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Choices, choices

Hi guys. First off; I'm getting a new phone next month and I'm looking to get a wp7 device, but which one?
I've narrowed down two options:
- Htc hd7, £30 p/m 500mb data, unlimited sms and 300mins (Orange network)
- Samsung omnia 7, £30 p/m 1gb data, 5000 sms, 500mins, free Skype calls (Three network)
I know it may seem the omnia is a much better deal, but the screen size and HTC hub are very attractive. So, could owners of both give me some ideas as to which I should take the plunge for?
Thanks in advance.
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I was using HTC hero with Orange but the reception for me is really bad (east London).....i can never talk more than 1 minute in my own home.
I recently bought the omnia 7 with T-mobile £35 per month 900 Min and 500 txt including
a flexible booster....i can now talk with ease in my own home.
The Omnia 7 is just beautiful compared to the HTC HD7 beacuse of the SUPER AMOLED screen.....but unfortunately Omnia 7 is only 8 gb but HTC HD7 is 16 gig
I'd go for quality....

I recently got the Onmia 7... very very very nice handset, its very quick it looks stunning and thank god isnt made by HTC.
The memory on the omnia is built into the phone with chips and not Micro SD, this has its pros and cons.
The pros are its very fast, games loader quicker..there are vids on youtube to show this.
The cons - cant upgrade size
The screen is really something to see, its Beautiful
HTC seem to be putting more effort into their android phones than the WP7, which is fair enough its a new product and possibly they dont believe it will sell much, android on the other is has a waiting list on the Desire of 6000 on Orange Uk network, so thats defo a seller they will back.
Ive had a few HTC devices over the last few years and they always seem to come short of being what you want (my personal opinon).
Also the camera on the Onmia is a 5MP and isnt the best but is ok as a happy snapper.. good when you need a quick pic. That being said I think the only handset that has a better one is the HTC Mozart with 8MP.. but if you want something that takes Professional Pics go buy a proper camera from Nikon or Olympus.
Hope this helps

I've had a play with the Omnia 7, and it's a good phone no doubt - the screen really pops, but I actually prefer the LCD on the HD7 for day to day - the Omnia is not realistic and too saturated.
The HD7 has a bigger screen, which if you use it for browsing etc is a big advantage. I found myself reconfiguring my router the other night using the wife's HD7 because she was using the laptop, and it was bloody brilliant I have to say - so easy to do, and definitely feel the extra screen size plays a big part here.
The HD7 is very well made - I've seen some reports to the contrary on here, but I can only imagine people have had bad luck because I can't fault the quality on the HD7.
There are early glitches with it - there always well be, but I'm sure there are with the Sammy as well. The manufacturers will release firmware updates to resolve this.
I would say what do you want the phone for - is storage space important, is size important (either big or small)? Make your decision on that basis as ultimately they are both pretty much the same hardware, and both are the same OS!
Oh, and HTC hub is more of a gimmick really, can't see the point in it overall since you now have the Metro UI instead. It looks nice, but can't see that you'd use it often as it's not the home screen.

rob_p said:
There are early glitches with it - there always well be, but I'm sure there are with the Sammy as well. The manufacturers will release firmware updates to resolve this.
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Agreed.. new OS's always have bugs.. the Samsung has them too, hope to be sorted soon by Microsoft.

Thanks for all of your responses, I think I'm going to go with the Samsung, I had a look at both devices in store today and the omnia 7 feels far better made and the games loaded much quicker; added to the beautiful screen is a winning combination. Thanks again for your responses I can't wait for my new phone!
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I've had both HD7 and Omnia 7 and the Omnia has much better build quality.
Oh and I would recommend going with a different network to 3, I signed up with them as they were the only shop to have a Omnia 7 in, I am not impressed with them at all.

Milky1 said:
I've had both HD7 and Omnia 7 and the Omnia has much better build quality.
Oh and I would recommend going with a different network to 3, I signed up with them as they were the only shop to have a Omnia 7 in, I am not impressed with them at all.
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Thanks for the info, I'm not sure I've never been with three and the only other deal that comes close is with orange who I'm currently on and have shocking coverage in my area. My mate who lives down the road has an omnia 7 with three and the signal is great where mine is awful :S
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I've got the omnia 7 and the quality of the screen just blows me away every time i look at it

Milky1 said:
I've had both HD7 and Omnia 7 and the Omnia has much better build quality.
Oh and I would recommend going with a different network to 3, I signed up with them as they were the only shop to have a Omnia 7 in, I am not impressed with them at all.
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I think it just depends more on where you live. I've been with 3 for the past 12 months and have found the network to be great.

Samsung Omnia 7
Somehow got the £35 month deal 900 min, 500 texts, unlimited landline calls, for £30 a month with t-mobile on a renewal i kept waiting for 3 months for Winmo7 deals. Wanted the HTC Pro 7 when it came out, But couldn't wait any longer
Along with comeradealexi everytime i look at the screen it's amazing. Glad i took it over the HTC. Bright, Crisp, Colour looks great.
I see jip about features such as settings that drain the bat are automaticly disabled like the camera features but i've come to think they work. the bat isn't the GREATEST i've noticed, so anything to keep it alive and kicking longer is A+ in my books.
The audio on the Samsung is amazing, and better than most bluray decoders i'm seeing because of the requirments of this thing.
And i'm glad they went NAND style storage *thumbs up Samsung*, Quicker, Snappy than SD and what you would expect as xbox's use the same style Nand storage but they only use 4gb in the new models, anyone who wants more GBs is just being silly, I'f you get a £500+ smartphone and can't afford Zune Pass while you have the phone then your should get another phone for music or your gonna moan. Simple as that.

