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Trying to go back to Eclair(1.01 for nook)

I am currently running CM7 and when I flash the "restore to stock" zips it freezes on the "n" screen. Any help here? It might seem weird but rooted stock 1.01 Eclair was the BEST (IMO).
So got any tips? Tricks? Anything I could use? lol

Anyone....? T_T

DiscoPh3v3r said:
I am currently running CM7 and when I flash the "restore to stock" zips it freezes on the "n" screen. Any help here? It might seem weird but rooted stock 1.01 Eclair was the BEST (IMO).
So got any tips? Tricks? Anything I could use? lol
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Power on and off (immediately) 8 times.....That should get back to stock recovery then you can boot into stock Nook Firmware.
sent from my Ginger-Hero CDMA

hockeyfamily737 said:
Power on and off (immediately) 8 times.....That should get back to stock recovery then you can boot into stock Nook Firmware.
sent from my Ginger-Hero CDMA
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Okay that didn't work/did
I flashed the rom 1.01 in CWM but when I did that it would never boot! So after reflashing the original everything, I tried the 8failed boots trick and... it WORKED!
so thanks man, I guess I just needed someone to tell me for it to finally click to me

DiscoPh3v3r said:
Okay that didn't work/did
I flashed the rom 1.01 in CWM but when I did that it would never boot! So after reflashing the original everything, I tried the 8failed boots trick and... it WORKED!
so thanks man, I guess I just needed someone to tell me for it to finally click to me
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Glad you got it.

Help No Recovery!

Hi guys, I need to RMA my tab again! but after using NVFlash I have no stock recovery! I have rooted installed CWM again but when I try to install Stock firmware through CWM I get assert failed write_raw_image("tmp/blob", "staging")
So after another round of NVFlash I am back to ICS with no recovery HELP!!

Fordgasm said:
Hi guys, I need to RMA my tab again! but after using NVFlash I have no stock recovery! I have rooted installed CWM again but when I try to install Stock firmware through CWM I get assert failed write_raw_image("tmp/blob", "staging")
So after another round of NVFlash I am back to ICS with no recovery HELP!!
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/facepalm
How about you try to be more clear and coherent. Explain what happened in steps.
I really don't understand why you would waste YOUR TIME and Asus' time by RMAing when you still have NvFlash access.
Do you return your computer if a piece of software doesn't work on it?

horndroid said:
/facepalm
How about you try to be more clear and coherent. Explain what happened in steps.
I really don't understand why you would waste YOUR TIME and Asus' time by RMAing when you still have NvFlash access.
Do you return your computer if a piece of software doesn't work on it?
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OK lets try this again...
The left hand section of my screen has stopped working (touch wise)
I am only getting by at the moment thanks to my keyboard dock.
This is the reason i need to RMA my tab.
I was running Prime 1.4 but used NV flash to return to stock but am now without a stock recovery.
Any ideas how to reinstall stock recovery??
When I try to boot into recovery I get an android with a big exclamation mark in the middle of it.

Fordgasm said:
OK lets try this again...
The left hand section of my screen has stopped working (touch wise)
I am only getting by at the moment thanks to my keyboard dock.
This is the reason i need to RMA my tab.
I was running Prime 1.4 but used NV flash to return to stock but am now without a stock recovery.
Any ideas how to reinstall stock recovery??
When I try to boot into recovery I get an android with a big exclamation mark in the middle of it.
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Depending on which nvflash utility u used, nvflash to stock restores stock rom and stock recovery. Try using another nvflash to stock utiltity that is floating around here.

cavsoldier19d said:
Depending on which nvflash utility u used, nvflash to stock restores stock rom and stock recovery. Try using another nvflash to stock utiltity that is floating around here.
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So far I have tried 3 different NVFlash utilities.
One with 3.1, one with 3.2 and now the ICS one. All of which are giving me the same result!
Would it matter not having stock recovery for RMA?

