accurate, but let's try to stick back to the topic...
Does anybody knows if there is a chance to replace stock Shift CPU with new dual core Intel Atom 330?
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/20/dual-core-atom-chips-now-shipping-from-intel/
processors fit on sockets
BGA stands for the Ball Grid Array, cause this kind processor use soldered balls instead of pins to have a contact with the motherboard.
As i know the BGA CPU used on our shift is the Intel A110 Stealey 800Mhz with 663 BGA.
I'm searching for quite a while now, and i don't see something that fits 663...
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf
Ctrl+f opens find.
Type a110, and you will get the answer you want...
945GU Express chipset, was designed for a100 and a110 processors.
You have to dig deeper on this, i guess.
regards.
zebra.belka said:
ok, the initial question was not very accurate, but let's try to stick back to the topic...
Does anybody knows if there is a chance to replace stock Shift CPU with new dual core Intel Atom 330?
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/20/dual-core-atom-chips-now-shipping-from-intel/
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Almost certainly not I'm afraid. The chipset and bios likely don't support the Atom and probably never will.
In addition, it I don't think you'd see that much of an improvement in battery life even if it were possible. Look at the MSI Wind - it barely makes 2 hours on 3 cell battery.
Regards,
Dave
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Almost certainly not I'm afraid. The chipset and bios likely don't support the Atom and probably never will.
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Dave, am I right to say that our Shift got Atom A110 inside? So BIOS will probably get it, the only issue is to find something that would fit motherboard with 663 BGA.
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Dave, am I right to say that our Shift got Atom A110 inside? So BIOS will probably get it, the only issue is to find something that would fit motherboard with 663 BGA.
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No - the A110 Stealey processor is *not* an Atom
http://www.umpc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=7&Itemid=31
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They are based on quite different architectures which leads me to believe they would not be drop in compatible in the Shift.
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Dave
nobody saw that i guess ...
vulcan_gr said:
BGA stands for the Ball Grid Array, cause this kind processor use soldered balls instead of pins to have a contact with the motherboard.
As i know the BGA CPU used on our shift is the Intel A110 Stealey 800Mhz with 663 BGA.
I'm searching for quite a while now, and i don't see something that fits 663...
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf
Ctrl+f opens find.
Type a110, and you will get the answer you want...
945GU Express chipset, was designed for a100 and a110 processors.
You have to dig deeper on this, i guess.
regards.
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Talking about Atom install in the shift, is talking about fitting a 45nm processor, into a 90nm socket... it just wont fit...
Different structure. Different Philosophy.
The Stealy's are not even mentioned on intels web page...
They are called A100 and A110 and there was no more evolution on the 663 BGA.
The Atom processor has μFC-BGA 479 or 478 socket...
Smaller chip... newer technology.
{The good thing if you install an atom on your shift is that you will have a lot of spare balls
(and do not try to turn it on ... if you wana keep the rest of your remaining balls ... lol )
}
regards.
Why it has to be an Atom
Why ???
we have so much more option open here, IF you are dare enough to change the CPU
because this Intel 800MHz are very poor quality, perhaps we can look over to CoreDuo
batghost said:
Why ???
we have so much more option open here, IF you are dare enough to change the CPU
because this Intel 800MHz are very poor quality, perhaps we can look over to CoreDuo
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THERE IS NO OTHER PROCESSOR MADE IN 90nm TECHNOLOGY WITH 663 BGA (pins)
NOTHING ELSE FITS THE SHIFT ! ! !
The first thing to look when you want top change the processor is to see if it fits in ...
The intel A110 (Stealy) 800Mhz and A100 600Mhz are the ONLY ONES that fit in...
It's not the end of the world though ... there are still options... if you want more batery life ... go to 600Mhz.
Square peg, round hole comes to mind!
The guys here are good! But not THAT good...
It may be possible with a dedicated achitechture interface daughterboard but the speed loss using this method would negate any gains!