Whatever you do, stay away from three. I think you can get an omnia 7 from t-mobile/orange instead.

t-mobile man, they always been good to me, plus we can use oranges signal now whatever that means to more coverage in 2G at least.

Right, found another deal which I'm defo going to go for.
-Free omnia 7
-T-mobile 24month
-600 mins
-500 sms
-Unlimited Data allowance
-Best of all £25 per month!
Thanks again for your responses.
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wwfc said:
Right, found another deal which I'm defo going to go for.
-Free omnia 7
-T-mobile 24month
-600 mins
-500 sms
-Unlimited Data allowance
-Best of all £25 per month!
Thanks again for your responses.
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Where did you find this deal?

Buymobilephones.net
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rashlan976 said:
I think it just depends more on where you live. I've been with 3 for the past 12 months and have found the network to be great.
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It's not so much the coverage, it's...well, a story:
When I went to O2 to get a HD7 the guy came over right away and we went through the form filling out and he explained everything and it all went smoothly. My number was ported within a few hours and all was good. When I took the phone back they didn't even ask why I wanted to return it they just put it through the till and refunded me all the money. They were great.
Then I went to the 3 store next door, the guy came over soon enough and said he had 1 Omnia 7 left. When I said I would take it we went over to the computers and while we were entering the details in he kept trying to sell me various things, first a router, then 3 home broadband. That was the first thing to annoy me, O2 did not try to sell me anything extra, not even a case.
After all the forms were done I gave him the PAC code and he said my number would be ported within 24 hours, it took 3 days. And even after 3 days it still had call forwarding on for some reason, so I rang the support line and of course the call centres are in India. The support guy couldn't help at all he said just wait longer basically. In the end I had to do the special code thing to get rid of it.

Honest opinion- should I grab a Nexus S?

I can get the NS for 99 bucks through Best Buy Mobile. Is it worth it, honestly? I'd have to sign a two year contract and probably be tied into the new 2 gb data cap.
No dual core, essentially a Vibe with guaranteed updates. Worth it?

Not to me. If u could pick it up off craigslist for 200 2 250 itd be worth it
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Depends if you can live with these drawbacks:
No camera zoom
No Tap focus on camera
No ext SD
No 4G
No 720P HD recording
I bought it, its an EXCELLENT phone, loved it but returned it due to camera related drawbacks. At least you don't miss superamoled if you go NS route.

$99 plus 2 year contract you will be paying more than 99 for the phone in the long run think its $20 more a month for being on contract that pretty much pays for the phone...add it up
you will be paying more than what the phone is worth
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not sure if off contract plans are still available
Id wait for the galaxy s 2 to hit tmobile should be in a couple months
also that 2GB cap isn't really true
Ive gone over my 2gb cap almost every month since September and never got capped

I upgraded from the Vibrant to a Nexus S the week the NS came out. I was so tired of Vibrant lag and piss-poor battery life.
Last week, I upgraded again, from my NS back to my old Vibrant. I was tired of the lack of memory card, gorilla glass, and hd recording, and I'd discovered one can ameliorate lag and battery life through the proper use of ROMs.
I really do feel like I've upgraded the phone; using the Vibrant now is a totally different experience than it used to be.
Let's be honest: the NS is a "developer" phone, which is great (and a lot of people are doing great work on it), but really pretty much every Android phone is a developer phone if you care to roll your sleeves up. Stock Gingerbread is great (though not all that much greater than Froyo), but seriously, how long are any of us on stock anything before we're rooting and flashing?
I never used the NS front-facing camera. I never used the NFC. And those are really the only two differences from the Vibrant I can really see that can't be overcome with ROM changes.
Long story short, the NS isn't really an upgrade. It's more lateral, and you're sacrificing memory and HD for software you're likely just going to change, anyway.

demo23019 said:
$99 plus 2 year contract you will be paying more than 99 for the phone in the long run think its $20 more a month for being on contract that pretty much pays for the phone...add it up
you will be paying more than what the phone is worth
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not sure if off contract plans are still available
Id wait for the galaxy s 2 to hit tmobile should be in a couple months
also that 2GB cap isn't really true
Ive gone over my 2gb cap almost every month since September and never got capped
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Being off contract is not always better, I actually get a better deal being in contract than I am off contract.
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As for the OP, I wouldn't bother with the NS as it isn't worth the upgrade for less features and straight updates from google (IMO anyways). I'd wait for the upcoming dual core phones, possibly the SGS2.

For $99 its pretty good, but of course there are definitely better phones out there, so it depends on what you're upgrading from and how soon you want it.

Vibrant is an amazing phone because of extensive library of custom roms and the community here.
Nexus S has the same hardware as Vibrant without the nice custom roms.
So just wait for better phone like Galaxy S2

NO! wait for the sgs2. that baby is going to hold the number 1 ranking for best smartphone for a long time similar to the way the iphone and the htc desire hd held it

Im debating the sensation tbqh. I was never one of the #neveragain people- but I like that most htc phones get cm and miui rather quickly. I think I might htc and then get the sgs 3 afterwards.
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If it were back then when it came out, sure, but since it's right now when T-Mobile has just gotten the LG G2X, hell no. You are losing a lot of features you could get for a device that could cost you 100 dollars more.
LG G2X:
Tegra 2 @ 1ghz
4 inch display
SD card support
8mp camera w/ 1080p video ( not sure if it supports zoom)
Stock 2.2 (dev support is strong and it's stockish plus T-Mobile stated you will note have to wait long at all for 2.3, they have been working on it before launch)
4g
Nexus S:
Hummingbird @ 1ghz
4 inch SAMOLED( wins in that department for sure)
No SD card
5mp camera with no HD video recording or zoom
Stock 2.3+( this will get updates fast, but if you do not care about updates it fine, since the G2X can get Cyanogenmod I think)
3g only
A little bonus NFC
But if you want to wait for something that just out classes the G2X completely, wait for the Samsung Galaxy S2. Faster processor more RAM, better camera ( might be debatable compared to the LG G2X though), better screen, and it comes with 2.3. Wait for the Galaxy S2 or get the G2X, my advice.
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[July 21][Q] Is it really worth to buy HD2 now?

