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"Sprint expects to launch Android 2.2 in the near future" (except Hero and Moment)

"Sprint expects to launch Android 2.2 in the near future" (except Hero and Moment)
A bit misleading... Link goes to Sprint's BAW forum where the excitement quickly turned to anger about Sprint abandoning currently shipping phones and users stuck in contracts. Despite the headline, only the Evo will be getting the 2.2 upgrade from Sprint.
Originally Posted by twitter.com/sprint:
Sprint expects to launch Android 2.2 in the near future - http://bit.ly/d0HRgj
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From Sprint link...
SprintEmployee JGatSprint says:
... 2.2 will not be available for HTC Hero or Samsung Moment
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I thought that when 2.2 was announced at the big Google press event, HTC's CEO was quoted as saying that all currently shipping HTC phones would be getting the upgrade...? I'll see if I can dig up that quote.
Ah, nevermind. I found the quote and it was regarding 2.1.

I just saw the tweet, and I don't think it includes the hero, but I did hear something on that about them getting 2.2..
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cool! good job for sprint!

radxcoresteven said:
I just saw the tweet, and I don't think it includes the hero, but I did hear something on that about them getting 2.2..
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No, you heard that all currently available Android phones would be getting the 2.1 update. That was when all us Hero owners were clamoring for the 2.0 upgrade.

Oh, and the good news is that we don't need HTC or Sprint to do this for us. We're fortunate enough to have a community of developers that are working hard to put out a Froyo update compatible with the Hero. Remember to tip them well, kiddos, because Sprint just left you behind. Oh, and tell your Sprint rep that this is why you rooted your phone.

They're melting down over at the official sprint forums.

gunnyman said:
They're melting down over at the official sprint forums.
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Drop a bomb that size, you better expect nuclear fallout. If darchstar, damageless and TrevE can get Froyo on the Hero, Sprint and HTC could as well. They just want people to keep upgrading. Good business sense; poor customer support.

All you need to do is have enough of publicity about this and they'll have to do something about it.
Imagine top tech headlines;
"Sprint drops support for currently shipping phones... refuses to update firmware", "Would you trust Sprint again...", "Angry Sprint Android owners demand a refund"
...and the last one "Sprint agrees to update older android phones’ software after many complaints from customers"

obsanity said:
All you need to do is have enough of publicity about this and they'll have to do something about it.
Imagine top tech headlines;
"Sprint drops support for currently shipping phones... refuses to update firmware", "Would you trust Sprint again...", "Angry Sprint Android owners demand a refund"
...and the last one "Sprint agrees to update older android phones’ software after many complaints from customers"
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Good luck with that. I'm not sure they care. It's business. Besides, like I said, just tell them these types of decisions are why *ahem* some dude you know *cough* rooted his phone and he knows some guys that are working on putting 2.2 on the Hero right now.

subcypher said:
Oh, and the good news is that we don't need HTC or Sprint to do this for us. We're fortunate enough to have a community of developers that are working hard to put out a Froyo update compatible with the Hero.
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Posts like this are a pet peeve of mine. Not to discredit the great work that the community dev's do, but community generated ROMs that are cobbled together from other devices are NOT the same as vendor-genuine ROMs from HTC/Sprint. While in MANY ways the community ROMs are far superior, they lack the hardware-specific code (kernel drivers, etc...) that only the OEM can provide. Consistently, the most stable and fully-functional community ROMs are those based off of hardware-accurate vendor ROMs (like Fresh, based off of the shipping RUU). The ROMs derived from other devices are far more likely to have caveats such as "fully-functional except for the camera, sensors, martini shaker, ..." (I don't know what part of the term "FULLY-functional" is unclear to some devs).
While it is inevitable that the community devs WILL create a 2.2 ROM, it will not be of the same caliber that would be possible with a genuine vendor ROM to use as a starting point.

i guess you havent run. darchdroid heh
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cmccracken said:
Posts like this are a pet peeve of mine. Not to discredit the great work that the community dev's do, but community generated ROMs that are cobbled together from other devices are NOT the same as vendor-genuine ROMs from HTC/Sprint. While in MANY ways the community ROMs are far superior, they lack the hardware-specific code (kernel drivers, etc...) that only the OEM can provide. Consistently, the most stable and fully-functional community ROMs are those based off of hardware-accurate vendor ROMs (like Fresh, based off of the shipping RUU). The ROMs derived from other devices are far more likely to have caveats such as "fully-functional except for the camera, sensors, martini shaker, ..." (I don't know what part of the term "FULLY-functional" is unclear to some devs).
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Darch Droid is fully functional now. Took some time to get things figured out but now that he knows how to get it working. It shouldn't be any issue on future releases...once we get kernel code.
Not to mention that, our drivers are there in these roms, just quirky.