Anyone?
Sadly said that you are right
vulcan_gr said:
THERE IS NO OTHER PROCESSOR MADE IN 90nm TECHNOLOGY WITH 663 BGA (pins)
NOTHING ELSE FITS THE SHIFT ! ! !
The first thing to look when you want top change the processor is to see if it fits in ...
The intel A110 (Stealy) 800Mhz and A100 600Mhz are the ONLY ONES that fit in...
It's not the end of the world though ... there are still options... if you want more batery life ... go to 600Mhz.
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Good research bro, cause i have ux280p, and i thought that good story may came up to our shift, after doing the research, it is only 100 n 110 that support our shift because of the cpu formfactor, and now Intel is leaving us ... hiks, so i think that the only possible way to improve performance is only upgrading the ram,
Maybe one day there will be another 100series come to life, but i doubt it
To use a daughterboard, maybe possible, but then we have to build another zif slot, hmmm dangerous .... hiks
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if you can create room in the shift for that i''ll give you my car...
there is absolutelly no room in the device for such things...
it's not a desktop pc with an enormous tower...
vulcan_gr said:
if you can create room in the shift for that i''ll give you my car...
there is absolutelly no room in the device for such things...
it's not a desktop pc with an enormous tower...
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I was thinking on the lines of a pull-along kiddy-cart to carry the excess equipment in (THAT'S how serious I was thinking about it).
For the size, what it achieves and present tech vs cost, I am quite happy with what I have.
Coming from the Rokr E6(that came out in 2006) that has a intel PXA270 Rev7(v51) processor, a part from the built Ati graphic chip in the Qualcomm I am very dissapointed. I know the the processors are different but come on, The E6 was clocked at 312MHZ and could be boosted to 530MHZ and 624MHZ and was a single core processor. Today I got real excited because I found this app called nueCPL-ClockSpeed v1.3 thinking finally I will be able to this push Duel core Processor higher than a measley 528mhz.Sadly, come to find out the app limit to push the processor was only 528mhz. I posted a screen shot to show. Does anybody that knows the ins and outs of the Qualcomm MSM2700, know if it can be pushed higher than 528MHZ and would be so kind enough to list the apps that can do it.
After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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lol, you aren't the first person to express disappointment with qualcomm.
It's not a bad processor, but for our smartphones (which the average XDA member probably requires a lot of CPU power) it is a little weak. I think the average Joe with a stock WinMo phone would be fine with it, but I must admit I am underwhelmed.
I want Snapdragon in my next phone.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
gbajzelj said:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
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thank you for the link, it's not a bad processor but it's defiantly to weak to run WM, My phone freezes everyday which is freakin ridicouls I've never had this problem with my old phone which had a far less superior processor, then again my old phone ran linux and I'm using the original rom that came with the phone but still thats no excuse for having to reset my phone every day and even running the latest thigs to improve perfomance like advace config etc.....
Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
locomarco said:
Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
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The frequency IS 528MHz. Try the JBenchmark estimator if you don't believe nueClockControl:
http://www.jbenchmark.com/jbacepr.jsp Mine shows 515MHz estimated.
Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
Unfortunalety it's not working with X1 (stock german ROM). The phone freezes instantly when i confirm the Clock change to 768 MHz.
I was a little disappointed of the X1, when i tried to run Super Mario or Mario Kart on SNES Emu (not to mention Metal Slug 2 @ FinalBurn, it's even worse). I thought this would be working better with more than 500Mhz and 256mb RAM. I hate to play games without sound.
I wish it would be as good as a PSP at 222 MHz. Ok, PSP has only 480x272, but also it has only 32mb RAM and only 2mb RAM for GPU.
Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
dwizzy130 said:
Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
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ring-bearer said:
Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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Go for it! Tell him I got $20 in my pocket I'm ready to part with!
If someone could really develop a stable overclocking tool, i would pay for that too.
