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The Battle of the ROMs

With the surge of some ROMs for our devices, and though they're related between each other to a certain degree (save for CM7), the inevitable question surges: which one has the upper hand? The stock ROM is vastly improved since 1.06 and Ganjaman's add-ons make it more mature, the MoDaCo ROM has the advantage of having been the first modded ROM, CyanogenMod7, thanks to Apache14's work, has made a stellar appearance and we actually get the official updates (such as the ones that mad-murdock presented us yesterday), Corvus has been updating his new ROM quite rapidly and it works nicely, like Fuji-Vega does... We're lucky that we're not in want of possible choices! But which is yours?

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For me corvus. It's so quick and stable, and is the only one, where's my usb 3g huawei running. Did I told you, that it's really fast?
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I agree totally, corvus is so quick. I can't wait until it can be combined with mad murdoch's HC tweaks, the vega will be Ninja then!

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great idea for a thread. I'm considering starting a thread on a similar line, thought id check in and avoid toe treading and see if there is a need for it.
As a newb to vega android modding, its great that there is such a wealth of info and advice, but sometimes its not clear or comprehensive (at least in one place! )
I'd like to run a "what vega setup is best for me" thread. The aim being to allow users to show exactly what setup they are running, how it performs, pro's and cons, bugs etc.
By using a standard template, we can see what works and why. We can make direct comparisons between setups without searching through threads for hours.
Users can then copy setups and try if they think they like it. Might also provide devs useful concise feedback to help them progress roms / kernels etc.
If it already exists, feel free to point me in the right direction whilst mocking my newbe stupidity, but ive read and re read the main threads and can't see it.
If you're reading this and think it would be useful, let me know, with suggestions and i'll get the ball rolling.
I.A.O.
Edit: if you want to help or collaborate, pm me.

I'm not sure how setting up a "standard configuration" would be of benefit. Primarily because of two issues: first, the same custom ROM can have dramatic performance differences between one device and the other (I am a ROM tester for Galaxy S, people claim battery lives of 4 days which I've never heard about); and second, the point of Android is that it actually doesn't force any standardisation as of now: I don't see why users would tend to a certain set up which has been done by another person instead of experimenting themselves.
Don't take me wrong, I appreciate that you take interest in this thread, but I fail to see the point of your suggestion. Android has no predefined "set-ups" as far as I know.

Yeah, i get your point. For me too its all about modding and tweaking. But i also got the impression that some people just want to get there device configured in a way that works for them quickly.
Im certainly Not saying lets all set up the same, if we wanted that we'd just bite the apple right!
I just think it would be useful to see at a glance what is working for people. I.e - "i need a rom with no lag on my vega - ah looks like cm7 ttrc2 has lag issues", without having to read 178 pages to find out.
I guess it would be more like an "at a glance" guide to roms for each device.

I used Modaco since i got my Mobii/Vega, but yesterday i flashed clockwork recovery and started using Titanium backup for real, so now i am testing some ROMs and sofar i like fuji-vega the most, fast and smooth, only some lag in appmenu when i have the device rooted.

I spent a long time using mcr8 eventually with buzz kernel but I then got bored and tried cm7 which I loved but just could not stand all the lag when scrolling etc.
I am now using corvus which seems to work well for me. I hope to switch back to cm7 when it improves a bit.

I love CM7 on my phone and would love it on the Vega, but the wifi troubles it has at this moment on the Vega made me switch to first Modaco and than Corvus. The only bad thing I can say about Corvus is that I personally would prefer Gingerbread green icons aboive the blue ones in Corvus

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I used Modaco since i got my Mobii/Vega, but yesterday i flashed clockwork recovery and started using Titanium backup for real, so now i am testing some ROMs and sofar i like fuji-vega the most, fast and smooth, only some lag in appmenu when i have the device rooted.
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I am in a similar position to you. I have only installed Modaco R8 and not really used Titanium Backup nor Clockwork Recovery. I find R8 lags after extended use (requiring a reboot) so I am interesting in changing to Corvus. I have a few questions.
What is the best way to move from Modaco to Corvus?
Can I use Clockwork Recovery/Titanium to ease the pain of transition?
How do I install CWR?
Is it best to go back to stock and then install Corvus? If so, will I lose all of my customisations?
Thanks in anticipation of a response.

What is the best way to move from Modaco to Corvus?
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I would do a Ti Backup of everything, then a nandroid backup before flashing.
Can I use Clockwork Recovery/Titanium to ease the pain of transition?
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Definitely use both of these, pay for Ti Backup to enable auto batch stuff
How do I install CWR?
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Try THIS thread
Is it best to go back to stock and then install Corvus? If so, will I lose all of my customisations?
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You would want to wipe when doing an install of a different rom anyway, so you will lose settings, most will be restored by Ti Backup though.

