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[Q] Can the verizon Play be rooted at all? (in the future)

Hi everyone,
I'm a new smartphone user, but I finally got one in the form of the Xperia Play. Upon doing research on the phones, I find that I'd definitely like to root the phone, and seeing that Verizon made a change to their version made me sad. Now, as I got the phone a few days ago, I was wondering:
Can the Verizon version of the phone be even rooted? i.e., should I keep this phone and wait for someone to root the phone, or will this more than likely not ever happen and I should go back and exchange it for a different model?
Thank you for any information.
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I'm optimistic about GingerBreak being updated soon to allow root for the R800x. As of right now, version 1.2 just says "rooting" forever. I left it for 8 hours to no avail.

I believe it will be rooted with a future update for Gingerbreak.

Anything around will eventually get root. Its a fact of life basically
I'm willing to bet money that the verizon play will be rooted very soon.

RacecarBMW said:
Anything around will eventually get root. Its a fact of life basically
I'm willing to bet money that the verizon play will be rooted very soon.
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I have to agree with you. Even though it is frustrating right now that I don't have root I am willing to wait it out

Can't you flash to generic system image, then root?

Blagus said:
Can't you flash to generic system image, then root?
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Don't we have to have the BL unlocked in order to flash a generic image? Also I was checking out some of your post on the Arc forums I don't think Verizon is sim locked just CDMA and fastboot detects our phones just the unlock code doesn't work is there anyway the brute force or trick the phone to unlock? I would be willing try anything for the sake of the Verizon play's.

yes please please can we get some dev love on the verizon version of this phone.. I've had the phone 5 days and love the controls, but would like to see root access and all other types of goodies. Verizon is a bootloader locking b*tch, but there has to be someway around it. Unfortunately i think most of the devs on this phone aren't US/verizon customers so I don't think we're gonna see it too quick. I only have 9 more days to make a decision on whether or not to keep the phone or not...
Please if there is anyone reading this thread working on helping to crack this phone on Big Red please let us know... Unrooted + 3g reception issues might make me have to abandon one of the coolest phones i've ever owned...

Just take system.sin and loader.sin, make flash bundle and flash with flashtool. But be careful, if you don't have original Verizon's system.img, and you lose CDMA...

Blagus said:
Just take system.sin and loader.sin, make flash bundle and flash with flashtool. But be careful, if you don't have original Verizon's system.img, and you lose CDMA...
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Wouldn't this require us to have unlocked bootloaders? Currently you can't get that on VZW/CDMA to my knowledge.

ryocoon said:
Wouldn't this require us to have unlocked bootloaders? Currently you can't get that on VZW/CDMA to my knowledge.
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Flashtool can be used with a locked bootloader (see link below). Just put your phone into update mode just like you would with SEUS, and load your FTF file on the phone.
The trick is getting the generic UK R800i firmware to work correctly on the Verizon R800x. Nobody has done it, so there is the possibility of the CDMA radio not working after flashing (and other things may not work either). And AFIAK there is no R800x FTF file out there you can use to go back. But the R800i generic UK 2.3.2 firmware is rootable, so it could potentially be one way to do it.
It is possible to load the generic R800i UK 2.3.2 build on a Canadian Rogers branded/locked R800a, so theoretically it could potentially be a viable alternative
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108239

Yeah, cross-flashing is possible but there's possibility of loosing CDMA.
But I doubt this will happen since amss/radio is not located in /system, only some radio-related files which shouldn't affect this.
Anyways, grab /system/build.prop and if you'll need to go back, restore it, chmod 777, reboot phone, turn off, run SEUS.

[Q] Super noob needs a help here!

Back in old days when i had a HTC Wildfire with a few clicks i rooted it and started installing new ROMS on to it
But since i got this New Xperia Play : R800i Build NO. 3.0.1.a.0.146 {UK}
I got no clue how to do anything on it. Let me be honest here... I updated my phone using the option under the settings menu in About my phone and seems to be on 2.3.3 and look all my friends have rooted their phones but i got no clue if its even possible . Mabey im not such a noob or something but i would be really greatfull if anyoen could point me atleast to the right direction. Mabey some helpfull links to help a fellow noob

Is your phone sim locked?
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Nope... Well not that i know of, because i got my phone from vodafone and once i inserted a sim card from another operator i made a few calls and i could recieve calls too without any problems.

arian009 said:
Nope... Well not that i know of, because i got my phone from vodafone and once i inserted a sim card from another operator i made a few calls and i could recieve calls too without any problems.
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Mine was from vodafone and wasnt sim locked either. Ok you have two choices for root. You can either unlock your bootloader (there are many downsides and advantages to this so you should research it) or downgrade to 2.3.2, root using gingerbreak then OTA update to latest version. That way you will not loose root while updating.
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Seems like ol' Freddy is right after all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return

What OTA Update Means? And please can you give some links on how to downgrade and root it please?