Hi everybody in this wonderfull forum.
To get straight to the point, I'm planning to get a new phone in the next month.
I've serched alot but found no smartphone has multi-boot abilities like HTC HD2. The HTC HD2 has 'quiet' good hardware in comparison to current smartphones on stores shelves. You all know that already.
The problem is, for an outdated device like that, is it worth buying it new? as i don't trust used smartphones anyway.
The way i see it like this:
Yes, very worthwhile because:
Large nice display;
Multible OS support, live in many worlds;
While WM6.5 is depricated, still very functional specially with HTC sense;
The price is affordable according to the fact that it is old somehow.
No, it's worthless because:
Display is sub-bar to currnet devices display regarding multitouch, 65K colors limitation, and overall quality against S.AMOLED Plus or Retina displays for example;
Multible OS support is great but won't go without issues. At least won't be as fluid as native OS on its own device;
Camera is not decent (no 720p video recording, at least as much as i'm aware of);
The price is affordable yes but i can add up a bit more and get newer phone that is better hardware wise and withought much issues.
I know this question might been asked many times. still i ask as it is time dependent and the answer change over time.
What do you guys recommend me to do?
Buy HTC HD2 and fulfill your needs to 'Have It All' and don't complain about any issues;
The time is over for an outdated device even with multiple OS's possibility, save your money son.
Thank you all in advance,
Ahmed.

Personnally I would go for a newer device. Windows Phone 7 as it stands I don't think is worth having and all the apps are far to expensive. Android is the only thing I would use on this phone. Also after using MIUI (I'm going to say it) I have realised how much I like this Iphone style software, so I might wait around until the new Iphone is out. If not I will be upgrading to something like the new evo 3d.
Having said all that tho I might even hang on to my HD2 for a bit longer as it isn't slow doing anything I throw at it unless I add the new sense onto it.
Hope this helps

Is say buy a re-conditioned hd2 save some money, android feels native to my hd2 its more native than most android devices because it has a bigger team working on it.
Is you want android and you want to save some ££££ get one if you want android and £££££ aren't an issue get the galaxy2
If you don't want android then I don't want to talk to you.... lol
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Where are you? Amazon us are doing new T-Mobile versions (1024) new for $299
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this all comes down to how much you plan on spending for a new phone. also if you wouldn't mind a new to you phone (referb/used) i would check out ebay. you can get them sometimes rather cheap..well under $200. if your due for an upgrade anytime soon then i would get a new device. i will say though, i had the touch pro 2 and then went to a "true" android phone the mytouch 3g slide but i missed all you could do with the tp2 so i sold my mt3gs and bought a hd2 off ebay for $120. i couldn't be happier with this phone. if you wouldnt consider yourself a heavy cell phone user and take the hd2 to its limits i also would say it might be better for you to just buy a new phone. letstalk and wirefly always seem to have good deals on new phones plus if you hunt down promo codes you can save yourself a lot of money. it knocked off $80 on 1 purchase and got a free bluetooth on another.

Jammie_1989 said:
Personnally I would go for a newer device. Windows Phone 7 as it stands I don't think is worth having and all the apps are far to expensive. Android is the only thing I would use on this phone. Also after using MIUI (I'm going to say it) I have realised how much I like this Iphone style software, so I might wait around until the new Iphone is out. If not I will be upgrading to something like the new evo 3d.
Having said all that tho I might even hang on to my HD2 for a bit longer as it isn't slow doing anything I throw at it unless I add the new sense onto it.
Hope this helps
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Thank you for your reply.
So to sum it up, you think no need to buy new. and iPhone looks better value in your eyes.

htccraze said:
this all comes down to how much you plan on spending for a new phone. also if you wouldn't mind a new to you phone (referb/used) i would check out ebay. you can get them sometimes rather cheap..well under $200. if your due for an upgrade anytime soon then i would get a new device. i will say though, i had the touch pro 2 and then went to a "true" android phone the mytouch 3g slide but i missed all you could do with the tp2 so i sold my mt3gs and bought a hd2 off ebay for $120. i couldn't be happier with this phone. if you wouldnt consider yourself a heavy cell phone user and take the hd2 to its limits i also would say it might be better for you to just buy a new phone. letstalk and wirefly always seem to have good deals on new phones plus if you hunt down promo codes you can save yourself a lot of money. it knocked off $80 on 1 purchase and got a free bluetooth on another.
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Seems nice point of view. Thank you

Not a problem. I even found radioshack at times have good sale prices on they're phones. I think all of these will even let you use your upgrade if your due for one. if you do plan even down the road i found it worth wild to try to find those promo codes. just go to your browser..yahoo/google whatever and type in wirefly promo codes or wirefly coupon codes. it will give you tons of sites but if you take a little time like i said it could save you a good amount of money. glad i could be of any help.

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Where are you? Amazon us are doing new T-Mobile versions (1024) new for $299
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Thank you,
Just to make it clear, i currently hold Blackberry Curve 8520 that i want to replace. The next phone would be my main phone for at least 2 years. I live in Egypt so no access to T-Mobile stuff i think.
If i to buy a phone, no way i could change soon. my budget now about 3000 L.E or 500 USD. Still, i know phone prices are higher in Egypt than USA so don't let that 500 USD think of high end devices as i wont be able to get them here with that price.

you could always look for a device that could be used world wide and buy it in the U.S offline from someplace like amazon/ebay etc and have it shipped to Egypt. Im really ignorant to what would be in Egypt and wouldn't as far as stores so im not sure what would and wouldn't work. sorry. i did almost buy the g2 from ebay in the UK because it was a lot cheaper there then here in the US and the seller told me it would work but i bought the hd2 instead so i dont know for sure. i can say the hd2 is a gsm phone so like tmobile or if its unlocked you can use at&t. im sure there are ways to get it on different gsm providers but im clueless of how to flash it over.