> I would do a Ti Backup of everything, then a nandroid backup before flashing.
Sorry, how do I do that? I have Modaco R8 with Titanium Backup installed. How do I use Ti to "backup everything", what is a "nandroid backup", and how do I restore stuff after installing a new ROM?
Cheers.

you can find this information quite easily by searching
ti backup press menu>batch>backup all user apps and system data
Then after installing cwm (download zip open
cd /path/to/folder
./install.sh for mac and linux (make sure to downlod my fixed scripts second post)
or
click install.bat for windows
then click recovery app use volume buttons and power to select backup and restore)
wipe data instal rom
ti backup from market
menu>batch>restore all user apps and system data (modaco is similar to corvus so should be safe to restore everything if things start crashing repeat install and untick all apps that are already installed in ti backup)
there you go you have transitioned
sorry if this sounds patronising it sounded like you were a noob so i included great detail
p.s. this will all become second nature after a while

hmmm atm i'm using CM7, and after switching to launcher pro it's so fast !!
adw launcher is such a crappy launcher (sry, my opinion)
anyways, my flash is pretty laggy due to the unstable nightly builds, I mean they're not in the fully power.. but I will wait, <3 cyanogem
I wish we had the HC update soon, rly =(

Ive been using Fuji-Vega since april and applying updates when they become available.
Really happy with it and cant complain. Does what i need it to do.
Very quick to use.

Corvus5 for me right now. it's stable and fast as, with oc I have been using cm7 until a few days ago and will no doubt give the latest a shot before the weekends gone, it now has oc kernel

I can't use custom ROMs because nor CM neither Corvus doesn't let my Huawei e150 connect to internet. When I'll solve this problem CM'll my choice.

CM7 for me. I've tried a few but CM7 just feels/looks slicker.

Will there ever be a fully working honeycomb rom?
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Custom Roms

What else do we need to start getting some custom roms like CM7 and others like XxVirusxX. What is need to take an AOSP and build it for our Elocity? I recently got and Evo 4g rooted is same day, now running CM7 rom, tiamat kernel, viper undervolt Is it possible to get these to work on this elocity?

its possible to port components and features of other roms, or to compile other roms for the a7. i compiled a clockworkmod recovery that i have posted on my twitter and elsewhere than you can use to conveniently backup/switch/restore roms and data with, which will aid in additional roms being made accessible, as loading them (and recovering from them) will be more convenient.
also gotta good /device setup for the naz10 going for use in rom compiling. mebbe i'll post it up for others when i have it near complete.

How did you get the clockwork mod to flash? Also I'm assuming you finished the key mapping that hadn't been done?

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its possible to port components and features of other roms, or to compile other roms for the a7. i compiled a clockworkmod recovery that i have posted on my twitter and elsewhere than you can use to conveniently backup/switch/restore roms and data with, which will aid in additional roms being made accessible, as loading them (and recovering from them) will be more convenient.
also gotta good /device setup for the naz10 going for use in rom compiling. mebbe i'll post it up for others when i have it near complete.
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Is that why it has been so quiet in here haha
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smal you can't say it wouldn't be awesome to have half the stuff you have for evo for the elocity

rombold said:
smal you can't say it wouldn't be awesome to have half the stuff you have for evo for the elocity
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Oo of course, with out a doubt, Im just sitting back waiting for one of these great devs. Hopefully they got something good from the kernel Source
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i might throw my sifted kernel source up for dev types to browse thru. just the added and modified source from elocity, not the whole package, so one can see what elocity did. pretty sure i spotted changed accelerometer settings in the kernel source that could aid in correcting that issue on a kernel level possibly.
i'm still moving slow without adb access. either have some service or kernel reconfiguration to do for that one. too many fun things to do, not enough personal time to get em all done swiftly.
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Time will only tell and I got plenty of it

ayup, got the key mapping working with the latest clockworkmod recovery.
http://twitter.com/#!/bestialbub
it was confusing because it seems the newest version has a secondary back button. had to scratch my head a couple seconds until i figured to map it to the volume key and forget the key combinations for toggling display on and off.. tho power+search might toggle it (not really a useful feature of any concern).
oh, if you look at the devices existing keylayout, the volume or 'media_key' has the value of 213.
i left out instructions for flashing with apx on purpose. if you don't know how, you probably shouldn't, because i don't have a fix today for you if you break your device some how. i'll see about posting some complete apx backup scripts, along w/ a nvflash pack that doesn't have the added rom bloat + stock and my cwm recovery image. but that might be like in a week. i got that adb to work out, file permissions to finishing documenting for fun, and repacking the factory rom for cwm for fun.
nothing to exciting towards new features regular users will enjoy today, but something romheads/chefs/modders/themers will like to make software work and testing easier.

I Gotta get another male/male USB Wire, and I'll Be Watching out for Updated on This and Following you on Twitter no Also, Im Willing to try just as long as the directions are clear. Right Now im waiting on some HTC Sense 3.0 for the EVO. So im on XDA all Day haha
ROMBOLD: Check Your PM

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i'll see about posting some complete apx backup scripts, along w/ a nvflash pack that doesn't have the added rom bloat + stock and my cwm recovery image. but that might be like in a week.
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Awesome... <3

Either one would be awesome Amon ra or CWM recovery Wonder how much the tiamat kernels require to work for us?

cwm recovery is done and available for use. questions; leave at the link you download 'em from.
http://twitter.com/#!/bestialbub

i also have the factory rom repacked and install script made for use w/ cwm (and maybe factory) recovery. this should step up the ability for folks to mod and theme the existing roms. will post tomorrow, then mebbe post an nvflash/apx pack for backup/restore/recovery flashing before i get started on themeing to follow.