I'd like to buy a HD2, but without a contract(subscription) it costs over 650€ here in Germany.
Even with subscription it costs 220€ + 35€/Month for 2 years.
I can only dream of 1GHz Snapdragon and 4.3 inch screen
PS: I bought my Xperia for 280€ (with 8GB Micro SD) from Ebay in September.
The previous owner paid 720€ (without subscription) at release ...
PPS: Iphone 3GS 32GB is about 850€ without subscription, thats kind of weird
Damn.. I was rlle excited to see some people as frustrated as me with quads performance and were looking for ways to improve it but the fact nueOverclock just freezes is a letdown also. I hope someone can find the creator or another usefull method!! let the search begin!
Any info out there about this baby overclocked? Will standard overclocking tools work or does new software need to be devloped?
To overclock the cpu I think you'd need a custom kernel that allows it first. But if the bootloader is locked then custom kernels can't be flashed.
You won't have to worry about performance issues with tegra 2 for while though .
As if you needed to run Crysis on it?
Tough crowd this morning!
This site is here for getting the most out of devices. Rooting and removing bloatware increases performance. Customized ROMS increase perfomance and user experience. I merely asked about another tool for optimizing a device.
bee55 said:
To overclock the cpu I think you'd need a custom kernel that allows it first. But if the bootloader is locked then custom kernels can't be flashed.
You won't have to worry about performance issues with tegra 2 for while though .
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Haha,don't underestimate the people who hang out at XDA and other dev sites, we find ways to work these phones to the bone. I know for myself I will have probably 100 apps downloaded and installed in the first 24 hours, and will be testing its limits.
You have the best cpu in a phone ever and you want to over clock. Wow. Why?
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snapdragon was the best @ one time and most roms had overclock built in!
Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
Recon Freak said:
snapdragon was the best @ one time and most roms had overclock built in!
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Hence why he said 'at one time'.
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AllTheWay said:
Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
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Snapdragon is far from being the worst CPU, clock for clock. First of all, Snapdragon is not a CPU, is a SoC (System on a Chip), and the CPU core inside Snapdragon is called Scorpion. Scorpion is neither a standard ARM Cortex A8 nor A9 core unlike the CPU core inside the Hummingbird/TI OMAP/Nvidia Tegra. But it can be thought of as among the same class as Cortex A8 CPUs. The Scorpion has some big advantage over standard Cortex A8 core in some areas (e.g. floating point). The reason why many found the first generation (in Nexus One and HTC Desire) to be "slow" was that they look only at composite benchmark like Quadrant and/or 3D games. The first generation of Snapdragon has a rather dated GPU (Adreno 200) in it, and Adreno 200's 3D performance is honestly, bad. The second generation Snapdragon (Desire Z/G2, Desire HD) uses a much faster GPU, Adreno 205, making the Snapdragon 3D performance on par with Hummingbird and other current generation SoC.
So before you go again saying Snapdragon is the slowest "CPU", go do some reading, and think, before saying. Here is some good reading for you:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4144/...gra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/5
AllTheWay said:
Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
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if you blindly trust benchmarks the Scorpion CPU in the 2nd gen snapdragons are quite fast... my G2 benchmarks at...
Quadrant: 2,700ish
Linpack: 52.69
Sunspider:2,257
Neocore:57
infact, all of those benchmarks either match, or surpass the Atrix 4G.
No problems here with my snapdragon 1Ghz. linpacks constant 42+
Now that the phone is rooted can we use setCPU to underclock it so to save battery.
Or does setcpu not support dual core.
Also is what I said above true. if we have root we can underclock without putting custom kernels.
The nvidia tegra 2 kernel does not have a simple method to modify the CPU freq table. The dev working on the gtablet kernel would be a good resource to ask, his name is Pershoot. From my understanding he would have to backport the original ARM scaling which is not trivial in the least.