Fordgasm said:
So far I have tried 3 different NVFlash utilities.
One with 3.1, one with 3.2 and now the ICS one. All of which are giving me the same result!
Would it matter not having stock recovery for RMA?
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I know for a fact that the nvflash for ics restores the stock recovery, as i used it on my tf. Are u flashing the correct version for your hardware? US, WW, etc? You would be taking a huge risk of doing rma without stock recovery because that will be the smoking gun that you rooted/modded your device, which technically voids your warranty. Go to the development section and look for the thead for easy unroot. See if that restores stock recovery for you.
Edit: looks like that thread got moved to the general section. Look for easiest way to unroot and follow directions.

Fordgasm said:
OK lets try this again...
When I try to boot into recovery I get an android with a big exclamation mark in the middle of it.
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That is stock recovery

mrevankyle said:
That is stock recovery
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Correct, i didnt catch that comment.

I dont want to add to the confusion, but isnt that what Stock Recovery looks like, ie Android with exclamation mark
I used nvflash previously to get back to stock rom and recovery and thats what I saw when booting into recovery
This is from another forum
http://www.transformerforums.com/forum/asus-transformer-general-discussions/3652-what-does-stock-recovery-look-like.html
EDIT: Sorry you guys beat me to its "Missed it by THAT MUCH:

Now I feel super special lol thanks for the info!
I thought stock recovery was a simpler version of CWM with some sort menu to navigate.
Now I can pack this POS up and send it back for more repairs.
Thanks again!

Running Rooted 3.2.1 to ICS? Do I unroot?

I'm running completely stock, no rom anything. Just flashed updates from users here to update me to the latest HC. I received the ICS update but pretty sure it won't work since I'm rooted and running CWM recovery. What do I need to do to install ICS? thanks

tu3218 said:
I'm running completely stock, no rom anything. Just flashed updates from users here to update me to the latest HC. I received the ICS update but pretty sure it won't work since I'm rooted and running CWM recovery. What do I need to do to install ICS? thanks
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Same question here
Sent from my A500 using XDA

3d0rr said:
Same question here
Sent from my A500 using XDA
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I am in the same camp.
I'm running a rooted 3.2 stock by Timmy Dean.
I'm happy I didn't jump the gun when I Saw the update last night, because it seems I would have truly been screwed.
What I would like to know is if a rooted 3.2 can simply be unrooted. Seems this would the simplest thing to do.
Thanks in advance for any and all help.

Apparently the root doesn't matter. It will just be removed when we install the ota ICS. What worries me is recovery. Because it has to boot into a recovery to install ICS. I had CWM installed then flashed to stock by acer recovery tool in the play store. But when I manually boot into recovery, I get a exclamation point inside a triangle. What recovery are you guys running?

tu3218 said:
Apparently the root doesn't matter. It will just be removed when we install the ota ICS. What worries me is recovery. Because it has to boot into a recovery to install ICS. I had CWM installed then flashed to stock by acer recovery tool in the play store. But when I manually boot into recovery, I get a exclamation point inside a triangle. What recovery are you guys running?
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I have CWM recovery by thor2002. I think we can't update via ITS unless we flash original recovery
Sent from my A500 using XDA

3d0rr said:
I have CWM recovery by thor2002. I think we can't update via ITS unless we flash original recovery
Sent from my A500 using XDA
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Yeah I think so as well. I flashed stock via the Acer recovery tool but I get nothing when I boot into recovery except what I stated above. I'm not sure if that's right or not.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA

I was happily running timmydean's rooted 3.2.1 based on the leaked OTA. The ICS upgrade came through and installed just fine. No loss of data and the programs I tried all worked. I was on stock 4.0.4 unrooted.
However, I'm now borked. I rebooted into recovery (Power, Vol -) to see about rooting via the backdoor I'd installed. I had thor's 1.7 Touch CWM recovery installed. I got some weird message that recovery was broken. (Don't recall the exact msg.)
After that, it hung on the "android" screen. Soft-bricked.
So I did a factory reset (Power, vol+, rock screen switch) and ended up back on 3.2.1. Now, the Settings > About > Check update results in the "Network coverage is currently poor. Please move to a location with better coverage to continue." message.
My WiFi is fine, speedtest.net reports a 20 Mbps download. All other apps function well. I'm pulling a DCHP address from my router.
I'm fairly sure this is a badly-worded error message from Acer and actually refers to server overload or some other issue on their end.
Also, installing the latest Acer Iconia Update preps the system for ICS. At one point, installing it allowed the update to proceed, but not to ICS. Uninstalling/reinstalling that update seemed to jog the system at one time.
So I tried wiping data/cache/dalvik and went back to stock 3.2. Same error message when updating. Wiped again and went back to stock 3.0.1. Same error message.
So I'm stuck and am going to give it a few days to see if Acer can sort out their upgrade path. If not, I will probably load CM9 or Thor's ICS ROM. (I do have a Nandroid, so I can get back to where I was pre-ICS.)
All in all, I'm very disappointed in Acer for borking my tablet.
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Update: So now a day later, the "poor coverage" message was replaced by an "update available". Installed A500_7.014.03_com_gen1, after reboot, another update A500_7.014.15_com_gen1 installed. I am now on stock 3.2.1.
System update shows "Your device is up to date".
Will see what tomorrow brings, but this is certainly frustrating.

thorne75 said:
I am in the same camp.
I'm running a rooted 3.2 stock by Timmy Dean.
I'm happy I didn't jump the gun when I Saw the update last night, because it seems I would have truly been screwed.
What I would like to know is if a rooted 3.2 can simply be unrooted. Seems this would the simplest thing to do.
Thanks in advance for any and all help.
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Could you guys running the backdoor and still rooted please try this:
1) Try and capture the build no. of the update
2) See if the update will download BUT do not install yet
3) Go to /cache/fota/ and find the zip -
4) copy it to yr external sd
5) post back the build no.
thanks!!!
Procedure for manual install:
1/ rename the file as : update.zip
2/ place the file on the micro sd card
3/ turn off the tablet
4/ press the down volume key and the power button at the same time untill the tablets turns on
5/ the iconia will start the upgrade process by itself.
OR just redownload the update and it install
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I had trouble when i reverted to stock in the weekend
and it was a bit of a process to get the OTA's to 3.2.1.
I did manage to hold "full root" but had to revert a couple of times
by putting stock recovery back and using backdoor .
I accidentally factory reset and everything went a bit pear shaped from there...oops!!
Im still waiting for the OTA ICS - getting network coverage error -one good thing
is my partners tab is only 5 days old and still pure factory,
her tab shows same error so at least we know its not root/backdoor problem
So yeah if u gonna take the OTA best to get rid of the backdoor unless you wanna play guinea pig for us all>>>>
dunno why we aint found one of those yet
I dont think you can cause too much of a problem where a "hard reset" pwr/vol -/rotation lock/ combo wont fix...you can then root from there.
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3d0rr said:
I have CWM recovery by thor2002. I think we can't update via ITS unless we flash original recovery
Sent from my A500 using XDA
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hi 3d0rr!!
i think those of us with the backdoor should be meticulous if/when taking the OTA.
we shouldnt need to unroot and use stock recovery as the ota should get rid of that in the flash. But to ensure a stress free OTA it may pay to do it anyway.
i know you previously told me u were stock gen 1 - but is that from factory, just finished reading a very interesting post regarding the different 'gens' so i for one am sticking with factory build gen :just for the official OTA anyway:

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hi 3d0rr!!
i think those of us with the backdoor should be meticulous if/when taking the OTA.
we shouldnt need to unroot and use stock recovery as the ota should get rid of that in the flash. But to ensure a stress free OTA it may pay to do it anyway.
i know you previously told me u were stock gen 1 - but is that from factory, just finished reading a very interesting post regarding the different 'gens' so i for one am sticking with factory build gen :just for the official OTA anyway:
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Dibb_nz, I was stock gen 2. I don't wanna take OTA until be sure it's safe. Unless now I know that a hard factory reset may save my tab if something happen.
Can you tell us where did you read that post about 'gens'? I still a little confuse about that
Sent from my A500 using XDA