cmccracken said:
Posts like this are a pet peeve of mine. Not to discredit the great work that the community dev's do, but community generated ROMs that are cobbled together from other devices are NOT the same as vendor-genuine ROMs from HTC/Sprint. While in MANY ways the community ROMs are far superior, they lack the hardware-specific code (kernel drivers, etc...) that only the OEM can provide. Consistently, the most stable and fully-functional community ROMs are those based off of hardware-accurate vendor ROMs (like Fresh, based off of the shipping RUU). The ROMs derived from other devices are far more likely to have caveats such as "fully-functional except for the camera, sensors, martini shaker, ..." (I don't know what part of the term "FULLY-functional" is unclear to some devs).
While it is inevitable that the community devs WILL create a 2.2 ROM, it will not be of the same caliber that would be possible with a genuine vendor ROM to use as a starting point.
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Doth mine ears deceive me? Are you saying that just because an Android developer works for HTC and Sprint that he's better than the hobbyists that hang out here? I think you missed the whole point of open source.
And, yes, fully-functional may take some time, but it usually happens. Kernel and drivers always come out and are adjusted as needed. As gunnyman said, Darchdroid 2.7 is fully functional. My point is that they're doing what they're doing and doing it well. Sprint/HTC could do it, but they're choosing not to, forcing users to upgrade. Again, one of the benefits of open source.
So, why the pet peeve? I'm just curious. I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling. You're on these forums, so either you're into custom ROMs or you're some kind of troll. If you're into ROMs, why are you bashing devs, because whether you meant to or not, that's what you're doing with this post. You're basically saying, "Cool painting, Picasso, but you'll never be Monet." WTF?

subcypher said:
Good luck with that. I'm not sure they care. It's business. Besides, like I said, just tell them these types of decisions are why *ahem* some dude you know *cough* rooted his phone and he knows some guys that are working on putting 2.2 on the Hero right now.
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I gotta keep this phone until next March so I'm kinda stuck unless I wanna shell out 500 for another phone with this one is 2.5 months old. Well, I don't want to and I can't afford to play this game. So, when we get a 2.2 for the Hero that works like it's supposed to I can hopefully stick with Flipz FreshROM and i'm donating at least 50 to that guy. Between him, Damage and all the other guys with the time and skill to do this they've earned 100x that.

subcypher said:
And, yes, fully-functional may take some time, but it usually happens. Kernel and drivers always come out and are adjusted as needed. As gunnyman said, Darchdroid 2.7 is fully functional. My point is that they're doing what they're doing and doing it well. Sprint/HTC could do it, but they're choosing not to, forcing users to upgrade. Again, one of the benefits of open source.
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cmcraken has a point though, Darchdroid is only fully functional because it is based on the 2.1 RUU made specifically for the hero. Until that RUU hit the streets, every previous 2.1 ROM was handicapped in some form or other. If Sprint/HTC doesn't develop a 2.2 RUU specifically for the Hero, the best the devs will be able to do is get us as close as possible, but never spot on.

subcypher said:
Doth mine ears deceive me? Are you saying that just because an Android developer works for HTC and Sprint that he's better than the hobbyists that hang out here? I think you missed the whole point of open source.
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I'm saying that the community developers will never have access to the resources that the vendor devs do. They will never have access to the low-level engineering data that the vendors keep behind locked doors, nor the source code for things like SenseUI. Reverse engineering can only get you so far.
I understand full well what the point of open-source is. the problem is that these phones as a whole are definitively NOT open-source. Only a small portion of the total package is open-source, and even a major portion of that (the Linux kernel source code) is a colossal PITA to get our hands on. Despite the open-source sales pitch on Android phones, they aren't very open-source in implementation.

cmccracken said:
I'm saying that the community developers will never have access to the resources that the vendor devs do. They will never have access to the low-level engineering data that the vendors keep behind locked doors, nor the source code for things like SenseUI. Reverse engineering can only get you so far.
I understand full well what the point of open-source is. the problem is that these phones as a whole are definitively NOT open-source. Only a small portion of the total package is open-source, and even a major portion of that (the Linux kernel source code) is a colossal PITA to get our hands on. Despite the open-source sales pitch on Android phones, they aren't very open-source in implementation.
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I see your point and concede to you on this. Well played, sir. I think, though, that given the status of what has come before, that we can expect great things from reverse engineering. Hopefully, with the things I've been reading about Google and Android specifically, that things will change with Froyo. I've heard rumblings about making Android one package, the things HTC wants to do another package and the things Sprint wants to do a third package, that way Android updates can continue and the other guys have to keep up if they want us using their stuff.
Longshot? Yes. The way it should be? Yes.

