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i really love the hardware design of the X10. the white one is a chick magnet. **** i even got 2 girls phone numbers because of the phone. its that good.... till i get home.. and HOLA slow phone. even the unlock is laggy :/
i got to ask a friend who works for Sony and he only knew one thing. we will get the xperia update on week 44.
thats in Nov. for %$%^ sake . this long to get 2.1 ? and nexus boys are on 2.2 already with flash support and 300% faster than 2.1 " which is already much faster than 1.6 "
this is too much. why they are ****ing this up ? they have a great phone. and its super phone just like the desire and nexus .
give me a break already. i am serisously considering selling it to nexus one. just to get greated with pink screen like most of the poor mfers here got on desire/nexus . sigh.
i am seriously pissed.
WHY ON EARTH THERE IS NO ROOTING YETTTTTTTTTTTT :/
Rooting wil come, you need to wait some dude!
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My guess is this poster is like four years old and should be worrying about more important things.
hey, bro. you are saying what I wanna say... this is really annoying no root...
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
i really love the hardware design of the X10. the white one is a it's a chick magnet. **** i even got 2 girls phone numbers because of the phone. its that good.... till i get home.. and HOLA slow phone. even the unlock is laggy :/
i got to ask a friend who works for Sony and he only knew one thing. we will get the xperia update on week 44.
thats in Nov. for %$%^ sake . this long to get 2.1 ? and nexus boys are on 2.2 already with flash support and 300% faster than 2.1 " which is already much faster than 1.6 "
this is too much. why they are ****ing this up ? they have a great phone. and its super phone just like the desire and nexus .
give me a break already. i am serisously considering selling it to nexus one. just to get greated with pink screen like most of the poor mfers here got on desire/nexus . sigh.
i am seriously pissed.
WHY ON EARTH THERE IS NO ROOTING YETTTTTTTTTTTT :/
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I'm hoping you didn't buy the phone with a superficial mindset... seems like you did. Lol @ superficial skanks giving out numbers because of some guy's phone.
You knew what you were getting into when you bought the phone... no update for a long time and no root available.
Just be patient. A root will come. They're trying to make progress.
I had a Nexus One. It was a great device but didn't impress me like I wanted it to. Would I recommend it to others? Definitely! Does 2.2 make me regret returning the N1? No.... though the speed and flash is nice. The speed of the phone was the one thing that I enjoyed on 2.1 so I'm sure 2.2 is even faster... and I hate laggy phones so I hope I don't get upset once my x10 comes in... but l know what I'm getting into and I need to deal with it.
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SE is really pissing me off w this crap.... pls someone get rooot !
Aside from some unrooted Nexus Ones no one has 2.2 yet, and although I see little differance between 2.1 and 1.6 so I don't care about that upgrade much. Getting 2.2 by the end of the year should be SE's goal.
guys.... i have nexus one from past one month and today i got SE EX10 also...
got 2.2 on my unlocked Nexus and i must admit its amazing speed...i dont even think we would need to customize it anymore.......
and on X10, i like the hardware and the scapes.....but only thing i am looking for is root....i dont want even roms as SE itself gave nice skin to it......
so u cant compare nexus with 2.2 and X10.. until X10 gets 2.2 ...
for now we do need root........
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I see little differance between 2.1 and 1.6
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Hmm i see more Huge differences. 1.6 always was buggy and had Issues , aside from speed. 2.1 would bring a immense speed advantage + the screen could use more then 65k colors as 1.6 is limited to this. Shipping the device with 1.6 was such dumb**** from SE. But it ever was that SE doesn't care about their Customers.
Yes we already know that x10 is coming with 1.6 but consider this:
Many of x10 user including me never use an Android phone before
When we do our research knowing that x10 is coming with 1.6 and most of the review tell that "1.6 is not much diff with 2.1", somemore SE promised give us update further that make us took the phone.
BUT now we are already Android user with some relative knowledge and now we knew how important 2.2 is.
So don't you SE bring us into Android and leave us in the middle of no where.
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I'm hoping you didn't buy the phone with a superficial mindset... seems like you did. Lol @ superficial skanks giving out numbers because of some guy's phone.
You knew what you were getting into when you bought the phone... no update for a long time and no root available.
Just be patient. A root will come. They're trying to make progress.
I had a Nexus One. It was a great device but didn't impress me like I wanted it to. Would I recommend it to others? Definitely! Does 2.2 make me regret returning the N1? No.... though the speed and flash is nice. The speed of the phone was the one thing that I enjoyed on 2.1 so I'm sure 2.2 is even faster... and I hate laggy phones so I hope I don't get upset once my x10 comes in... but l know what I'm getting into and I need to deal with it.
