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A Tmobile G1 being released. The world was in awe of an "Open Source" Smart Phone running a OS only known as ANDROID...Since then, There has been Alot of good info and various ROM's out there and the latest the Hero rom that can be used. Gotta love open source, Android, and the friends we all have virtually made from it all. But even though we have come this far, now we all cannot forget who was the key to allowing us to have this opportunity to really enjoy the openesse of the android product.... Jesusfreak himself along with the core members who assisted him in getting us ROOT. because without ROOT there would be no Hero/Rosie/Google Ion/Dude's Build/Cyan/or any now or in the future.
Not trying to say JF is any better than anyone else. It is just the thanks and appreciation has to be spread all across the field to the individuals who make haveing a G1 so friggen AWESOME, and it all starts with JF...just remember when you boot into recovery to alt+s to the next fantabulous ROM that is out and you see that JFv1.4x and talk about Nandroid backup, remember that there are a whole lot of other players in this field than just one individual.
Thanks Steve, a.k.a. Haykuro for an awesome release. And yes what an awesome release it is...
Thanks to all the developers, who brought the G1 to where we can enjoy the heck out of it no matter what ROM we are running (I don't know how my little microprocessors are still alive, so many different ROMs they have seen. LOL)
Enough of my ranting.
Just wanted to say thanks to all. I know there was a thread about showing appreciation to all developers, etc... I just wanted one to show appreciation to JF and those who started it all
Quite so, I thank you all as well.
ProTip, JesusFreke doesn't release anything that isn't, for the most part, stable.
Yes, I have Hero, but I also stayed awake till 7am.
And if not for JF's foresight, I'd have bricked my phone a jillion times this week.
But I was only an ADB Remounting of a new update.zip away.
I keep a JF build on a backup memory card JUST IN CASE, lol.
okay after doing some hard thinking about my next upgrade and realizing i don't have a ton of money to spend on a real hero phone right now. id love to see one of the devs on here create the first fully functional android rom for our touch vogues. i know i seem to be the one on here who has no luck with most of the builds so far but something keeps bringing me back to android.
so heres the deal, i will offer $50 or more via paypal to the first dev who can make this happen. id like to see others join in and lets make this bounty worthwhile. it would be a ton cheaper for me to just buy another vogue even brand new rather than spend $300 on a hero or other android phone. i may even be willing to donate my old vogue for testing. im also hoping others may join in on this. i see some of the devs have stopped development or will by moving to real android phones. i think the vogue is a solid phone and a rom like this would really keep interest going and the community going strong. hell maybe even xda will give us our own dedicated android section for the vogue if we can do this. also since we have godzon who is very talented at skinning, maybe he can start creating themes we can use on the rom? just a thought but really the possibilities are endless IMO.
so my questions are:
who is up for the challenge?
can this be done legally without google getting upset?
which build should we use as a base? hero, xrom, ion , cupcake or tattoo?
can we root our phones after we create a rom so we can have full potential as a real android phone user?
so i ask you guys to join in with me in making this task/project worthwhile for one of our talented devs on here.
sorry i created another thread on this but lets keep all discussions about this in here from now on.
"forgot to mention, my offer stands until the first week in november. if i don't see any interest or beginning development ill withdraw and cave in and buy a real hero."
thanks, fixxxer
fixxxer2008 said:
okay after doing some hard thinking about my next upgrade and realizing i don't have a ton of money to spend on a real hero phone right now. id love to see one of the devs on here create the first fully functional android rom for our touch vogues. i know i seem to be the one on here who has no luck with most of the builds so far but something keeps bringing me back to android.
so heres the deal, i will offer $50 or more via paypal to the first dev who can make this happen. id like to see others join in and lets make this bounty worthwhile. it would be a ton cheaper for me to just buy another vogue even brand new rather than spend $300 on a hero or other android phone. i may even be willing to donate my old vogue for testing. im also hoping others may join in on this. i see some of the devs have stopped development or will by moving to real android phones. i think the vogue is a solid phone and a rom like this would really keep interest going and the community going strong. hell maybe even xda will give us our own dedicated android section for the vogue if we can do this.
so my questions are:
who is up for the challenge?
can this be done legally without google getting upset?
which build should we use as a base? hero, xrom, ion , cupcake or tattoo?
can we root our phones after we create a rom so we can have full potential as a real android phone user?
so i ask you guys to join in with me in making this task/project worthwhile for one of our talented devs on here.
sorry i created another thread on this but lets keep all discussions about this in here from now on.
thanks, fixxxer
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lol most likely the ion build.
zenulator said:
lol most likely the ion build.