subcypher said:
Longshot? Yes. The way it should be? Yes.
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Ditto. The vendor support (or lack thereof) and OS fragmentation is absolutely killing Android. 1.5 million iPhone 4's sold so far despite it being inferior to the Evo on all fronts. The reason? Apple. They fix bugs for their devices and provide added functionality via regular software updates. iOS 4 is provided as an upgrade to the iPhone 3G, released July 2008. Sprint can't even provide updates for a phone that's less than a year old. These Android vendors have got to get on the same page and start playing by Apple's rules if they want to compete with Apple.

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Drop a bomb that size, you better expect nuclear fallout. If darchstar, damageless and TrevE can get Froyo on the Hero, Sprint and HTC could as well. They just want people to keep upgrading. Good business sense; poor customer support.
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100% agree

Evo 3D Rant

Each day when I come here, I see a big slow down on the developing and updating of roms for the Evo4G. I know allot of the developers and members have gone on to the Evo 3D, but there is still a large number of us that aren't totally sold on the 3D yet. And like in my case it is NOT from being able to afford the 3D cause the price is not the issue. I just think allot of members are being left with a slim choice of roms anymore and the choice is getting slimmer. Thank you 3D!
"Hell I don't know anymore"

Don't really see roms disappeared anywhere, and yes many people got the 3vo but it still wasn't ROM per day before the 3vo, just give it time till devs find new and better things to put on ROMs
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Not saying any roms have "disappeared" just seems the updating and developing in the 4G arena had slowed down quite a bit.
bronxknight28 said:
Don't really see roms disappeared anywhere, and yes many people got the 3vo but it still wasn't ROM per day before the 3vo, just give it time till devs find new and better things to put on ROMs
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selders59 said:
Each day when I come here, I see a big slow down on the developing and updating of roms for the Evo4G. I know allot of the developers and members have gone on to the Evo 3D, but there is still a large number of us that aren't totally sold on the 3D yet. And like in my case it is NOT from being able to afford the 3D cause the price is not the issue. I just think allot of members are being left with a slim choice of roms anymore and the choice is getting slimmer. Thank you 3D!
"Hell I don't know anymore"
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Really? If it is worth crying over why don't you start developing for your phone? These devs do this for fun and free. They don't owe you anything or have to develop on the basis that there is still a large user base. You are not entitled to anything.

Leaning the kitchen is definitely the way to go. That way you can take the best of what you like, and it in.
Much more satisfying too.
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I just see more quality roms

I don't think the OP is ranting against developers, I believe he's ranting against the EVO3D for just existing. least that's the way I saw it.
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selders59 said:
Each day when I come here, I see a big slow down on the developing and updating of roms for the Evo4G. I know allot of the developers and members have gone on to the Evo 3D, but there is still a large number of us that aren't totally sold on the 3D yet. And like in my case it is NOT from being able to afford the 3D cause the price is not the issue. I just think allot of members are being left with a slim choice of roms anymore and the choice is getting slimmer. Thank you 3D!
"Hell I don't know anymore"
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1. dude lets face it the evo 4g is now free at many places like target mobile..
2. The Evo 4g while a good phone is now end of life as it has been replaced... Its the way it goes.... We are lucky that the phone was not replaced after about 3 to 6 months. We got a year of updates.... from htc and sprint....
3. why dont you just go and get the evo 3d like i am in november for me...
4. why dont you just root and place some sort of evo 3d rom on your phone... granted it will be slow because of having to use the transflash card for everything.... since you need atleast a 2gb partition on it as ext3

You have definitely taken this wrong. And I have NEVER said the devs.owe us anything. Just making an observation. So don't try to inject things into my words that I am not stating.
Rem3Dy said:
Really? If it is worth crying over why don't you start developing for your phone? These devs do this for fun and free. They don't owe you anything or have to develop on the basis that there is still a large user base. You are not entitled to anything.
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"Hell I don't know anymore"

IMO, I love HTC, but the hardware changes aren't worth me wasting my upgrade right now. I'll just wait for Fiscal Q1 2012 when everything will have major changes.
for example:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/16/nvidia-quad-core-android-tablet-codenamed-kal-el-video/
that's a major hardware change from everything else. That would make me upgrade no problem....
I'm not saying from eVo to 3vO isn't an upgrade, just not enough for me

