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[Q] Simple question - NAND & Android on HD2 - Why we still cannot get working NAND v.
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
screen orentation sensor makes the screen lag ... and there are still some major bugs
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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I guess the myth is if it's NAND then battery will be better which I really doubt.
Sorry but it's not an answer.
Many people want to have Nand version and it's their choice , but
it could be a good idea to tell us why there is so many problems
to create this kind of rom.
What parts are missing ....
What needs to be compiled ...
What to repaired...
Need some tech informations about this .
Who knows , many people is to busy to try create whole rom , but
there is many of us who knows programming and could Help .
But if someone will tell us what is a biggest problem ...
Linux was creating by many people , so maybe this time we can find solution together ?
Do a search!
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So what if i will use search.
I will get 2,000 posts with small ammount of answers.
Will be easier if any dev will completly with details
answer this question.
It will stop another 2,000 posts to occur .
Many questions - one answer.
It isn't working because only a handful are working on it while the rest whine and think a lame post begging for an eta will motivate the devs. If you want it done pick up a book and start learning about linux coding. It isn't done yet because nobody tries on their own.
Just because the initial development was lightning quick doesn't guarantee it will all tidily come together at the same rate.
Do you remember what appeared on your HD2 when you first turned it on? Windoze f'ing mobile. Be grateful for what you have.
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
htc-hd2 said:
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
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You know ... it could be a great idea .
If someone trusted will keep grand prize for this so why not ???
First person that will make a working rom will get a BIG PRIZE ....
might work .
After testing, if we see that it really works ....
I could donate if someone will start something like this.
I don't know how fair it would be to say the first to make an android would get the prize... Most likely it will be a cook making the rom using the work of many developers. It will be the same group of devs that got android working in the first place that will get it working on nand.... Dcordes, cotulla, netripper, etc... Might as well just donate. I'm sure it will be a group effort by them.
Nand is difficult because we will need a lot of new drivers to initialize the hardware... Right now winmo is used to initialize most hardware for android. I don't understand why you think it shouldn't be difficult... Look at other winmo devices that can run android... Only 2 out of a dozen can even boot from nand... And the nand versions are less functional than the versions run from sd card. It takes a LOT more work to get everything working on its own from nand without winmo to initialize hardware. I would expect the same with the first versions of nand booting for the hd2 also.... It will probably be nowhere near as functional as booting from sd until a lot of development is done. Be patient... It could be a long time before we have a nand bootable android that's anywhere as stable and functional as the sd bootable builds we currently have. I also doubt that speed or battery life will be much better with nand, if at all. We have great speed & batteries with our sd versions already... It will be hard to beat that with new nand versions, especially since many drivers for nand will probably have to be made from scratch. But you never know... We have some great devs and I've already been surprised with what they've accomplished.
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I guess you'll have to wait until the day you hire your own Android HD2 developer, then you can have them working on things that -you- want.
seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm actually pondering about creating some sort of donations thread just to fix particular problems.
But, because this is a community driven effort, we are at the mercy of whatever developers/chefs want to have. If you don't like that, you may want to consider becoming a developer/chef yourself..
klopikxda said:
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
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I'm actually quite happy with my HD2 running off of SD... It's actually faster than WM 6.5! Everything I have tested works including hotspot. Running mccm 1.5 with chuckydroid ROM
And I have the best of both worlds...Android and WM 6.5!
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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There is no android app to shut down android and launch windows kernel, so that possibility is very far away if it's even possible. First they would need to get android booting off nand, which is a ways off, then a haret type app would need to be written for android that can launch the window ce kernel, which may be very difficult because windows is not open sourced, and then a version of winmo that will work with that will need to be developed.
I don't see this as being very likely to happen. If you want nand android, you're going to lose winmo.
Personally, I don't see why everyone wants to boot android from nand... It works so well from sd and you get to run multiple os on your phone. And looking at the history of nand booting android on winmo phones, the nand versions are usually less functional and don't really improve speed or battery that much. Doesn't seem worth it to change a multiple os superphone into a subpar android-only phone. But that's just me.
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I guess the simple question would be why? What do you gain from that setup compared to what we have today? You'd still get 2 OSes, but with a -lot- more work I presume.
right?
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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Meh, I'd rather have our awesome devs working on meaningful things like the touch screen lag...