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no i didnt buy a phone to get some girls numbers. thats kinda stupid dont you think ? it just happened that i wanted a white color phone since i am sick of dark gray / or black colored phones.
also. i am sorry dude. but the X10 is laggy. its not a hardware problem. its the figgin software SE added. F##k even the unlock arrow sometimes lags. and if you think i am full of ****, your phone is coming. you tell me then what you feel.
i wouldn't be half pissed if i was on 1.6 but at least a fast software. this **** is really laggy. i use the task manager all the time just to free memory. and it still lags.
it cant be because of RAM is 256. i have tested the DROID, its also 256 and its not half as laggy as X10.
and for the other poster who think i am 4 years old with nothing else more important.. nice reply dude. shows how smart you are ... oh wait.
because i give a **** about my phone and don't pretend its cool to be outdated makes me a 4 years old ? ok there. you stay cool and stay out of my thread. maybe you will be cooler
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no i didnt buy a phone to get some girls numbers. thats kinda stupid dont you think ? it just happened tht i wanted a white color phone since i am sick of dark gray / or black colored phones.
also. i am sorry dude. but the X10 is laggy. its not hardware problem. its the figgin software SE added. F##k even the unlock arrow sometimes lags. and if you think i am full of ****, your phone is coming. you tell me then what you feel.
i wouldnt be half pissed if i am on 1.6 but at least a fast software. this **** is really laggy. i use the task manager all the time just to free memory. and it still lags.
it cant be because of RAM is 256. i have tested the DROID, its also 256 and its not half as laggy and X10.
and for the other poster who think i am 4 years old with nothing else more important.. nice reply dude. shows how smart you are ... oh wait.
because i give a **** about my phone and don't pretend its cool to be outdate makes me 4 years old ? ok there. you stay cool and stay out of my thread. maybe you will be cooler
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you are right in every thing you said ,people here takes years to understand the big problem they fall into ,x10 is dead at only 2 monthes age
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no i didnt buy a phone to get some girls numbers. thats kinda stupid dont you think ? it just happened that i wanted a white color phone since i am sick of dark gray / or black colored phones.
also. i am sorry dude. but the X10 is laggy. its not a hardware problem. its the figgin software SE added. F##k even the unlock arrow sometimes lags. and if you think i am full of ****, your phone is coming. you tell me then what you feel.
i wouldn't be half pissed if i was on 1.6 but at least a fast software. this **** is really laggy. i use the task manager all the time just to free memory. and it still lags.
it cant be because of RAM is 256. i have tested the DROID, its also 256 and its not half as laggy as X10.
and for the other poster who think i am 4 years old with nothing else more important.. nice reply dude. shows how smart you are ... oh wait.
because i give a **** about my phone and don't pretend its cool to be outdated makes me a 4 years old ? ok there. you stay cool and stay out of my thread. maybe you will be cooler
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RAM is actually around 384MB - I calculated more than 256MB in a test and someone else looked at a log and got more than 256Mb too.
Lagginess is down to SE's optimisation and bad firmware decision - even Android 2.0 (Original Eclair) was out months before the X10's release. (Widget list is even laggy - my pulse with a 2.1 BETA, with a 528MHz processor is smoother!
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Hmm i see more Huge differences. 1.6 always was buggy and had Issues , aside from speed. 2.1 would bring a immense speed advantage + the screen could use more then 65k colors as 1.6 is limited to this. Shipping the device with 1.6 was such dumb**** from SE. But it ever was that SE doesn't care about their Customers.
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I have not heard of a huge performance bump from 1.6 to 2.1, most of the advances in 2.1 were addressed by SE in 1.6 (bluetooth, file sharing etc) I could care less about the number of colors, they're not nearly as important as the quality of the screen and X10 trumps the Nexus Ones. The speed advantage will be in 2.2, and it's why while I didn't care that X10 shipped with 1.6 instead of 2.1, I do care whether they upgrade to 2.2 or not. They stated this is a phone that would get continuous support, I expect 2.2 on our X10's.
SE needs to just give out the 2.1 update right now! and release the 2.2 update in Q3-Q4.. This is ridiculous!! I haven't used any other android phone b4 I purchased the X10 and have nothing to base comparison of 1.6 & 2.1 based phones. What i do know is like others said on this thread Hardware isn't holding back the device, the damn laggy software is! SE please stop being stuck up snobs (AKA Apple) and listen to your customers.. I love this phone and hate to see it handicapped by the stubbornness of the manufacturer..
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no i didnt buy a phone to get some girls numbers. thats kinda stupid dont you think ? it just happened that i wanted a white color phone since i am sick of dark gray / or black colored phones.
also. i am sorry dude. but the X10 is laggy. its not a hardware problem. its the figgin software SE added. F##k even the unlock arrow sometimes lags. and if you think i am full of ****, your phone is coming. you tell me then what you feel.
i wouldn't be half pissed if i was on 1.6 but at least a fast software. this **** is really laggy. i use the task manager all the time just to free memory. and it still lags.
it cant be because of RAM is 256. i have tested the DROID, its also 256 and its not half as laggy as X10.
and for the other poster who think i am 4 years old with nothing else more important.. nice reply dude. shows how smart you are ... oh wait.
because i give a **** about my phone and don't pretend its cool to be outdated makes me a 4 years old ? ok there. you stay cool and stay out of my thread. maybe you will be cooler
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I won't argue with the speed and I hate slow phones. And judging from pre-release software (even though they supposedly fixed it) I can tell that lag will be apparent in the x10 especially without a simple post-release update to fix common bugs. It's annoying that SE won't fix it so soon but apparently an update is coming within the next few weeks. Seems like some people's phones don't lag and some have very laggy ones so it could just be some people got the short end of the stick... either way... it needs an update.