New to root and overwhelmed with choices-please help

I finally decided to root my g2 but I'm quickly becoming overwhelmed with all the possible choices and information. This is what I'm looking for and hopefully somebody can tell me the simplest way to achieve it.
I want good gps and working Google talking navigation.
I need working wifi calling.
I want to safely over clock.
I am not overly concerned with appearance, i just want something that works well with no bugs. I've been using cm7 nightly on my nook color and I'm happy with it, but does cm play nice with gps now? I've read several threads about other roms and that's why I'm stuck. I really don't want to have to experiment with a dozen different setups. Thank you ahead of time!

Most ROMs in the dev section provide all 3 of those. Any custom ROM allows overclocking, nearly all provide WiFi calling (or you can add it later), and gapps provides your navigation/gps functionality.
You can read before installing whether or not there are known bugs (some AOSP ROMs have GPS issues), and then troubleshoot afterwards if you have issues.
Just be sure to back up with ROM manager before you flash, and you can always go back to the previous setup if you're unhappy with the way your chosen ROM performs for you.

I'd recommend the ROM in my signature to meet all of the needs you mentioned. It's fast, reliable, and has incredible support... essentially it's a moderately modded version of CM7.
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Be sure to follow the wiki for rooting its flawless.
As for rom choice I always, always end up back on CM7. Nothing beats its out of the box functionality and stability.
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I've used Virtuos Sense 2.0.0 and now I'm on InsertCoin Sense 2.1+3.0. Both are great and should fit your needs.
Basically, once you root your phone changing ROMs is easy so you can try different ones and see which you like best.

Thanks for the replies so far. If I get anything wrong or mistaken, please jump in and correct me:
From what I've read, I don't think I'd like any of the Miui-types, they seem more iPhone like than android and I really don't like the iphone.
CM7 is cm7, so it'd be the same on my G2 as my nook color, right? My NC has a built in overclock, I didn't have to add anything extra, is CM7 for the G2 the same?
I've read many threads about how good Virtuous is, but seems like just as many people say it's too resource intensive and slow. Comparing it to the stock Tmo 2.2 or 2.3, is it at least as good? Seems pointless to develop something if it's slower than stock. Is the Insertcoin just a variation of virtuous?
I'm intrigued by Dit's recommended rom, that may be my first choice to try.
I guess I'm really looking for a 1 stop shop, it took me a little while to get the market working on my NC. Do any of the mentioned rom's have everything from the start, or do I still need to add pieces (like gapps, or wifi calling) after installing the rom?
The other rom that has my interest is meXdroidMod, any opinions on it?

I've read many threads about how good Virtuous is, but seems like just as many people say it's too resource intensive and slow. Comparing it to the stock Tmo 2.2 or 2.3, is it at least as good? Seems pointless to develop something if it's slower than stock. Is the Insertcoin just a variation of virtuous?
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Virtuos Sense 2.0.0 is Sense 2.1, so it's not slower than stock (in fact it's faster, thanks to optimizations and Virtuos OC Daemon) and doesn't have any weird issues.
InsertCoin is developed by a different team and uses a different kernel (rmk), so I wouldn't call it a variation. It's also different in that it combines elements from Sense 2.1 and 3.0, while Virtuos ROMs are either full 2.1 or full 3.0.

i guess we all missed the main point here and is how to root lol heres the best guide for rooting your G2/Desire Z:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...sion#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD
about the ROMs if you like CM7 go ahead and try it for, its the same as the one you have on your nook, and yes you can overclock without adding anything
about gps on cm7 most people have had trouble with it, but you just need to try cause i really never had any problems

Yea wipe efs before flashing, it will eliminate a lot of common issues with gps and such. Superwipe + will wipe everything well. Don't forget to flash recovery and do a nandroid backup! Also to make the transition easier backup with titanium backup pro. I use virtuous glite btw it looks stock except with light overclock and it is solid. Virtouos basically took the stock rom removed a lot of the bloat and overclocked and pre-rooted it. Works great my only hiccup was I had to grab the swpye beta apk. Aside from that I just restored my apps and I was away.

