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Hi, i would to know the legibility of display in direct sunlight. Is it better of the Omnia display?! Or the same thing?
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Hi, i would to know the legibility of display in direct sunlight. Is it better of the Omnia display?! Or the same thing?
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i would also like to know this as well. i believe touch HD has an ambient light sensor, but it is a different manufacture than that used in iphone. also, the HD's sensor is below two layers of plastic (the screen and the touch/pressure layer), whereas iphone's sensor is just below the glass. so those of you who already have the phone, please report back thanks
buggybug0 said:
i would also like to know this as well. i believe touch HD has an ambient light sensor, but it is a different manufacture than that used in iphone. also, the HD's sensor is below two layers of plastic (the screen and the touch/pressure layer), whereas iphone's sensor is just below the glass. so those of you who already have the phone, please report back thanks
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The HD's sensor is not underneath the screen/pressure layer. It is in the opening for the speaker. The screen is not transflective therefore the backlight is required to view the display.
ardsar said:
The HD's sensor is not underneath the screen/pressure layer. It is in the opening for the speaker. The screen is not transflective therefore the backlight is required to view the display.
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okay. sooooooooo.... back to the OP's question : does the screen brightness changes when the ambient light changes? and it is good to view in direct sunlight? i couldn't extract the ansswer from your reply.
buggybug0 said:
okay. sooooooooo.... back to the OP's question : does the screen brightness changes when the ambient light changes? and it is good to view in direct sunlight? i couldn't extract the ansswer from your reply.
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yes the screen brightness changes with ambient light. Display is comparable to the touch pro when viewing in daylight, but as the iphone is transflective, it will obviously not be as good.
Hi, I've had the Touch HD for 5 days now. The display sensitivity does change according to the ambient light, which I find very useful when going in and out of buildings. The display can be read fairly easy even on direct sunlight. I was reading an ebook without any problems midday with sun over my head. As far as Omnia, I can't judge since I haven't used one. But I can compare it to my old Tytn II which was unusable in direct sunlight. The display on Touch HD is really great.
fuko747 said:
Hi, I've had the Touch HD for 5 days now. The display sensitivity does change according to the ambient light, which I find very useful when going in and out of buildings. The display can be read fairly easy even on direct sunlight. I was reading an ebook without any problems midday with sun over my head. As far as Omnia, I can't judge since I haven't used one. But I can compare it to my old Tytn II which was unusable in direct sunlight. The display on Touch HD is really great.
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OK...this is good.
The Touch HD display is not better than the Touch Diamond display in direct sunlight. Unfortunately it doesn't come close to the superb direct sunlight performance of the iPhone.
I also own the Sedna and although this device is perfectly usable in direct sunlight, even with the display brightness set to 0, the colors are dull and also much worse than on the iPhone under the same lighting conditions.
I can't hide the feeling that HTC just wants to earn easy money, look at the video performance of the Qualcomm chipset, it should have improved from the TyTN II outrage but nothing has happened yet.
HTC wants to build an iPhone killer? I'm pretty sure they can do it. Unfortunately they would need to charge much more for such a unit or at least lower their profit margin. Apparently they don't need to do that...yet.
actually it is not very good ... i cant see well...
any tweaks to make it peform better under sun??
yeah, i can hardly see anything on mine in sunlight, it would be ok to make a call, but to text or read a long text etc is verydifficult, didnt even trey watching a video, are there tweaks or anything for the screen?
disable auto backlight adjustment and crank up the backlight! battery peformance will suffer but its much easier to read. I think there are screen protectors out there than makes the screen more ligible in direct sunlight. try searching for it. dont take my word for it though
You can install Lumos and set it such that in sun conditions, it will respond with an increased backlight performance. At least Lumos will allow your phone to auto-adapt to the light conditions.
As for my personal experience, I have an ultraclear-type screen protector and the HD is pretty much unusable in direct sun light. I guess that with a less classy screen protector, the display would be readable outside but I haven't checked this out yet.
I tried disabling disabling auto adjust and cranking up brightness for sun.
It ATE my battery, left low level screen light on and this just is not a good thing.
I am outside a lot and looking for a solution, cannot believe the screen is so clear and good until you hit the sunlight. This is as I set on laptop and type in sun.