Maybe someone can figure out another way.
tsekh501 said:
As if you needed to run Crysis on it?
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Actually yeah, and who wouldn't? That's probably enough to get you instantly laid in some countries.
Arkasai said:
Actually yeah, and who wouldn't? That's probably enough to get you instantly laid in some countries.
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Serious bragging rights right there.
Guy 1: "Damnit, I just got Crysis 2, and I can't even run Crysis 1 on my computer."
Guy 2: "Yeah well I can run it on my cell phone...look."
Guy 1's Girlfriend: "Take me, now, Guy 2!."
You get the picture.
Sorry to go off-topic there. But I do have a question. Isn't the Tegra 2 ARM9 based? And there's nothing wrong with wanting to push a device to it's limits. Overclocking is fun.
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Haha,don't underestimate the people who hang out at XDA and other dev sites, we find ways to work these phones to the bone. I know for myself I will have probably 100 apps downloaded and installed in the first 24 hours, and will be testing its limits.
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lol same here. I have about 45 installed on my Galaxy Tab and all of them will be installed on the Atrix immediately and tested. I plan on testing every single game I can find on the market lol biggest being Dungeon Defenders for now...runs a bit slow on the Galaxy Tab and I've heard on Tegra2 it runs *GREAT*.
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You have the best cpu in a phone ever and you want to over clock. Wow. Why?
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Because you can make it better. Why settle for less? My captivate is fast and does everything I need it to do at 1ghz but I have it at 1.3 now; and under volted.
Why? Because it is better.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
Is there a simple way to backup all the apps installed on my phone so I can just dump them instantly into a new phone? Preferably without having to hit "install" for every app on the market.
wow, its a dual core processor and you want OC... ugh, get out... lol
Hi I was wondering if it was possible of overclocking the GPU in our phone.
Has anyone heard about this being possible or a project that is being worked on for this?
As I understand it, since the MSM8255 is a "system on a chip" design, when the CPU is overclocked, the GPU is as well.
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As I understand it, since the MSM8255 is a "system on a chip" design, when the CPU is overclocked, the GPU is as well.
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would there be anyway to simply oc gpu and not cpu?
Most probably not.
Once I did the analysis for Adreno 200 on MSM8250, you can look it up in Nexus One Android Development forum. I've explained in depth, why it isn't possible, as detailed as I could without disclosing the actual clock diagram. I believe the same applies to MSM8255 - though I didn't check to make sure.
Actually in the Desire HD forums, shaky153 said that you was working on a kernel to over clock the gpu of December 2011. He was able to over clock the gnu at 245 Mhz as stated in the beginning of the thread but it wouldn't stick and revert back to 192 Mhz. As of now he hasn't updated his process and is most likely abandoned and his account is a guest account. If he is able to over clock the gpu then it would be easily ported to the MyTouch 4G both being HTC and having the same processor
Judging, again, by the work I once did, the fact that he "thought" he overclocked the GPU doesn't mean a thing. If he executed a function that says "Set GPU clock as X", doesn't mean that GPU clock will be X. In fact, it might affect nothing at all.
To overclock a part of SoC, one needs to know the SoC clock diagram. SoC isn't PC, where each function is governed by its own controllable PLL, it's different.
I still think its odd that the Adreno 200 and 220 gpu can be overclocked but not the 205.
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I still think its odd that the Adreno 200 and 220 gpu can be overclocked but not the 205.
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220, being more advanced, most likely has more granularity in its clock divider. It figures from the frequency steps it can do.
200 can't be overclocked. Only together with the CPU.
205 is most likely in the same situation as 200. Not necessarily, but most likely.
Again, some things about clocking should be understood before talking about "overclocking". The clocks don't come from the sky, and this is not a PC.