And btw if i use the method of downgrading my phone first will i be able to flash custom ROMs?

Logseman said:
Seems like ol' Freddy is right after all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return
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Lmao
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arian009 said:
What OTA Update Means? And please can you give some links on how to downgrade and root it please?
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Im on my phone so i can't really link. Look in the android development section, there is a thread all about rooting 2.3.3 with a locked bootloader. OTA means over the air. Basically thats when you download and install an update using just your phone.
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arian009 said:
And btw if i use the method of downgrading my phone first will i be able to flash custom ROMs?
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No you need an unlocked bootloader to flash custom roms. But please read the pros and cons of unlocking your bootloader first. And understand what you can and can't do
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Ok mate just wanna say thanks a lot for your help and i really appreciate it. You really helped me out here. also just one more thing i need to know. By the looks of it the only cons in unlocking your bootloader seems to be that you will lose warranty and that your phone or your radio may get bricked which apparently can be fixed with restoring a backed up data using a program named omnius for se which i'm actually working on... however my only other concern is if there are any other disadvantages regarding the unblocking the bootloader that you happned to know of and be kind to share it with me Also just wanna say that i can see many tutorials as you said in the development section and i quite frankly i don't know which one applies to me since i realized one of the tutorials are for models with build number .184 where as mine is 3.0.1.a.0.145 AND I HAVE NO CLUE WHICH TUTORIAL TO FOLLOW. So i would be greatfull if you could lend me link to a right tutorial whenever you get free time on the PC

If all you want is root you can do that with a locked bootloader. You will have to downgrade to 2.3.2 (.184) then root then ota to get the latest firmware rooted. Follow the guide here. Or see this post i made here for easier instuctions on downgrading and rooting.
If you want to flash custom roms then you do need an unlocked bootloader like AndroHero has said. You dont need a specific guide to unlock your bootloader. Just go too the SE bootloader unlocking site (it gives you all the instructions you need) http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/. Then just flash doomlords kernel (which autoroots) or anything really from the development section (since i think anything can be rooted with one click with an unlocked bootloader) you will then have root and the ability to flash cutom roms.
Oh btw build number .184 = 2.3.2, build number 3.0.1.a.0.145 = 2.3.3 and build number 4.0.a = 2.3.3 (xloud version, the latest update)
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If you unlock your bootloader OTA, Pc Companion + SEUS are off limits use any of them after unlocking your bootloader and you will brick your phone. Go to the dev section for the latest updates.

Logseman said:
Seems like ol' Freddy is right after all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return
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Looks like I've overseen your sense of humor... Very subtle... Wicked
Regards Dousan...

You won't allow me to get rowdy and yell at folks, so I have to resort to good old snark. Caveat emptor.

Dousan said:
Looks like I've overseen your sense of humor... Very subtle... Wicked
Regards Dousan...
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Logseman said:
You won't allow me to get rowdy and yell at folks, so I have to resort to good old snark. Caveat emptor.
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I got it straight away

Logseman said:
You won't allow me to get rowdy and yell at folks, so I have to resort to good old snark. Caveat emptor.
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Lmao I can't argue with that, althoug it's sneaky to post a link like that, still hilarious
Regards Dousan...

Eris gets official bootloader unlock support from HTC

See tweet here: https://twitter.com/#!/htcdev/status/169946512019816448 and official booloader unlock page here: http://htcdev.com/bootloader
The Eris can now have its bootloader officially unlocked. Mine already is, so I haven't tried this myself.

Wow... Talk about too little too late. ROFL
Sent from my Sabotaged Droid Incredible 2.

Interesting process to say the least. According to this:
http://htcdev.com/bootloader/preview_unlock_process
you register an "account" with them (email and password), send them your device ID, and they "give you instructions" and a passcode of some sort which is unique to your handset.
(A PC with working drivers and fastboot is required).
Also, from the link which doogald provided, note the asterisk after Droid Eris indicating that a "a bootloader upgrade is required".
Also note this interesting tidbit from the HTCdev FAQ (See the very last item):
[SIZE=+1]Why is my security still on (S-On) after I have unlocked my bootloader?[/SIZE]
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. You can easily see that you have successfully unlocked the bootloader by looking at the top of the screen when entering the bootloader screen. Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
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Well, I am going to register, and we'll see what we get...