Does anyone have a clue how the new screen behaves outdoor, especially under direct sun light. My current HD "sucks" on that matter, espaecially when using GPS navigation during day time .
Thanks
yeah, HD sucks under the sun lol.
indoor comparision..
The HD 2 has a light sensor which will control the backlight based on the light in the environment you in. I have seen it on a Rodium and i must say it works very nice!
SNL said:
The HD 2 has a light sensor which will control the backlight based on the light in the environment you in. I have seen it on a Rodium and i must say it works very nice!
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If I'm not misstaken, even the Touch Diamond had that...
still doesn't answer the "question"
The Touch HD had this too but still sucks under sunlight. Even if you manually set to maximum brightness it was pretty bad under sunlight.
I thinks this is a hard question to answer till the device is in the market
Normally, it is the glass protection of a capacitive screen which gives good readability under the direct sun, while the resistive needs a plastic cover able to catch up the points of pressure filtering a lot of brightness.
In my experience (Samsung Omnia HD), the capacitive is very readable even under the sunlight, BUT, I'm not sure if the 65K colors Vs. 16M colors could affect the result.
I agree dfulgo. Although I'm not sure but I think this might really be the case.
If you have seen this video in youtube (link below) where they compared 7 different phones, even the Omnia2 AMOLED screen cannot compare to the Iphone's sunlight legibility. I think this is really mainly because of the strong reflection on the glass for the Omnia2, and not just the brightness of the screen. And the Omnia HD with capacitive screen looks better in sunlight than Omnia2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8b5Jb_dB3M
I'm hoping this is the case, so we might have good sunlight legibility for the HD2!
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I think this is really mainly because of the strong reflection on the glass for the Omnia2, and not just the brightness of the screen.
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I am pretty sure it's because of it being an AMOLED screen. Those always have bad sunlight readability.
I think I read somewhere, that the HD2 was ok outdoors, but I am not really sure. Well, we will know for sure when it's out.
So, "Nothing new under the sun"?
Glass Cover
If Leo have glass cover (like Iphone) outdoor on direct sun light - OK
But if have plastic cover , we must wait for next phone
I hope HTC to use glass screen !!!
Answer???
If anybody have in new HTC HD2 , lets tell us about outdoor properties!!!
if anybody can use search utility, use it
it has glass screen, under sun light it is no problem...
once againt, search utility -> 3rd from right on that brown upper panel... click on search, and add a point of your question...
Please pose a photo of the screen, at least.
Thank's
the hd2 is very good in sunlight ... de best HTC device (screen) untill now.
still the iphone is a little better.
i saw hd2 in real under the sun light. difference with iphone? NO! hd2 perfectly shows its display in any condition. just 2 differences: 1) hd2's glass is more reflecting in comparison with the iphone one, but this doesn't affect its usability 2) the tft-panel adopted in hd2 has got more contrast, black is blacker!
gsmarena
Well, what you say makes me a little bit happier, because there is a preview on gsmarena.com and they say HD2 sucks under the sunlight (though the overall preview is very positive, they say sun light legibility is poor)
I also read a post by xmoo who owns a HD2 said sunlight legibility sucked. :confused
Still no conclusive answer. I guess we need a photo comparison between iPhone, Touch HD and HD2.
mobile-review
According to some pictures from mobile-review (there is a review in russian, google translate is not 100 procent), it looks not so bad (they say it´s better than on previous HTC devices)...problem is the screen reflects too much, but it looks to me colours are not washed out
This is a big concern of mine. I love the specs of the n1 but I've read that nothing can be seen on the screen in direct sunlight. I'd buy an HTC HD2 because I can even read books in sunlight with it but they stick with the win mobile and I like to have an android phone. So what do you say about n1 screen quality in comparison to the htc hd2 screen?
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This is a big concern of mine. I love the specs of the n1 but I've read that nothing can be seen on the screen in direct sun light. I'd buy an HTC HD2 because I can even read books in sunlight with it but they stick with the win mobile and I like to have an android phone. So what do you say about n1 screen quality?
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The only people who say this are people who don't know how to use the phone. Basically there is an automatic brightness option that changes the brightness based on how bright it is around the phone. Unfortunately, it seems like this feature always keeps the screen fairly dim, so I don't like it.
I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
People who say the screen doesn't work in sunlight don't know how to disable this feature (ie don't know how to use Android / change simple settings).