I always wanted the x10 and backed away once I realized it was still launching with 1.6... but when I used the N1 the whole 2.0 issue wasn't a big deal for me.
My argument is that you can't have an issue with 1.6... because it's your fault for buying the phone knowing that it came with it. However, the bugs and laggy software... that's a good enough reason to be upset. The bugs on the N1 annoyed me just enough to make me feel ok getting rid of it... and it was still a great device that I wouldn't mind keeping.
If you really want to... get rid of the x10 now while you can still salvage some money from it. By the end of the summer the price will drop.
And yeah, people need to stop praising the x10 like it's the greatest android phone ever... because it's not. It's a good device though but it needs an update.
Also, I only buy the white version of phones whenever possible as well, just because they are less common.
I came to this forum looking for mature discussion about phones, instead, there's just a bunch of whiners who buy things with their parents money and then complain when the phone doesn't give them a blow job.
It's a phone for crying out loud. It does everything it's supposed to, as advertised. Updates are coming. If you're so immature that you can't wait a few months, do everyone a favor, go get some other phone, and go away.
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It's a phone for crying out loud. It does everything it's supposed to, as advertised. Updates are coming. If you're so immature that you can't wait a few months, do everyone a favor, go get some other phone, and go away.
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Funny that you should say that mate, but when I got mine the week it was released in the UK, I struggled to text and make calls!
The SE keyboard was not registering Key presses e.g "A".
During a call the volume was far too quiet and I struggled to hear the person on the other end (even at max volume). The screen wouldn't always wake either for me to be able to end the call.
I guess you can argue that it still did everything, but just not very well!
TimeScape make the UI really sluggish set as home and MediaScape cannot create playlists and misses key presses.
Facial recognition is hit and miss and has a habit of losing its entire memory.
I had to debrand and upgrade the firmware to make it pass as useable and replace the keyboard with HTC one.
I was aware of the phones shortcomings when I purchased so I know that it is my own fault.
However reason I still went ahead with the purchase was because SE reps and reviews told me 2 things.
1. The delayed release was to fix the major issues with UX integration
2. It wouldn't be long before it would be upgraded to 2.1
So I personally can understand why some people are moaning.
ok honestly, i gave this alot of thoughts yesterday and i made up my mind. i am going to sell my xperia x10 today in the phone market.
i will try to find a used nexus 1 in a good condition. if i cant, then i will buy new one today anyway since i don't have a second phone.
i am just hoping for used one so i dont pay much extra.
**** this really. let them shove that pretty white phone up their ass. i was stupid for buying one.
i hope you guys have fun with your phone, and i hope you will be able to get it rooted very soon. by the time they do som the new iphone will probably be out in few months and even the EVO 4g World wide " **** this CDMA **** too " but yeah.
maybe the other guys who were bashing in this thread will shut up and be happy.
peace
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I had a Nexus One. It was a great device but didn't impress me like I wanted it to. Would I recommend it to others? Definitely! Does 2.2 make me regret returning the N1? No.... though the speed and flash is nice. The speed of the phone was the one thing that I enjoyed on 2.1 so I'm sure 2.2 is even faster... and I hate laggy phones so I hope I don't get upset once my x10 comes in... but l know what I'm getting into and I need to deal with it.
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Serious mistake returning the N1, 2.2 is amazing. Speed of it unreal, browser is almost as fast as a desktop browser. Flash, wireless tethering, chrome to phone is amazing.
How can you go backwards to 1.6?!?!!
Who is with me?
With all the gripes that we have with this phone right now, including no 2.1 for a 8 months (by which time SE will launch a newer Android device and pay no attention to X10 owners) as well as multitouch, live wallpapers, hundreds of apps that dont run on anything less than 2.1 etc etc, I think its high time we hit SE where it hurts.
Bring on AMOLED, 512 MB RAM, native flash and 2.2 around the corner.
Who needs a 8MP camera. Seriously, all cameras on mobile phones are **** anyways.
The screen size is a tad smaller, but so is the phone (which is better in my books).
Any other reasons anyone can think of apart from the obvious?
Just about to flog it on fleebay/gumtree
You sound horribly insecure. Its just a phone. Relax for god sake.
thats because i probably am... or perhaps just enlightened...
more fits of insecurity coming your way
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You sound horribly insecure. Its just a phone. Relax for god sake.
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Exactly its phone nothing more. Jheeze what a pointless thread.
I sincerly hope you are satisfied once you switch.
The X10 is as advertised and I am happy with it as is.
Im sure you are all very happy with the device at hand and this is probably not the best forum for this topic, although I know of a lot of users here who feel the same way about the X10 and would be willing to move away.
If not now, than a couple of months down the line, you will all be singing the same tune when most of the apps stop offering upgrades on the 1.6 platform.
Everyone's opinion is welcome and a forum (any) is the perfect place to express it.
I respect your opinion and your reasoning as it does have merit.
For me, this is my first run on Android.