BTW, the network coverage errors seems to be an Acer's error. First I received OTA and a day after that I see that error on my tab. And a couple of hours later I have OTA again. So, don't worry, you should get OTA asap
Sent from my A500 using XDA

3d0rr said:
BTW, the network coverage errors seems to be an Acer's error. First I received OTA and a day after that I see that error on my tab. And a couple of hours later I have OTA again. So, don't worry, you should get OTA asap
Sent from my A500 using XDA
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oh sounds promising, although I just read another post from someone across the ditch in OZ he reckoned acer said they were working on a patch for the problems theyre havin with the first update...who knows
now m8, sorry to confuse you, that wasnt my intention, but i try to make sure that i;m not suggesting things which may end with you or others borkin or brickin yr tab. Ive spent the last few days reading thousands of posts (just like everyone else) thankfully we are fortunate in being able to learn from the mistakes of others I know a bit more about ics than i did 3 days ago let me tell you, lol.
i just finished helpin out a fellow "timmy-ite" stuck with no way of getting in to apx mode to get un-borked...well didnt really help just a sounding board more than anything
he got himself up and running, used the apx tool in my sig, unlocked the bootloader, rooted, flashed custom recovery did a nand and is now running flexreaper - with the tools and knowledge he gained he now has the choice to go back to HC to get the OTA or not....he's one happy camper!!!
Have a read have a read thru the threadhere. ask him a question or two if you want - but dont get too hung up "maybe doing something wrong" you won't be the only person ever to experience that uhh-ohh sinking feeling when you know you shouldnt have just done whatever it was that u just did
Theres always someone round here who will help - usually cos they done the same silly lthings themselves - why ya think i'm always posting

what is the backdoor program you guys talk about?

tu3218 said:
what is the backdoor program you guys talk about?
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timmydean's root method also allows you to install a backdoor to re-root after accepting an OTA. You have to manually install it during the rooting process, so you would know if you had it.

jpinsl said:
timmydean's root method also allows you to install a backdoor to re-root after accepting an OTA. You have to manually install it during the rooting process, so you would know if you had it.
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timmyDean How to root stock 3.2.1
Summary:
Version V4 is the same as V3 with the only difference being that there is a NEW backdoor script which has some additional features to protect root(#) from getting broken when you do an OTA. I also applied these to this flash image so you wouldn't have to add the additional protection yourself. V4 also has the drivers for XP included. However, when taking an OTA you should also install the backdoor for additional protection. However, you cannot leave the backdoor installed as it turns off sound. So having a little more protection just might save your root in case you take an OTA and forget to install the backdoor.
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beat me to it
its a completely stock gen2 rooted and cwm - you can use to unbrick, or go back to stock. only for HC bootloaders though.....

This worked to me
tu3218 said:
I'm running completely stock, no rom anything. Just flashed updates from users here to update me to the latest HC. I received the ICS update but pretty sure it won't work since I'm rooted and running CWM recovery. What do I need to do to install ICS? thanks
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Well my friend, this worked to me... I hope this can help somebody else:
Original ROM: Acer A500 3.2.1 COM_GEN2 Rooted and with CWM using Timmy's method.
1) Go to play market and install Acer Recovery Installer.
2) Open Acer Recovery and verify with recovery do you have. In my case it was CWM recovery by thor2002ro 1.5
3) Install stock recovery. Make a backup of your old recovery when ask.
4) Factory reset: in my case, I made a backup of all my data and used Titanium to backup some apps. Then I harded reset my tab by turning it off and the combo pwd + vol(+) then lock-unlock switch 3 times until I saw "eraing user data" in the top-left corner.
5) turn on the tab and go to google play. Search for acer and install Update enhancement.
6) Go to settings-> about-> system update and aply the OTA update.
You will lost root, but everything should work fine.
To gain root access again, you can follow this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1546593
Now I have rooted stock ICS and I'm so happy

