I realize I could probably find the answer to this question by digging around but just really quickly can someone tell me... if I have rooted my atrix and am running on ginngerblur... am I able to just download the update and install it with no consequences(besides losing root which sux ass)... because I am seeing all this RSD lite and soft bricking stuff which I am not familiar with at all.. so with a simple yes or no can someone please tell me if it is safe to just download the update thank you.. VERY much in advance...
yes it is safe to update, but it can/will be unsafe if in the future you try to downgrade. This is just the way the new update works is you go for the official update you will lose the ability to downgrade. If that does not bother you then go for it.
I think gingerblur adds mods for the hdmi mirror and webtop with out a dock. So I dont think it will update. It will probably fail to install. Could be wrong though because new update include webtop etc...
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I think I read that the over the air method won't work..
Yes, if you have a PC just go this link and follow intructions... Only downfall after update to the GB is YOU WILL NOT ABLE to DOWNGRADE by any MOTO standard (RSD/MSU) but if you unlock the bootloader you can do what ever you want go back and foward....
"http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motosupport/source/SoftwareUpdateSummary.asp?country=USA&language=ENS&web_page_name=SUPPORT&strCarrierId=ATT&strPhone=Motorola%20ATRIX%28TM%29%204G&strCable=Micro%20USB%20Data%20Cable&strURL=https://rsddownload.motorola.com/download5/SoftwareUpdateforATTATRIX4Gversion.4.5.91.pdf"
You need a clean 4.1.83 to ensure being trouble free with the OTA.
ANY mods can cause the upgrade to fail. Motorola has said this over and over.
As stated above, I would do the hard wire update. I created a thread with a link here"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1185322
Thanks a lot for the answers guys....that's why I love this community .... and j think I will wait a bit to upgrade... I have gingerblur it is great for now... I don't think I'm really missing anything....tho
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okay guys, I tried to figure this out without bothering yall, but my newb knowledge is limited and I'm confused as hell. I was planning on rooting my phone today after reading about all the information I've been collecting from you guys, but now that I have updated my phone, will Toast's method using those files still allow me to root? Or do I need new files in order to root my phone? I see some files on developer page on new root but I'm confused if those are for phones already rooted or not...ahhhh
so I guess I'm asking is..if you have stock phone with new update applied, how do I go about rooting my evo?
We don't know yet. You should not have updated.
Quick and straight to the point, thanks for your reply. I guess I'm a motherfreakin idiot with the worst timing in the world for things like this. FML
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We don't know yet. You should not have updated.
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quick question; if i root with Toast's method, then install the rooted updated rom that's in the dev section (by Calkulin), that should be fine, right?
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quick question; if i root with Toast's method, then install the rooted updated rom that's in the dev section (by Calkulin), that should be fine, right?
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So in order to fully root and nand unlock stock evo with new update, all I have to do is follow Toast's step 1&2 then apply the new rooted update on developer site? just wanna get things crystal clear so I don't risk bricking my evo..
I don't know or think it has been confirmed to work with the new update yet.
Toast step 1 will root the phone
Toast step 2 will unlock nand
Installing the new rooted update will flash the stock sprint rom without breaking your root.
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So in order to fully root and nand unlock stock evo with new update, all I have to do is follow Toast's step 1&2 then apply the new rooted update on developer site? just wanna get things crystal clear so I don't risk bricking my evo..
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No. We don't even know if you can use Toast's method to root it. You can be the guinea pig and post results, though!
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yup.
Toast step 1 will root the phone
Toast step 2 will unlock nand
Installing the new rooted update will flash the stock sprint rom without breaking your root.
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There is some info going around in dev forum saying Toast's method will not work if you have the new OTA update applied on stock EVO saying you will get error messages and stuff although it will not brick your phone which is adding to more confusion..
has anyone successfully rooted their stock evo with new OTA update applied? or do I need to wait until devs come up with new files needed to root the evo?
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There is some info going around in dev forum saying Toast's method will not work if you have the new OTA update applied on stock EVO saying you will get error messages and stuff although it will not brick your phone which is adding to more confusion..
has anyone successfully rooted their stock evo with new OTA update applied? or do I need to wait until devs come up with new files needed to root the evo?
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All you have to do is place a file in the root of your SD card and reboot the phone. Try it out and post your results!