I like the SE UI and the apps are secondary to me.
i'm with you. but i'm going for the nexus one. receiving that piece of sexy tomorrow.
I will wait another month or so, to see if we get it rooted. If not, ill be getting a 4G when available in the UK
boring htc phones
To be very honest i think Desire and Nexus are both boring not so well designed phones. They´re geek phones with no aesthetics. X10 it´s way more sleek, elegant and big! Froyo will come as well to the X10... just patience my friends. Who know we get the phone rooted pretty soon...
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
seriously im getting tired of these "omg ive had it with this x10 gotta sell it" go ahead , no one really cares. coming from 2.1, i still dont care if the x10 is still 1.6, its fast,sexy and its just a phone! im all for root, and itll come. for now though people who dont sit at home all day in mommys basement are enjoying the x10.
i certainly hope puberty doesnt confuse you as much as your x10 dilemma.
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anyone who is happy with the way the x10 is right now is seriously either super retard OR cant/doesnt have the money/whatever reason to switch to another phone. "ofcourse i am talking software wise " not the phone it self in general as i used to have X10 and i love the design of the phone more than my new nexus 1
anyway OP. i did the same yesterday, i bought the Nexus 1 tho. mainly because i never like the HTC interface and i figure that phones like nexus and motorolla droid are always faster to get updates " since i wont wait for htc to implement their software into the phone before updating.
the guy at the store promised me not to sell my x10 for a week " he is a friend " if SE annouce 2.2 by then or the phone get rooted " haha wtf i am thinking " then great i will get it back. if not, then the hell with SE. let them shove the phone up their @$$. or some unlucky mfer buy it
let us know if it hurts when yours drop too...wait there should be a thread for prepubescent b00ns...
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Seriously just keep the x10 for now. Root will come sooner or later. You knew the x10 would come with 1. 6 then why did you buy it in the first place? If I have the patience to wait for 2. 1 or root then so does everyone else, unless you don't have a life and loaft around xda starting useless threads saying ur gonna sell your x10 for another phone. If so go ahead no one is stopping you. We don't need to know anything else. As far as I know this is the xperia x10 thread.
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i'm going to be keeping the x10 for a while even after my nexus one gets here today.
i have faith in x10. but the phone seriously is limited by the OS. the nexus one's looks are a matter of opinion and mostly on taste. i love the way it looks but all the good features are on newer OS.
we all knew Android would be updated. but i don't think people expected the phone to have such a long wait for an update with an outdated OS. you get an android phone these days for the reason that the OS will only get better with updates. everyone sees the petition thread, right?
if OS didn't mean a thing and that it didn't have any issues for the X10, no one would be complaining.
Moving to another phone in the future?
Maybe.
HTC? No way ..
What else?
A new iteration of Nexus, maybe a better Galaxy S (one with flash for camera) or a Motorola Motoroi if they decide to sell it in US/Canada.
But really... HTC?
I'm sorry to say but you are crazy
Giving your X10 for HTC Desire/Legend or Nexus One is pointless.
None of them is as good as X10.
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But really... HTC?
I'm sorry to say but you are crazy
Giving your X10 for HTC Desire/Legend or Nexus One is pointless.
None of them is as good as X10.
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pointless ? ..... what planet are you from ?
I agree with miguelsantos1979.
1st Gen AMLOED screens are not overly impressive, my friend has the Desire and he struggles to see the screen in direct sun light.
If you want to change the handset, change it rather then write a post like a spoilt child
Well, assuming that people don't have the cash to switch to another phone when they are having a X10 is the most useless comment I read here since I became a member, it's not about having cash my friend, it's about what you expect from something you bought and if the product suits you or not.
Fortunately everyone is different, I like my X10 eventhough on my X1 I was able to make my own themes and tweaked whatever I wanted. Ashame some games can't be installed because of the fact it is still running on 1.6, but that's not worth getting another phone for me personally. I will wait for the updates, and as soon as SE comes with the update, there will be something new to complain about. That is how it works in this fastgrowing technology world we live in.
Another point can be not everyone goes so deep in their phones as we do, and for "normal" people the X10 is fantastic as it is. SE want to sell big with this phone, so making it to complicated scares of the average customer who just buys a phone based on the looks of it, and you have to admit, the first time you had the X10 in your hand, it was looking good
Just relax and take a beer after you bought yourself another phone
Cheers,
Arnold
Galaxy S is a wonderful phone with many-many hardware advantages but with one major disadvantage, and it's called Samsung Software Support.
I really like this phone but I believe that Froyo will be the last update that Samsung is going to give, so i believe that the only hope of this phone is custom Roms
Nexus One have great cookers like to support it. Does anyone have the intention to do the same thing for Galaxy S?
If you are worried about that, then don't buy the Galaxy S now. Wait a month or two and see how it looks then?
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Thats what I'm going to do, I don't plan to buy it now, but I have my eye on it and I didnt find any info on the subject, so I made this thread.
hey m8, i know how "Bad" samsung support is and I don't wanna disagree with your opinion but seriously, what major improvements to you want? ginger bread? has it even been stated what ginger bread will improve? for now 2.1 and 2.2 will be good.... and I don't even keep the same phone for longer than 1-2 years, technology improves to fast, phones get slimmer and nicer.
you get my point this is the best out there, take it enjoy it hack it but dont plan on keeping it for a decade.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, google said that in the next 6 months is going to amaze us. I believe that mean gingerbread.