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so you up for it zen? im serious here.
wouldn't the tattoo build be the best?
well donut. tattoo still has trouble with force closes on start. some incompatibilities with our ril because of proprietary code. so donut would be a great option once audio gets fully functional. i'm not about to brick my only phone......
zenulator said:
well donut. tattoo still has trouble with force closes on start. some incompatibilities with our ril because of proprietary code. so donut would be a great option once audio gets fully functional. i'm not about to brick my only phone......
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well whatever build you guys think would be best. i just thought this would be a great idea for us vogue users. why buy a android phone when we can have fully functional rom on our vogues? then we could work on rooting, themeing and all that good stuff.
what do you think zen, would you be interested in this? would you need a spare vogue to try this out on? i might be willing to donate mine or hopefully someone else will too. im sure i can pick up a spare vogue for cheap.
I like this idea espcially since us Sprint SERO guys don't have a viable Android option to use as of yet.
I'ld paypal $50 for a version that completely ditches WM off the phone and works well. It doesn't matter which version, once someone pioneers the trial others will follow.
gedster314 said:
I'ld paypal $50 for a version that completely ditches WM off the phone and works well. It doesn't matter which version, once someone pioneers the trial others will follow.
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+1...i really hope this thread doesn't die and i hope a dev will take this offer up.
Already said this in another thread, but I've got a spare Vogue (blacklisted ESN, I think) and, while I'd like to retain possession of it, I will blindly flash whatever a dev puts out for testing.
fixer you should summarize who all are offering what amounts.
I am willing to offer $20 for this!!
bid
if you can make it work, meaning build a rom based on hero or ion, i am willing to give the person 300, which is more than getting a tmobile plan with the my touch which i also do have, but i dont wanna get rid of my vogue, its been so good to me, i have it on metro, and for some reason market dont work when i am in android. still the bounty from my end will be 300 for a flashable android rom
i'd donate $50 as well..... im a huge fan of Android and would like to see this really happen
Before we go over to make a flashable rom we should look to get all hardware working for 100%. At the moment i think the risk to brick your phone is enormous. We should ask some of the spl people if they could help
I suppose it all depends, do you guys still want to have winmo? If not than it's not too terribly far away. Right now I can make my vogue start to boot the linux kernel, it totally wrecks the winmo everytime though. And there are some challenges to overcome..
Dual boot would be too cool, if ever possible....
were up to $470 right now to the first dev to make this possible.
and to mission....were talking about a fully flashable rom like winmo. i don't really see why this cannot be done with some hard work and teamwork. as i said my offer stands until i can get the hero which may be up to a month away yet.
sricke said:
Dual boot would be too cool, if ever possible....
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not really what were talking about here man. right now technically that's what we already have. android/vogue is nothing more than a program, we want a fully working operating system that can be flashed like real android users can. once again i cannot see why we can't make this happen. ive seen a ton of talented devs on here. i wish i could do even half of what they accomplish.
JeckyllHavok said:
Before we go over to make a flashable rom we should look to get all hardware working for 100%. At the moment i think the risk to brick your phone is enormous. We should ask some of the spl people if they could help
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agreed, you devs should get together and discuss this. hell maybe all of you can even split the money. ive posted this thread at a couple other places on the net, im sure the pot will grow.
mssmison said:
I suppose it all depends, do you guys still want to have winmo? If not than it's not too terribly far away. Right now I can make my vogue start to boot the linux kernel, it totally wrecks the winmo everytime though. And there are some challenges to overcome..
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If one was to flash completely to android would one be able to flash back to winmo later or would that option be wiped away with the pure android flash.
Also we need a bootloader like grub for our phones so that we could install multiple os's and choose which one too boot at startup, although that might be easier to do starting from an android phone.
i think that if you want dual boot and all that junk, stick with a computer.
i would like an flashable android ROM to get rid of winMo for good.
i would donate also if it gets done.
Now, I appreciate everything that these devs have had to offer. I've tried different Custom Roms (With Core Cell 3 being the most stable I've experienced, outside of the annoying Opera Mamory bug)...Android builds...and all that great efforts you guys Put forth.
I look at all these threads and Roms and see the same thing over and over...bugs...bugs....and more bugs...