kingston73 said:
Thanks for the replies so far. If I get anything wrong or mistaken, please jump in and correct me:
From what I've read, I don't think I'd like any of the Miui-types, they seem more iPhone like than android and I really don't like the iphone.
CM7 is cm7, so it'd be the same on my G2 as my nook color, right? My NC has a built in overclock, I didn't have to add anything extra, is CM7 for the G2 the same?
I've read many threads about how good Virtuous is, but seems like just as many people say it's too resource intensive and slow. Comparing it to the stock Tmo 2.2 or 2.3, is it at least as good? Seems pointless to develop something if it's slower than stock. Is the Insertcoin just a variation of virtuous?
I'm intrigued by Dit's recommended rom, that may be my first choice to try.
I guess I'm really looking for a 1 stop shop, it took me a little while to get the market working on my NC. Do any of the mentioned rom's have everything from the start, or do I still need to add pieces (like gapps, or wifi calling) after installing the rom?
The other rom that has my interest is meXdroidMod, any opinions on it?
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Gapps is embedded in the ILWT ROM, as is the EFS wipe tool, to help eliminate GPS issues (plus radio suggestions/info in the OP). Wifi Calling can also be added during ROM install. The OP gives all the info you could possibly need in his thread. Give it a thorough read... seems to cover all the things you've mentioned. And I've had nothing but best experience with it... been running it since nightly 186.

I've successfully rooted following the wiki, I was pretty nervous about screwing it up but everything went smoothly and exactly how it was written. I installed RomManager and flashed "clockworkmod recovery" and then clicked on "backup current rom" and it rebooted the phone and gave me several choices. I used the volume button to select "backup and restore" and selected that, and now it is showing me a screen with a top hat over an orange ring, it's just sitting there with no progress bars and no words. I was following the directions from this site:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...nandroid-backup-and-clockworkmod-rom-manager/
but it doesn't look like the screens on that site right now.
Is this supposed to happen, or did I somehow screw something up when I've barely gotten started?

You still need to flash a Recovery... you can do this through Rom Manager... but use version 3.0.2.4. Or, you could check out the Recovery in my signature. 4EXT Recovery... it's pretty wonderful. After you flash your chosen Recovery you will be able to make a NANDroid backup.
Misread your post. Yeah, you probably used the trackpad... sorry.
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Did you use the power button to select?Don't, use the trackpad

I thought clicking "flash clockworkmod recovery" was flashing a recovery? My big question is what do I do right now, as things seem locked up with just the hat/orange ring on the screen. It's been that way for about 5 minutes at least. Can I power off without hurting anything? And yes, I used power to select "backup/recover".

Press it again and then use the trackpad to scroll and select,that screen is like a screensaver so to speak.

Bombadier,
Many, many thanks to you, I was afraid I'd royally screwed up. If it wasn't for your help in my ADB thread I wouldn't have made it this far, many and much thanks!

No problems happy to of helped

Last question for the night, and sorry if this is a dumb newb question. Once a rom is flashed, what is the easiest, quickest way to reinstall all my old apps?

When you log into google your apps are synced,would recommend getting titanium backup though,a good app which can backup,restore apps,upload to dropbox,uninstall system apps very useful indeed

kingston73 said:
Last question for the night, and sorry if this is a dumb newb question. Once a rom is flashed, what is the easiest, quickest way to reinstall all my old apps?
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Before you flash a new ROM, download "Titanium Backup" off the market and use the Menu button to select Batch. Do a backup of all your apps and data (not system data), and when you flash a new ROM, reinstall Titanium, select Batch mode again, and restore all missing apps and data.

TWRP 2.0 (Update 3-8)..Release is soon

Hey guys just wanted to share this with you. I am working with Team Win to get a touch recovery on the A500. So far is still inop, but progress is bring made. We are gonna give another go tomorrow so wish us luck. Will keep you all posted.
Updates
1-5-12: So we are finding the using the tablet interface makes the recovery too large for our recovery partition. Team Win is probably going to have to build the recovery without an interface and then I will create a flashable zip that will flash the recovery as well as place a ui.zip on the external sdcard under twrp/theme(we can then just replace that ui.zip for different themes that come out, got a cool ICS one in mind already). The battery precentage is working but we are still working on the touch screen. New test build coming today and will have active logging enabled so that we can see more of what is happening, if touch is being recongnized but TWRP 2.0 is just not reacting to it. It's coming along though.
1-6-12: SO we got TWRP 2.0 up and running for the most part. Touch screen works and most all functions work. Get backup failures and is not sized properly but we are really, really close. Did install a rom and booted just fine. Release will be real soon, possible monday. Still have to get the resolution figured out as well, but what we have so far is very usable.
2-17.. So work on this has slowed way down due to dev on teamwin side has other projects that he is working on that is more important to him(which there is no problem with that, would just like to get this project completely going). But TWRP 2.0 has gone completely opensource. So just wondering if we can tackle this and get it up and running. We are on #twrp on freenode irc usually everyday M-F around 11am-1pm Mountain Time. If you are able and willing to help, please come and give us some fresh ideas.
3-8. Everything is working and is ready for release very soon. Some final testing and will be release. Data/media fixed and flexrom fixed. PLEASE HOLD!!
3-13. New features being added. We will have the ability to toggle back and forth between internal and external for backup location. Doing some code clean up and making sure all features are working properly. Have used it to install many roms/flashes and have yet to have any issues. It's coming along nicely. Huge thanks to Dees_Troy on TeamWin for his work on this. You da man!

I run TWRP 2.0 on my Evo 3D. Would love to see it on my A500. So much better then all the button presses to navigate through the recovery menu.