I also believe that google has many innovations to show us with android so an upgradeable device is necessary.
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hey m8, i know how "Bad" samsung support is and I don't wanna disagree with your opinion but seriously, what major improvements to you want? ginger bread? has it even been stated what ginger bread will improve? for now 2.1 and 2.2 will be good.... and I don't even keep the same phone for longer than 1-2 years, technology improves to fast, phones get slimmer and nicer.
you get my point this is the best out there, take it enjoy it hack it but dont plan on keeping it for a decade.
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True, true, but i mean at the very least some common and very easy bug fixes and stuff. I own the Omnia II and the only bug fixes come from cookers and very very few ppl who has privileged access to samsung new roms (and they "won't" tell where they get it from, so prolly insider roms imo).
By the way, what's that "amazing" thing google has announced??? hardware or software??
i think the "bad support" by samsung is exaggerated by people...
i would not call it bad support, if samsung releases updates to add the following long after the release of the phone (they could have said "we already got your money ... bad luck for you"):
they fixed photocontacts, then after it was fixed they changed photocontacts because people did not like the way it worked (but it worked nontheless)...
what company would change something after they just fixed it so it is not broken anymore ? that is really bad support, to hear the wishes and likes of how things should work (even if they are currently not broken).
then they gave us kinetic scrolling .. something that was never even mentioned as feature for the phone in the first place ...
i think its just greedy people who spend some money on a phone and now expect the manufacturer to keep it updated forever so it is always the best with all features that even where not invented when the phone initially was released ... go to work, earn some dollars and buy a new phone instead of expecting a company (whos target is to make money) to spend money just so you have the finest things for free without giving a dime for it and after that the spoilt users will still moarn that they did not get unlimited updates for free
If you check out their open source website, you will find Galaxy S' Kernel and driver. I'm not custom ROM developer, and dose not know about that well.
However, other XDA member said that this is enough to port other ROMs such as Sense UI.
According to Samsung Mobile twitter, Froyo will come 100%. Ginger-Bread is not clear.
I will buy Galaxy S. More people means More support from home cooker.
Gingerbread is going to come out next year. Google said they are going to only release an Android update once a year now. No one even knows what Gingerbread is going to offer next year so why worry about an update? Enjoy it now and enjoy it more when it gets Froyo.
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Gingerbread is going to come out next year. Google said they are going to only release an Android update once a year now. No one even knows what Gingerbread is going to offer next year so why worry about an update? Enjoy it now and enjoy it more when it gets Froyo.
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Agreed lol!
the 2.1 on the sammy seems VERY usable, yes forever, not just for a year, because it has nearly everything we would need.
the more you get, the more you want.
I question whether people actually sit down and think. Some say "no 2.2 froyo = a failure".. while before it was "no 2.1 = a failure".. and before that no "1.6 = a failure". it's a foolish never ending cycle of wanting more more more even though each version is fully usable.
seriously what kind of comment is that, the phone has everything almost, even if it doesn't according to the person, it has enough for us to use it as a phone and camera and internet and mp3/video.
I hope people will realize what is on the sammy is enough (unless you want to install themes only that's cool).
Obviously not indicative of whether or not the GS will get Gingerbread, but as for bug fixes Samsung are apparently releasing GS firmware updates in Singapore:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2781948&page=95
From my own limited experience, there were several firmware updates for the Omnia I as well, although never an official upgrade from WinMo 6.1 to to 6.5 even though the phone could run it just fine (probably because they wanted to sell Omnia II instead).
Well, that's what i mean. I also had omnia, it's a very good phone that never got win6.5 officially even though it could.
That's what i'm afraid of with galaxy.
I expect many innovations with every new version of android so it would like to be able to have it in Galaxy s if im going to be an owner.
Lets hope that a great cooker is heading this way
Well, concerning Samsung's support, I'm pretty sure it's not going to be that bad. Samsung released Android 2.1 for the Galaxy Spica way before HTC has released Android 2.1 for the Hero. It's got a bed rep because of the way they handle the Behold I and II in the US and some Windows Mobile phones, and that's because they apparently don't want to support phones that haven't sold well (and probably because they have to pay for the Qualcomm drivers). Because the Galaxy S is probably going to be rather popular with its worldwide release and runs on Samsung's own hardware, I do think Samsung will supply us with an update, at least to Android 2.2.
As for ROM development: Samsung has provided us with the complete source of Android running on the Galaxy S, so it should be perfectly possible to develop ROMs once the device is rooted (which could even be accomplished with the HTC Incredible) and a bootloader can be used for it. At least, that's how far I've understood it.
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Well, concerning Samsung's support, ..... It's got a bed rep because of the way they handle the Behold I and II in the US and some Windows Mobile phones. .....
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Their Symbian phones didn't get the same love as well. I am afraid this is not restricted to one part of the world or one phone or two. It's just Samsung providing almost perfect hardware and crappy software.