Yep that's a problem. I don't know what i buy abroad would work here or not. besides shipping has costs plus government share ... i think it'd be the same if i buy form local stores besides the guarantee that what i buy works.

I'm using a second hand one after smashing my old one, never had an issue you'll pick one up for £160 (15k)
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Ask your questions in here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623197
Or pm any of the users
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Go for new device. Go for Samsung galaxy s2. But if htc hd2 satisfies ur needs then go for it, no need to go for new devices.

go get it!
i've got one just a month ago, after waiting for financial resources.
i think is the best phone ever!

I was wondering about this too and was told that some devs are working on the Desire HD. Might be something to look into.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=765

the htc hd2 can run ROMs that are desire & desire hd base so thats always a plus but considering that the next phone will be your main phone for two years i really think buying a new phone is the best route for you. also if you ask whats a good phone in a specific model thread everyone will tell you they have the best phone so checking out reviews on sites like cnet.com & testfreaks.com are probably your best option as far as getting an idea on a good phone. i still would check the threads after you have an idea on a couple phones you like just to see what people can do with those phone's that aren't really listed in the specs.

Thank you guys for sharing your thoughts. I red them all and figured out this. i like to play with different OS's. This is what i do on PCs so, i guess if i'm bounded to a single OS (however its greatness), i'd miss having other mobiles with other OS's. The HTC HD2 seems a good deal to me. And its hardware is not that bad afterall.
Thank you again,

i buyed a broken hd2 for 90€ 1 month ago. all i can say it's that it's a wonderful smartphone, no other phone on the planet can run 5/6 OS, android feels like native, and developement is still real active. i didn't feel the need of a faster smartphone.
hardware is really good, photo aren't bad, we have 720p recording with wp7 and soon on android too, screen is ok, multitouch is perfect, it lacks video out, but how many time we need a tv-out? (i used tv-out on my ipod video 2/3 times in 3/4 years just to test it), it lack a frontal camera, but hey! i hate calling, i double hate video calling
so i didn't need anything else

Yep you are totaly right in my opinion. However, i saw many videos on youtube complaining about battery life even on the stock os. i know big screen = battery drain faster. but 6 or 8 hours aren't accepted at all as some videos shows. They also said stuff about lags and the need to restart the phone few times weekly and sometimes daily. Can anybody confirm or deny this claim? I'd appreciate it.

[Q] Worth to buy HD2, yet? ~ $450 :D

Hello.
I'm a computer student, a poor computer student! who can change his phone every 2 years! I earn money with hard student working. It's time to change now, I've a (crappy) LG Arena KM900 for 2 years and I cant really ignore this piece of wasted money anymore. Short story...
Is it reasonable to buy a HD2 for about 450 USD?! Here I can find used HD2 for $330 too but who cares, I can't trust other people (and their great used phone!).
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Another option is Galaxy S, I9000 with exactly 455 USD, no used one found. Now what you think? I can also have a Moto Milestone (used) for $290. Here we don't access to int postal & payment services so just forget amazon, ebay and...
- I've enjoyed changing my Arena theme with some geeky tricks! so HD2 with all of this roms and os selections...
- I'm afraid of HD2 production to be stopped and I miss my dreams phone! else I really don't care of new phones with 8 cpu cores or 12mp cameras!
- My current phone dpesn't have bluetooth PAN ability which is used for using phone internet connection on PC. does HD2 have this?
- I'm a fan of wp7, can I count on HD2 with this os? what about battery life?!
- is is reaaly so BIG that I can't put it in my jeans pocket?
Thanks you

Hello,
First of all,
-Yes, the HD2 does have bluetooth PAN.
-WP7 has some bugs on the HD2 which briefly are:
+*Multitouch does not work properly.
+*Compass is not working with Mango (until now).
+*There seems to be a lot of people struggling with the battery life. (however I have not had that).
+*The speaker's sound is horrible.
-It's big when you are using it, and small when you are to put it into your pocket (it's not that big).
Also, you have to be aware of two things:
The HD2 has two major issues, one being the touchscreen, some devices lose their touchscreens after an amount of time.
The second thing is, the End button may wear off for frequent use or become too hard to press, and sometimes this may also cause the screen to become unresponsive.
(correct me if I'm wrong)
My opinion,
For a two years old device, $450 can get you something better. But if you can get it less, I'd definitely recommend getting one .
But the HD2 is still the best for me, and I don't think I'm changing it, not at least for another year .

You can get a used HTC HD2 for ~$150 and ship it to wherever you live

Marvlesz said:
My opinion,
For an almost 3 years old device, $450 can get you something better. But if you can get it less, I'd definitely recommend getting one .
But the HD2 is still the best for me, and I don't think I'm changing it, not at least for another year .
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Not so old, sir! It released 2009 november, so it's exactly 2 years old...

pappt said:
Not so old, sir! It released 2009 november, so it's exactly 2 years old...
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You are correct. However, I counted it as 2009 YOP and now we are almost 2012.