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I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
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I've seen an app on an htc hd2 that changes the brightness automatically but one can adjust the brightness for specific surround conditions (i.e it looks like a graphical equalizer). I do not own the phone but I was told that this app works quite good. Is there something similar for the n1?
I can attest the screen pretty much sucks in sunligh at full brightness. The beaming sun in south florida is relentless.
Yeah, the N1 is hard to read in the bright sun and its not just pooping on stupid people that dont understand computerz or a simple setting that fixes it, it just gives glare in the sun.
Most phones/screens, regardless of their technology, are difficult to see in direct sunlight. But then, why are you trying to read the screen in direct sunlight? Just turn the other way, or shield it with your hand. Not that hard to figure out, really.
I use the automatic light sensor all the time. The only time is gets confused is is in a dim room, bright source (window, lamp) directly in front of the sensor. You have to realize what the sensor is seeing. Often times it's seeing light reflected off your face, hence the up/down/up/down of the screen brightness.
I honestly don't see either as issues with the phone, but the users rather.
I've had no problems using my Nexus One in direct sunlight.
Raymond77 said:
I've had no problems using my Nexus One in direct sunlight.
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really? i will be honest, i cannot see **** in direct sunlight unless i have the brightness all the way up... and that screen on full brightness is a battery hog...
I have no major probs with mine in direct sunlight, it's not that much different to the G1. I'm sure there are phones with better screens for direct sunlight but it's far from unusable.
The auto brightness feature works fine, you just have to wait a couple of seconds for it to adjust. Only people who don't know how to use the phone disable it and waste all their battery.
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really? i will be honest, i cannot see **** in direct sunlight unless i have the brightness all the way up... and that screen on full brightness is a battery hog...
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Really. I usually leave the screen set to auto, on the odd occasion I've had to turn it up to the brightest setting, but as the last poster said usually it'll catch up and turn the brightness up itself.
snoopstah said:
I have no major probs with mine in direct sunlight, it's not that much different to the G1. I'm sure there are phones with better screens for direct sunlight but it's far from unusable.
The auto brightness feature works fine, you just have to wait a couple of seconds for it to adjust. Only people who don't know how to use the phone disable it and waste all their battery.
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Or people who don't have any problem with the battery? With my use the battery lasts for 20+ hours, which is more than enough time for me to get to a charger again.
I always have the brightness at max and have had it that way for all the phones I've had (where you can set the brightness). If I'm gonna be more than a day without charging it I'll of course turn it down, but it's far from a neccesity for day to day use.
Just checked my phone and it's been off the charger for 16 hours and I still have 53% left on the battery.
Brightness in the direct Thai sunlight is fully adequate. The only problem I've had is that in direct sunlight, everything else is well lit, and so reflects off the screen.
Brightness: no problem
Reflection off the screen: annoying.
Paul22000 said:
The only people who say this are people who don't know how to use the phone. Basically there is an automatic brightness option that changes the brightness based on how bright it is around the phone. Unfortunately, it seems like this feature always keeps the screen fairly dim, so I don't like it.
I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
People who say the screen doesn't work in sunlight don't know how to disable this feature (ie don't know how to use Android / change simple settings).
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False. I know this phone well and disabled the auto brightness within 20 minutes of owning the phone. As much as I love my N1, and would not trade it for any phone, the amazing OMLED screen is one of the worst screens I've used as far as clarity in direct sunlight. This is not an N1 problem, but a problem with OLED screens in general. Assuming the new iPhone that should be released in June will have an OLED screen, it will have the same problem in direct sunlight.
You can buy anti-glare screen protectors that help this problem, but you do sacrifice some of the stunning brightness and clarity of the N1 screen in regular viewing conditions.
There is no way I would trade the N1 screen for the likes of the iPhone screen as the benefits of the OLED screen in non-direct sunlight viewing far outweighs the difficulty seeing the screen in direct sunlight. In fact, the N1 screen is probably its most impressive feature (aside from its blazing speed).
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the amazing OMLED screen is one of the worst screens I've used as far as clarity in direct sunlight. This is not an N1 problem, but a problem with OLED screens in general. Assuming the new iPhone that should be released in June will have an OLED screen, it will have the same problem in direct sunlight.