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Quick and straight to the point, thanks for your reply. I guess I'm a motherfreakin idiot with the worst timing in the world for things like this. FML
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You and me both my friend, you and me both. Sat there as the update came up and thought, I bet this is going to prevent me from rooting today ...
Yeah, ALL root is broken if you install the OTA.
Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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They're busy working on the kernel. Everybody was warned not to accept the OTA and those of us that chose to do it have to lie in our beds until the developers get around to it.
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They're busy working on the kernel. Everybody was warned not to accept the OTA and those of us that chose to do it have to lie in our beds until the developers get around to it.
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Seems like that is the case, someone from dev forum suggested that downgrading the OTA to previous one then rooting might wield some fruit, If I can figure out how to do that I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig for you guys.
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All you have to do is place a file in the root of your SD card and reboot the phone. Try it out and post your results!
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I'm not quite sure which file you're talking about, could you elaborate some more?
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Okay so I've been digging around and asking questions in dev forum, seems like there is no way for Stock EVO with OTA update to root their EVO yet. What bothers me is that I haven't seen a single post from a dev announcing that they are working on new root methods for Stock EVO with new OTA update.. they seem to be more concerned about fixing the issue around previously rooted EVOs, and I'm afraid we are getting left out... I hope this isn't the case, and hopefully one of our brilliant devs will give the new stock evo with OTA update owners some attention to this matter.
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They busted their asses to get root the first time, and, as of right now, every EVO that you buy is capable of being rooted. Only people who update without heeding the warnings are affected, so it is kind of hard to convince a dev to throw down all of their current work to go back and try to solve this AGAIN. It should be a general rule of thumb that you NEVER install manufacturer's updates on any piece of electronics that you are interested in hacking/modifying/changing in any way. 99% of the time they provide some kind of security fixes that are not announced.
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Seems like that is the case, someone from dev forum suggested that downgrading the OTA to previous one then rooting might wield some fruit, If I can figure out how to do that I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig for you guys.
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It doesn't work. I've already tried it. The bootloader is locked.
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They busted their asses to get root the first time, and, as of right now, every EVO that you buy is capable of being rooted. Only people who update without heeding the warnings are affected, so it is kind of hard to convince a dev to throw down all of their current work to go back and try to solve this AGAIN. It should be a general rule of thumb that you NEVER install manufacturer's updates on any piece of electronics that you are interested in hacking/modifying/changing in any way. 99% of the time they provide some kind of security fixes that are not announced.
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I have no doubt in my mind the devs are doing everything they can to provide us with their brilliant work, I have no one but myself to blame for updating the OTA without heeding their warnings. I'm sure once the devs iron out all the issues with previously rooted system, they will get around to us as they always have. I just wish there was any way I can contribute to putting some light onto this matter for those who made the mistake of updating their OTA..
Yeah, was kicking myself as I knew it was a mistake.
Am willing to try out some ish too, that is if an extra Guinea is needed.
We all know that the new update will come soon.
But does everyone know that it looks like with the new update we won't be allowed to flash back to older versions of the software. We won't be able to downgrade to a previous version it seems, due to journaling being enabled. We will lose functionality.
Does anybody know what this would mean for rooting and mods?
Is this something that we would have to be concerned about?
Speaking in purely speculation here, wouldn't it be beneficial to at least try the previous "retain root" strategy? It's possibly, though incredibly unlikely, that they haven't fixed that loophole yet. Might as well also try Gingerbreak on it too.
In the long run though, someone will eventually crack it it. It's inevitable really. And with Motorola claiming that the bootloader will be unlocked later this year, perhaps patience is really what we all need.
Gingerbreak should work fine because its not a logic crack such as psneuter its an overflow crack. Retain root should also work but Im not sure about that.
A good rule of thumb is to let others who are either developers or brave souls update and report back what can and can't be done after an update. If you want to retain what freedom you have with your Atrix to date, do not update until official word comes from enlightened.
Dont worry the minute the new update rolls out, im going to try to root it using gingerbreak
Heh, I plan to just go ahead with it. The only root apps I really use anyway are TB and screenshot stuffs and I can live without GingerBlur. Especially since they allow you to simply uninstall the AT&T apps ^^
Speaking of which, what do you guys think, should we flash a fresh SBF before updating if we've already flashed a pseudo-ROM?