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I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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footprint works on sense
i prefere sd card over nand ,easy switch between roms ,ihave 4 different roms on my sd card
WP7 Port on WM6.5 - Have you seen this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811955
For the reply, I have seen by @ansar, in xda, I think his thread about this, must be consider very Credible.
I hope in the final of the day to see WP7s, running in my HD2.
pack21 said:
WP7 Port on WM6.5 - Have you seen this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811955
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pack21 said:
For the reply, I have seen by @ansar, in xda, I think his thread about this, must be consider very Credible.
I hope in the final of the day to see WP7s, running in my HD2.
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Oh My GOD !!
I've Been waiting for this since i've known WP7 !!!
I've seen the vid posted by Cotulla a few weeks ago, but i didn't imagine that it could be TRUE !!
its a dream that is coming TRUE !!! *cries deeply*
Thanks for the tip, hope to be available to public ASAP !
Thanks pack21 ..
It's just renewed 6.5 with some parts of 7, not WP7 itself.
I don't like WP7, frankly
No positive responses from microsoft
Even though porting of WP7 has been successful on device such as HD2, however, Microsoft seems not planning to help the developers and hackers in realizing the dream of running WP7, so most likely even if the porting is successful, most or some features and applications are NOT likely to work.
Refer to: http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-comments-on-windows-phone-7-htc-hd2-port/
l3ong91 said:
Even though porting of WP7 has been successful on device such as HD2, however, Microsoft seems not planning to help the developers and hackers in realizing the dream of running WP7, so most likely even if the porting is successful, most or some features and applications are NOT likely to work.
Refer to: http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-comments-on-windows-phone-7-htc-hd2-port/
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Are you on crack?
ANYTHING that you run on the HD7 can be run on the HD2 via WP7.
l3ong91 said:
Even though porting of WP7 has been successful on device such as HD2, however, Microsoft seems not planning to help the developers and hackers in realizing the dream of running WP7, so most likely even if the porting is successful, most or some features and applications are NOT likely to work.
Refer to: http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-comments-on-windows-phone-7-htc-hd2-port/
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I don't know where you have been but it is not here. the HD2 runs Windows Phone 7 better than any of the official WP7 devices.
T-Macgnolia said:
I don't know where you have been but it is not here. the HD2 runs Windows Phone 7 better than any of the official WP7 devices.
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Very true!
l3ong91 said:
Even though porting of WP7 has been successful on device such as HD2, however, Microsoft seems not planning to help the developers and hackers in realizing the dream of running WP7, so most likely even if the porting is successful, most or some features and applications are NOT likely to work.
Refer to: http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-comments-on-windows-phone-7-htc-hd2-port/
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You should do some research... the port was successful and it runs practically the same as it runs on a HD7, except that the multitouch is buggy, we only have 2 point touch rather than the 4point touch native phones have, and the stock camera app doesn't autofocus because we don't have a dedicated camera button that can be pressed halfway down to initialize autofocus. But we already have a good camera app made that use autofocus and takes full advantage of the camera. We even have 720p video recording now on the HD2 with wp7, something we don't have with any other OS on the HD2.
And I would keep my HD2 over any other native WP7 phone even with those small issues... because unlike any WP7 phone, we can also run android off SD card, which also runs without hardly any issues and runs almost as good as a native phone. That more than makes up for any small issues that these ports have. The HD2 is like an EVO and a HD7 combined into one device... nothing out now can beat that!
Also, this thread is like 4 months old. There was no need to revive it.
Wow, way to necro a WP7 port thread from back in October, guys.
The year is 2011 AD...
Really, MS is missing the boat here... there are thousands of HD2's out there; and Microsoft neeeeds all the phones they can claim to be running their new WP7 platform so developers will be attracted to create apps for their sadly lacking app store. They should willing issue authorization codes (along with the appropriate "run at your own risk / we wash our hands of it / it's ALL your fault" disclaimer) to anyone who wants to flash their HD2 to WP7; and then, happily count that code as another phone running the new WP7. $$$
personally using wp7 on hd2 i found it awesome:
number of apps? 90% of iphone and android apps are rubbish (i tried a lot of them);
on wp7 i've all i want from my phone, i don't need android or winmo6.5;
but because wp7 is still buggy on hd2 (battery and multitouch) i've finally decided to sell my hd2 for 260€, and i've bought an lg optimus 7 for 240€... i was bored to flash a rom every week, and now i don't need to wait cotulla's work for an official update...
i think that microsoft should thank to cotulla and dft (and many other) for giving the opportunity of try this OS to the HD2 community (a community of developers and tester), I think it is an excellent springboard
Hi all !