I would love to see TWRP 2.0 on the A500. I have it on my Sensation and think it is some of the absolute best development to come out of the Android development community recently. Best of luck guys.

Muahahaha. Can't wait!!!
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Updated OP with some status update.

I used a steam recovry on my captivate that was full touch and really liked it. I dont remember any sort of oddities to get it running. Maybe talk to one of them and see how they got theirs set up.

if i can make one request i sed it on my phone and it was awesome. One thing the when selecting ROMS the font is small and often hard to hit the right one

IIRC you need to have the "itsmagic" script run at boot. When I came to the A500 scene it was already figured out so I'm not 100% sure on what it was or what exactly it does but I would recommend looking in to it. I'm sure some more senior A500 developers could help with its purpose.

Sooooooo close!
Updated OP, she is almost ready!

That is looking sweet, I like that 2nd gui alot better than the first one. A lot cleaner. rstuckmaier brought up an important point, are you including the "Its Magic" script in the recovery. I thought that was needed to fix the checksum values.

I don't see where any of the new recoveries do anything with "itsmagic" during the install process. The new GPL complient does nothing with itsmagic. Nor do thors.

Here are some screens of the boot up screen and a ICS theme.

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Here are some screens of the boot up screen and a ICS theme.
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Great job!

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That is looking sweet, I like that 2nd gui alot better than the first one. A lot cleaner. rstuckmaier brought up an important point, are you including the "Its Magic" script in the recovery. I thought that was needed to fix the checksum values.
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Yeah the first shot we were running the phone layout, Second is a tab layout but not correct res. We should get it all figured out monday.

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Yeah the first shot we were running the phone layout, Second is a tab layout but not correct res. We should get it all figured out monday.
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I'm certain you'll post it up in the DEV sections as soon as it's ready for "prime time"!
Thanks again for your dedication and hard work!

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I'm certain you'll post it up in the DEV sections as soon as it's ready for "prime time"!
Thanks again for your dedication and hard work!
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Yes I will, no need to just have small talk about it in the DEV thread untill she is ready to Rock&Roll. I am hoping that this will breather new life into this thread and Iconia A500 communtiy. I know I have not done a whole lot, but plan on doing more. 1st-TWRP 2.0, 2nd- New Galaxy Rom.

pimpmaneaton said:
Yes I will, no need to just have small talk about it in the DEV thread untill she is ready to Rock&Roll. I am hoping that this will breather new life into this thread and Iconia A500 communtiy. I know I have not done a whole lot, but plan on doing more. 1st-TWRP 2.0, 2nd- New Galaxy Rom.
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We need a good new Galaxy ROM! Back when these tabs first came out, M-Deejay's Galaxy port was my favorite ROM. Of course that was back when I was flash crazed, and looking for a fit to my preferences. Can't wait for it!

pimpmaneaton said:
Yes I will, no need to just have small talk about it in the DEV thread untill she is ready to Rock&Roll. I am hoping that this will breather new life into this thread and Iconia A500 communtiy. I know I have not done a whole lot, but plan on doing more. 1st-TWRP 2.0, 2nd- New Galaxy Rom.
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Thanks for this. Read up on TWRP and it sounds and looks great. Definitely looking forward to your Galaxy offering.
Great job spear-heading these efforts. They are appreciated.

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I don't see where any of the new recoveries do anything with "itsmagic" during the install process. The new GPL complient does nothing with itsmagic. Nor do thors.
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"itsmagic" is needed to recalculate the ROM checksum for the encrypted bootloader, which is verified every time you boot. Either you need to execute it (and Thors DOES do that, just read the install instructions for his 1.6 V2 recovery), or you need to incorporate its code into your recovery.
If you flash a new rom without recalculating the checksum afterwards, the checksum verification will fail and you won't be able to boot, essentially bricking the device.

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"itsmagic" is needed to recalculate the ROM checksum for the encrypted bootloader, which is verified every time you boot. Either you need to execute it (and Thors DOES do that, just read the install instructions for his 1.6 V2 recovery), or you need to incorporate its code into your recovery.
If you flash a new rom without recalculating the checksum afterwards, the checksum verification will fail and you won't be able to boot, essentially bricking the device.
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If you manually install thors kernels then yes you do use itsmagic. But his flash script does not use it nor is it included in the flash zip either. I ensure you it will be tested thoroughly before its release. I have flashed virtuous galaxy with it and it booted fine.
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In post 2 there will be some really useful links so be sure to check them out.
In post 3 there'll be an FAQ which will help you out aswell ​