More like $200.00 I STILL HAVE MINE EXACTLY 2YRS OLD

Marvlesz said:
Hello,
First of all,
-Yes, the HD2 does have bluetooth PAN.
-WP7 has some bugs on the HD2 which briefly are:
+*Multitouch does not work properly.
+*Compass is not working with Mango (until now).
+*There seems to be a lot of people struggling with the battery life. (however I have not had that).
+*The speaker's sound is horrible.
-It's big when you are using it, and small when you are to put it into your pocket (it's not that big).
Also, you have to be aware of two things:
The HD2 has two major issues, one being the touchscreen, some devices lose their touchscreens after an amount of time.
The second thing is, the End button may wear off for frequent use or become too hard to press, and sometimes this may also cause the screen to become unresponsive.
(correct me if I'm wrong)
My opinion,
For a two years old device, $450 can get you something better. But if you can get it less, I'd definitely recommend getting one .
But the HD2 is still the best for me, and I don't think I'm changing it, not at least for another year .
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Thank you, very useful answer
So you say if I buy an unused device then take care of that then still I may have problems with screen & buttons?
Let's make it clear, I'm on my decide for HD2, it's about one whole year that I'm reading reviews and following software improvements... this topic is actually a try to forget all those fresh and stylish gadgets
But! if you think HD2 will disappoint me then which phone should I buy instead? to me SGS is also attractive, you know, because of it's roms & customizations + great hardware.
Should I forget HD2 because of it's old hardware and expensive price in my country? then I think it's better to wait and buy a NOW DAYS phone when I have enough money?! or you have a better offer...?
More like $200.00 I STILL HAVE MINE EXACTLY 2YRS OLD
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and you're still happy with this monster?
if you were me then what?

Hey myview.ir ,
i bought my own HD2 5 days ago for 230 $ on Ebay.
It was declared as "nearly new without any scratches".
Windows Mobile gave out a compleate speaking time of 5 Minutes!
Go out and search a nice looking HD2 on Ebay, buy it with Paypal and you'll be happy with it (of course, install Android 2.35 with Sense like this one:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1298188 ).
I'm a "poor" student too - so don't waste your money for buying things like new smartphones

I also bought mine for 230$ Its really great phone I moved from SE x10 just one week ago. I took me like 1 day to learn how to install, modify nand to be able to install android but I figured it out and when I saw rom with sense 3.5 for the first time ever I said it was the best move I could do Hd2 has much bigger community and roms works much better :] Already installed shadowgun and guest what? It works really great smooth and fast so the question is why wouldn't I love this phone?

thank you Cadilac & sab3r
I'm in love with this device, mainly because of of that it's not a phone like any others, yes my friend recently bought a shiny xperia arc s wich is really great looking and he is so happy with that but I'm not of that type! It's vivid, anyone who stayed with HD2 has a reason and it's freedom, oh ah :]
ok. Shopping from ebay is a normal thing for you, but here in my country if you want to have a $100 paypal payment then you have to pay $130! we don't have paypal or visa or master here, whoahh :\
prepareing for $450 deal
I'm crazy. huh!

This is an amazing phone, after 18 months I still don't want to change it despite being an early adopter in most things (which is always tough on my low salary!). I'd definitely recommend this phone, but as others say, look at the $230-250 range of prices. Good luck!
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Love my HD2. Best phone ever!!!!!!!! Recently broke my phone. Got a new one for $150. Cant bet that......lol

Also got to say - love this phone - play with it more than I use it!
Also dropped it a few times, cracked the small glass covering the camera lens but it seems to take better photos now.

450$ is far too much. I bought it new 340€ last year at a mall
less than 300$ can be reasonable.

Ok!
Thank you all, I'm still in love. Some people said to me about battery problems with HD2, compared to i9000 sgs. My current phone is horrible on this field and if HD2 has a weak battery then it's deal breaker for me! I know, it's a smartphone with massive screen and some energy eater parts inse but lets compare it to other HTC devices, like dhd or newer sensation...
and yeah, "berrutti" said that it's too much for a dated gadget. I don't know, maybe best thing I can do is going to the city shop and ask both HD2 & i9000 and play with them some minutes then trust my feel! I's hard to decide, fresh young device with well-known old hero.

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I bought a used T-Mobile HD2 right here on the XDA-Developers Market Forum for US$200, which included shipping. I suggest you try this as you can be fairly sure about who you are dealing with and their trustworthiness.

Because of my location any worlwide service will cost so much, if I want a used HD2 with $250 then it will finish $370 for me!
I've found some local used devices which doesn't have any additional cost, bust I don't know sellers! here I've listed them:
- HD2 with one year of usage, price: ~ $320
additional tools: 2 batteries & 8GB memory card
http://alldigitall.ir/specs.aspx?pid=2795
- HD2 with 2 years of usage, price: ~ $345
additional tools: TV cable & case
http://alldigitall.ir/specs.aspx?pid=2805
- Samsung galaxy S with 4 months of usage, price: ~ $370
http://alldigitall.ir/specs.aspx?pid=2804
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so,
I'm thinking!

myview.ir said:
Because of my location any worlwide service will cost so much, if I want a used HD2 with $250 then it will finish $370 for me!
I've found some local used devices which doesn't have any additional cost, bust I don't know sellers! here I've listed them:
so,
I'm thinking!
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It still might be worth your time to put an ad on the XDA-Developers Market Forum, as this is a worldwide forum, and just like you, not all members are in the US. There is a chance you could find someone in Ireland, or nearby in Europe, who has an HD2, and then your shipping charges would not be so high.

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I was very much like you and when i eventualy got my HD2 I wished I had done it sooner. It is the ultimate in customisation have broken the first one my fault i had to buy a replacement straight away that was a month ago . I didnt even consider any other phone. Just try to get a good price and see who has got one here it is international here look at the signatures
Mark

If you're in the US, try cowboom. I just bought a used one from there for $130US. the price increased to $140 a day later.
2 minor scratches on top. Buttons look worn out only if you look at it very closely. otherwise, it looks perfectly fine. I put WP7 on it and it's amazing. Also works a zune player (similar interface). runs as smooth if not smoother than my brand new htc sensation with android.

Looking for T-Mobile WP7 phone - is this a good choice?

I know I posted a while ago if this was a good replacement for my G2 - but now I'm looking to supplement it.
This would be over the other two current options, the Lumia 710 and the Radar. I love physical keyboards, and I'm assuming the screen between the three is the best (and obviously biggest). Plus, I like the reaction when I ask T-Mobile employees about it and then show them pics of it - most of them aren't even aware it exists. Front facing camera on the Radar is nice, but not a dealbreaker. They're all available to me for around the same price brand-new/off-contract.
Anyway, my concern is that it being an older phone, I'm not sure how much longer it'll be supported, and if it'll be supported into Tango/Apollo (not saying either the 710 or Radar will, though); although according to a post in this article, if Dell reps are getting them to replace other phones and it's still getting updates, I'm hoping it'll get supported for a while:
http://www.wpcentral.com/dell-shocks-world-releases-8107-os-update-unlocked-venue-pro
I'm aware of the lack of Wifi hotspot and compass, but neither really matter to me. I need a WP7 phone period (for work), and it has to be on T-Mobile, so it's just between these three phones.

Raw spec wise, the VP is 1 generation older.
It's a 4.1 AMOLED (no super, no plus, which means it's pentile)
Biggest diff is obviously the screen, the V/VP's screen isnt amazing but it's by no means bad, it's easily much better then any plain lcd it's age (but it's a year old, dunno how it compares to more recent lcds like the other 2 you mention) After using a 4.1 and 5.0" phone, I'm pretty sure there's no way I'm gonna go back to anything under 4.0" It's simply too small unless you're basically using it as a featurephone.
No WP7 device is really old enough to be EOLed yet, but the VP is a launch device so it will be among the first to EOL (whenever that is?)
The tmo one is only 99 cents on contract (if you consider that cheap) you can easily get a brand new one off ebay for less then $200. (New, unopened, and recently manufactured)
Full price: eh it's a hard sell.
On contract/less then full price: It's worth the money if you want a HW keyboard.
It's basically breaks down to: do you want the keyboard and screen size.

Screen Size and Keyboard make it a no brainer to me. I wont even consider reupping my contract for a new windows phone unless the screen is 4.3in minimum though. The 1st gen processor doesn't really matter much as WinPhone is so smooth...Just my thoughts.

I have both the dell VP and the 710. I have also spent time with the radar. There is no easy way to recommend, seeing how this is a basic personal choice.
Of the 3, the dell is the nicest.
Of the 3, the 710 is the fastest.
Of the 3, the dell and the 710 do not have front facing cameras.
Of the 3, the dell is by far the oldest. There were serious questions regarding mango compatibility. I doubt, PERSONAL OPINION ONLY, the dell will see Apollo.
Do not mix Tango and Apollo. They are not on the same path. Tango is considered a mango derivative, not an upgrade, most likely associated with a hardware line.
As second Gen hardware starts arriving in the coming months, the dell will fall, behind speed wise at least. So if your phone usage includes a healthy dose of data usage, you should probably factor the lack of 4g and wifi n into your decision.

Hmm...definitely gives me a lot to think about...anybody know how battery life compares to the other two phones? The keyboard is basically the #1 reason why I'm considering the phone, but not if there's better options. I know WP7 is smooth in general - is there anywhere the better/newer processors of the Radar/710 come in? Data speeds are a valid point, but I don't think I'll be needing much more than it provides.

I really don't see why people are comparing 1st gen and 2nd gen. The only MAJOR difference I see is the processor, is 400mhz REALLY going to make that much difference? Not that I can think of.
Yea the camera sucks when not shooting in daylight but its a phone...And yea there's no front facing camera(a luxury not a requirement)either, in all the times of having a FF camera on my devices I only ever used it once on my Galaxy S in a Skype call.
The other advantages of this phone far outway its disadvantages.
Perfect physical keyboard
Big amoled screen
Nice quality speaker/mic due to slider mechanism
Premium look + feel
Gorilla Glass
Removable SD card, limitless expansion(if you dont care about your warrenty)
The compass not working isn't a major problem either, its just a luxury that COMPLIMENTS the gps, as long as I can use Bing/Google/Navigon maps I honestly couldn't care about the compass.
Let's not forget that software issues can be fixed, yea I know Dell haven't said much regarding the compass but that doesn't mean to say they won't fix it in the future.
I'd say go for it, until the generation gap is that big I don't think this being a 1st gen phone really makes all that much difference.
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So if your phone usage includes a healthy dose of data usage, you should probably factor the lack of 4g and wifi n into your decision.
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The Dell Service Manual and Windows Phone Device Manager both state that the phone has N capabilities...

Had mine since launch, and personally while I would like to upgrade to something like the Lumia 900 the Dell really is still a good, fast and stable WP7 phone with the advantage of a unique design and the excellent keyboard. If your work usage just entails emails, viewing docs and calls there really isnt any reason not to get it.
As for support, generic devices are getting the update to 8107 so at least for now its still supported. If you can get it cheap now, do it and enjoy and wait for the real upgraded hardware with Apollo.

