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Is anyone impressed with froyo so far?

I think having flash is cool. Doesn't seem as good to me as the oc'ed dl09 blackhole I was running before. Seems glitchy and temperamental. I haven't run one rom for a few days to let things settle in but that's because it just isn't doing it for me yet.
Maybe when the kinks are worked out and there is an overclocked voodoo option it will be more to my liking.
Some of the controls do not seem as intuitive either such as settings that have to be activated through an action or haptic having to be turned on but vibration intensity set to zero to turn it off when typing in different apps.
I see why verizon and samsung don't throw it on the market as is.
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Im running Rubik's and am extremely impressed. I feel like it does everything faster. Only thing I find that has taken a step backwards is the web browser. It seems a little slower and doesn't autosize websites when I double tap.
Really that's my only thing ... I'm not seeing a lot of the bugs that have been reported by users.
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i second the rubik's post. but alltogether, froyo is kind of...
lame. everyone said we shouldn't get our panties in a bunch over it. and they were right. it seems to cause just about as many problems as it fixed.
so again, i guess we go back to hating samsung code dev. why can't this just be a google native phone? when android started that was the idea right?
(of course this is most likely due to the difference in hardware, but its still fun to blame samsung).

I actually find the browser to definitely load sites a bit faster than Eclair's -- which should be expected since a browser performance boost is one of Froyo's top-billed features.
That said, I think people need to remember that this (DL30) is almost certainly not a release that will ever see the official light of day. Simply put, we're running a leak that was never supposed to get out. There are obvious bugs (like long-pressing search) and quite likely more than a few non-obvious bugs too. Heck, Droid Life already has pictures of a newer Froyo ROM with all the expected Verizon bloatware (Blockbuster, Bing, etc.), so that just adds support to the idea that DL30 simply isn't ready for primetime.
But I do have to say this: whether on stock Android or not, Froyo does offer a measurable performance boost over Eclair. Anyone who says otherwise really should take a look at the benchmarks performed by quite literally every major tech blog and news site out there. Of course it's not like getting a new phone, but it truly is a noticeable speed boost. So why aren't we seeing much if anything noticeable now? That should be obvious: bloatware aside, once again, we're simply running an unfinished ROM.

Froyo is great. Please don't complain about it. People worked hard for this. We don't need your discouragement, this will develope more, just give it time
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The wait for Froyo's feature set was for me, secondary to the wait for the development boost. The guys on our forum do great things, but noone wants to be working with 2.1.
This brings us to the proper foundation to build from.
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It's OK.
It only confirmed what i already knew. That our XDA developers are the true innovators and the only ROMS i care about are theirs.
I was one of those that frequently said Froyo was not a big deal. I installed it, and my thoughts are mixed.
Was it worth the wait? well there are things that i liked and things not to like.
Here's what i liked. For starters, I have a galaxy tab and when i installed my games onto my Fascinate they didn't work. I suspected it was because of Froyo 2.2. I was right. They all came to life on Froyo. Pocket legends HD is spectacular. I also am able to use Kongregate now as well as Hulu (with mod). The email reader was slicker and the facebook integration smoother.
Here's what i disliked. While i've had no bugs (i re-installed a stock image first), it is slower, less bells and whistles than my previously fabulous Custom Rom's and themes. and of course back to bloated touchwiz junk. I did put adw, but it still seems slower than before. Most of the upgrades were under the hood and to be honest i never really felt them.
I miss my custom themes, but for now i'll keep this froyo and wait for themes ported to it to give it my final opinion.

Froyo delivered what I wanted it to deliver:
- A GMail app that has almost all of the features I need
- A contact list that sorts by last name
- The ability to move apps to my SD card
- Fully functioning Flash
I am happy....

Slower then my dj05....period.

Falcyn said:
I actually find the browser to definitely load sites a bit faster than Eclair's -- which should be expected since a browser performance boost is one of Froyo's top-billed features.
That said, I think people need to remember that this (DL30) is almost certainly not a release that will ever see the official light of day. Simply put, we're running a leak that was never supposed to get out. There are obvious bugs (like long-pressing search) and quite likely more than a few non-obvious bugs too. Heck, Droid Life already has pictures of a newer Froyo ROM with all the expected Verizon bloatware (Blockbuster, Bing, etc.), so that just adds support to the idea that DL30 simply isn't ready for primetime.
But I do have to say this: whether on stock Android or not, Froyo does offer a measurable performance boost over Eclair. Anyone who says otherwise really should take a look at the benchmarks performed by quite literally every major tech blog and news site out there. Of course it's not like getting a new phone, but it truly is a noticeable speed boost. So why aren't we seeing much if anything noticeable now? That should be obvious: bloatware aside, once again, we're simply running an unfinished ROM.
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According to quadrant...I'm running 115mhz slower on dl30 with a decrease of about 3 mflops...so I'd say it is not faster. It's actually very...apparent

Overall, I'm happy with it. Selecting text and cut/copy/paste is vastly improved, it's got built-in screen capture, better multitouch, better g-mail client and I can now use the full Skype app.
The little glitches need to be accepted in so far as we *are* using a leak. There are reasons Verizon hasn't released this yet, and chances are, these are those reasons.

so far I'm loving the 2.2 leak. Working great.

Pfredd said:
Froyo delivered what I wanted it to deliver:
- A GMail app that has almost all of the features I need
- A contact list that sorts by last name
- The ability to move apps to my SD card
- Fully functioning Flash
I am happy....
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Moving apps to SD card
is there are ROM that has this feature included?

Right now everything is definitely faster than my completely stock fascinate. The only thing that doesn't work is the included email and Google maps and navigation which is a little annoying

Are you kidding? Flash, new Gmail, sort contacts, add ringtones without having to create a phone contact, and Chrome to Phone. I can't tell you how often I use Chrome to Phone. Anytime I need to install a zip, I just send it right to my phone. Overall, I have to say 2.2 is a very nice improvement over 2.1.

For me, the DL09 w/voodoo was the best overall Fascinate experience... but coming from a Froyo'd OG Droid... I really missed Chrome to Phone and Flash... so that's why I am running DL30.
What I am hoping for? DL09 Voodoo performance with DL30 features... I am gonna stick with DL30 for now (as switching back from DL09 Voodoo bricked my phone) and hope that we can get Voodoo like performance soon enough...
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I did the stock (rooted) leak and then went to Superclean for Froyo. Superclean can be modded with blackhole elements and other tweaks you can find in the forum. Bottom line? I get faster performance and less lag. The browser works faster and it is a cleaner integration. My only issue now is battery life. I was getting very good battery life with my old setup. So I wiped bat stats, reinstalled clean after wiping everything, etc. and it still doesn't seem right. When I check usage it seems to overly point out display (like 95% of battery usage). I'm not sure what's going on but I'm up to about nine hours of battery life so it's good enough. I'm hoping some of these things will get resolved as time goes by. Any wisdom, let me know. Overall, froyo works well and will only get better.
One note. I was noticing the browser issue as well. Go to the settings in the browser and that will take care of it. Apparently "resize" isn't the default as it should be.

The Froyo Gmail app allows me to send outbound mail from all the addresses I have set up in my Gmail account - a significant improvement from the pre-Froyo version which only sends outbound mail from your main Gmail address.

onemotodroid said:
Moving apps to SD card
is there are ROM that has this feature included?
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The stock ROM has it. You need to go to Settings / Applications / Manage Applications. Click on the app you want to move. If the app supports moving, the "Move to SD card" button will be active. Just press that button.

Now that I have Blackhole 4.1 the experience is getting better. Seems to be running smoother.
Can't wait for voodoo and oc'ed kernels.

[Q] is honeycomb this sluggish on all tegra devices?

so I purchased the transformer after rave reviews online. Unfortunately I'm finding an incredibly sluggish experience akin to my nexus 1 on stock 2.1. I'm at 3.1 and the latest firmware and the thing is almost unusable even after a fresh reboot. The launcher is sluggish and all tasks are jerky and delayed. Anyone have any tips to optimizing. The performance? I thought about an although launcher but that seems. Like it SHOULD be unnecessary on hardware like this....
My nexus on cm7 with go launcher is smooth as butter... any ideas? Any known issues?

So on a stock rom it feels like... a stock rom? Give it time. As honeycomb matures and more custom roms with optimizations come out it will definitely get better. The one complaint I have right now is choppy flash video which apparently does not affect other devices (even with equal hardware).
Basically, Asus needs to implement some fixes (like Flash) then get the source code into the hands of devs around here and we will be sorted. Honestly though, it's really not bad as it is. I'm loving it!

apols said:
Any known issues?
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Yes there are several if you read here and elsewhere, but nothing like you're describing AFAIK.

apols said:
so I purchased the transformer after rave reviews online. Unfortunately I'm finding an incredibly sluggish experience akin to my nexus 1 on stock 2.1. I'm at 3.1 and the latest firmware and the thing is almost unusable even after a fresh reboot. The launcher is sluggish and all tasks are jerky and delayed. Anyone have any tips to optimizing. The performance? I thought about an although launcher but that seems. Like it SHOULD be unnecessary on hardware like this....
My nexus on cm7 with go launcher is smooth as butter... any ideas? Any known issues?
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To me the default launcher on Asus is very sluggish even when 3.1 came out. I recommend get ADW Launcher Pro. Been using it from day one. Its also sluggish with the Samsung 10.1

I got mine yesterday, TBH I'm also little disappointed with the overall performance given its’ hardware spec. But its NOT extremely laggy a you describe. Early builds of most Android ROMs are like this. I experienced similar issues with my Galaxy S when I first got it, but with time things improved a lot. So I am anxiously waiting for Asus to come up with better ROMs (fixing Flash performance and overall laggyness of the browser and launcher).
@OP, there are plenty of youtube videos showing general performance; go through them and see if you experience anything out of the ordinary.

I haven't noticed the sluggishness myself. There have been a couple hiccups during periods of high load, thats about it.
I did turn Animations to "Some" though...

No slugishness for me. Even before 3.1 I didn't notice any. The animations could be set to be faster sometimes but thats about it. No jerkiness for sure.

++ there's something wrong with your Transformer.
I wouldn't describe the launcher as 'super smooth' but it's not 'almost unusable' by any stretch.
I have an HTC Incredible (almost identical hardware to the Nexus One) running CyanogenMod 7.03 (Android 2.3) and the Transformer is faster without a doubt.
The first thing you should try is a factory reset.

TouchWiz updates stopped by Samsung?

From what I read recently, I'm glad I use a vanilla 3.1 ROM. Apparently Samsung stopped the CrapWiz (pardon, I meant TouchWiz) updates on tablets since AUgust 15th. Anyone knows the real reason? The official Samsung response is "we are taking the time to assess progress and ensure it is a positive experience for users", but many tech sites think is pure bull****. In fact, this might be the cause. Read more on this, from Electronista.

They restarted the update, they only put it on hold for a few days while they integrated KME into the update.
You should give it a shot, since vanilla 3.1 is a hot mess anyway. There's some significant performance upgrades, and all it costs you is non-gay(pardon, I meant non-tacky, er, pardon non-Tron looking) menus and fonts, and a couple extra icons on the menu bar.

Someone want to tell a new owner how to get touchwiz update on their tab? I want to do it for the performance increase cause right now I ran every benchmark test known to man 3 times each for the Galaxy tab 10.1 I got, a brand new Xoom (I have to decide between the two) and the Xoom is literally taking a hammer and murdering my tab. Quadrant on Xoom was 1920 average out of the 3, while the Gtab is 1560. Linpack average is 59 or so on the Xoom, about 54 on the Gtab. Antutu is 4700 for the Xoom, 4600 for the Gtab. SD read is 17 MBs/s and SD write is 17.3 MBs/s for the Xoom, while my Gtab is getting 16.5 MB/s SD read, and SD write only 9.8 MBs/s.
Home screen scrolling, browser and youtube, typing lag, etc. are all much more pronounced on my new Galaxy tab than the Xoom. I'm wondering if the performance upgrade of TouchWiz will balance things out. After all, they are running same hardware.
Also, how hard is it to get rid of Touchwiz and just go back to COMPLETELY stock factory default settings in case I decide to sell it?

Ya, I initially did the TW upgrade... what turned me really off is that they mutilated the beautiful Android theme, not to mention the HUGE bloatware added. I really like how Android had the dark themed settings and Samsung decided to make it white like a wannabe iPad, beside the fact that the text was not as readable as it was on Android theme.
I also noticed that the battery consumption increased drastically, I would say easy 40-50%.. the Android keyboard vibration did not worked anymore and Gmail/Calendar was different compared to Android version. Still the most negative factor for me was the "new" look and the extra bloatware eating my 32GB.
PhantomHacker is about to release a 3.2 vanilla ROM soon, can't wait.

kettlecorn said:
Someone want to tell a new owner how to get touchwiz update on their tab?
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Install either Starburst or Task650 ROM.
kettlecorn said:
Also, how hard is it to get rid of Touchwiz and just go back to COMPLETELY stock factory default settings in case I decide to sell it?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171089

Croak said:
They restarted the update, they only put it on hold for a few days while they integrated KME into the update.
You should give it a shot, since vanilla 3.1 is a hot mess anyway. There's some significant performance upgrades, and all it costs you is non-gay(pardon, I meant non-tacky, er, pardon non-Tron looking) menus and fonts, and a couple extra icons on the menu bar.
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Just want to point something out. I haven't seen a vanilla HC on GT10.1. Yes, the initial version didn't have Touchwiz but it surely was modified by Samsung. The real vanilla Android 3.1 on Xoom (updates come from Google servers) worked much better then the Android 3.1 that GT10.1 shipped with.
With the Touchwiz update they seem to have fixed the issues that their original 3.1 had. They also seem to have included some Android 3.2 fixes or at least it seems so to me, as the Android 3.1 Touchwiz is almost as smooth and fast as vanilla 3.2 on Xoom.