Useful Information & Links To Help You
XDA In General
First of all, I'm linking to some general XDA threads which can help you become more familiar with this site and how things run. I feel this is one thing which new users don't realize because they think it's okay to come to this site and post anywhere.
If you don't feel this applies to you, please move onto the Nexus 7 links further down this post.
XDA New User Guide - I can't stress enough how important that thread is. If you follow what that guide says, you'll be well on your way to becoming an asset to the XDA forums.
[HOW TO] Make A Substantial Thread, Post, Question & Poll - This is also a must read thread. Why, you ask? Well it's simple. Reading this will show you the best way to post your thread to ensure that people will respond and be able to help you. Rather than just giving no information or a thread title called "Mah phone brikked. Hlp me plzzz!", following that thread will give you the best chance of being helped.
[HOW TO] Make A Good Signature - This really is needed because as you'll see in a lot of signatures, mine included, is that we list our current devices and what ROM/kernel we are using. This helps people to help us. Take a look at the thread to find out what else to include in your signature.
Nexus 7 Helpful Links
I'll have these threads numbered so if you ask a question and it can be answered by looking at the first thread here, I'll say "Go to post 2 > nexus 7 > thread 1"
1. READ THIS FIRST - Nexus 7 General Section
2. [GUIDE] Flashing a factory image with fastboot/ returning to stock
3. N7 kernel test results (Performance & Battery tests)
4. Nexus 7 All-In-One Development Index​
5. [Index]- 28 Jan 2013 - All for NEXUS 7 - "Nakasig/Tilapia" - (GSM/HSPA+)
6. NEXUS 7 3G-"nakasig"-For all Your Jelly Bean Discussions, Problems and Solutions
More will be added at a later date

[SIZE=+3]Frequently Asked Questions[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]ASUS GOOGLE NEXUS 7 – GROUPER & TILAPIA (WiFi & 3G)[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=+1]This a short list of frequently asked questions in this device forum and the answers often given as a response. It should serve as a starting point for gathering knowledge and finding solutions to many common problems. Please only post in this thread with feedback on how to improve this document. Do not post "Thank you" type responses. If you have additional questions or require more help, try to find an existing thread or create your own. Do not use this as a general help thread.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Q1: Do I need a toolkit to root this bad boy?....?[/SIZE]
Its a Nexus, imo if you need a toolkit you're either not experienced enough for rooting or too lazy Toolkits are out there and they are really straight forward, but you should get to know how to use fastboot/adb in case you need it. If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be mucking around with your $200+ toy in case you screw something up and don't know how to use ADB or fastboot to restore it​
[SIZE=+1]Q2: I'm thinking of getting this device/I'm new to this device. What are the main problems i should look out for? [/SIZE]
Look through the following threads - Nexus 7 defects? - List of known faults.​
[SIZE=+1]Q3: Which ROM/kernel/recovery etc. would be the best choice for me? [/SIZE]
No-one can answer this for you. We all have our favorites, so just test different ones out and see which you prefer.​
[SIZE=+1]Q4: When I flash my first custom ROM, how come I get stuck in a bootloop? [/SIZE]
While it's recommended that you always do a full wipe before installing, you HAVE to do a full wipe before installing your first ROM. If you don't, you N7 will not boot up.​
[SIZE=+1]Q5: I flashed a new kernel and when I change frequencies, it reverts to stock settings 1.3GHz after a while. WHY??? [/SIZE]
You need a patched PowerHAL. On a very basic level, after a while the stock google PowerHAL likes to revert a lot of settings to stock. This includes the CPU clock speeds, etc. I got my PowerHAL from here
http://imoseyon.host4droid.com/grouper/beta/
And I flashed the nofreq one. It will NOT change your frequency, ever. After you flash the PowerHAL, use your favourite app (I like tricksterMOD, but support your devs by buying their apps) to set your kernel settings, and set them on boot. This is the easiest way to get settings to stick.
OR
You could use an init.d script to set a maximum clock speed. This way, you will need a kernel/ROM that supports boot.img.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35493253&postcount=1366
This is a lot more difficult but it works ​
[SIZE=+1]Q6: How much overclocking is too much? Am I damaging my device? [/SIZE]
No chips are created equally. Some can take more OC than others. It is fact that too much OC can shorten the life of your CPU. A general rule I have seen used a lot is to not go around 20-30% over the stock speed. That is around 1.5GHz which most kernels get up to. However, a lot of devices can take more and will go higher. See for yourself, just don't be stupid ​
[SIZE=+1]Q7: What is the difference between x and y kernel governors/schedulers? [/SIZE]
See here: [GUIDE]Kernel Governors and I/O SCHEDULERS
[REF][TWEAKS] Kernel Governors, Modules, I/O Schedulers, CPU Tweaks, AIO App Configs​
[SIZE=+1]Q8: I tried to boot my device into recovery from the bootloader and now it is stuck on the google screen. Is it bricked? [/SIZE]
No. Probably not. Chances are you're on an old bootloader, which has a bug that doesn't allow you to get into recovery from the BL without being connected to a computer. So, connect it to your computer, hold vol down/power for 10 secs to go back to the bootloader. You can go to the recovery from there.​
[SIZE=+1]Q9: On my HTC (whatever) I could transfer files onto my sdcard while in recovery. How do I do it on the N7? [/SIZE]
You can't drag/drop in recovery between your N7 and a PC. Either boot into android and transfer your files, or use ADB while in recovery.
"adb push nameoffile /data/media" or wherever your things are (beware of how many 0's there are on your sdcard).​
[SIZE=+1]Q10: My files on my "sdcard" appear under /data/media/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0. WHY so many 0's?? [/SIZE]
Ask Google. It’s got to do with the multiuser feature brought to android in 4.2. Ever user has their own folder, so you might have /0 and /1. If you're having troubles with it in recovery, I would update to the latest TWRP.​
[SIZE=+1]Q11: I’m trying to update my stock rooted modded N7 to 4.2 from 4.1.2 but it won't work. Help? [/SIZE]
You need to be running completely stock to update. So, you need to either flash a stock ROM or the stock image.​
[SIZE=+1]Q12: When I finish watching a video the screen goes weird. Its like, washed out or something. Is my device bricked? Is my screen bricked? [/SIZE]
No. Its the tegra smartdimmer. When your device is playing a video, the Tegra 3 automatically bumps up the contrast and dims the backlight, to save battery. This is a feature. To turn it off, either use a script or tricksterMOD (which is much easier).​
[SIZE=+1]Q13: Battery life on this kernel/ROM sux. I've been using it for half an hour and its dropped 30% already. Why? Restoring to my old kernel..[/SIZE]
When you flash a new ROM/kernel, you need to give it a few battery cycles before battery is reported accurately. So, flash the new kernel, drain it (not necessarily to 0%), charge it fully, drain it again, charge, then play around. Do not complain about battery or anything without doing a few cycles first.​
[SIZE=+1]Q14: I am about to flash another ROM. Do I have to full wipe or can I flash it on top? (Dirty flash).[/SIZE]
Usually you can probably dirty flash. But if it causes problems, don't report them. Best thing to do is to reflash the ROM with a full wipe and see if bugs persist. I always wipe when changing to a different ROM, but when updating a ROM i don't wipe usually.​
[SIZE=+1]Q15: Should I unlock the bootloader when I get the tablet if I am going to root it anyway?.[/SIZE]
I would say no. Because, if there is a problem you have sort of voided your warranty. I like to keep my devices for a month without rooting/unlocking them in case there is a fault or something. You should do the same, I’d hate to have a brand new device, root it and then find a fault and have voided your warranty. Companies can be sneaky and can probably try to avoid fixing your device under warranty if you tamper with it. However you could always relock and revert to stock, but it is much easier to be patient and make sure there are no problems ​
[SIZE=+1]Q16: Will rooting my tablet make it faster/awesomer and have improve battery life?[/SIZE]
Short answer: no.
Long answer: nope.
Rooting alone will not change anything relateds to battery or performance. However custom ROMs, kernels and other mods will change things. For example flashing a more optimised kernel might improve performance, especially if you overclock it. Similarly, underclocking generally improves battery life. Of course it depends on what crap you have on your device too, but that's the general idea. Usually in the OP of a ROM/kernel thread, and in the comments you can get a good idea on whether it is optimized for battery, performance or a combination.​
[SIZE=+1]Q17: What’s difference between N7 “Grouper – Nakasi” and N7 3G “Tilapia – Nakasig”?.[/SIZE]
Wi-Fi (all models) = Nakasi - Grouper
3G/Wi-Fi = Nakasig - Tilapia
The Nakasi/Nakasig is the image (operating system)
and
the Grouper/Tilapia is the hardware build.
Because one of the files for the phone call apk is named "tilapia"
assert(getprop("ro.product.device") == "tilapia"
getprop("ro.build.product") == "tilapia".​
[SIZE=+1]Q18: Can I use same recovery for N7 “Grouper” and N7 3G “Tilapia”? [/SIZE]
Yes, but it is preferable to use a special recovery for the tilapia. You will find 3 special recoveries for Tilapia.​
[SIZE=+1]Q19: What's the difference between "Development" and "Original Development"?[/SIZE]
Here are the rough guidelines as to what should be placed in "Original Development":
*Official release of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them).
*Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
*A significant "first" in development for a device. This is something which took considerable time/effort and is generally accepted by developers to be non-trivial.
*Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available.
*Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
*Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to the users of the target device.
All other development work goes into "Android Development".​
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[INDEX]All In One Nexus 7 Index Thread (WiFi)
[Index]All for NEXUS 7 - "Nakasig/Tilapia" - (3G/GSM/HSPA+)
[GUIDE][BOOTLOADER][4.2.2] TILAPIA JDQ39 - 4.18 Flash Image Instructions (FOR 3G VERSION)
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Good thread, make it a sticky !
At least good helpers will be honoured ^_^ !