Man I can definitely see everyone does not read this correctly. It was just made as an observation and that was it. As for getting a 3D like I said the cost is nothing, as if and when I decide to get a 3D I will be purchasing more than one. My issue is Performance wise and I have tested it side by side at Sprint with my phone running virus's B1.3 rom. And even the tech I know there said outside of the 3D pics and videos, the processor just a hair bigger, and the increase in memory there really was not a significant difference in the performance. As he even stated that the rom I am using runs and makes transitions just as smooth as the 3D.
So I think I will just hold off til something with some more significant changes in software and hardware comes out before I use my upgrades or money on.
"Hell I don't know anymore"

I think the bottom line is a combination of factors.
The devs have done 2.1 and 2.2 pretty much to death.
AOSP, Sense 3.0, and GB are more intriguing to more and more people, but there is a lack of source code.
There are other higher-profile projects for devs, including rooting 2.3 and, yes, rooting and developing for the 3D.
But I agree with the other suggestions that you look into cooking your own ROMs, or maybe get into app development. That's what I'm doing, but it's also just for fun. Be creative. Just make a nandroid first.

Progress is a *****. Get over it.

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IMO, I love HTC, but the hardware changes aren't worth me wasting my upgrade right now. I'll just wait for Fiscal Q1 2012 when everything will have major changes.
for example:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/16/nvidia-quad-core-android-tablet-codenamed-kal-el-video/
that's a major hardware change from everything else. That would make me upgrade no problem....
I'm not saying from eVo to 3vO isn't an upgrade, just not enough for me
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I want to believe this is true but I think it's all speculation for quad cores coming to phones when dual cores are barely being introduced to some phones...Evo 3D being one of them. I agree though, I'm waiting until an ice cream sandwich phone (from someone other than Samsung) comes out..or a phone with higher specs to come out before I even consider getting a new phone.

I can see your comment is a suggestion as to your IQ gumbo. It really is surprising when people take observations you make as "crying" then post highly intellectural comments like "get over it" . ROFLMAO you make me laugh.
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Progress is a *****. Get over it.
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"Hell I don't know anymore"

Once the kernel source is released we will see more development. Other than the original android phone the "G1" the EVO has seen major development over other phones and continues to do so. The EVO has had quit a run in my opinion. How many other phones get a update after a year of service? Not many. Once we see a non 3d version of the dual core I personally will be upgrading. For now I believe the shift ports are giving the EVO one more run.
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I see it the same as SilverZero. It's not the Evo 3D or any other new sexy phone that's slowing ROM development. It's simply that Froyo's been done and still no source code for Gingerbread. So, things are slow. That said, I still see a lot of port successes (and failures) in Development and incremental tweaks on existing GB roms.
What would you like to see?

OP, just flash Synergy Rom and call it a day. It's the smoothed, zippiest Rom I have ever flashed. There's no denying it. With Synergy Rom on my EVO 4G, it's absolutely keeping me from getting the EVO 3D. It's that good.
I'm gonna hold off on upgrading for a little while at least three to six months to see what else is gonna become available.

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OP, just flash Synergy Rom and call it a day. It's the smoothed, zippiest Rom I have ever flashed. There's no denying it. With Synergy Rom on my EVO 4G, it's absolutely keeping me from getting the EVO 3D. It's that good.
I'm gonna hold off on upgrading for a little while at least three to six months to see what else is gonna become available.
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+1 on Synergy, & I'm waiting for whenever the WiThin drops before I even think of making any decision to get rid of my EVO. I even still have my Epic sitting unactivated. Decisions decisions LOL
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Folks don't take me wrong, the 3D is an advancement and the developers here are top notch and so are a majority of the members. I have made and will continue to make donations to this site and the devs both in support and financially. I just know there are allot of folks still going to keep their evo's for awhile more and would hate to see the loss of further rom developing for our devices. If I had the knowledge and time to get into developing I would for the community. But I don't. As running a business and being part of several organizations for handicapped children takes up most of my time besides my own family. I apologize if this thread has been tasken by some in the wrong context.
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+1 on Synergy, & I'm waiting for whenever the WiThin drops before I even think of making any decision to get rid of my EVO. I even still have my Epic sitting unactivated. Decisions decisions LOL
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[Q] srf 1.2 vs eg22 2.3.4

which rom will win the rom war?