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The Dell Service Manual and Windows Phone Device Manager both state that the phone has N capabilities...
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It must be in error then, S1 snapdragons (such as the QSD8250 in the VP) do not support N, only B/G.

efjay said:
Had mine since launch, and personally while I would like to upgrade to something like the Lumia 900 the Dell really is still a good, fast and stable WP7 phone with the advantage of a unique design and the excellent keyboard. If your work usage just entails emails, viewing docs and calls there really isnt any reason not to get it.
As for support, generic devices are getting the update to 8107 so at least for now its still supported. If you can get it cheap now, do it and enjoy and wait for the real upgraded hardware with Apollo.
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I agree with your statement.....but. It depends on how the OP acquiress the device. Get it used off Craigs list or ebay...sure....go for it...using appropriate caution. Buy it new and lock into a 2 yr contract, why? Why lock into a contract with an old phone. There is no difference in 400mhz is like saying all cars drive 60mph. Yes, thats true. Side by side there is a distinct difference in the speed of getting your data. If you choose to not see that, thats ok. sitting side by side with my Droid Bionic, there is NO comparison speed wise. The VP is a clear second choice. Even with the 710, speed wise, its a clear second place.
Now, the OP said data is not primary in their use of the phone. In that I agree that speed should not be a problem then. But I will fall back, once again, on old hardware, and a 2 yr contract. At the end of that contract, the Dell VP will be 3yr+ old hardware.
But.....the thing is pretty...the screed is very good...the keyboard is nice. Go for it if speed and age are ok with you. You wont be dissatisfied.
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It must be in error then, S1 snapdragons (such as the QSD8250 in the VP) do not support N, only B/G.
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I've never got the wifi N to connect, ever. I played with all the frequencies, and bands, etc. Had a connection to the MS DEV team for WP, and they confirmed, to me, no n with the Dell...at least the original dell vp.

alodar1 said:
I agree with your statement.....but. It depends on how the OP acquiress the device. Get it used off Craigs list or ebay...sure....go for it...using appropriate caution. Buy it new and lock into a 2 yr contract, why? Why lock into a contract with an old phone. There is no difference in 400mhz is like saying all cars drive 60mph. Yes, thats true. Side by side there is a distinct difference in the speed of getting your data. If you choose to not see that, thats ok. sitting side by side with my Droid Bionic, there is NO comparison speed wise. The VP is a clear second choice. Even with the 710, speed wise, its a clear second place.
Now, the OP said data is not primary in their use of the phone. In that I agree that speed should not be a problem then. But I will fall back, once again, on old hardware, and a 2 yr contract. At the end of that contract, the Dell VP will be 3yr+ old hardware.
But.....the thing is pretty...the screed is very good...the keyboard is nice. Go for it if speed and age are ok with you. You wont be dissatisfied.
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I agree the Dell is not a good choice to get on a contract now, I dont think the other 2 WP7 choices on Tmo are any better either. The Radar and 710 storage is pitiful and the screens are smaller, and in a few months there will be better devices with faster data and more storage, probably not with a hardware keyboard but with big enough screens to make it easier to adjust.
I dont think the age of the hardware is too relevant, the Radar and 710 are themselves old tech compared to the current range of android phones, even compared to the iphone. The Dell still works beautifully though, and is one reason I dont feel the itch to get something else. Tough choice, but all told I would still pick the Dell for non-contract use, and wait for something better if it is going to be put on a contract.

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I agree the Dell is not a good choice to get on a contract now, I dont think the other 2 WP7 choices on Tmo are any better either. The Radar and 710 storage is pitiful and the screens are smaller, and in a few months there will be better devices with faster data and more storage, probably not with a hardware keyboard but with big enough screens to make it easier to adjust.
I dont think the age of the hardware is too relevant, the Radar and 710 are themselves old tech compared to the current range of android phones, even compared to the iphone. The Dell still works beautifully though, and is one reason I dont feel the itch to get something else. Tough choice, but all told I would still pick the Dell for non-contract use, and wait for something better if it is going to be put on a contract.
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T=Mobile is notorious for low ended hardware, especially with Windows Devices. The Radar and Lumia follow that path. I am more familar with the Lumia. Though I am happy with the device in that its 4g and wireless N, The look and feel are not what I would decide to move to for a primary 2yr phone. I too am looking very closely at the Lumia 900.
I've always hoped that TMO would begin to offer a couple of mediium to higher ended phones in the Windows space. Even a Samsung would be a change. But continued reliance on HTC and low end hardware overall, just makes me doubt TMO's commitment to quality.
I say again, if you can get a DELL VP off contract, its well worth it. On contract though, its an old phone thats just getting older. Think about phone design, testing, etc. and how long that takes. Then remember the DELL was released in Dec 2010. That means the design and hardware pushes back to close to, if not into, 2009. Thats a long time for a phone, hardware design wise.

I can vouch that the V dates back to early 2010/late 2009 as prototype roms are known from back then.
The VP is essentially a V+keyboard, so hardware wise it's the basically the same. The V/VP are some of the last S1 devices released, with the VP being a WP7 launch device.
Looking around: are there really that few choices for WP7 device on TmoUSA? I bought my VP for unrelated reasons.
Looking on wikipedia, pretty much all S2 WP7 devices are for at&t for US markets, or pretty much all but tmo?
Depending on your work you might not even notice the difference from S1/S2, if it were me I'd (and under the rather large assumption all device drivers are of the same quality):
I'd pick the VP for the larger screen if you wanted 3g on tmoUSA.
The fact it's only 4.1 isnt saying much, but it means jack how fast your phone is if the screen's so small you can only look at 1/20th of a page/whatever at a time.
If it wasnt tmo, something like the lumia 900/titan 2/focus s are pretty good otherwise (ignoring price)
If you want a HW keyboard, the VP is the only(?) tmoUSA 3g supported device.

If you must have a keyboard, nothing compares to the DVP. I've owned both the HD7 and the DVP, and I prefer the HD7. You can find those pretty cheap on Craigslist or eBay, 4.3" screen, decent, not great but better than the DVP, camera, and it has full unlock and custom roms if you like to tinker.
The DVP is a much prettier piece of hardware. I'll give it that. The screen is great compared to the HD7.
I would wait just a little longer and see what TMO releases. I still have faith that a Nokia, 800/900 will be coming. A TMO HDx successor would be great if I had an ultimate request.