The orphan approach is what Samsung keep doing. While, the community suppose to be the one adopting Samsung projects. This kinda lame and I really hate it.
Anyway, back to the topic (somehow).
Does anyone of you heard any news about Samsung Galaxy S Pro?
I am trying to hold for 1 month or two before getting my Android and I am not the type who changes his phone according to a season or his pair of shoes.
Hopefully, the keyboard version comes sooner than latter.
The next thing to wow us is probably gonna be phones with screens that can produce 3D effects
Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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I think HP used to produce quick update for windows mobile devices. However, they are charging for the update. That for windows 2003se to WM5.
I have bad experience with HTC. They take forever to update.
Another phone I have is O2 XDA mini. I never have any update since the device release.
Silverdragondk said:
Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
[3]Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
S.p.x. said:
1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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regardless of the fact i see no reason for them not to upgrade to gingerbread i doubt very serious there would be much hardship, also knowing me if/when this come to t-mobile and i get it i know it will be rooted so im not worrying about updates on a company end.
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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1 - Apologies. I guess I didn't really press the "m" when I typed Symbian.
2 - It wasn't always, which is why I wrote "have/had" and included it. I don't even know, if Symbian was free when Samsung used it in the Omnia HD...
3 - Good!
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here appeard many posts like this and sadly I have to say that I want a different android phone, defenetly not SE. They are losing their customers.
What other phone would you recommend? I was thinking about milestone xt720. Maybe there is something more interesting?
Instead of spamming these boards, why don't you go to a board where you can get answers unobjectively. Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
iead1 said:
Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
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+1! I can understand the frustration, but don't get why people are selling their phones right now, that's just cutting your nose off to spite your face imo.
Well I got rid of mine because I've had enough of SE dragging their heels, I'm running 2.2 on my HD2 and its the best move I have made tbh.
I know SE already have my money, but I didn't see the point of sticking with something I wasn't happy with.
I know its only a phone at the end of the day and all the normal stuff worked, its just SE's policy on providing support, Ohh its ok the users who gave us there hard earned cash can wait for their update as we already have their cash.
I hope the devs can do somethin with the X10 as it is a cracking piece of kit and not worthy of running 1.6.
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Hows that desire HD rom
Here's a thought:
Instead of venting on this board where X10 users and hobbyist developers gather to exchange ideas why not send a wellformulated email to something like SE sales or SE's customer services? Most of us here have no connection to SE other than owning one of their phones. Some of us don't even have a choice and couldn't switch if we wanted to.
Coming here to vent won't really do anything other than piss people off which is kind of counter-productive. Even if some here agree with your views there's not a lot we can do other than trying to do the best we can with what we got.
If you hope to accomplish something or even get SE to recognize your problems then the best way is really to write a proper message to SE explaining your stance. It's a long-shot but there's always a chance that they will listen to the critique and act on it.
*****ing to us X10 users helps no one, most of us don't even care and it just takes up your time.
Just create a thread for all these complainers about leaving their phone yada yada yada. Simple.
I agree, if you don't like then leave and join other forum for the phone you want.
Most phone manufacturers are concern about making money and that is business so no choice.
Leave us alone here as there are some of us who still like our X10 including myself.
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Leave us alone here as there are some of us who still like our X10 including myself.
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Hear, hear. Even though we're stuck on 1.6 for now I still love the display and design of the hardware.
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Hear, hear. Even though we're stuck on 1.6 for now I still love the display and design of the hardware.
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Yes, we like and love the phone not because it has updated OS but it is the phone hardware and specs which makes us attracted to it.
Even if the phone is updated with the latest OS like 2.2 or even 3.0 but the outlook of the phone don't look nice or the specs of the hardware is not advance, holding the phone don't makes us feel good as well.
It is the same like cars, even though your car is powerful but the design of the car do not look good, less people will buy it.
Just my sharing.
kubbek said:
here appeard many posts like this and sadly I have to say that I want a different android phone, defenetly not SE. They are losing their customers.
What other phone would you recommend? I was thinking about milestone xt720. Maybe there is something more interesting?
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xt720 is nice but is older than X10.
Slowe CPU too.
And Motorola is locking their devices too.
If you want to switch, at least go to a HTC where you can play with them as much as you want.
The bad part, HTCs are ugly phones
I'm seling my X10 to go for a Captivate.
I know the camera is worse, but at least the bootloader is already hacked so CM6 is the way to go.
tuxStyle said:
xt720 is nice but is older than X10.
Slowe CPU too.
And Motorola is locking their devices too.
If you want to switch, at least go to a HTC where you can play with them as much as you want.
The bad part, HTCs are ugly phones
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Calling them ugly is a bit harsh imo, non-descript is a better name for it. They're basic and they don't stand out. They're sort of like the VW Passat, the design is perfectly fine but also very forgettable at the same time.
iead1 said:
Instead of spamming these boards, why don't you go to a board where you can get answers unobjectively. Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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jayman1986 said:
Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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You're right. This board is for discussion. However, do they require a new thread each time?