Thanks for the info, poisike. I'm pretty sure also vanilla 3.2 will be much better that 3.1 TouchWiz. We will see in few days. I'm going to stick with vanilla anyways. As a side note, not sure if you can call the UEKG4 a vanilla ROM, but it sure does not have anything Samsung on it (Apps, Hub, etc.) beside the System Updates.

As a former Xoom owner, one of the things I really hated (besides the fact that it was a brick) was the goofy "retro-tech" look of the UI, the colours, the fonts, the whole nine yards. It was gag-worthy. I was tickled pink to see much of that go away, and ADW EX quashed the remnants that were attached to Launcher.
Can't speak for the keyboard, since I use Thumb KB, which vibrates just fine.
I was also happy to see the noticeable performance boost, especially the elimination of the browser typing lag.
As for "bloatware", you got a few megabytes, not gigs, all of it easy enough to remove or disable, and some of it useful (sans all the Hub crap).
Finally, I'm still getting great battery life out of the Tab, pretty sure I (and others) would have noticed battery life dropping by half.

Thanks for sharing your experience and honestly, I'm glad that you like TouchWiz.
I wish I could say the same, but I cannot stand it.
Listening to what you say about battery, I had the tablet discharged in less than 6 hours on regular usage with TouchWiz. Once I got back to vanilla I can top easy 10hrs with the same usage. I doubt we are talking few megs only... PhantomHacker removed over 40mb or bloatware in his TW Starburst ROM, while still keeping most of the apps... The way I see is: if the update was 100mb in a tarball format, the contents expanded were easily 200mb (of useless software for me).

Never mind, it seems the post I was replying to has gone...

CM10 vs. stock

I've never had a Nexus device before... so there was always a more significant difference between a stock ROM (ie. Sense-based) and CMxx. I expect the differences here to be a bit more subtle.
I am curious to know what features I'd get on a CM10-based ROM vs. what I get with a stock 4.1.2 build.
Probably best to stick with simple factual lists... ie. I'm not looking for a religious debate just an idea of the tradeoffs.
thanks!

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zim2dive said:
I've never had a Nexus device before... so there was always a more significant difference between a stock ROM (ie. Sense-based) and CMxx. I expect the differences here to be a bit more subtle.
I am curious to know what features I'd get on a CM10-based ROM vs. what I get with a stock 4.1.2 build.
Probably best to stick with simple factual lists... ie. I'm not looking for a religious debate just an idea of the tradeoffs.
thanks!
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Hey I had the same thoughts not too long ago so here is a(n incomplete) list of things I have noticed and enjoy or miss. So here goes
Advantages of CM
Camera power button hack plus other camera options
notification toggles (much like the new touchwiz)
built in sound profiles and quiet hours
Messaging app with expandable notification
more audio output options ie. DSP equaliser
cool lockscreen options
Advantages of stock
Built in document viewers (you don't notice how nice these are until you don't have them)
timely and stable updates OTA (for the most part, carriers excluded)
stock launcher is very smooth, more so in my opinion than the current CM launcher
I found CM laggy and frustrating (keep in mind this was on a nightly), YMMV but I'm back on stock now because of it
Like I say this is just my small experience but Stock has really come a long way and is a very full experience. But flashing ROMs is fun as well.

Concerned about a scrolling and smoothness.

Took the plunge and got the note 5 as been using the note 4 for a while as was pretty much seduced the the new processor and 4gb ram. However upon using it in real life I found the scrolling and smoothness was no where compared to my note 4. I tried to stick a custom kernel on it but still the scrolling was horrible especially on apps like talon for Twitter which I use way too often enough to notice the difference. I didn't bother getting a custom rom as really expected the experience to be great out of the box.
Can you please share your views about the smoothness and scrolling of the nexus 6p please as am really arching to change my phone and really want to try this one out.

Theres already a Thread about this in the Reallife Usage Forum.