Hey great write up, will try this as soon as I'm off work. Anyway to confirm stock recovery is installed? Because I have done what you said(just the flash stock recovery part) an when I boot into recovery I just get a triangle an exclamation point. Not sure if thats right or not. But I will definitely give this a go since you were running exactly what I'm running now.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA

3d0rr said:
Well my friend, this worked to me... I hope this can help somebody else:
Original ROM: Acer A500 3.2.1 COM_GEN2 Rooted and with CWM using Timmy's method...
...To gain root access again, you can follow this thread - ...xda-developers.com/showthread...
Now I have rooted stock ICS and I'm so happy
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yay for 3d0rr you finally took the plunge congrats!!!!!
@tu3218
That download link is no longer available
instead download blackthund3r's one-click-root,
google "ICS Root for Windows"
At step 3 - After you have backed up -
Copy the uid.txt file from the backup folder - this holds your cpu id -
you're probably gonna need it at sum stage

I followed your instructions and it went perfect!!! Rocking ics now. Thanks for the help. First thing I notice, soooo much faster an full of butter.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA

go back to stock ics non-rooted?

I'm probably gonna have to send in my tablet for repair and I've rooted and installed flexreaper's R14 from for ics.I bought the tablet about a month ago it had honeycomb idk if there's a way I can get back to that if not can I get back to stock ics and how can I unroot my tab?

The better way is restore the official rom, you can do it with the downgrade to 3.0.1 unstable.. Which bootloader? HC or ICS?
If you have HC, make the downgrade and then the OTA update or flash a totally stock non-rooted rom (Androonay - vache's site), everything will be stock..
I've done the same 2 days ago e no issues

I think I have the ice boot loader I'm not sure though how can I tell?

rcraig617 said:
I think I have the ice boot loader I'm not sure though how can I tell?
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Launch Acer Recovery Installer v2.74, it should show which bootloader you have.
If is 3.01 -> HC

Boot loader Version=0.03.12-unl is what it says

rcraig617 said:
Boot loader Version=0.03.12-unl is what it says
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It's an ICS bootloader unlocked
Sent from my Packard Bell [email protected] v169 using Tapatalk

So can I go back to stock ics and if so how? Also will they know I rooted if I send in my tab if so I wanna unroot also if any can help me.

I'm wondering the same thing. CWM rev1.3.4 by thor2002ro bootloader version is 3.01 is what I have on mine.

Use one of the TimmyDean APX Packages with your UID and you can flash the unstable 3.0.1 build. Then install Acer Update Enhancement (either from the market or from the Acer website via the APK download) and update to OTA ICS

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1632392&highlight=timmydean
would this work?

rcraig617 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1632392&highlight=timmydean
would this work?
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That's the rooted package. On second thoughts - head to vache's download link thread and scroll down to the EUU section
Sent from my Iconia A500 using Tapatalk 2

Similar situation... almost
I am in a very similar situation as the OP except my hardware problem is that both the USB and microUSB have quit on me. Without being able to use APX mode, I'm pretty hosed... right? Anyone want to place an over/under on Acer ignoring the unlocked bootloader and fixing the defective USB module?

You could also use afterOTA found here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1675939
and it walks you through going completely stock, although why are you sending it in? I have sent a couple things back for screen replacements and they didn't care it was running custom ROMS. But that tool should do the trick for you.

I just got the tab a month ago and my speakers randomly stopped working on me I wanna send it in while I still have warranty

mastashake said:
I am in a very similar situation as the OP except my hardware problem is that both the USB and microUSB have quit on me. Without being able to use APX mode, I'm pretty hosed... right? Anyone want to place an over/under on Acer ignoring the unlocked bootloader and fixing the defective USB module?
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You can fix that. MicroSD
Stick on a MicroSD a stock Acer ICS Leak ROM and flash it in CWM
Then once flashed, it'll automatically flash the stock bootloader and when it boots it'll flash the stock recovery back! Then reboot it and do the Volume Up / rotation lock toggle to wipe all your data off then it's completely stock!
Sent from my Iconia A500 using Tapatalk 2

[Q] Razr M Root and RSD fail constantly.