Hmmm.. you guys obviously wouldn't care much assuming you don't donate to the board to help maintain it. I bet if you did you'd care much more about people who posts useless threads like this.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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I'm pretty sure all the features that were promised on the the box are working fine. Don't get confused with the ramblings you hear on the internet, they are the wants of users, not the promises of se.
I want features such as froyo, 16 million colours, flash etc. as much as anyone, but such things were never promised. And lack of 16 million colours isn't aproblem, you would be hard pressed to see the difference, unless you have a fascination with looking at colour gradients. And no multitouch, even though it has been denied as a feature countless times is a blessing. If there was multitouch you can say goodbye to using the phone one handed. Multitouch gestures are stupid, pointless and annoying.
So if you want to sell your phone, then godspeed to you. But please don't complain to other users that enjoy theirphone, just because you didn't research properly what this phone is capable of.
No offence intended, this is an open discussion and that is my point of view, if you can show evidence of broken promises then be my guest. Delay in 2.1 update doesn't count, release dates for software slip, its a fact of life. Deal with it.
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Calling them ugly is a bit harsh imo, non-descript is a better name for it. They're basic and they don't stand out. They're sort of like the VW Passat, the design is perfectly fine but also very forgettable at the same time.
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IMO a dogs backside could design something more attractive than a desire lol
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Why do some people think others care if they got a new phone LOL. I bet the honeymoon will last no more then a few weeks with their new device, then they will complain about some issues they have with it.
Sony has made some stupid moves IMO but whatever company you go to the situation will be the same. At most you will get one major update and some bugfix updates.
I blew off alot of steam about how the 2.1 update wouldn't even include 16m colors...I then got really pissed about SE delaying our 2.1 update til October. I for sure said some things out of anger....but one thing I remember clearly is that I ditched a Nexus One running 2.2 (froyo) for my X10. I loved my Nexus One, it was truly amazing....but something about the X10 pulled me to it. I find with my X10 I love it more and enjoy it much more than the Nexus One. That said, I know SE pissed alot of people off..including myself....but there's no need to ditch a phone that you know you loved because SE delayed the update. Honestly look at it this way, is your phone going to die? will it not live for another month until 2.1? will you die? can you just give your phone the chance of running 2.1 before you are so quick to judge....maybe just MAYBE!! SE are being secretive about something in the update...maybe not. But I have a damn good feeling when 2.1 drops to the X10 some people will be coming back to it....because SE will get there **** together and really deliver on this. If im wrong, then you can flame me. People have just a little more patience for the update.
just my two cents
NightSidew1nd3r;
So if you want to sell your phone said:
Well firstly he's not specifically aiming it at people who are happy with their phone, cox there are many who are unhappy.
And research properly before you buy?- like I replied to another SE fanboy on another thread, I bought my phone in March and SE did not make anything clear when phone releasing the phone- everything was rumours. And at that time all mobile phone sources were hinting an update to 2.1 before summer.
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Today i went to a android meet up in Utrecht Holland... There were a few employees from samsung Holland and they said to me that Froyo is going to be released late october early November here in holland. Because they want to do it right at once. .. And he also told me that the GPS will be updated separately. They got a whole team working on the GPS. So this not so nice to hear. But i look it on the bright side. . They are working on it really hard. They also said to me that they do care about the costumers. And they had also 5 galaxy tabs and i can tell you They rock! Quote of the evening : Samsung employee to mee with my Galaxy S in his hand :How the hell can you have a newer firmware then me. .. He got JPH...
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just as i though, like on the joke poll "when will froyo be released"
i guessed on November/December
you'll see it's going to be a merry Xmas from samsung when they release Froyo on the 25 Dec
Let them take their sweet time, as long as they get it right
So now we are talking about oct/nov.. This is becoming the epix wait.
Well I'm like dying to have it but I'm one for quality then quickness. So if that's true I'm all for the wait.
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Well I'm like dying to have it but I'm one for quality then quickness. So if that's true I'm all for the wait.
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+1 here, I'd rather wait a couple of months for something that won't be unusable that get something now that we'll be constantly complaining over to get patches etc.
I just wish Samsung would be more open with us about these things rather than letting us down. I would respect them more if they'd just tell us straight rather than giving false/un-meetable deadlines.
The lesson learned here for me is that I won't buy a Samsung phone again. The HTC Desire got its update to Froyo a lot earlier. I mean by the time they release Froyo for the Galaxy Google probably has release Gingerbread. Guess we have to wait till June '11 or maybe forever for that...
I got myself blinded by the great hardware specs. But with any hardware it is useless without the proper software to it. I dont think I expect to much from a device I paid 450 EUR for...
When was Desire launched and when was Galaxy S?
Also, have you read about the delays of eclair for htc hero?
Anyway, my last htc phone was and will be htc hero (beside poor costumer support they have inferior hardware in comparison to motorola, samsung, etc)*.
Don't start me on Motorola Europe. Just look at their Facebook page. Be warned though it is almost entirely Adult rated and definitely not for those of a delicate nature.
slu125 said:
The lesson learned here for me is that I won't buy a Samsung phone again. The HTC Desire got its update to Froyo a lot earlier. I mean by the time they release Froyo for the Galaxy Google probably has release Gingerbread. Guess we have to wait till June '11 or maybe forever for that...