Fresh start so we don't bash the new update caused by a third party app or mod, good luck
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Heh, I plan to just go ahead with it. The only root apps I really use anyway are TB and screenshot stuffs and I can live without GingerBlur. Especially since they allow you to simply uninstall the AT&T apps ^^
Speaking of which, what do you guys think, should we flash a fresh SBF before updating if we've already flashed a pseudo-ROM?
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There is an screenshot app that doesn't need root - screen grabber - on the forum and in the market.
As for SBF before an update - based on past experience, you have to. The udpate will fail with the yellow triangle if you don't.
DON'T UPDATE YET. we need the time to analyze it. It is suggested this update modifies the bootloader to disallow flashing back to a previous version.
I'm aware of the conditions. They'll either crack it eventually or I can just wait for the bootloader unlock. I don't need root. Losing Amazon would be annoying though.
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DON'T UPDATE YET. we need the time to analyze it. It is suggested this update modifies the bootloader to disallow flashing back to a previous version.
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This is actually my biggest concern...
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I am trying to get my phone to update with no luck. I spent about an hour on the phone with Motorola trying to see if they could just push updates to my phone and apparently this is not an option. They say it shows my phone is up to date.
I currently am on 2.2.1 system version 4.1.52 which is not supported on their website to do any kind of updates. I am using a Mac and Motorola has mac compatible stuff on their website. Can anyone please direct me to something as simple as what is on Motorolas website? I would like to get 2.3.
when I go into my phone and check for updates, it says I am already up to date. Has anyone else had this issue? I have searched on here and 2-3 other forums and cannot find a solution to my problem. Motorola said I could send them my phone and they could update it, but I am trying to avoid having to do that.
PS: I am not familiar with this stuff so if you could dumb down your responses I would greatly appreciate it
thats because 4.1.52 isnt an OFFICIAL ota man..
you have to downgrade your device to 1.26 ota to > 1.57 ota to > 1.83 ota to> 4.5.91 Gingerbread.
well that makes sense. It would have been nice if Motorola could have told me that.
Is there an easy way to get 1.26 on my phone with a macbook?
Not that I know of. I could be wrong. But using RSD on a windows PC is super easy to downgrade your device.
I dug around for you, and may be able to help...The previous poster is right, you can't be on 4.1.52 in order to receive updates. You need to flash an official OTA first. On mac, use this guide...I don't have a mac, never used this guide, can't guarantee it...but just read the thread a little bit to know all you need to know
You can go here to select the SBF of your choosing I suppose... or, in the Development Section, maybe read about the Pudding thread, and see if you want to unlock your bootloader or not.
Lemme know if you have any more specific questions...Like I said, I haven't been in your situation and don't know every detail, but I could help you get in the right direction.
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I dug around for you, and may be able to help...The previous poster is right, you can't be on 4.1.52 in order to receive updates. You need to flash an official OTA first. On mac, use this guide...I don't have a mac, never used this guide, can't guarantee it...but just read the thread a little bit to know all you need to know
You can go here to select the SBF of your choosing I suppose... or, in the Development Section, maybe read about the Pudding thread, and see if you want to unlock your bootloader or not.
Lemme know if you have any more specific questions...Like I said, I haven't been in your situation and don't know every detail, but I could help you get in the right direction.
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cool thank you! I read through that stuff and dont feel comfortable doing it. I gave my atrix to a co-worker. He is going to flash it to 4.1.26 and then hopefully update to gingerbread after that.
I appreciate the help guys
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cool thank you! I read through that stuff and dont feel comfortable doing it. I gave my atrix to a co-worker. He is going to flash it to 4.1.26 and then hopefully update to gingerbread after that.
I appreciate the help guys
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Haha no worries. Are you sure this is a trustworthy co worker?
But yeah, I understand not feeling comfortable...if you read through it all and make sure you know what COULD go wrong, it's all easier than you think. Just for future reference
So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is no solution to root a TP that's already applied the 2.0 update?
I've tried the root methods already obtainable on here and they don't work. I'm guessing (more hoping) that someone is working on finding a solution.
Makes me sad. A co-worker updated it for me because "it said it needed to update it so I did it for you"... *sigh*
OTA2 removed the exploit unless you were already rooted and used Voodoo Rootkeeper to maintain root during the update. I haven't heard the outcome with regards to 2.5. I don't want to risk root so won't be updating unless it's safe.
2.5 is out ? which your version of tablet ?
