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This is what I read on @samsungmobileus, isn't that also when they plan on updating the galaxy s to 2.2? Really am amazed that it has taken this long just for then to do anything about this, a fix should have been released a long time ago. While my gps is working now for the most part it still isn't up to part with my g1 sadly. My g1 will instantly lock onto nine to ten satellites in gps test, whereas my vibrant will see twelve and lock into four.
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There's already a thread about this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=753906
Since I reported the GPS issue to Orange, I have received 2 replacements. This afternoon I updated my SGS to latest JPA firmware and went out to test the GPS. Now I can confirm that the GPS issue cannot be fixed by any kind of software firmware update. I've tested JF1,JF3,JF7,JH3,JPM,JM1,JP3,JPA. I have used GOOGLE MAPS, NDRIVE,IGO MY WAY, COPILOT on all these firmwares. On the 3 SGS I have (an original one from contract upgrade and 2 replacements since I reported the GPS issue to Orange), with all types of firmwares, navigation softwares, none gives stable GPS navigation. There are always 2 issues:
1. accuracy. never stop showing me on a different street.
2. GPS LAG. showed me stay still while I was moving. When turning in a cross, always lag till I passed the cross.
I have contacted Samsung mobile UK to report the GPS performance on latest firmware. This time they have no excuse at all to avoid admitting the GPS problem.
I will also contact Orange for a solution. I will ask for a different phone. Hopefully they have Desire HD. Or I may consider cancelling the contract and leave Orange...
Anyone claims a great GPS improvement after JPA update, if you had poor performance before, please go test it fully, see if you have the same issue I had. If you do, you can join me ask a refund from your retailer.
UPDATE: Just now went out for a little walk, use my tracks to track my movement. Was very surprised! the JPO firmware gives a great improvement. check it here:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e...53.466879,-2.220461&spn=0.00213,0.006539&z=18
remember this is by walk and i can confirm this is pretty much the way I passed by. During the walk I stayed on the pavement. On Cavanagh Close I went from left side pavement to right side pavement, made a U turn and walked back to Lauderdale Crescent. Note that my end point was on Lauderdale Crescent,not Wilson St. This isn't perfect, but it's a great improvement! The accuracy is the only issue I'm concerned now. Also some reported after 10ish minutes navigation it would lose signal all the sudden. I can't confirm this coz my track only took around 5 mins. Need further test!
Has there been any revision when it comes to the gps hardware or do (should) all, even those straight out the factory now, i9000 have problems?
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Has there been any revision when it comes to the gps hardware or do (should) all, even those straight out the factory now, i9000 have problems?
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I cannot confirm this yet. All the 3 phones I have are made roughly Q1 2010, base on IMEI information check.
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I cannot confirm this yet. All the 3 phones I have are made roughly Q1 2010, base on IMEI information check.
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I have a serious question here about the GPS issue. I am really starting to think that this GPS issue is somthing that is being manipulated by specific "carriers" so that if you are a big GPS user you will us the "carrier specific" GPS app like TeleNav.
The reason I wonder this is because as I read the threads I see tht people with "unbranded" phones do not seem to have as much GPS issues as those with branded ones.
As I read the new froyo posts I see that those who have upgraded through Kies "officially" (and there by are unbranded) are reporting that GPS is locking onto 7 - 8 satelites in under 30 seconds and get a PERFECT positioning while those who have used the reg. hack method (and there by are branded) still report that the GPS is horrible.
I may be way off here and dont mean to sound all "conspiracy theory" or anything but this is just my 2 cents. What do you think?
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I have a serious question here about the GPS issue. I am really starting to think that this GPS issue is somthing that is being manipulated by specific "carriers" so that if you are a big GPS user you will us the "carrier specific" GPS app like TeleNav.
The reason I wonder this is because as I read the threads I see tht people with "unbranded" phones do not seem to have as much GPS issues as those with branded ones.
As I read the new froyo posts I see that those who have upgraded through Kies "officially" (and there by are unbranded) are reporting that GPS is locking onto 7 - 8 satelites in under 30 seconds and get a PERFECT positioning while those who have used the reg. hack method (and there by are branded) still report that the GPS is horrible.
I may be way off here and dont mean to sound all "conspiracy theory" or anything but this is just my 2 cents. What do you think?
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This is a complete guess on my part, but I would think the unbranded phones come off a different line then then branded phones.
Also, the folks reporting their GPS fixed might need to wait a few days to see if it still works. It's happened before where someone reports their GPS working after a flash, to later say it was broken again.