Hey all, im new to the forum. I have been a spectator for a while and decided to see if you could help me. I have a Razr M (Verizon) and i used to have it rooted and running eclipse. I wanted to switch roms to PACman but it wouldn't stop failing. So after much anger i decided to reflash firmwear to stock 4.1.2 and it worked. I tried to root again using motochopper but it fails every time. I have tried to reflash with RSDlite but it also fails every time on step 1/19. Nothing i try is working and im loosing faith haha. Ive looked threw a lot of the other boards but all solutions never work for me. The goal is to have a Razr M running PACman but for right now its still on the ugly stock rom Any help or insight at all is greatly appreciated.

Willybrown said:
Hey all, im new to the forum. I have been a spectator for a while and decided to see if you could help me. I have a Razr M (Verizon) and i used to have it rooted and running eclipse. I wanted to switch roms to PACman but it wouldn't stop failing. So after much anger i decided to reflash firmwear to stock 4.1.2 and it worked. I tried to root again using motochopper but it fails every time. I have tried to reflash with RSDlite but it also fails every time on step 1/19. Nothing i try is working and im loosing faith haha. Ive looked threw a lot of the other boards but all solutions never work for me. The goal is to have a Razr M running PACman but for right now its still on the ugly stock rom Any help or insight at all is greatly appreciated.
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what recovery are you running? if TWRP (any version other than 2.4), then you should be able to place the ROM on the external SD card and flash it (after wiping system/factory reset) - and then install the GApps.

jco23 said:
what recovery are you running? if TWRP (any version other than 2.4), then you should be able to place the ROM on the external SD card and flash it (after wiping system/factory reset) - and then install the GApps.
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I was running safestrap but now im not running anything, the device has been Firmwear flashed and factory reset. Safestrap would also fail, made it basically useless. It wouldn't even correctly activate the stock rom slot.

Willybrown said:
I was running safestrap but now im not running anything, the device has been Firmwear flashed and factory reset. Safestrap would also fail, made it basically useless. It wouldn't even correctly activate the stock rom slot.
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UPDATE: i got to step 6/19 in RSD, Here is a screenshop of it, i hope it helps.

Willybrown said:
UPDATE: i got to step 6/19 in RSD, Here is a screenshop of it, i hope it helps.
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Post about phone info. Unlock status. Hold all 3 keys til black then let off pwr pause 2 sec. Let go vols. V down to fast boot v up.

Willybrown said:
I was running safestrap but now im not running anything, the device has been Firmwear flashed and factory reset. Safestrap would also fail, made it basically useless. It wouldn't even correctly activate the stock rom slot.
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PAC and all other 4.2.2 ROMs can only be installed via TWRP/CWN, not SS.

aviwdoowks said:
Post about phone info. Unlock status. Hold all 3 keys til black then let off pwr pause 2 sec. Let go vols. V down to fast boot v up.
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Not combination of key presses has any result, the only thing i get is fastboot, and its a razr m with an unlocked bootloader...

Willybrown said:
Not combination of key presses has any result, the only thing i get is fastboot, and its a razr m with an unlocked bootloader...
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I DO not know. Bad XML Redownload?

aviwdoowks said:
I DO not know. Bad XML Redownload?
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No go, ive tried redownloading everything and no luck. Im also getting errors of fastboot is not a recognized command from RSD. Ive tried matts tool with same result. The phone rejects everything i try to do to it.

Willybrown said:
No go, ive tried redownloading everything and no luck. Im also getting errors of fastboot is not a recognized command from RSD. Ive tried matts tool with same result. The phone rejects everything i try to do to it.
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How much battery do you have? Also, which version of RSD are you using? I can barely read the version in your screenshot, it looks like 6.1.5, but I can't tell.

just got the phone to boot using SDK. I am using RSD 6.1.5 im going to try rooting and installing PACman. What recovery should i use?

SDK worked! the phone is now operating on the stock rom. problem is motochopper (by itself or in Matt's utility) fails every time. here is a screenshot. anyone have any ideas because i am lost.