I got myself blinded by the great hardware specs. But with any hardware it is useless without the proper software to it. I dont think I expect to much from a device I paid 450 EUR for...
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I understand what you are going through, But you must rememeber that the HTC Desire is a clone of the Google Nexus One, THE DEVELOPEMENT PHONE. so OF CAUSE the htc Desire gets the goodies first. Myself I'm pissed off that Froyo disn't have a optimized JIT for Hummingbird cpu! grrrrr.. Frankly I don't care if Froyo comes out anymore as I just wanted the JIT optimized like the Snapdragon cpu's . Also I'm hell thankful for not buying a X10, They still havn't even updated to 2.1 YET! so when (if) we SGS people are playing with Froyo (be it broken) they will finally get 2.1! heheh
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I understand what you are going through, But you must rememeber that the HTC Desire is a clone of the Google Nexus One, THE DEVELOPEMENT PHONE. so OF CAUSE the htc Desire gets the goodies first. Myself I'm pissed off that Froyo disn't have a optimized JIT for Hummingbird cpu! grrrrr.. Frankly I don't care if Froyo comes out anymore as I just wanted the JIT optimized like the Snapdragon cpu's . Also I'm hell thankful for not buying a X10, They still havn't even updated to 2.1 YET! so when (if) we SGS people are playing with Froyo (be it broken) they will finally get 2.1! heheh
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The thing that will really piss people off will be the upcoming galaxy tab that will be shipping with froyo for nov 1. That will make it painfully obvious on where Samsung is directing their dev team
They've worked too long on Froyo. Lets see what kind of garbage they will manage to churn out again. This is consequence of have poor staff engineers and interns as main coders and testers. In reality, the SW team is 2-3 "engineers" and a QA team of just one.
Having come from 1.6 on the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, who have delayed the 2.1 release yet further to the Galaxy S (JM1) I have no problem waiting for the official release of 2.2.
I'm just happy to have a phone that actually works, unlike many people I have read on this and other forums having issues with the GPS I don't seem to be suffering the levels of inaccuracy that other do. But then again I don't really use the GPS so not even that big an issue for me.
And at least Samsung are getting it together in terms of the 2.2 update, Sony Ericsson looks like delaying the base 2.1 until around December.
I'm in the get it right, rather than get it quick, camp.
2.2 on the desire offers a plethora of nice improvements (I have the official upgrade on my own desire), but it's not faultless. Samsung have a range of issues to deal with and it's not unreasonable to assume that they might need more time to bring the galaxy s up to speed compared with the desire, which was by common consent functioning better under 2.1.
I think one has to be aware that ones personal concerns with the device are not necessarily majority concerns. Comparing my desire with the sgs, I still reach for my sgs for some tasks (internet, streamed media) in preference to the desire. The screen quality makes a massive difference and the speed and graphics acceleration makes the sgs feel more responsive. The desire feels like a workhorse, the sgs feels like fun.
Addressing the issues properly is much more important than rushing out a new set of bugs, in my view. In the meantime I find stock t-mobile fine, and better than most of my experiences with HTC windows mobile handsets out of the box.
If you really want 2.2 now you, can get it. Personally I find it reassuring that a professional team is out there trying to get it stable and optimised for the device.
Good info, thanks.
I'm all for quality too. I haven't touched my stock 2.1 yet. No lag fix, no rooting or anything, and I'm quite happy with it.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like the features of 2.2 as well, especially voice activated, handsfree dialing via bluetooth, but I'm not willing to take the risk of bricking my phone because leaked roms, or lag fixes may cause damage.
Some of you are willing to take that risk, more power to you, that's what development is all about. I'm just not willing to do that as yet. If Samsung stated they won't be providing an update, then fine. But they are, and I'm willing to wait.
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Personally I find it reassuring that a professional team is out there trying to get it stable and optimised for the device.
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Right....
asicman said:
They've worked too long on Froyo. Lets see what kind of garbage they will manage to churn out again. This is consequence of have poor staff engineers and interns as main coders and testers. In reality, the SW team is 2-3 "engineers" and a QA team of just one.
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How do YOU know that? Or do you just like trolling?
In reality, it might be that device development is a lot more difficult than people think. OSX Server 10.5 is an example of a product which took MUCH longer than 4 months to be useful, and we all know that Apple aren't a team of 2-3 engineers. How much Froyo development experience do you have to be able to say whats acceptable?
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How do YOU know that?
Or do you just like trolling?
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Look at the end result. Look the SGS that most people have in their hands...
Umm, thats a silly assumption.
The difference is that whilst every unhappy user seems to be jumping thread to thread making noise, those of us who are happy aren't creating threads everywhere praising Samsung. The discussions are unbalanced here. At one point of time, someone DID create a thread which was for people who liked the device, and it REALLY filled up.
So really, you don't have ANY development experience do you? It's more likely Samsung simply launched the product a bit prematurely in order to capture the market (and it worked), and now they are fixing the bugs. They have already fixed a lot..
You must also remember, we don't have access to the latest Samsung Builds.