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of cause this is the n1 problem and yours in the end! How are you suppose to take pictures with the n1 if you see nothing on the screen? How you suppose to dial a number if you see nothing on the screen? Saying this is not the phone to blame but the screen manufacturing process sounds stupid to me.
I have never in my life encountered an electronic device with a screen that was perfectly readable in direct sunlight, that is to say, as readable as indoors (not even my laptop plugged in the mains and set to full brightness). Reason: no screen technology can provide as much brightness as the sun. Solution: accept it, and cover the screen with one hand while you use the device with the other....
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of cause this is the n1 problem and yours in the end! How are you suppose to take pictures with the n1 if you see nothing on the screen? How you suppose to dial a number if you see nothing on the screen? Saying this is not the phone to blame but the screen manufacturing process sounds stupid to me.
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take pictures: look over the device and hit the shutter button..
input: open you jacket and form the number while providing shadow with it, or provide shadow with one hand while forming the number with the other. It's a fact that you need to accept, period.
Video sunlight test
Here is a video I found, it basically compares the N1's screen in sunlight to the Droid's screen at three different brightness levels. Enjoy.
youtube. com/watch?v=YwyJq6oF4wE
note, since I'm new I can't post links... just remove the space
The screen is really nice in normal light but yeah it sucks in the sunlight LOL Probably depends where you live but in sunny South Florida it's a pain sometimes. Doesn't matter which direction you turn definitely have to shield it with your hand and it's still pretty hard to read. I'm looking into getting an anti glare screen protector for it to see how that helps. The display is absolutely beautiful but i'm starting to think maybe oled isn't the best technology for cell phone screens
Oled
The main difference between the screen technology in the N1 and most other phones is that on the N1, as I understand it, each pixel emits its own light (OLED = Organic Light Emitting Diode) as opposed to a 'liquid' film lighted from the back (LCD = Liquid Crystal Display). The only technology that I know of that will work well in direct sunlight is e-ink.
It is not likely that a pixel or a backlight could ever reasonably compete with direct sunlight, but on an LCD screen it is possible for the sunlight to reflect off the back layer or to hold the device is a certain angle to 'perhap's see the image better in sunlight then on the OLED type display.
However, having the N1 myself, I have found that I am able to shade the display in full Southern California Sunlight well enough to function with the device. The OLED display is much too gorgious to give up for LCD in my opinion.
Can anyone please comment on outdoor visibility with the M's screen? How about overall brightness. On my S3, one of the huge knocks I have on it is the outdoor visibility. It's nearly just washed out and blank in direct sunlight glare. I was at the Bucs football game on Sunday and damn could I not read much, even on full brightness it was bad and sucked my battery up. My fiancee's 4S screen however was at mid brightness and it was perfectly visible. Another Galaxy user commented on how she could actually see the screen when doing a group self-portrait =)
Anyway, I've read several S3 screen comparisons and know it's not the best..pentile and all and seeing the M has an AMOLED pentile display, I'm curious about outdoor visibility and overall brightness. Thanks!!
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Can anyone please comment on outdoor visibility with the M's screen? How about overall brightness. On my S3, one of the huge knocks I have on it is the outdoor visibility. It's nearly just washed out and blank in direct sunlight glare. I was at the Bucs football game on Sunday and damn could I not read much, even on full brightness it was bad and sucked my battery up. My fiancee's 4S screen however was at mid brightness and it was perfectly visible. Another Galaxy user commented on how she could actually see the screen when doing a group self-portrait =)
Anyway, I've read several S3 screen comparisons and know it's not the best..pentile and all and seeing the M has an AMOLED pentile display, I'm curious about outdoor visibility and overall brightness. Thanks!!
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Not nearly as good as the Droid or D3. Its readable in direct sunlight but I have to really look closely. For example on a contact it is very hard to see the different number categories like Home, Mobile, etc. They should have used a bigger font.
Can anyone please tell me how Galaxy s4 screen handles Sunligh is it same as S^3
It's not that great, I have not comparted it to S3 but it is sometimes hard to see what's on the screen (it was better on my fake S3 from China). The most annoying thing is if you have autobrightness turned on and you get a call while outside, it takes about 3 seconds to increase the brightness (if you take the phone out of your pocket) of the screen for you to see who is calling.