Actually there is a thread on Overclocking the adreno 200 gpu on the htc desire from something like 96mhz to at least 200mhz which gave an enormous improvement. They were trying to get Fifa 12 to work. LINK: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698940f. And just because i ask doesn't mean i don't know. I know how to overclock PC gpu and know the difference between a PC and a Mobile device. And i definitely know that cores aren"t everything. Tegra 3 is never going to beat a Intel Core Duo just because it has more cores. And no poop, clocks don't come from the sky, that's common knowledge. THIS is XDA...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264960&page=35 and this is the Desire HD thread where it all started.
Arguing with Jack_R1 is a terrible idea. Just telling you now.
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Arguing with Jack_R1 is a terrible idea. Just telling you now.
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I actually like watching flame wars. Especially on the internet
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RoboWarriorSr said:
Actually there is a thread on Overclocking the adreno 200 gpu on the htc desire from something like 96mhz to at least 200mhz which gave an enormous improvement. They were trying to get Fifa 12 to work. LINK: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698940f. And just because i ask doesn't mean i don't know. I know how to overclock PC gpu and know the difference between a PC and a Mobile device. And i definitely know that cores aren"t everything. Tegra 3 is never going to beat a Intel Core Duo just because it has more cores. And no poop, clocks don't come from the sky, that's common knowledge. THIS is XDA...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264960&page=35 and this is the Desire HD thread where it all started.
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Look at the CPU frequency with overclocked GPU.
Then think, why the hell did they go that low in CPU freq.
Then you're welcome to dig into history and read my thread in N1 forums, dealing with GPU overclocking on QSD8250. If you have some brains, that will tell you why it didn't advance anywhere since 2010. Let me give you a hint: dividers aren't PLLs, and their capabilities are hard-coded and can't be changed to anything but their allowed values. But let me guess: that you write you know something doesn't mean you actually have a tiny bit of clue what you're talking about, and my previous sentence remains a black hole to you.
Now, as I said, I didn't look at the clock diagram of 8255, so I don't know whether the same limit remains here. If I'll have some free time and will be able to lay my hands on it, I'll have a look. But as I wrote in the old N1 thread: the likely answer is the one you're not going to like.
Having said that, since I'm tired of trying to explain how stuff REALLY works, I won't return to it unless I find the clock diagram and it will say something positive.
Thanks for that, Jack. Some people need a reality/ego check.
Jack_R1 said:
Look at the CPU frequency with overclocked GPU.
Then think, why the hell did they go that low in CPU freq.
Then you're welcome to dig into history and read my thread in N1 forums, dealing with GPU overclocking on QSD8250. If you have some brains, that will tell you why it didn't advance anywhere since 2010. Let me give you a hint: dividers aren't PLLs, and their capabilities are hard-coded and can't be changed to anything but their allowed values. But let me guess: that you write you know something doesn't mean you actually have a tiny bit of clue what you're talking about, and my previous sentence remains a black hole to you.
Now, as I said, I didn't look at the clock diagram of 8255, so I don't know whether the same limit remains here. If I'll have some free time and will be able to lay my hands on it, I'll have a look. But as I wrote in the old N1 thread: the likely answer is the one you're not going to like.
Having said that, since I'm tired of trying to explain how stuff REALLY works, I won't return to it unless I find the clock diagram and it will say something positive.
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I didn't really understand what you just said but I know robos ass just for kicked
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I'm probably sticking with this metal brick of a phone until it dies on me
Jack_R1 said:
I'm probably sticking with this metal brick of a phone until it dies on me
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Me too...I think. Lol
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WTF XOXO said:
@THEindian
How long have you owned the MT4G boy? check this thread out below:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1468698
Why do people always talk about things they don't understand? Do you understand that source to AMD Z460 for GB2.3.X may not ever be released? Only ICS driver and kernel support I think is WIP still. I haven't kept up with the upto date yet but ill look in to it now that I am back.