I own a HTC Trophy since Friday !
I'm really happy with it after three days of intensive use...
But i'm somewhat disappointed by WP7 ; since i'm a .NET developper i would have love to do side-loading for my apps.
But not yet...
And Apps are a bit poor. Nevermind ; i think it will be better in the future !
So, my question is ; is there any chance to have in the future a Android ROM released ?
Thx all for your answers
Raph
Android requires better specs to achieve similar performance. It's not just the device's specs that make it smooth - it's WP7.
Simple question: how many applications do you usually have LOADED on your device? You don't need a 100000 app marketplace.
I thought developers can obtain sideloading devices/permissions?
the speculation around side loading is that if you have a developer account (USD$99), then you can sideload to your windows phone. Also further adding to this is the suppose $99 cash-back after submitting 2 paid applications to market place.
In saying that, and answering your question, I think it will take quite some time for Android to make it's way onto any phones running windows phones as it could be a lot harder to get to the boot loader as i'm sure we don't have the same process of updating (android/wm6.5 = reflash) compared to wp7 where it is through Zune/OTA.
Lumic said:
Android requires better specs to achieve similar performance. It's not just the device's specs that make it smooth - it's WP7.
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I don't believe you will be able to run an Android port on this thing unless you can hack the bootloader, I haven't seen any progress whatsoever in the dev section for WP7.
lqaddict said:
I don't believe you will be able to run an Android port on this thing unless you can hack the bootloader, I haven't seen any progress whatsoever in the dev section for WP7.
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Give it time.. once WP7 is officially available throughout the world, the development of it will explode.
[Q] Android for HTC Trophy??
Hi, anyone knows that they know to run Android? than the HD2
We asked experts if in omnia7 Can start android?
That for now would be no for sure.
spippo said:
We asked experts if in omnia7 Can start android?
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Well, for now its going to be a No NO, why because the developers have very limited access to phones architecture and the xips. At this stage even the apps for wp7 have very limited functionality, for example most WP7 have a digital compass but as of yet no application effectively utilises this feature. However, with the progression of time and new updates coming in we shall see marginal improvement in the WP7 ecosystem. Who knows that some xda developer might be able to emulate android on wp7 and consequently on Omnia 7 as well.
We asked experts if in ANDROID Can start OMNIA7?
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OPPOSITE THINGS= YES WE CAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBwlZ_jLu8
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=910918
All this I is a theme. The base is still Android and in NO way WP7. Its cool but its not dual booting Windows and Android.
trax26 said:
OPPOSITE THINGS= YES WE CAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBwlZ_jLu8
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=910918
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I hope this will soon be possible. I feel really cheated with my WP7. I can't believe Microsoft can get away with this. I am stuck with a 2 year plan, Omnia 7 trade in price dropped so low, and I have to pay the telco a big penalty if I change phone now.
I'd rather give my money to the developers who can give Android on Omnia 7.
yes i agree with you about the feeling cheated by microsoft they gave the impression of many minor updates as they became available not one or twice a year i cant wait for omnia 7 to be hacked to run android.
on a different note will it ever be possable to create a emulator for wp7 that can mount a iphone app ?
Why people want Android to all phones? Boring...
If the people want android, why they don't bay an android Phone?
why?
Im happy on WP and can't see the reason for using Android. I read a lot before buying my Omnia 7 and dont feel cheated therefore. Mango will be the start for regular users and this close to the update, it would seem like a lot of work for nothing. WP is a more modern plattform so why go backwards, in that case buy a Android device instead.
Android dev for HD2 was understanble, a lot of problems with WM OS made it easyer for daylie users to get a stable phone. Android was a new and better platform in terms of stability.
WP today just works, and Mango will make it complete, or cloae to it.
I find this query odd too. I can understand it if it is the HD2 forum or any WM6.x devices.
There are tons of Android devices with specs equal or superior to the Omnia 7 (like the Galaxy S2). So why bother asking to put Android on the Omnia 7? Just get an Android device.
If it is possible,sounds great.but android gives me a very bad user experience,and I used to have a pocket pc and an android device,I bought wp7 all because of its new UI,and power hardware,these improve the experience.just as what I said,I do not like android,even android on omnia7 is possible.
You should go buy Galaxy S II instead.