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I have a serious question here about the GPS issue. I am really starting to think that this GPS issue is somthing that is being manipulated by specific "carriers" so that if you are a big GPS user you will us the "carrier specific" GPS app like TeleNav.
The reason I wonder this is because as I read the threads I see tht people with "unbranded" phones do not seem to have as much GPS issues as those with branded ones.
As I read the new froyo posts I see that those who have upgraded through Kies "officially" (and there by are unbranded) are reporting that GPS is locking onto 7 - 8 satelites in under 30 seconds and get a PERFECT positioning while those who have used the reg. hack method (and there by are branded) still report that the GPS is horrible.
I may be way off here and dont mean to sound all "conspiracy theory" or anything but this is just my 2 cents. What do you think?
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all my 3 phones have no problem in finding satellites,they can find 7-8 satellites within 30 secs outdoor, only the accuracy is a big issue. also during navigation it seemed keep the lock very well, yet the navigation software actually lost signal and started repositioning, then reroute and ask me to turn around again and again.
branded and unbranded? My first 2 phones came without any network brand, no simlock, non branded firmware. I suppose they are unbranded? the final one came with simlock and orange official firmware. they all have the same issue. this means you theory is very doubtable.
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Also, the folks reporting their GPS fixed might need to wait a few days to see if it still works. It's happened before where someone reports their GPS working after a flash, to later say it was broken again.
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exactly.
Branded or unbranded, luckily I have had both. all the 3 phones have crappy GPS. I doubt that at early producing stage they didn't realise the GPS problem and kept producing for a coupla months, then they found out and made some changes durling later producing. this can explain my case because all the 3 phones are produced on first quarter 2010 (JAN-MAR), the latest ones would have no problem at all.
Its definatly not a crap gps broadcom supplied the chip but its up to the manufacturer to write the drivers. unfortunatly samsung has failed miserably.
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Its definatly not a crap gps broadcom supplied the chip but its up to the manufacturer to write the drivers. unfortunatly samsung has failed miserably.
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I didn't mean crap gps chip, I mean maybe the gps signal is poor due to some crappy design. or maybe you are right, samsung didn't write a proper driver. but i doubt this coz even a crappy little company could have worked out some solution after 6 months. still no luck means it's more than just driver issue.
This GPS thing is simply ridiculous. I can't believe Samsung could launch his top of the line phone with such a bug, and worse of all, I can't believe they haven't been able to solve it several months later.
People reporting the problem fixed with every firmware update, and people reporting the GPS working well when they haven't even tested it properly are also of no help whatsoever for the Galaxy S users and for themselves.
I think we should start complaining massively to Samsung since the phone is definately faulty. I think that'd be the only way we, Galaxy S users would get a properly working GPS.
You drive to slow!!
But you've experienced navigating with your cellphone on other phones before?
Cos i hear nothiong but bad from my nokia costumers about their gps reception and accuracy, ..
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You drive to slow!!
But you've experienced navigating with your cellphone on other phones before?
Cos i hear nothiong but bad from my nokia costumers about their gps reception and accuracy, ..
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My old Samsung Omnia GPS works perfectly. Actually I keep that phone on my car since my Galaxy S GPS is completely worthless and able to guide nothing.
Ah good then you must atleast admit that the sgs is way faster on the fix, and the accuracy, .. well, .. it wasn't that noticable on the tomtom, igo8, sygic and stuff available for the windows mobile 6.5.3 or less, right?
The omnia had hickups, for instance; tomtom placed you back about a 50 meter and jumped back again, that's not how navigational software should work.
Even after the omnia you knew that there was something wrong with samsung's idea how a gps should function, you needing to mod or translate the gps with gps-mod, gpsgate or gpsproxy.
So this is really a step forward!
Yeah, the Galaxy is faster at fixing but, accuracy?? As soon as I start moving the damn thing keeps pointing me all over the place. Teletransporting me from one street to the other. The Galaxy GPS is simply a useless joke.
The Omnia's GPS was far from perfect but at least it gets the job done. Maybe Tomtom didn't work properly, but all other navigation softwares I've teste do work properly. Now I use iGo and it guides me flawlessly, even into the city driving thru narrow streets. I WISH THE GALAXY S HAD A GPS AS UNPERFECT AS THE OMNIA!!!
I think it's just pathetic the way the SGS GPS performs, even compared with other presumably flawed GPS like the Omnia one. Wich makes the Galaxy even more pathetic since its GPS can't even compare to other below average old hardware.