16gb us. Was delivered last week.
Yeah, I didn't have it rooted before so yeah.
Either people like us find a way to downgrade or wait until a new exploit is found. The former seems easier but my knowledge of these things isn't very high...
Yeah, I'm not sure how to either. I'm good at following directions but when a "friend" upgrades your device for you...
As for downgrading, I don't think that'll be an option until someone finds a Lenovo rom flash utility.
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16gb us. Was delivered last week.
Yeah, I didn't have it rooted before so yeah.
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2. 5 was not available to US last week. How did you get it? Supposedly it's still going through certification. 0086_US is 2.0. What version are you?
Oh hell.... I've been reading too many posts on the Lenovo forums. My apologies, I am running OTA 2.0 NOT 2.5. I will correct my first post and title.
I'm running ThinkPadTablet_A310_02_0039_0086_US.
Okay. Thanks. No worries, but was scratching my head, looking puzzled.
Haha! I can understand. I have that look a lot sadly. I appreciate you telling me as I had no clue as to what exactly I was saying.
Now, if anyone knows someone on the inside at Lenovo that could get the flash utility...
LOL If only.
And now we wait. Did NOT expect CM9 to come out so fast and be working so didn't care much for root otherwise. Oh well, that was my fault and I knew I'd lose root for the time being. Now I wait patiently, since the primary work of the developers now is making CM9 to work properly so w/e.
Why isn't there a way to downgrade the rom to 075? The tab has a recovery boot. If it could be downgraded, it could then be rooted , then updated.
No way to downgrade, unless you know something the rest of us are unaware of. There's a bunch of folks that either can't root at all, or took OTA2 before getting root/without preserving root. We've been told that there's nothing to be done for the time being.
I don't know how to do it, but I know that's how other tabs got around the problem. I only say it in case someone does.
AFAIK, the problem is the recovery's signature check.. if it recognizes that the update.zip to flash is older than the build actually installed, it won't install the new ROM.
Thanks. Noob enough that I couldn't explain it, just knew it doesn't work.
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AFAIK, the problem is the recovery's signature check.. if it recognizes that the update.zip to flash is older than the build actually installed, it won't install the new ROM.
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I wonder what it takes to defeat the check? There must be an update script that performs that check. Editing elements of the update script has been the key to other "can't be done" situations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22918839[WIP][4.0.3]ICS CM9 ThinkPad Tablet PORT
I'm going to keep putting forth suggestions instead of claiming something can't be done. Afterall, the point of this entire forum is to work togther to overcome obstacles.
While I don't know a lot about these things, if it could be done, it would have been. This forum is overflowing with posts from owners of all kinds devices asking how to downgrade their respective device so they can take root. It's not an uncommon request, and one that I have researched for another device, only to find the same answer. Hey if you find out how to do it, you'll make a fortune.
Two other tablets, the Flyer and the View downgrade to gingerbread, then unlock bootloader, then root, then update to honeycomb, then custom roms are applied. They got the idea from another tab, the Iconia, who got it from the Transformer . . .
I'm just trying to push good and bad ideas to someone with the skills. It's about not taking 'no' as an answer.
Here's the thread for Flyer/View:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21028879[Procedure]No HTC unlock downgrade HC-GB for official OTA
I updated my Nexus using the tutorial in this thread but I don't know how to update and I am terrified of bricking my phone! Please help
oshae said:
I updated my Nexus using the tutorial in this thread but I don't know how to update and I am terrified of bricking my phone! Please help
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I thought I'd jump in to make a suggestion before you get filleted like a fish. Please see this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2145848. It will tell you EVERYTHING you need to know. Read, re-read if necessary; trust me, it's all in there. It's VERY well written with a tremendous amount of time spent to help all of us out.
I think the thread linked above should answer your question pretty well. Also, in future please search before posting and post questions in the Q&A forum.
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I updated my Nexus using the tutorial in this thread but I don't know how to update and I am terrified of bricking my phone! Please help
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like they said above....read.
however, to answer the question simply, if you want to update to stock ota after rooting, you will need to reflash stock recovery, then you can either wait for the notification to update or you can download the signed ota zip and sideload it with stock recovery. you do not need to worry about actually being rooted....this does not affect whether you can update or not. what does affect it, though, is the recovery you have installed. and in order to root, you needed to install a custom recovery. This must be revered to stock prior to updating.