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If you must have a keyboard, nothing compares to the DVP. I've owned both the HD7 and the DVP, and I prefer the HD7. You can find those pretty cheap on Craigslist or eBay, 4.3" screen, decent, not great but better than the DVP, camera, and it has full unlock and custom roms if you like to tinker.
The DVP is a much prettier piece of hardware. I'll give it that. The screen is great compared to the HD7.
I would wait just a little longer and see what TMO releases. I still have faith that a Nokia, 800/900 will be coming. A TMO HDx successor would be great if I had an ultimate request.
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Now wouldn't that be grand!!! A nokia 800/900 on T-Mobile. I'm crossing everything for that. However...patience is required. I understand AT&T has a 45-90 day exclusive window on the 900. So the earliest we could possibly see it is June-ish. And, I believe the 800 has yet to be picked up in North America.
Which ever the next device, consider a higher end model. This should allow updates to Apollo possible. I have also heard through the birdies that the first Apollo internal testing builds are ready. So hopefully we should be hearing things about that shortly.

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Now wouldn't that be grand!!! A nokia 800/900 on T-Mobile. I'm crossing everything for that. However...patience is required. I understand AT&T has a 45-90 day exclusive window on the 900. So the earliest we could possibly see it is June-ish. And, I believe the 800 has yet to be picked up in North America.
Which ever the next device, consider a higher end model. This should allow updates to Apollo possible. I have also heard through the birdies that the first Apollo internal testing builds are ready. So hopefully we should be hearing things about that shortly.
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As nice as the 4.3" 900 sounds, I wouldn't second guess picking up the 800. They are both amazing looking phones. Why TMO picked the 710 over the 800? We may never know.

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As nice as the 4.3" 900 sounds, I wouldn't second guess picking up the 800. They are both amazing looking phones. Why TMO picked the 710 over the 800? We may never know.
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Possibly for the same reason why they dont have the galaxy nexus (tmo previously was the launch partner for every other nexus, and the g1), they're trying to shoot themselves in the foot?
The newest device they have seems to be the HTC amaze, which at first impression from the specs is just a rehash of the htc sensation, possibly a varient of the sensation XE? (which is only months old)
Has tmo had any flagship device since last year (as a major launch partner i mean, "oh we also carry" things dont really count)?
The closest flagship wp7 device they had was the HD7, which at&t turned around and got the HD7S?
The titan/II and lumia8/900's would count as flagship devices, and the titan's are At&t devices.
Basically, tmoUSA's been sitting on their butts for the past half year or so?
They're lacking flagship devices on both fronts basically?
Until someone releases flagship AWS devices, you're not gonna see anything above edge bringing over a device.
If you dont mind that you could simply pick any unlocked device available, like the lumia 800. Amazon is selling unlocked international 800's.

TheManii said:
Possibly for the same reason why they dont have the galaxy nexus (tmo previously was the launch partner for every other nexus, and the g1), they're trying to shoot themselves in the foot?
The newest device they have seems to be the HTC amaze, which at first impression from the specs is just a rehash of the htc sensation, possibly a varient of the sensation XE? (which is only months old)
Has tmo had any flagship device since last year (as a major launch partner i mean, "oh we also carry" things dont really count)?
The closest flagship wp7 device they had was the HD7, which at&t turned around and got the HD7S?
The titan/II and lumia8/900's would count as flagship devices, and the titan's are At&t devices.
Basically, tmoUSA's been sitting on their butts for the past half year or so?
They're lacking flagship devices on both fronts basically?
Until someone releases flagship AWS devices, you're not gonna see anything above edge bringing over a device.
If you dont mind that you could simply pick any unlocked device available, like the lumia 800. Amazon is selling unlocked international 800's.
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TMOUS had the Sensation which I would consider a flagship. I had one, and after rooting and s-off it was amazing. You're right about the Amaze being a rehash. Slightly better camera and faster data speed (at the sacrifice of battery) is the only difference.
I use to buy unlocked international devices before TMO had 3g. I can't go back to edge speeds though. I wouldn't complain if they had hspa aws bands. Doesn't even have to be hspa+...
I'm waiting for pentaband chips to become more common. Its not too far down the road (I hope).

It's getting off topic, but the galaxy nexus is itself pentaband.
Buy a GSM galaxy nexus, it supports 850/900/1700/1900/2100, pretty much only missing 800.
Really makes you wonder why tmo doesnt have it, it's literally just a stamp of approval if you look at the nexus S (pretty much unmodified, launched as the AWS varient)
You could argue that carriers such as at&t and tmo are blocking cross-supporting devices from launching, there's nothing stopping a manu from simply not specifically releasing it in the US.
I believe it's not the chips per-se that determine what bands they support, but what amps the manufacturer puts in them. HTC is notorous for cutting corners and putting in the absolute minimum needed for a varient.
Hopefully nokia or samsung will make a WP7 phone that's at least triband or higher, preferably quad/penta. Nokia's already got experience with pentaband devices, they were like the first, or close enough.
It really doesnt matter which os you like, only that there's plenty of people on the wrong side of the fence for 3g

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It's getting off topic, but the galaxy nexus is itself pentaband.
Buy a GSM galaxy nexus, it supports 850/900/1700/1900/2100, pretty much only missing 800.
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I thought I read that all those bands were not available. They were all listed but not all selectable. I don't own the nexus, nor have I played with it. Just a side article I read somewhere. I could be mistaken, most likely am....

Thanks for all the info/help, guys - I went ahead and bought it for $230 plus $4 overnight shipping, hopefully should have it tomorrow to start playing with. I'll post my reactions (and any questions) soon after.