Honestly, I don't get it. I don't understand peoplo who defend Samsung on this matter, unless either, they were lucky and got a better phone than those who complain, or unless the work for Samsung and don't dare telling things the way they are.
using google maps on x10 my gps was perfect, quick lock, great accuracy and would hold connection with satellites. x10 wouldn't hold 3g connection for me.which is more important than gps.
sgs doesn't seem to be able to hold its connection with satellites, that's my problem anyway. oh, and when it does hold it seems to "drift" slowly away from my location to other streets. as in car nav its pretty useless!
I'm on jm1 fw from o2, waiting for an update, either 2.2 or a later 2.1.
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You drive to slow!!
But you've experienced navigating with your cellphone on other phones before?
Cos i hear nothiong but bad from my nokia costumers about their gps reception and accuracy, ..
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all my 3 phones have no problem in finding satellites,they can find 7-8 satellites within 30 secs outdoor,.
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Big deal, that's not the issue, the phone still fails to find enough sats in-car or inside buildings and still keeps losing the lock and I've tried four of them now.
And please don't tell me thats normal, because it's not, my HTC Legend gets 10 locks in less then 30s, inside or outside and I don't lose them.
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Big deal, that's not the issue, the phone still fails to find enough sats in-car or inside buildings and still keeps losing the lock and I've tried four of them now.
And please don't tell me thats normal, because it's not, my HTC Legend gets 10 locks in less then 30s, inside or outside and I don't lose them.
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Mmmm, do you have read all the post or do you have stopped right here?
I've had my generic handset since march and can honestly say I have never had any issues whatsoever with gps, I use navigon software and it never skips a beat I've done tons of journeys near and far and I think its absolutely fine.
Over the past weeks I've also changed firmware a few times and currently iam using jpo froyo, the only issue I have had has been with the accuracy of the compass apps but since downloading"travel compass " its been ok.
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I have now installed the free maps from orange on my phone which is part of my plan (generic handset) and did around 60 miles on call out this morning and my gps was pefect as with the navigon software , i wonder if this problem is related to provider handsets and google software or there are lots of faulty handsets out there .
I ran mine side by side with my tom tom 530 this morning and while it wasnt as smooth it was just as accurate .
Im using jpo/jpp on orange uk. Flashed it last week. My gps is excellent locks on very quick and works well with google maps. Its the only software i have flashed that works well gps wise. Locks on quicker than my tom tom. Its a great improvement over the other 2.2 and 2.1 releases official and unofficial.
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This GPS thing is simply ridiculous. I can't believe Samsung could launch his top of the line phone with such a bug, and worse of all, I can't believe they haven't been able to solve it several months later.
People reporting the problem fixed with every firmware update, and people reporting the GPS working well when they haven't even tested it properly are also of no help whatsoever for the Galaxy S users and for themselves.
I think we should start complaining massively to Samsung since the phone is definately faulty. I think that'd be the only way we, Galaxy S users would get a properly working GPS.
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A GPS is supposed to give position and speed when moving, so to test it you'd need to log those two eh?
Some of us here (maybe more elsewhere) have reported their GPS as "Working Well" with track recorded to coroborate the statements. How the hell do you wan to argue with someone that puts the proof in front of your eyes? Are you so blinded by your "hatred" that you can't accept that some SGS might work perfectly well?
Come on now, if you'd realy want some "improvement" with your issue, you'd get some facts and compare them, surely there's a reason why some works and some don't. We need to find THIS reason instead of argueing pointlessly...
First Samsung said they were aware of the GPS issue and would try to fix it but after that they went quiet. A few people have had it confirmed that the problem is hardware-wise. The Nexus S was delayed due to hardware problem and now that it passed through the FCC again the phone has gotten a new set of bluetooth, WIFI and GPS antennas. http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/28/samsung-nexus-s-reappears-at-the-fcc-with-a-pair-of-new-antennas/
So pretty much assuming it is a hardware problem my question is: is it possible and would it help to change the GPS receiver antennae?
No issues with my antennas. I got the galaxy when it was first released and it locks 8 satellites in about 10 seconds.... Gps was not working well with the initial firmware but now on froyo its working fine.
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no issues with my antennas. I got the galaxy when it was first released and it locks 8 satellites in about 10 seconds.... Gps was not working well with the initial firmware but now on froyo its working fine.
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go drive for 2 hours and see what will happen...
I posterd about this yesterday and got told I was wrong because this proves nothing...I still think that it does prove the GPS can't be fixed...every body needs to start complaining at Samsung because they are getting a way with some thing that's been miss sold as working but its not...
You'll always have fanboys of <insert brand> that will say that a problem does not exist. Fact is that for many of us it doesn't matter what firmware or "fix" is used, our GPS either takes minutes to lock or doesn't look at all. Evidence that it's a hardware issue is quite overwhelming so that is why I'm wondering if swapping the antennae is possible?
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No issues with my antennas. I got the galaxy when it was first released and it locks 8 satellites in about 10 seconds.... Gps was not working well with the initial firmware but now on froyo its working fine.
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First of all, how does that help me figure out if it's possible to change the antennae? Secondly, I got it back when it was first released as well and the gps is both schizophrenic on eclair and froyo. Thirdly, just because you have it well does that mean it works well for everyone else? Thought not.
Thought i'd post these here. Others can post theres as well. If I get any answers I'll post those here also.
1. Are there plans to fix the gps issues on the epic? Or is it simply hardware related?
2. Why did samsung choose the rfs file system?
3. What is Samsung's corporate position on open-source software development?
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I have a question for you and other members. What exactly is the gps issue? Mine works perfectly on my epic on 2.1 and 2.2.1
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I have a question for you and other members. What exactly is the gps issue? Mine works perfectly on my epic on 2.1 and 2.2.1
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Some people have gps issues such as accuracy i believe. some don't
Oh ok thanx just curious because me and my wife both have the epic and both are fine.
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I have a problem where the gps doesn't lock at random. Usually a battery pull clears the problem. Accuracy is usually within 30 feet or so.
Rfs? It was the thing they had at the time. On new phones they are using ext4.
Supposedly 2.2.1 official on Monday will address GPS.... we will see... not sure the point of that Q&A at this time (the next few days) as we have yet to see what they listened to for the build they are dropping in a few days. I honestly think he wants our input on matters other than software/hardware complaints that are well known. I think that will be useful if everyone is contented with the 2.2.1 release, Its not a bad thing to have a suggestion box, IF the issues are addressed somewhat promptly...
I asked:
Does Samsung intend to address the hardware keyboard issue that causes the phone to miss keystrokes?
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one other question that I completely forgot.
Edit: strike that, just remembered.
Is Samsung going to offer firmware updates for the Camera which is available in the settings menu of the leaked 2.2 rom??
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I have a question for you and other members. What exactly is the gps issue? Mine works perfectly on my epic on 2.1 and 2.2.1
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Gps locks fine and quickly, but then loses lock after 5-15 minutes. You have to manually turn the gps on and off again to get it to re lock.
And I asked because it was supposed to be addressed in an update that came our months ago but still happens for a lot of us.
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Gps locks fine and quickly, but then loses lock after 5-15 minutes. You have to manually turn the gps on and off again to get it to re lock.
And I asked because it was supposed to be addressed in an update that came our months ago but still happens for a lot of us.
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Dont forget you cant lock GPS with wifi or 4g on.
Well there must be enough wrong with GPS for them to mention it as one of the main features of the udpate to happen monday... hopefully they will fix your issues, I have got my GPS to 2 meters on DK28, but actually have yet to leave it on for an extended period of time, dont really use Nav, I know my city from jobs... and dont really like leaving that on, Ive disabled it since they first came in phones... tinfoil hat and all...
HW Keyboard!!! If it does not improve, I will take it in for service. I got a replacement like Jan 3, for my OG that I had since launch week, and aside from the screen fail, my original never dropped keys... not that I can remember... it also seems to be getting worse, and since January I have not gotten that much faster at typing on it to make a difference that way... but I HOPE its software... else I may end up with another TEP claim.
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Dont forget you cant lock GPS with wifi or 4g on.
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I lock with wifi on.
My question is what is samsung's plans for future os updates for the epic?
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From the sound of it, Svetius at captivate says that xda will be filtering the questions before they go to Sammy.
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I can probably easily tell you how they will answer it or at least summarize it..
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1. Are there plans to fix the gps issues on the epic? Or is it simply hardware related?
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We are working hard to isolate and fix this issue..
2. Why did samsung choose the rfs file system?
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We chose RFS for its reliability (they made RFS themselves they are not going to say any bad about it)
3. What is Samsung's corporate position on open-source software development?
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Samsung is committed to open source
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Those will be your answers..in a fancier manner..
As for GPS locking , I lock just fine..I noticed Google Maps gets stuck here and there but if I use any other software there is no issue...