Sup @ invasion2, Jack_R1
Good 2 see you folks are still with us
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Over a year, invasion2 and jack know me
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I wasn't trying to be rude or anything let alone start a flame war if you thought I was I apologize and nor was I trying to disprove, knowing XDA, I just really wanted to get the ball rolling on this especially with that anonymous user ability to semi-clock. Anyway to check if the guy who posted that he was able to overclock the gpu is legit because pulling up his account come up with invalid or something.
For a side note, wasn't some xperia devices with adreno 205 gpu over clocked? if heard/read correctly, is it possible to use the similar method and overclock the desirehd gpu or are the frameworks getting in the way and what not so it wouldn't be possible. I would like to milk this device to its limit if possible.
UPDATE: Someone just overclocked the adreno 205 gpu on the desire hd here is the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264960&page=36 Beta testing seems to be in the works and for ICS.
RoboWarriorSr said:
UPDATE: Someone just overclocked the adreno 205 gpu on the desire hd here is the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1381426&page=2 Beta testing seems to be in the works and for ICS.
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That is a link to this thread.
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You mean this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264960
Look at the dates, and look at the end of the thread. "Just overclocked" 1/2 year ago, and no progress since then? Because the settings most probably never kicked in to begin with. Otherwise it would have already been done.
Or post a proper link...
hey guys i want to buy this phone but before i have some query
is zte blade is flash enable
is it comfortable with 600 mhz processor
i am having samsung galaxy y, and buying zte blade is a good deal
pls dont be brief
Yes you can flash it, it's sold totally unlocked. 600mhz works fine. The screen is much better than your Samsung, it's 480x800. They're good phones overall if you can buy one cheaply. I'd pick the blade over that samsung every time if they were the same price, or for a straight swap.
Some of the versions sold in India only have 256mb ram, the Dell version & European versions have 512mb.
wbaw said:
Yes you can flash it, it's sold totally unlocked. 600mhz works fine. The screen is much better than your Samsung, it's 480x800. They're good phones overall if you can buy one cheaply. I'd pick the blade over that samsung every time if they were the same price, or for a straight swap.
Some of the versions sold in India only have 256mb ram, the Dell version & European versions have 512mb.
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zte blade is flash enable mean can it play flv file
how much it price best buy
can it be upgrade to 2.2 without any problem
explodeaamir said:
zte blade is flash enable mean can it play flv file
how much it price best buy
can it be upgrade to 2.2 without any problem
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-The flash is ARMV6 phone, so no official flash player, there is a portage which work but not very good
-I don't know for the price, but in France there is new blade for ~70€
-There is an official 2.2, but dont use it, custom rom in 2.3 are much better, and there is some 4.0 rom in progrese ^^
Send from my awsome ZTE Blade!
explodeaamir said:
hey guys i want to buy this phone but before i have some query
is zte blade is flash enable
is it comfortable with 600 mhz processor
i am having samsung galaxy y, and buying zte blade is a good deal
pls dont be brief
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I would say to go for blade if choosing a low end phone.
Compared to galaxy y the screen resolution for blade would be the biggest upgrade. Can't believe qvga phones are still coming. I don't know if galaxy y has gpu. But maybe i guess performance of 830Mhz qvga phone might be better than that of 600MHz wvga phone.
And 600Mhz cpu for blade is just fine and along with adreno 200 it has decent video playback , gameplay.
Regarding browser flash on blade, it is not officially supported like any other armv6 phone. But there is hacked version of Flash player 11 for armv6. I don't have any issues with it. It works just fine for me regarding browser videos.
Check here for the best price...
http://www.mysmartprice.com/mobile/pricelist/android-mobile-price-list-in-india.html
I don't know about the RAM details of IDEA BLADE but the dell xcd 35 will mostly come with android 2.2 (= 512MB RAM) at the moment. Flashing a 2.3 rom like cm7 improves its performance markedly. The ics roms are not stable as now.
explodeaamir said:
zte blade is flash enable mean can it play flv file
how much it price best buy
can it be upgrade to 2.2 without any problem
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It can't play Flash, it's ARMv6 like your Samsung. No Flash, no Google Earth, no Firefox. It doesn't have a camera flash either & the picture/video capture quality is poor.