Ill wait till acs tackles official gingerbread... should be fantastic given their work. Keep in mind I'm coming from the moment
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*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.

Phasma343 said:
*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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No phone is too hard to work on.
Some "developers" (I use that term very loosely) are just too lazy to accomplish things.

Apples/Oranges
SRF 1.2 is highly customized/optimized, GB is stock.

The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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it's supposed to cure 'gyne-syphi-herpe-l-aids'... (say it real fast.. it's almost all STDs LOL)..
actually, it's closest thing to a very customizable AOSP experience that can be had.
I also don't buy the whole 'too hard to work on' thing.. I just think there's not enough interest in developing or porting it to our device.. just my opinion.. there's plenty of demand, just not enough development interest. (or development collaboration ??.. i'm out of the loop, so i'm unsure)

The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.

im still feelin srf 1.2, cant wait for 1.3, thdy could get the best of both worlds would be great

Phasma343 said:
*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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Cyanogenmod is better than all roms??
Please send me the link to their previous works for the Epi...........oh wait.......haaaaa you almost had me!
A friendly jest
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Srf is my favorite, But I haven't used eg22 yet. I was spoiled when I first rooted my phone by acs/srf by konane and a very responsive impaler. I don't feel as much love over there but its still the best rom for the epic. That being said I ready to try eg22.
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Phasma343 said:
I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.
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I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.

Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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Eg22 ftw
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The Root said:
I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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Pretty much exactly how I feel about it as well. Just know its not the popular opinion 'round these parts.

OK, I dont understand the CM hype either, and no, havent used it, ill gladly try it if someone feels like doing it, but I dont think it was in the contract with our phone. I have seen multiple threads of various groups or individuals working on it, a version thrown in the trash (or just forgotten) because it didnt follow the CM guidelines or whatever (these are custom roms, right?)... regardless, most people who have recently worked on it have been waiting for whatever is a final source... froyo and GB are too close together to make it worth the time and effort to build something like that for the notorious level of appreciation for Epic Dev in general... maybe those who still give a crap at this point will do it when theres source and it can be done 'right'... but isnt the first rule of CM is to never talk about CM??? Maybe Devs have been annoyed off the project. I know I wouldnt want the entitled CM fanatics up on my nuts every five minutes... and this is not directed at those posting in favor of it, just overall interest in it since launch of this device. Or maybe the oh so amazingness of every device being the same should remain apples thing.... idunno... one rom to rule them all? Boring. MIUI?
But on topic, apples and oranges, all roms ymmv... kinda silly thread, but im glad the thought police have left the Epic building.

As mentioned, you're comparing a customized Syndicate rom to a stock Gingerbread rom. With different base structures. They can't be compared, although for your purposes I'd likely stick with Syndicate until they or others gain access to official source and pimp out their own Gingerbread.
As far as CyanogenMod, it was half-ported to the Epic some time ago.
Things that do NOT work :
GPS (Hm, I use my GPS a fair amount)
Camera (Well that's inconvenient, this is my most used camera)
Multimedia Messaging (How am I supposed to send all those pictures I can't take?)
Bluetooth In-Call (In an increasing amount of states, this is the only legal way to talk and drive)
WiMax 4G (I ACTUALLY work in a city where I get 4G)
The developers of CM7 have basically stated that they're too lazy to put any effort into this device until 2.3 officially drops. We'll see if they don't say the same things when that actually happens... But they're free people welcome to develop on whatever they want. The point is, there is no CM that compares with anything the Epic's dedicated developers have released.

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Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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These people are upset that the source isn't out. They had source from the froyo and eclair builds for their phone along with pretty decently documented RIL patches. None of the samsung phones have well documented RIL patches (well I guess the actual SGS does now)
The EpicCM team has stated that anyone can join the effort. I guess most of the devs in this forum are just ROM cooks though and don't know anything about actual coding. (getting my trollface and flamesuit on for that one)
I think they are really apples to oranges on all sides. SFR is a decent rom (well 1.1.1 is.) And fairly stable, but it still has samsung crap in it throughout all the frameworks etc. I came from a device that never had any bloatware stuff like touchwiz or sense. I think both are junk and get in my way more than help me.
SFR is a nice attempt at getting rid of a good portion of that, but still nowhere near an AOSP or CM build.
Also on that note CM is an actual build. Everything is compiled against the phone libs and not just modified and baked back into the rom. Not exactly a solid comparison, but I felt like trolling this thread a bit. I don't think SFR and stock Gingerbread is a good comparison either for similar reasons.
Other phones didn't have things written from the ground up. Certain files were kanged or already documented. HTC phones were already well documented in actual Android source with the G1. So the RIL was already in place with just minor changes needed. You are very mistaken in this. Infact if you look in the actual source code http://android.git.kernel.org/ you can see the script that is used to kang the files even.
It really has nothing to do with the partitions either. That was easy stuff. Obviously since CM6 and CM7 have both been able to boot. Again it has been the RIL stuff that has been the main obstacle in all of this from what I can tell in the github and following the actual development.
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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Can I ask you how you see it as overrated?
It is pretty close to AOSP. It pulls down AOSP code and gets modified a bit from there. Reality is it doesn't drift far from the AOSP code. The changes made are usually additional APK's. I would have to disagree with you on that one. If it doesn't full support the hardware it was on then it wasn't a stable build of CM. CM on my roommates Evo runs phenomenally and all of the hardware works well. The CM implementation of WiMAX is actually faster than HTC's.
You are right. Every ROM will have fans insisting it is the best. But I actually KNOW CM is the best /fanboy style posting