Since this thread is for newbie I want to ask , can i use franco kernel on N7 3G 32GB?

nazz.rule said:
Since this thread is for newbie I want to ask , can i use franco kernel on N7 3G 32GB?
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There is a difference in being new and being spoon fed. You will find your answer in the Franco kernel thread.
Cheers Danny

nazz.rule said:
Since this thread is for newbie I want to ask , can i use franco kernel on N7 3G 32GB?
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Yes you can
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD

Thanks to Moscow Desire, this thread is now stickied so hopefully it will be able to help as many people as possible
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

I got my nexus 7 yesterday and updated it immediately to 4.2.1. All good so far. I start using and all goes well until I remember "this thing has the swipe keyboard, right?". I start swiping and nothing happens. Check the settings, it is on. Boot the device, no effect. Enable and disable the thing and boot the tablet a few times more, still no go.
At this point I decided I'll fix that later and made another user account for my GF to use. I immediately notice that the swipe typing works on that account just fine. I check the settings and looks like it's on by default. I go back to my own profile and check the settings again, but still no go.
Any ideas?

badmoj0 said:
I got my nexus 7 yesterday and updated it immediately to 4.2.1. All good so far. I start using and all goes well until I remember "this thing has the swipe keyboard, right?". I start swiping and nothing happens. Check the settings, it is on. Boot the device, no effect. Enable and disable the thing and boot the tablet a few times more, still no go.
At this point I decided I'll fix that later and made another user account for my GF to use. I immediately notice that the swipe typing works on that account just fine. I check the settings and looks like it's on by default. I go back to my own profile and check the settings again, but still no go.
Any ideas?
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Its definitely checked on your account?
Try this one as a quick workaround
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35596988
Sent with swag from my Kanged Nexus 7

Thanks for the tip. I tried that, but settings crashes every time I try to enable the PC layout keyboard.
I'm gonna do a factory wipe since the tablet is still almost on default anyway.
edit: Ok did reset and everything works just fine now. Now just wait for play store to install all the apps back

I have just got my new Nexus 7 and I want to root my N7 with Wug's root toolkit. I was thinking if I just don't check the box: flash custom recovery. Can I then just do the OTA updates? Because I don't want to install a Custom Rom.

Hi guys!
Just got a stock unrooted unmodded N7 32GB with build JZO54K. On first boot it found the OTA update to 4.2.1 so I happily accepted the update. A few minutes into the upgrade process I get the "dead" droid with the triangle, guess something went wrong. It boots up again into JZO54K and works fine.
I can force another attempt at the update by stopping and clearing the data for Google Services Framework and searching for updates again, but with the same results.
Am I missing something? Would like to try pure AOSP before going CM on this little beauty

How to root Nexus 7 without toolkit?
Root Nexus 7 must flash the CWM or other recoveries? In the menu of "Google Nexus 7 TOOLKIT V4.0.0", I found the button "Root" and the check "and flash recovery...". Does it mean I can root the machine without flash any recovery? Thanks.

AngryGamer025 said:
I have just got my new Nexus 7 and I want to root my N7 with Wug's root toolkit. I was thinking if I just don't check the box: flash custom recovery. Can I then just do the OTA updates? Because I don't want to install a Custom Rom.
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If you've only rooted you can do ota's. Just as long as you don't change ANYTHING in the /system partition like installing flashable zips
frdd said:
Hi guys!
Just got a stock unrooted unmodded N7 32GB with build JZO54K. On first boot it found the OTA update to 4.2.1 so I happily accepted the update. A few minutes into the upgrade process I get the "dead" droid with the triangle, guess something went wrong. It boots up again into JZO54K and works fine.
I can force another attempt at the update by stopping and clearing the data for Google Services Framework and searching for updates again, but with the same results.
Am I missing something? Would like to try pure AOSP before going CM on this little beauty
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Sure its completely stock? If it is, it should work... If you be got any more troubles ask Google
If you want pure AOSP there are ROMs for that you can flash, if you root
tmbu said:
Root Nexus 7 must flash the CWM or other recoveries? In the menu of "Google Nexus 7 TOOLKIT V4.0.0", I found the button "Root" and the check "and flash recovery...". Does it mean I can root the machine without flash any recovery? Thanks.
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You can root by having all the right superuser binaries etc
But its easier to flash the recovery, and then flash the latest superuser/ supersu zip.
Sent with from my Asus Nexus Unicorn

markj338 said:
You can root by having all the right superuser binaries etc
But its easier to flash the recovery, and then flash the latest superuser/ supersu zip.
Sent with from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
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Thank you for reply. I can understand your second sentence, but I can't understand the first one. Can you say something more? I just want to root the machine without any toolkit and recovery.

tmbu said:
Thank you for reply. I can understand your second sentence, but I can't understand the first one. Can you say something more? I just want to root the machine without any toolkit and recovery.
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I would recommend flashing the recovery in order to get everything working properly, and to easily recover if something goes wrong

I was wondering whether it's possible to share files between the different users of the same N7? For instance to make video or music files available regardless of who is logged in.
I don't seem to be able to find anyone even discussing this anywhere at all.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

opticon78 said:
I was wondering whether it's possible to share files between the different users of the same N7? For instance to make video or music files available regardless of who is logged in.
I don't seem to be able to find anyone even discussing this anywhere at all.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
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The closest option to that is Multi-User App Share. It doesn't have the ability to share files though. Maybe the creator will make it possible in a future update though
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

I have seen it in the play store, but I'm not sure how that would make sharing files within the tablet possible, and since it requires rooting I can't even try it unfortunately.
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