It delivers an RUU with ROM version 2.41.605 - that's useful, as I believe that's one nobody has had before.
[edit] Scratch that - the RUU is 6.1 MB, so it must be just the bootloader and not the actual software
Also, the instructions for installing say that you must install HTC Sync first, and give an HTC web site that is supposed to have it - but they do not list the Eris in the models on the site.

doogald said:
It delivers an RUU with ROM version 2.41.605 - that's useful, as I believe that's one nobody has had before.
[edit] Scratch that - the RUU is 6.1 MB, so it must be just the bootloader and not the actual software
Also, the instructions for installing say that you must install HTC Sync first, and give an HTC web site that is supposed to have it - but they do not list the Eris in the models on the site.
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Perchance did you start the RUU and pull the "rom.zip" file out (of the temp folder)? We can probably find the bootloader version number easily from there.

What is the use? I don't see it....

That's what I was thinking. The super one click method for the Eris is the best rooting and s off method I have seen for any phone.
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bftb0 said:
Perchance did you start the RUU and pull the "rom.zip" file out (of the temp folder)? We can probably find the bootloader version number easily from there.
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No, let's take a look, though. Back in a bit.

Bootloader file name is hboot_7501a_1.51.0000_111229.nb0
So, I'm thinking that makes the bootloader version 1.51.0000?
I guess the next thing is to extract that and fastboot flash it, huh?

doogald said:
Bootloader file name is hboot_7501a_1.51.0000_111229.nb0
So, I'm thinking that makes the bootloader version 1.51.0000?
I guess the next thing is to extract that and fastboot flash it, huh?
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From the FAQ on the HTC site, it would appear that it is going to be a S-ON bootloader, so reversing that flash back to 1.49.20000 may be impossible.
I've got a spare eris with a wonky digitizer that I don't care what happens to it at this time.
But - as others mentioned - it does seem a bit academic at this point.
Can you post the rom.zip file? I'm betting it's small enough to be a post attachment.
bftb0

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But - as others mentioned - it does seem a bit academic at this point.
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Right. I'm not quite sure why they bothered - the current bootloader is rootable, doesn't block kernel flashes - what's the point of a new BL with S-ON? I was curious, though, to see what they were going to deliver. I'm going to keep stock on the phone to see if they ever deliver an OTA update, though.
Can you post the rom.zip file? I'm betting it's small enough to be a post attachment.
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It's attached.

What ota update is that? The one for the bootloader update?
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disconnecktie said:
What ota update is that? The one for the bootloader update?
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Right. When you run the RUU it goes through all of the steps and then fails at the end, with an error message that says that the current ROM is not supported (my phone had the latest March 2011 OTA installed), but that an update would be available soon that will be supported. It says that there will be a message on the phone, so I assume it's a new OTA.

Hey discon, I used that same app on my Wife's Eris and i didn't get s-off. I miss something? LMAO
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I could of swore that app gives s off..... Im probably wrong. I haven't turned that thing on since I got my dinc2. Sorry for any confusion. I know I've flashed different radios with that phone though.
Sent from my Sabotaged Droid Incredible 2.

Man, turn me on to them...all I can find is two of them and would like more to test out on my Wife's Eris.....

I think radios from the hero work but you might wanna research first
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Thanks
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Ok I did some looking and the Eris did get s off and mine is s off. There is a specific h boot that has to be flashed but you have to have a specific version starting to do it. Plus flashing a bootloader is very risky and is the easiest way to brick your phone.
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[Q] Arc s on 3

I have an Arc s using the 3 branded 4.0.4 (4.1.L.0.8) firmware and have wanted to root and unlock the boot loader for ages. The problem is that I don't know the best method of unlocking the boot loader and root the phone. Was wondering if someone could send me in the right direction or give me a good tutorial on how to go from the very basic no root stock firmware to having the phone rooted with the boot loader unlocked would be great if someone if able to help me.

totalfailz said:
I have an Arc s using the 3 branded 4.0.4 (4.1.L.0.8) firmware and have wanted to root and unlock the boot loader for ages. The problem is that I don't know the best method of unlocking the boot loader and root the phone. Was wondering if someone could send me in the right direction or give me a good tutorial on how to go from the very basic no root stock firmware to having the phone rooted with the boot loader unlocked would be great if someone if able to help me.
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See the first link in my signature.