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It's not that great, I have not comparted it to S3 but it is sometimes hard to see what's on the screen (it was better on my fake S3 from China). The most annoying thing is if you have autobrightness turned on and you get a call while outside, it takes about 3 seconds to increase the brightness (if you take the phone out of your pocket) of the screen for you to see who is calling.
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I'm always using a anti glare screen protector, it improves around 70% in the minimum brightness! I guess is not a bad idea to have one on
leeomendes said:
I'm always using a anti glare screen protector, it improves around 70% in the minimum brightness! I guess is not a bad idea to have one on
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yes but you are from London its not sunny there
cihanleanne said:
yes but you are from London its not sunny there
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Read again. I am from Brazil living in London, already tested the same screen protector there, of course is not the same effect but is much better than without it.
cihanleanne said:
Can anyone please tell me how Galaxy s4 screen handles Sunligh is it same as S^3
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Better then s3 for sure since it has a higher ppi
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Tbh I've never had any problems with visibility in sunlight. The smudges shine, but that's the case with any phone. AMOLED is by nature pretty good in sunlight, it's nothing you should worry about.
Definitely an improvement over S3, at least with auto brightness on. You can see what you're doing even in strong sunshine.
Tozenator said:
Tbh I've never had any problems with visibility in sunlight. The smudges shine, but that's the case with any phone. AMOLED is by nature pretty good in sunlight, it's nothing you should worry about.
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Amoled is NOT 'good by nature' in sunlight. LCDs however are because when the sun shines straight onto it they show their reflective side (as opposed to their blocking/filtering side during normal operations) and you can still read/see what you're doing. That way LCDs are NOT pretty but they're readable. NO Amoled I know of is very readable in the same conditions. Again, this is with the screen in direct sunlight on a nice and sunny day.
What did get better, when compared to the S3, is: screen is brighter and the colour scheme for email changed from dark (which makes things worse in sunlight) to a brighter scheme
As for those matte screen protectors: worst thing EVER on a high res display
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Better then s3 for sure since it has a higher ppi
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I love that logic! Thanks for making me smile
ok just bought 2 HTC Ones tried S4 and it was no good under sunlight HTC one handled it much better and i wanted to help HTC by buying from them dont want that company to go down
your opnion, alright ^^ for me is still better with the screen protector than without it. of course u cant buy the **** ones... my one is perfect, still a awesome screen for me
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Amoled is NOT 'good by nature' in sunlight. LCDs however are because when the sun shines straight onto it they show their reflective side (as opposed to their blocking/filtering side during normal operations) and you can still read/see what you're doing. That way LCDs are NOT pretty but they're readable. NO Amoled I know of is very readable in the same conditions. Again, this is with the screen in direct sunlight on a nice and sunny day.
What did get better, when compared to the S3, is: screen is brighter and the colour scheme for email changed from dark (which makes things worse in sunlight) to a brighter scheme
As for those matte screen protectors: worst thing EVER on a high res display
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Oh really? Sorry about that then, I need to get my facts straight. I wonder where I got that idea.
But anyway, personally I've had no troubles with my screen in sunlight. Then again I do live in a nordic country so sunlight isn't as bright.
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Oh really? Sorry about that then, I need to get my facts straight. I wonder where I got that idea.
But anyway, personally I've had no troubles with my screen in sunlight. Then again I do live in a nordic country so sunlight isn't as bright.
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I hear what you're saying and, no hard feelings, but here in Autralia I was forced to go back inside on a number of occasions (although this was with an S3) because I could not read ANYTHING on my screen. If you think about it, Amoled produces light.....how is that going to stack up against the light produced by the sun....not too well. A LCD or TFT display has a backlight and some sort of 'layer' that blocks/filters the backlight. Even in direct sunlight this is readable because that 'layer' is clearly visible and becomes reflective. To be honest it's more black and white at that point but it works. Of course the dark S3 theme din't help. I would imagine in environments that are not as bright the S3 and (even more so) the S4 would work without issues even in direct sunlight.
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leeomendes said:
your opnion, alright ^^ for me is still better with the screen protector than without it. of course u cant buy the **** ones... my one is perfect, still a awesome screen for me
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Whatever works for you. I'm just saying that all the 'matte' and 'anti-glare' protectors I had just made the image fuzzy due to the....well...rough(?) surface of the protector. They used to be fine in the old QVGA days but now I find them reducing the sharpness of the image.