600mhz armv6 with adreno200 gpu, it can be overclocked, some phones go up to 748mhz, your results may vary.
It can be upgraded to CyanogenMod 7.2 (customised Android 2.3.7) & there are official 2.3.5 updates. CyanogenMod 9 should bring us Android 4, Ice Cream Sandwich, once they've fixed it.
It has a nice 480x800 3.5" screen. It's easy to flash a custom rom. It's officially supported by CyanogenMod. It should be a bit cheaper than your Samsung. If you get a network locked version then just flashing a custom rom or typing a free code in will unlock it.
Used phones are selling for around £60 on ebay in the UK, I don't know how much they are in India, compared to other phones. The Blade 2 has replaced it here.
The idea blade in India has just 256mb ram (about 190mb available), Chinese v880s & I think some phones sold in Russia are the same. The Dell xcd35 & any blade/libra/sanfrancisco/sapo a5/base lutea from Europe have 512mb ram (422mb available), it makes quite a big difference.
wbaw said:
It can't play Flash, it's ARMv6 like your Samsung. No Flash, no Google Earth, no Firefox. It doesn't have a camera flash either & the picture/video capture quality is poor.
600mhz armv6 with adreno200 gpu, it can be overclocked, some phones go up to 748mhz, your results may vary.
It can be upgraded to CyanogenMod 7.2 (customised Android 2.3.7) & there are official 2.3.5 updates. CyanogenMod 9 should bring us Android 4, Ice Cream Sandwich, once they've fixed it.
It has a nice 480x800 3.5" screen. It's easy to flash a custom rom. It's officially supported by CyanogenMod. It should be a bit cheaper than your Samsung. If you get a network locked version then just flashing a custom rom or typing a free code in will unlock it.
Used phones are selling for around £60 on ebay in the UK, I don't know how much they are in India, compared to other phones. The Blade 2 has replaced it here.
The idea blade in India has just 256mb ram (about 190mb available), Chinese v880s & I think some phones sold in Russia are the same. The Dell xcd35 & any blade/libra/sanfrancisco/sapo a5/base lutea from Europe have 512mb ram (422mb available), it makes quite a big difference.
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you people are saying that indian version of blade have 256 mb ram so can it supports cynogen and 4.0 and miui
and it having a adreno 200 gpu is it better than videocore iv (galaxy y gpu)
can it multiboot the rom
thanks
I have a 512mb ram blade & it's great. I've never used a 256mb ram blade, but some people say it's not really enough to run well, apps get killed more often, it can still run all the same roms. If you can get a 512mb version then do that, it'll be better, either a Dell xcd35 or a European import.
There are 2 different Indian versions of the Blade, the Idea Blade which is 256mb ram & the Dell xcd35 which is 512mb ram, both are sold in India. The amount of ram is the only real difference.
The Galaxy Y only has 384mb ram I think.
The main difference between Blade & Galaxy Y is going to be the screen, it's a good 480x800 screen, higher resolution than most other cheap Androids, like the Galaxy Y. So it's much better for web browsing, videos, or anything that needs a crisp sharp screen.
It can't multiboot roms, but it's easy to change roms.
The adreno200 gpu is quite good for a basic ARMv6 phone, it's the same gpu as used in the Nexus one & HTC Desire. Now we're overclocking it past 300mhz (stock gpu speed is 122.88mhz) it's pretty fast.
explodeaamir said:
you people are saying that indian version of blade have 256 mb ram so can it supports cynogen and 4.0 and miui
and it having a adreno 200 gpu is it better than videocore iv (galaxy y gpu)
can it multiboot the rom
thanks
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Xcd 35 is a, better deal but it costs 500 Rs extra but it should be your choice