Android for omnia7? I'm in! Will donate, how much?
news about android on omnia?
with WP7 Downloader Ver 7.41 for Publish (Add OASIS Latin).rar we should be able to inject android into i8700 veins (as well as ios, probably)
Is something new in this thread ?
No obviously not. The last post was last year. There's not going to be Android on Omnia7 at all.
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UranusHertz said:
I find this query odd too. I can understand it if it is the HD2 forum or any WM6.x devices.
There are tons of Android devices with specs equal or superior to the Omnia 7 (like the Galaxy S2). So why bother asking to put Android on the Omnia 7? Just get an Android device.
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Omnia 7 and Focus are now old enough to be cheaper than equivalent android phones. a 2nd hand HD2 cost about $250 on ebay because everyone who knows about what it can do wants one to play with still. the Samsung Focus costs approx $130.
So if you can run android on it. the resale value of your samsung focus (and omnia 7 because it is similar hardware) will increase.
Guys, you bought yourself a WP, because you wanted a WP.
So, why even start thinking about Android?
Yes, I know, my signature, says, that I've go a Droid. I'd actually prefer a WP, a Samsung WP, to be exact...
I only took an Android, because the German Telecom doesn't have any Samsung WP's anymore...
Back to the point;
WHO CARE'S ABOUT ANDROID??? IT'S CRAP!!!
Believe, me, I'm using one... -.-"
familyguy59 said:
Guys, you bought yourself a WP, because you wanted a WP.
So, why even start thinking about Android?
Yes, I know, my signature, says, that I've go a Droid. I'd actually prefer a WP, a Samsung WP, to be exact...
I only took an Android, because the German Telecom doesn't have any Samsung WP's anymore...
Back to the point;
WHO CARE'S ABOUT ANDROID??? IT'S CRAP!!!
Believe, me, I'm using one... -.-"
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I'm sure everyone is entitled to an opinion, it seems obvious that the people who are asking for android prefer android. I imagine some people may have bought a WP7 phone thinking it would have more development or more apps or just be different, and now would like to see android developed on the device.
I own a HD2, a phone that runs pretty much every OS and I have installed WP7 and Android (aswell as the stock WM6.5). Originally I liked WM6.5 and the mods for that, android was not for me ... infact when WP7 came out I was tempted to get a new phone, when WP7 was made available for HD2 I tried it and my personal opinion is what it does it does well, but it is very limited and closed. My opinion on android has now changed with developments and apps etc and now my phone stays in android mode 99% of the time.
I know people who own the omnia 7 , and as a result i often check here every so often. I thought the idea of this site was development - now you (and various others) may think that development should be limited to the OS that the phone originally came with, but using that logic my beloved HD2 would most likely be gathering dust right about now...
Hello to all...
I'm working some months by now, in a mobile games developing company (for both iOS & Android).
So, I had to own both OS' devices, to testing my work of our games (in the devices); I bought a used iPhone 4 16GB and now I need to buy an Android one. I've checked and a nice 'n cheap Android's choice is about $150 or so.
Well, I thought to use my former device, a TMobile USA HD2, to port a NAND Android rom.
The problem is, I stopped dealing with my ex-HD2 since I had ported the "Energy" WM6.5...
So, I don't know what's the process to port a NAND Android rom - I mean a modern one, a new build.
Also, I need a suggestion for such a rom; I want a very stable & fast one, "all-in" rom. I don't want to deal with the Android, I won't start searching for apps and such - just I need a fast/stable/"completed" Android device, to install our games there and checking my work.
Kind regards to everyone who likes to help me on this issue.
Hello and welcome,
First, please use a descriptive title
The HD2 is quite an old device, so if you are to build heavy games, don't expect them to run on the HD2, or at least run well.
As for the ROMs, almost all the roms on the first page (ICS) are fully working, just make sure to double check the first few posts to know what's going on. And you can find how-tos almost everywhere, a quick search on google/youtube will help you.
Good luck in everything .
Thxs for your answer.
M8, I'm working on CASINO's games. Therefore, are not so "heavy".
lupus_hegemonia said:
Thxs for your answer.
M8, I'm working on CASINO's games. Therefore, are not so "heavy".
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If you want a complete rom try Tytung NexusHD2 Ics 4.0.4 rom.
It is the best rom you will get for tmous hd2.
I am using the same rom and very happy with it. :good:
I did, thxs - but not the "HD", the "ice-cream" of him.
The other one is more "new", maybe more slow for the "good-old" HD2.