woooo... deep stuff, i see everybody's point

Is Evo 4g on its last breath?

With less and less devs working on the Evo 4G nowadays, I ask, is Evo 4G officially being forced to retire? I myself even went to check on upgrading to the 3VO. It's no fun without any new Roms to play with. Being a flashoholic, I'm suffering from withdrawal, and it's hard to deal with.

What exactly leads you to say that devs are no longer supporting the EVO 4G? The development forum seems as hopping as ever to me.

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What exactly leads you to say that devs are no longer supporting the EVO 4G? The development forum seems as hopping as ever to me.
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Check out the latest updates. I've seen only two in the last few days. Look at the 3D forum, it's on fire.

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Check out the latest updates. I've seen only two in the last few days. Look at the 3D forum, it's on fire.
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Newer devices are going to have more support than older.
However, it's also true that the source code for Gingerbread for the Evo was only released a few days ago.

This Guy must have missed the development thread....
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I don’t know, it looks like we shall be set free, in good time but in a "registered" kind of way. At least that is what I am getting from 3D forums and the f+Bk page.

I could be wrong about all of this, but to me, the writing is on the wall. I really feel the demise of EVO 4G, as far as development standpoint. The latest talks is that most of the devs are jumping ship. I mean, can you really blame them. Great phone that has been improved. I've even seen what could be called a collection plates to get certain devs 3VOs. No disrespect to anyone doing. Hard/good work should not go without its just reward.

I think there just isn't anything new really other then kernels no new OS atm to play we have sense up to 3.0 and why port much much more? I do see improvments in each ROM though just slower EVO 3d is hoping cause they don't have anything
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ckoadiyn said:
I think there just isn't anything new really other then kernels no new OS atm to play we have sense up to 3.0 and why port much much more? I do see improvments in each ROM though just slower EVO 3d is hoping cause they don't have anything
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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.

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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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I have to agree here. I think a lot of people have gotten into the habit of changing ROMs on a way too frequent basis, to the point where they're switching weekly with 4-6 Nandroid backups of different ROMs so they can jump around as much as they want.
That list above is the true goal of Android development. If I find a good ROM, and there's relatively little bugs (especially less than stock), looks great, gives me something flashy (like Sense 3.0) I can be satisfied for months at a time, not even updating most of that time.
Unless there is something that has yet to be perfected on the EVO, development could halt right now and it wouldn't hurt what we already have. Look at all the things that's been done for the EVO since release:
Wireless N
HDMI-to-TV mirroring
Hacked hotspot
Notification bar power controls
4G on CM7
Hacked Hulu (which is now pointless, but eh)
...and more I just can't remember right now because I haven't had my morning coffee yet. The EVO has actually evolved (no pun intended) over the last year and 2 months, and like any piece of hardware, we're going to reach the limits. But the EVO has shaped the future of Android forever, and that's what we need to remember most.
Our community has created some of the most amazing pieces of code Android has ever seen, and that will only get better with the 3D. Time to move on...if I had the money, I'd get the 3D too, but that's just because I can't root my replacement EVO...

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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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That is my point. We have reached the pinnacle, when it comes to development for the EVO. As a dev, why wouldn't you feel it's time to move on? Their work here is done. The writing is on the wall guys. The most they can do is make minor mods here. The next challenge is 3VO or some other device. I will not mention those other devices by name, I am EVO.

I think there's a huge difference between "end of dev cycle" and "device is on last breath".
Is your evo having any problems running anything? Are you not on the latest android 2.3.5?
CM still has nightlies, miui still has weeklies, only thing really slower is sense and the only one to blame there is htc (and possibly yourself for wasting your time with sense).
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I think there's a huge difference between "end of dev cycle" and "device is on last breath".
Is your evo having any problems running anything? Are you not on the latest android 2.3.5?
CM still has nightlies, miui still has weeklies, only thing really slower is sense and the only one to blame there is htc (and possibly yourself for wasting your time with sense).
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I completely agree here. My EVO is doing everything I could possibly want! We "may" be seeing the end of OS development for this phone, but now their concentrating on kernels now that the source has been out for a couple of weeks.

I think saying last breath is alittle strong. As far as anything else that can be developed rom-wise maybe. This is still going to be a serviceable phone for quite some time. If you are a person with flash issues you might have a problem. To me once kernels get perfected you shouldn't have to flash like a maniac anyway. Honestly I think the only other thing to perfect now is hdmi and personally I could care less but that's just me. I'm going 3d later this month and the Mrs gets my OG EVO. For her this will be a beast of a phone. Writing on the wall yes, last breath, far from it.
Peace

djwalter said:
I think saying last breath is alittle strong. As far as anything else that can be developed rom-wise maybe. This is still going to be a serviceable phone for quite some time. If you are a person with flash issues you might have a problem. To me once kernels get perfected you shouldn't have to flash like a maniac anyway. Honestly I think the only other thing to perfect now is hdmi and personally I could care less but that's just me. I'm going 3d later this month and the Mrs gets my OG EVO. For her this will be a beast of a phone. Writing on the wall yes, last breath, far from it.
Peace
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I do not believe this statement is too strong at all. Technology moves at a very rapid pace. Once something hits the shelves it's already old technology. Lets take the iPad (yes, I dare to mention this) for example. This was once a revolutionary product, except now, we have the Tablet, the Eee Pad, the iPad2, etc. You yourself even call it by the name OG EVO, which usually signifies something old. So yes, SIR, I do dare say that the EVO is on its last breath.
P.S Trade-in your EVO for a $125 credit toward the 3VO

I guess we look at last breath differently. To me last breath means no more support. Apps no longer supported etc. But we are different people and view things differently.
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HTC is now in violation of the GPL for the Evo Shift 4G 2.6.35 kernel source code

It's been 123 days since the release of Gingerbread:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...ad-update-now-available-for-htc-evo-shift-4g/
Now what?

file a formal complaint and watch nothing happen to good old HTC...my next device will now be a samsung, and i seen a commercial for the 3PiC Touch and i must say, it looks pretty tempting!

strapped365 said:
file a formal complaint and watch nothing happen to good old HTC...my next device will now be a samsung, and i seen a commercial for the 3PiC Touch and i must say, it looks pretty tempting!
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Touchwiz... ew. My next phone will probably be motorola. I heard they're pretty good.
Shifted from my EVO.

correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no specific time period that's stated in the GPL, right?
Don't get me wrong, it annoys me a bit, and I have no idea why it hasn't been released, but I believe there's a loophole in the GPL that allows such delay (I could be wrong of course, I haven't bothered to read it, and I don't really care enough to bother lol)
But you can bet I won't jump to a crappy feeling Samsung because of this. I cannot stand the feeling of a plastic phone. Heck, I'd switch to the iPhone before switching to a Samsung...and that's saying a lot

this isnt the first time they violated the release towards gpl. this has happened on several accounts now. i think a couple of times with T-mobile phones. but cant find proof. as far as i heard the usual max date is 90-120 days it should be and they cracked it with this.
But knowing my luck recently with phones it will be out as soon as i get the photon lol.. i was with HTC hero for a long time and they did absolutely nothing for like 4 months. i get htc evo and the next day they start cracking out massive updates on the hero lol. not that im complaing the evo was awesome.

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this isnt the first time they violated the release towards gpl. this has happened on several accounts now. i think a couple of times with T-mobile phones. but cant find proof. as far as i heard the usual max date is 90-120 days it should be and they cracked it with this.
But knowing my luck recently with phones it will be out as soon as i get the photon lol.. i was with HTC hero for a long time and they did absolutely nothing for like 4 months. i get htc evo and the next day they start cracking out massive updates on the hero lol. not that im complaing the evo was awesome.
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No reply on HTC USA's or HTC's facebook walls. Supposedly the time limit is 120 days.
Will be calling customer service tomorrow and asking to speak to a manager.
And yes, makes me want to get a Samsung but until they make something like the Shift, I will stay on the Shift. Also HTC build quality is unmatched. SHIFT 4 LYFE.

Htc got some explaining to do, what harm could it possibly do to release the source code for the shift :/ I mean honestly, ill be holding down the shift for a while for i just got it not long ago. Love the htc build also
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The shift is a great phone I'm not gonna jump ship for this, and it doesn't really bother me that htc hasn't released the code. If I need anything really badly, I just go to root. BFD....
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Start contacting the FSF's violation reporting division. Unlike us they have the legal man power and are the license enforcing entity of the GPL.
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At this point I'm guessing it was just lost and they were just hoping nobody would give a sh**
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I saw what I'm assuming is VICODAN's tweet garnered for a response from @htcdev on twitter:
This is currently available listed as "HTC EVO Shift 4G at Sprint – 2.6.32 kernel source code" on this page htcdev.com/devcenter/down…
He said "It's been 123 days since the Gingerbread release," which apparently means that the fine folks running @htcdev aren't actually developers at all. How else would they mistake the version number listed alongside a lot of the word "Froyo" with a gingerbread source?
Seriously, they got the freaking Merge source up before the EVO Shift. In what world does THAT make sense? …. well, no I can answer that. Probably the same world in which the TMo G2 gets its more-or-less vanilla 2.3.4 over a month after we got our Sense 2.3.3, and the same world in which an OS with major security flaws patched in a minor dot update and horrible performance-degrading "tweaks" counts as a valuable software upgrade.
I'm feeling pretty disillusioned with my choice of phone manufacturer these days.

nurrwick said:
I saw what I'm assuming is VICODAN's tweet garnered for a response from @htcdev on twitter:
This is currently available listed as "HTC EVO Shift 4G at Sprint – 2.6.32 kernel source code" on this page htcdev.com/devcenter/down…
He said "It's been 123 days since the Gingerbread release," which apparently means that the fine folks running @htcdev aren't actually developers at all. How else would they mistake the version number listed alongside a lot of the word "Froyo" with a gingerbread source?
Seriously, they got the freaking Merge source up before the EVO Shift. In what world does THAT make sense? …. well, no I can answer that. Probably the same world in which the TMo G2 gets its more-or-less vanilla 2.3.4 over a month after we got our Sense 2.3.3, and the same world in which an OS with major security flaws patched in a minor dot update and horrible performance-degrading "tweaks" counts as a valuable software upgrade.
I'm feeling pretty disillusioned with my choice of phone manufacturer these days.
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Didn't see their reply. Thanks, I just replied + trolled them.

No problem - it's been my experience that HTC's support for their products is a joke and that they're abusing the spirit of Free software to enable themselves to print money, and there's really no excuse for this crap to go on.
Anything I can do to help out, I will.

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At this point I'm guessing it was just lost and they were just hoping nobody would give a sh**
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my vote goes to you, because i think your 110% correct.

kyhassen said:
my vote goes to you, because i think your 110% correct.
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That would also explain the lack of updates to the device.

strapped365 said:
...my next device will now be a samsung
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I'm seriously doubting I'll buy another HTC device. The last 2 Nexus devices have been Samsung. HTC only cares about the customers who purchased the halo phones.

HTC released 6 source codes today. Unfortunately the Shift is not one of them...
HTCDEV
from the "CRACKED" Speedy EVO Engine...

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It's been 123 days since the release of Gingerbread
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The "90-120 days" line you get from HTC is pure BS. There is nothing in the GPL that allows a delay in releasing source code licensed under GPLv2. Source code should be made available as soon as the compiled code is released into the wild.
Their current line is that the legal department isn't done "grooming" the code, whatever that means... it's just another BS excuse.
EDIT ... more info:
HTC has decided to release source code under the terms of GPLv2 section 3(b). With that in mind, read the last paragraph in section 4.1.2 of this:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/compliance-guide.html said:
Finally, it is unacceptable to use option (b) merely because you do not have Corresponding Source ready. We find that some companies chose this option because writing an offer is easy, but producing a source distribution as an afterthought to a hasty development process is difficult. The offer for source does not exist as a stop-gap solution for companies rushing to market with an out-of-compliance product. If you ship an offer for source with your product but cannot actually deliver immediately on that offer when your customers receive it, you should expect an enforcement action.
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I did the best I could, posted a product support ticket asking them to release the 2.6.35 kernel source.
Thanks for noting this!

VICODANAX Dan M
@htcusa @htcdev You lost the Evo Shift 2.6.35 kernel source code didnt you.
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also glad to see some oldskool posters posting on here again