The most stable Windows Rom I've truly experience is the stock one...lol...not being a smart a$$ at all. Everything just works. Take a registry editor to it and it's provided the most stable platform with Core Cell 3 a hair away from it.
Now, with Android, I see constant bug reports. I mean, people seem to have a great appreciation for the builds and love them, but it always follows up with a major bug...or even worse...lots of little bugs.
What I don't understand is why don't all you devs get together and build the "XDA" Custom Rom or "XDA" Android build that gets undiveded attention and all resources so to make it truly BUG free? Once that has been accomplished...then we can go ahead and try these test builds and play with them...
Now, I say this with a great deal of respect, having worked with developers before I know how fragile the ego's can be
It's also my experience with those same developers that taught me complete focus of resources surfaced the best result.
I mean, an effort like that is something I would pay...eeerrrrr....donate too.
Android seems to be the future for the HD2, at least I think so...some may have a different opinion...that's cool. But as much as I actually like WinMo 6.5...and WinMO 7 showing signs of being a demo at best on the HD2, Android has a future.
I think it would be a great idea for you guys to focus on one thing at a time until it's at a state you can consider it marketable...not that I'm saying that's what you should do...sell things and all.
I would even think it would be cool to take WinMo 6.5 and change it into something completely different and better than what Microsoft settled for...I always promote making Big Brother look silly with a superior view of their own product.
My point is...no matter what platform or approach...get together on it...I bet the result would be far more productive.
I fear though that this idea...no matter how much sense it makes...will not come to fruition...WHAT THE DEUCE!
Looking forward to your thoughts.
well i came up with this idea http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902534 and would need a thew devs to work on it,about having our own unoficiall Android Rom,Something wich we can say is our own HD2 rom not direct ports if you know were im coming from and pretty much bug free and stable and fast.i know a thew devs came together to create nand so why not do it to create a rom
Thew?
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Hah, bug free... That's an interesting idea. The last bug free thing I saw was my Nokia 3210. Since then even my microwave ovens get bugs.
The devs do work together for the most part... different problems get solved by different devs, and they credit each other. I think its amazing what they've accomplished. You should be more than happy with how well we have a port working. I never thought it would get as good as it has, especially as quick as it has. Just look at the Raphael or blackstone... they've been working on ports for those devices for years and are nowhere close to where we are, and might never be.
The devs are doing what they can. This is their hobby... they're gonna work on what interests them. You can't expect them to all work on what you want them to... they would lose interest and we wouldn't have so much innovation. Plus a little competition can bring the best out of a person.
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Well most of the bugs in Android are at the kernel level, and there is already a group of developers working on that same piece of software together.
You also have to keep in mind, as other users in this thread have already said, that no software will be without bugs.
I guess...I just know with absolute confidence this idea will work best. Nonetheless, I understand. Also, it's not what I want?...its about completing a task these forums have already put in motion...just at a more effective manor.
i want sense build base on desire hd or z
its will be lite enuf to run from RAM and boot fast
the Data.img will be backed up in the nand but will work from SD card for better performance
that's what i think is perfect to me
RAM gives boot time and less battery drain
data.img on nand and sd card is for better iops and for backuping ur info fast with CWM
u can remove anything u dont use cos it wont be in the RAM
all most important things like email / messages / people browser will run from RAM to get the speed-est performance
As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!
Personally, I think this is a bad idea.
I'm very happy to have multiple developers all working on different projects and supplying us with different ROMs. For example, I hate HTC Sense and prefer stock Android, but lots of people disagree with that and think Sense builds are superior.
If all the devs worked on only 1 ROM then that's all we'd have. 1 ROM. My phone would be the same as yours, and yours would be the same as every other person on the forum. That would be pretty darn boring! If you ask me, more choice is better.
"If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other."
I never said stop working on different flavors of Roms. Just focus on an XDA Rom. Once refined, let the flavors flow...right?
You know, I approach this topic from a respective and open discussion approach with an expressed curiosity at most and the best you can do is confuse it for moaning?
It's guys like you that start all the flaming, when you have people who are simply exchanging ideas.
There's always a few out of the bunch that can't resist being abrasive aka a$$holes while others are just chatting.
AGxM said:
As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!