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I lock with wifi on.
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Generally not for long. Leave WiFi on for 2 days, without ever shutting it off. Then try getting a lock. Promise you won't be able to.
I've never had problems locking on to GPS
The problem that I share with many others is that the GPS will randomly stop connecting with satellites after 10-20 minutes of use. Sometimes a lot sooner than that. It'll reconnect after about 2 minutes, but its really annoying when you're using google nav.
I've tried using GPS status and I can see that it has a great signal, but it won't connect to a couple of sats at random times. Very buggy.
AFTER the update, if it happens, those with GPS issues should get an ALL GPS thread like the 2.2 one... it seems like a real clusterfuk as it stands, and theres no clear proof that its software, or a crappy GPS radio, and thats the end of the story. After the update, which claims to address GPS, those with GPS issues need to compare notes, and figure out as best as possible what is hardware limitation, what is software, what is user error. As stated above, other software besides google maps should be tried as well, in case there is something weird happening with that... I dont use GPS much, so I wonder why this issue keeps popping up so much, and people dont collaborate enough on solving the issue. After that best GPS fix ever thread popped up, I Odin'ed to DI18, and did all the steps, even considered going to DG27 or whatever to be extra retentive, but once I got all the way up to my rooted, rom'd setup, got 2 meters, or maybe 1... thats all I bothered with. I understand those that use their epics as a tom-tom need much higher standards of connectivity.... hopefully you wont be disappointed.
I hope so too. I work at several different locations and user the phone as nav. Gps locks fine, just loses lock soon enough, often at critical times...
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I used to have a vibrant, and while i had an early model, the gps really suked. after returning the phone the gps was marginal, it locked but had weak reception.
How is the facinate, i hear it had a competely different gps chip? how is the reception on gps test?
install aokp and it will be perfect.
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The gps in the fascinate is just as bad. I have tried every possible rom in this world and I cant get the phone to lock into any satellites and when it does it drops them whithin a couple of minutes.
This is not just me, google it and you will find dozens of fascinate owners with the same gps issues. My wife just got a rezound, hers lock into 11 or 12 sats whithin 5 secons while INDOORS!!!!
Given the other options in the market, I would not by a fascinate today. In fact, verizon is sending me a refurb fascinate that maybe will have a better gps radio.
My 2 cents
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The gps in the fascinate is just as bad. I have tried every possible rom in this world and I cant get the phone to lock into any satellites and when it does it drops them whithin a couple of minutes.
This is not just me, google it and you will find dozens of fascinate owners with the same gps issues. My wife just got a rezound, hers lock into 11 or 12 sats whithin 5 secons while INDOORS!!!!
Given the other options in the market, I would not by a fascinate today. In fact, verizon is sending me a refurb fascinate that maybe will have a better gps radio.
My 2 cents
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The stick fascinate had ****ty gps.. On mtd roms our super dev changed permissions for the chip. Now on all current mtd/aosp roms we get cry quick locks even indoors.
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No me, I tried miui, askp milestone, 25, 26, asop, ths... you name it. Nothing made a difference.
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The stick fascinate had ****ty gps.. On mtd roms our super dev changed permissions for the chip. Now on all current mtd/aosp roms we get cry quick locks even indoors.
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No me, I tried miui, askp milestone, 25, 26, asop, ths... you name it. Nothing made a difference.
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You are the minority, I'm thinking you have a hardware issue that you should take to Verizon
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You are the minority, I'm thinking you have a hardware issue that you should take to Verizon
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QFT. I used to have awful GPS and thought my hardware was bad until installing Glitch Kernel and AOKP. Instant locks and 12 satellites now.. I've had the satellite accuracy down to 6 feet. That's almost good enough for military grade munition strikes.
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Maybe i've never had an uber-super-rad-perfect GPS or something, but the GPS on my fascinate has always worked pretty well, I thought. The girlfriend and I have done a lot of Geocaching using the c:geo app and it's almost never let us down (save a handful of gps resets using gps status).
Perhaps you guys are right and I need to talk to V. Thanks for your opinions guys, i'll keep you posted.
While the gps was weak in the early days, I haven't had a problem with it since froyo. It locks usually within 15 seconds and nearly always within 30.
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try enyos espresso tweaks, they saved my gps
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Stock, Touchwiz ROM, MTD Rom has not made a difference for me. I get locked onto 11 0r 12 satellites within 20 seconds outdoors and 6 or 7 while indoors. I get an accuracy of about 6 ft.