XperienceD said:
See the first link in my signature.
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haha love it xD

totalfailz said:
haha love it xD
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Now that's out of the way, read the stickys, although you seem to have new F.W so it might be rootable using the existing methods or you may need to wait until someone figures out how to root it. Bootloader unlocking is the same regardless of firmware.

totalfailz said:
I have an Arc s using the 3 branded 4.0.4 (4.1.L.0.8) firmware and have wanted to root and unlock the boot loader for ages. The problem is that I don't know the best method of unlocking the boot loader and root the phone. Was wondering if someone could send me in the right direction or give me a good tutorial on how to go from the very basic no root stock firmware to having the phone rooted with the boot loader unlocked would be great if someone if able to help me.
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I have (nearly) the same phone, also on 3 (rant to follow!). In short, your bootloader cannot be unlocked without paying someone to do it for you (around £15). You can still use custom roms (via CWM recovery) without an unlocked bootloader, so IMHO not really worth it. I was waiting for a former member of XDA to unlock my phone for around a week (we weren't free at the same times, etc) and in the end didn't bother.
There may be other ways, but personally I used this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1683189, but for ease of use, the toolkit from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601038. Bascially, you need to flash the 4.0.3 kernel using flashtool, use DooMLoRD's kit to root the device, then flash the 4.0.4 kernel back again. After that, you can get CWM recovery from the market, and use that with any rom suitable for locked bootloaders.
BTW, 3 are absolutely the WORST network in the UK, just got off the phone arguing with them about them cutting all 2G services (i now realise why my reception has been so bad for the past 6 months!) while also raising the price of my packages, all without warning.

XTCrefugee said:
I have (nearly) the same phone, also on 3 (rant to follow!). In short, your bootloader cannot be unlocked without paying someone to do it for you (around £15). You can still use custom roms (via CWM recovery) without an unlocked bootloader, so IMHO not really worth it. I was waiting for a former member of XDA to unlock my phone for around a week (we weren't free at the same times, etc) and in the end didn't bother.
There may be other ways, but personally I used this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1683189, but for ease of use, the toolkit from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601038. Bascially, you need to flash the 4.0.3 kernel using flashtool, use DooMLoRD's kit to root the device, then flash the 4.0.4 kernel back again. After that, you can get CWM recovery from the market, and use that with any rom suitable for locked bootloaders.
BTW, 3 are absolutely the WORST network in the UK, just got off the phone arguing with them about them cutting all 2G services (i now realise why my reception has been so bad for the past 6 months!) while also raising the price of my packages, all without warning.
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thanks! just the reply I was looking for . I have had no problems on 3, the service and the network has been great for me. I just hate that I am not able to use Sony's method of unlocking the boot loader due to being on 3's branded firmware >.<

totalfailz said:
thanks! just the reply I was looking for . I have had no problems on 3, the service and the network has been great for me. I just hate that I am not able to use Sony's method of unlocking the boot loader due to being on 3's branded firmware >.<
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Doesn't flashing generic firmware solve the bootloader-issue?

Curst said:
Doesn't flashing generic firmware solve the bootloader-issue?
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No.

totalfailz said:
I have an Arc s using the 3 branded 4.0.4 (4.1.L.0.8) firmware and have wanted to root and unlock the boot loader for ages. The problem is that I don't know the best method of unlocking the boot loader and root the phone. Was wondering if someone could send me in the right direction or give me a good tutorial on how to go from the very basic no root stock firmware to having the phone rooted with the boot loader unlocked would be great if someone if able to help me.
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I have 3 also in Sweden, but Alejanrissimo (a guy in the forum) unlocked the bootloader for me remotely and now it is very good. I can flash ROM, kernel, get easy root etc.
I payed 19 US dollars over PayPal and after 10 minutes (with some paper clip operation stuff) my phone was unlocked, even the SIM was unlocked too. :good:
I can still use PCC and SEUS and the TrackID is also still there.

Unlocked bootloader logo removed in JB

I WILL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR PHONE CAUSED BY THE INFORMATION POSTED HERE. THIS IS NOT A TUTORIAL.
First of all , i know there is a thread about removing the Unlocked bootloader logo. This thread is started just to present some information based on my personal experience.
I owe a Motorola Razr I with unlocked bootloader :laugh:.......
A couple of weeks ago i decided to come back to ICS from the JB fastboot i was using(orange UK). Instead of using fastboot files made by mattlgroff I decided to fully flash the original ICS firmware for my phone using RSDlite. After the firmware was flashed i pushed the signed logo to the device.Of course the phone didn't finish booting and got stuck in bootloop. My phone became then a brick with a black screen and green led and i had to use the files from here to unbrick my phone. Big thanks to U1138 for finding the solution for unbricking.
When my phone phone finally booted i was so excited i didn't realize the ugly Bootloader unlocked logo is gone. I realized that yesterday while restarting the device and thought it's good to share it with everyone else and maybe will find a way for everyone to get rid of the ugly message on the boot screen.

free2live said:
I WILL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR PHONE CAUSED BY THE INFORMATION POSTED HERE. THIS IS NOT A TUTORIAL.
First of all , i know there is a thread about removing the Unlocked bootloader logo. This thread is started just to present some information based on my personal experience.
I owe a Motorola Razr I with unlocked bootloader :laugh:.......
A couple of weeks ago i decided to come back to ICS from the JB fastboot i was using(orange UK). Instead of using fastboot files made by mattlgroff I decided to fully flash the original ICS firmware for my phone using RSDlite. After the firmware was flashed i pushed the signed logo to the device.Of course the phone didn't finish booting and got stuck in bootloop. My phone became then a brick with a black screen and green led and i had to use the files from here to unbrick my phone. Big thanks to U1138 for finding the solution for unbricking.
When my phone phone finally booted i was so excited i didn't realize the ugly Bootloader unlocked logo is gone. I realized that yesterday while restarting the device and thought it's good to share it with everyone else and maybe will find a way for everyone to get rid of the ugly message on the boot screen.
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Is it still working after several reboots?

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So you suggest going back to ICS, bricking your device, unbricking it and flashing JB again in order to get rid of the bootloader logo?

Orbbman said:
So you suggest going back to ICS, bricking your device, unbricking it and flashing JB again in order to get rid of the bootloader logo?
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I'm not suggesting anything. Only if you know what you are doing you can try it and even then take extra caution. It might be just a particular case.
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Thorstenk said:
Is it still working after several reboots?
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Yes mate. I have like this for more than 1 week and i do reboot my device quite often due to poor network signal at my work.
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here's a short video to proof the unlocked bootloader message is gone

I am not a hundred perent sure of that, but I think this worked on your device because you unlocked your bootloader while on ICS then, upgraded to JB using matt's fastboot.
For someone who upgraded to JB using the OTA and only then unlocked their bootloader, this won't work because the motoboot file version is already the highest (homemade fastboot does not flash motoboot, that's why you were able to flash after a downgrade)

JackyJack said:
I am not a hundred perent sure of that, but I think this worked on your device because you unlocked your bootloader while on ICS then, upgraded to JB using matt's fastboot.
For someone who upgraded to JB using the OTA and only then unlocked their bootloader, this won't work because the motoboot file version is already the highest (homemade fastboot does not flash motoboot, that's why you were able to flash after a downgrade)
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It maybe be possible. I did unlock bootloader while on ICS
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Anyone can confirm that intentionally bricking the phone by downgrading to ICS and reviving it deletes the unlocked sign?

Don't work with me

my logo returned to normal after restoring Pi-llama rom through cwm.

Could you be a bit more precise?
What do you mean with normal, no unlocked bootloader message left?
And what do you mean with restored?
Thanks!
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my logo returned to normal after restoring Pi-llama rom through cwm.
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Thorstenk said:
Could you be a bit more precise?
What do you mean with normal, no unlocked bootloader message left?
And what do you mean with restored?
Thanks!
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i unlocked my bootloader on ics telcel then went to 320002e.u. and did an update to 40002e.u.and my sing of unlocked bootloader disappear. but i hate is reading the warning message of unlocked bootloader in jelly bean how can i eraseed that.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2226504
Yes, its for unlocking the bootloaders for the Snapdragon Motorolas (Atrix HD, RAZR HD and RAZR M) but after unlocking their bootloaders the same message appears (the same that we have), @tucstwo has provided a file to remove the unlocked message for these phones, I don't know if that zip could be compatible with the RAZR i, but giving the fact that the zip file removes the unlocked message for these phones ALREADY RUNNING JELLY BEAN, maybe someone can give a try and see what happens...
Link of the zip file is on the 2nd post.

don't work...

LOL try some king of custom upgrade we known that we have some chance of brick our phone and we get this risk like a bet with more chance to win, but intencionally brick the phone that cost here in brazil more than $500 we have to be a great crazy.

Does this also work on ICS?

AGISCI said:
Does this also work on ICS?
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I can't tell you if it works or no. This is what happened to me not a tutorial.
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matheusgallo said:
Don't work with me
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Did anybody try this method?
http://androidforums.com/motorola-razr-i/700911-bootloader-unlocked-under-jb.html

piskr said:
Did anybody try this method?
http://androidforums.com/motorola-razr-i/700911-bootloader-unlocked-under-jb.html
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Yes! It dont work. Do not even try!