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hey everyone. i dont come here much but this is kind of a general question. about how many encrypted and or locked bootloaders have been cracked and unlocked in the past? i guess im asking what are the chances that us a500 users will see recovery and roms? i know its up to whoever will figure it out in the end. but im just asking based on past devices. can it be done? has it been done before?
also as a side note. this is just my opinion. i can understand locking the bootloader on a phone so people dont abuse there unlimited data and such. but on a wifi only tablet? its like buying a laptop with a bios password set by the manufacture and the admin account locked out. it just doesn't make any sense to me. they should not be allowed to do this. thoughts?
(please dont take this as a rant. ive been driving myself crazy the past few days and watching the dev forum 24/7)
I don't know how likely it is to happen, but I agree with you it's a ****ty thing to do. It'd be fair in my eyes if we have to register the device, put in our serial number, then request an unlock code that invalidates the warranty to unlock the bootloader. That seems reasonable to me, but just straight up locking me out of my device is ****.
I'm hoping this isn't a trend we're going to have to start accepting. I'd rather the openness of the PC slip into tablets and phones, not the other way around.
Well hopefully that doesn't limit us. They (the community) were able to get around the droid x/2 bootloader to install custom roms, at least in some form. I am hoping this device catches on amongst enthusiasts, together, and by that I mean everyone but me, can work hard on modding this tab...jk.
Thanks for the feedback I'm really glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way
Unfortunately the same reason Apple products are so successful is that people are very "accepting" , The manufacturers dont count on people hacking there products , its a relatively small amount of people who (even) root Android phones , sure they get the press , but how many "moms and pops" own an Android phone unrooted? The majority of owners dont mess with it , they just buy apps and do what the company tells them!
Look how many people in here whine about updates , obviously if they were rooting there phones the updates wouldnt be a big deal!
hi i have seen this done quite a few times on xda i have been a member for along time now some times this works out great and its gives a bit of push to the development
its been quite quiet on the dev front for roms and kernels i know its only been a couple of weeks but the normal s6 seems to be on its way a lot more. i really wanted to get a custom kernel so i asked @mythos234 from simple kernel whos kernel i used on my note 4 to try make on for us for the edge link to the thread for the edge > http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/orig-development/tw-simplkernel-t3091094 and he has been doing an amazing job to implement some stuff in to the kernel i am not a dev but an android fan and i know there is only really so much you can do with out having the device in front of you as worrying that a wrong over clock or a wrong under vault could cause some one to loose the use of there phone so i am taking this on my own back to see if any one would be willing to pledge any thing to help get a handset and so we can get a great kernel for a great device for the dev this has nothing to do with @mythos234 its all down to me i am not asking for money now i am just asking if any one would be interested and if we hit the mark we need to get the device then i will start the ball rolling to sort a device out please no flaming its just an idea which i thought i would give it a go
i have set up a indiegogo page all help is appreciated Link >> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/samsung-s6-edge-simplkernel-development-device/x/10630313
So finally someone tagged my name and didn't complain because I created lag
Nice change, lol.
First of all, huge thanks for launching this support campaign, really appreciate the support that you like my work :angel:
I know that the S6 Edge isn't a cheap device to begin with, so I probably should say something here first.. No matter the result, I will still keep supporting and developing for the phone. Having one to play with would ease the work a lot though, I'm not going to hide that. Currently everytime I add a little detail I need to contact my testers, wait until they have time and then either be happy and launch or try to solve problems which I can't properly see for myself. This isn't a huge problem with changes like performance boosts, but when coming to the serious stuff like Overclocking or Undervoltig, I just won't risk anyone elses phone for that, because a simple typo whith a voltage can burn your phone. I would be a fool if I started to promise to bring any of this to the S6 Edge, in software development you have to watch out when making promises, they tend to fire backwards But should I have an S6 or Edge, I would definately start working on those things, since bringing them from the Exy 5433 shouldn't be impossible at all. What else would change? For one, you'd get fixes and updates faster and more reliably. There are some things which I'm going to notice when I spend days scrutinizing stuff that no tester will find, simply because many issues are very subtle.
Probably my testers would be the happiest though, since I wouldn't annoy them all day with not working things
Thanks for the support again, it really means a lot (I'm almost getting red )!
I for one would be willing to help a in the way of a donation, but unfortunately this is all hinged on AT&T getting root/BL-unlocked. Fingers crossed here!
Globalrebel said:
I for one would be willing to help a in the way of a donation, but unfortunately this is all hinged on AT&T getting root/BL-unlocked. Fingers crossed here!
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Thanks Locked down phones are really a pain, I'm always happy that this is so rare in Europe :angel: