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Before I rooted I would read all these posts about how great the roms would be after Sprint released 2.1. So finally I rooted this weekend, and as I look through all the ROMs they all have major issues, and a lot of the major players have moved on to the EVO. So is that it. As soon as 2.1 comes to us we are left with a bunch of roms that don't work any better, or worse, then stock? That is unless I'm willing to cut out all of HTC and Google software.
Please give me advice as to what I do with this rooted phone now.
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Before I rooted I would read all these posts about how great the roms would be after Sprint released 2.1. So finally I rooted this weekend, and as I look through all the ROMs they all have major issues, and a lot of the major players have moved on to the EVO. So is that it. As soon as 2.1 comes to us we are left with a bunch of roms that don't work any better, or worse, then stock? That is unless I'm willing to cut out all of HTC and Google software.
Please give me advice as to what I do with this rooted phone now.
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Not all of the phones have major issues if u read a lot of the roms they tell if they have any. Also there r stock roms that can be overclocked. We've had three or four devs leave to the evo. That not the end of the world plus they left with final full working roms. If ur not happy with something then for it itself or realize nothing is perfect and that these devs spend a lot of there free time cooking there roms and get real tired of hearing people complain about something that us free. Be a little grateful. Read, search, to a little homework and then ask the questions u have inside ur head before u post a dumb question
Look around, no one here is going to hold your hand.
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I would chalk up the majority of the "user problems" to user error such as not wiping between flashes or bad 3rd party software with memory leaks or preventing the phone from sleeping...
Sadly a good number of devs went on to the Evo, even worse is some left in the mid of new releases without fixing some bugs.
Even though a couple of the dev's have moved on, there are still some great ones working on the hero. There are at least 6 or 7 fully functioning roms built on 2.1 right now and there's even some movement on 2.2.
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Even though a couple of the dev's have moved on, there are still some great ones working on the hero. There are at least 6 or 7 fully functioning roms built on 2.1 right now and there's even some movement on 2.2.
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As soon as 2.2 is fully functional I'm gonna make a rom of my own with it and I've got my second rom comming soon to 2.1 woohoo lol
Lol, I have been a member here for more then a year, but I don't post because I know what you get here when you post, I had 2 people call my question dumb or call me ungrateful..
Anyways, I was not being mean to the devs. I think their feelings are still intact (those who have not left)
As for reading and searching the forums, which the "positive" posters repeat like a mantra.... well I have been reading, I've been reading like crazy, and All I see are problems with the Roms because no one ever posts positive feedback.
However, I gather from those more productive posts here that the ROMs are very good quality. So from here ill try them out myself, and refrain from posting again for the next year.
Thank you and sorry to all those with tender feelings who where offended by the simplest of posts.
Just an FYI for everyone Fresh just put out a 2.5.2 BETA to donors.
I assume he will leave this one in 100% working order before he dumps the hero for good.
I think he said in the email something along the lines of "last build before FINAL" but don't quote my quote.
I haven't run a damaged ROM in weeks - I went from him to Darch which I feel is the end all.
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As soon as 2.2 is fully functional I'm gonna make a rom of my own with it and I've got my second rom comming soon to 2.1 woohoo lol
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Blue echo????
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Just an FYI for everyone Fresh just put out a 2.5.2 BETA to donors.
I assume he will leave this one in 100% working order before he dumps the hero for good.
I think he said in the email something along the lines of "last build before FINAL" but don't quote my quote.
I haven't run a damaged ROM in weeks - I went from him to Darch which I feel is the end all.
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WERE at
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Yeah, I'm thinking DarchDroid is the end-all-be-all, especially with Darch and Cyanogen working together to bring CyanogenMod 6 to the Hero.
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WERE at
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I can't give a link, Fresh would be mad a me. Give it a few days and hell have a post in the dev thread.
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I can't give a link, Fresh would be mad a me. Give it a few days and hell have a post in the dev thread.
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Or he can go to geekfor.me and donate to flipz to get access to the beta testing
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Blue echo????
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That is my first rom. Coming next is Red dawn to 2.1 roms. I might convert them over when froyo hits
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.... well I have been reading, I've been reading like crazy, and All I see are problems with the Roms because no one ever posts positive feedback.
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That's odd. I see people in DamageControl and Darchdroid thanking the devs all the time. I haven't had any major issues at all and very few minor ones.
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That's odd. I see people in DamageControl and Darchdroid thanking the devs all the time. I haven't had any major issues at all and very few minor ones.
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Agreed. I get them in my rom thread also. But I also get feed back if things don't which I appreciate cause then I can fix it
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That's odd. I see people in DamageControl and Darchdroid thanking the devs all the time. I haven't had any major issues at all and very few minor ones.
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Agreed. I get them in my rom thread also. But I also get feed back if things don't which I appreciate cause then I can fix it
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OK OK, I'm Wrong. You are right. The person who made this thread is a big dummy who didn't read anything at all, and is a fine example of whats wrong with this website and n00bs in general.
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OK OK, I'm Wrong. You are right. The person who made this thread is a big dummy who didn't read anything at all, and is a fine example of whats wrong with this website and n00bs in general.
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Lmao maybe u need a bath to get all the sand out of the unmentionable places lmao
Aloysius 2.1 is rock solid, fast, chocked full of goodies, and did I say, STABLE. Blows any stock Sprint ROM out of the water. DarchDroid 2.7 is good and fast if you like AOSP. And I liked RegawMOD a lot too (use Honeybun OC kernel for extra speed). Plenty of others out there as well. I really liked the Blue ROM but my Hero won't load it. Just try them and quit worrying about it. Use apps2sd and then nandroid and you can go back and forth without losing your apps.
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Last build before "FINAL" just means the last non-beta release before an official / final release .
Hey. First time poster, and new to android development. I have had the G1 and use the cyanogen mod, but with the new vibrant on order I am starting to look at what it can do. How hard and if it can be done, how, would one put a stock 2.2 build ( like whats on the N1 ) on the vibrant?
Dude there really isnt much to read as far as the vibrant goes, so if you would have read you would see the answer is no....lazy.
Ill admit it. Glanced at the first few posts and didn't think it was going to answer my question. But after reading through them, found several boards with the information. Thanks though
Just to let you know this weekend my whole entire purpose in life is going to be getting CM6 to run on the Vibrant
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Just to let you know this weekend my whole entire purpose in life is going to be getting CM6 to run on the Vibrant
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Looking forward to CM6. The touchwiz stuff doesn't really sell for me, nice but not needed. Really looking to see how CM6 with 2.2 Dalvik JIT runs on this phone. I am seeing fast and power in the future.
I've actually asked Cyanogen if he might work on CM for the Vibrant (seeing as I'm probably getting one and need CM!). He stated that the Vibrant and DroidX were at the top of the list of devices. Well, seeing the issues with the DroidX's bootloader and "e-fuse", the Vibrant is possible. He'll definitely be getting a donation from me once I have the Vibrant.
I'd post the tweets, but don't really have time.
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I've actually asked Cyanogen if he might work on CM for the Vibrant (seeing as I'm probably getting one and need CM!). He stated that the Vibrant and DroidX were at the top of the list of devices. Well, seeing the issues with the DroidX's bootloader and "e-fuse", the Vibrant is possible. He'll definitely be getting a donation from me once I have the Vibrant.
I'd post the tweets, but don't really have time.
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NICE! can't wait to see the progress
I'll just leave this right here.
http://twitter.com/kmobs/status/18628575496
Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, but.....chances are looking very good.
looks like thats still the vibrant build (look at the icons on the notification bar) with ADW running, so I'm not too hopeful yet!
Ah, very true. Didn't think of that.
First of all, yes, you will EVENTUALLY be able to put 2.2 on your Vibrant.
Second, this thread belongs in the general section.
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First of all, yes, you will EVENTUALLY be able to put 2.2 on your Vibrant.
Second, this thread belongs in the general section.
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x2.
i'm no fan of touchwiz either. for the mean time i'm using a home theme app called "launcher pro" which looks and operates just like froyo 2.2 minus the flash capabilities of course. runs very fast and smooth for what it is. i'll be running this until froyo actually comes out.
1.28GHz IS NOT REAL
I know I posted it, and people have been running it. But after looking over the code more last night, I realized that I had been had. I took the word of another developer on the line for 1.28GHz, added it to my kernel, and it magically worked. After looking at it closer, whether intentional or not, he had the multiplier set at 0x1E(30), which is 1.152GHz. So even though it's reporting 1.28GHz, it's really running at 1.152GHz.
I've learned my lesson trusting someone else for what I should have looked into more closely, and I hope you all don't think worse of me for doing that. I apologize for leading people astray with this, but hey, at least I'm man enough to admit it.
Again, I really feel bad for misleading people on this, it's not in my nature to do that, ok maybe some, but not with something like this.
With that all said, I could do one showing maybe 4.71GHz, now that'd be awesome for screenshots. lol
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No worries. The cool thing is that my phone was actually mostly stable at 1.15 which was never really possible before. Usually i get freezes and bootloops. On yours the worse i got was an app quitting once in awhile.
no worries dude you did the right thing
So if I get up to 88 miles per hour my phone won't put out the 1.28 gigawatts to make me time travel? That's a shame.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
brownie points for coming clean
has anyone made a custom oc uv with the new .17 kernel yet?
EDIT: i feel dumb...didn't realize source wasn't out for the new kern.
I didn't use the kernel, but you doing this makes me (and hopefully everyone else) respect you even more as a developer.
jdkoreclipse release another ROM?...
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No worries. The cool thing is that my phone was actually mostly stable at 1.15 which was never really possible before. Usually i get freezes and bootloops. On yours the worse i got was an app quitting once in awhile.
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no worries dude you did the right thing
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brownie points for coming clean
has anyone made a custom oc uv with the new .17 kernel yet?
EDIT: i feel dumb...didn't realize source wasn't out for the new kern.
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I didn't use the kernel, but you doing this makes me (and hopefully everyone else) respect you even more as a developer.
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At least I'm getting the response I was hoping for, thank you all for understanding. I'll be re-doing all my kernels this evening. I may even do some capped at 2.6496GHz, that way people can play to see how high they really can go. Brownie points to anyone that figures out why I choose that freq. lol
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So if I get up to 88 miles per hour my phone won't put out the 1.28 gigawatts to make me time travel? That's a shame.
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Sorry dude, I was hoping for time travel myself, but for now, we're stuck in the present.
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Not a problem man, it wasn't like you were doing it on purpose. So all is good. We appreciate your work!
Makes sense. I tried it on the Feather ROM and was getting almost exactly the same performance/scores.
Much appreciated for coming clean and letting everyone know. I doubt anyone would hold it against you.
Z,
You are a good person for accepting the blame for somebody else's mistake. Either way your kernels are better than almost all others on the desire ports so I am sticking to them. Happy with the performance and it being stable at 1.152. Made me follow you on twitter.
2 other comments/questions:
1. did u take out the debug script that you had posted about on twitter? I did not see battery loss anyways...
2. I tried your incredible AOSP kernel on ultimate droid 1.0.0 but it turned the touch screen into unresponsive mode. Did dalvik wipe etc. Given that UD is like CM, I would have thought it would need an AOSP kernel but perhaps I was wrong. Could you please take a look at that?
Thanks and keep up the good work.
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1.28GHz IS NOT REAL
I know I posted it, and people have been running it. But after looking over the code more last night, I realized that I had been had. I took the word of another developer on the line for 1.28GHz, added it to my kernel, and it magically worked. After looking at it closer, whether intentional or not, he had the multiplier set at 0x1E(30), which is 1.152GHz. So even though it's reporting 1.28GHz, it's really running at 1.152GHz.
I've learned my lesson trusting someone else for what I should have looked into more closely, and I hope you all don't think worse of me for doing that. I apologize for leading people astray with this, but hey, at least I'm man enough to admit it.
Again, I really feel bad for misleading people on this, it's not in my nature to do that, ok maybe some, but not with something like this.
With that all said, I could do one showing maybe 4.71GHz, now that'd be awesome for screenshots. lol
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Placebo I love it, lol Hey thanks for clearing that up ziggy!!
ID
P.S. Can we get a placebo of over 9000!!!!! I kidd
Spider man
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Z,
You are a good person for accepting the blame for somebody else's mistake. .......
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I'm currently using the aosp kernel with shadow rom and it's working great. Just that slight battery drain with screen on is the only issue I have with it currently.
Sent from my Incredible using Tapatalk.
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I'm currently using the aosp kernel with shadow rom and it's working great. Just that slight battery drain with screen on is the only issue I have with it currently.
Sent from my Incredible using Tapatalk.
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I know what the problem is, and will try and post new kernels tonight.
So ID wanted a 9GHz kernel, should I do it just for grins???
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Hm. Will this be good with battery drain as well as a decent performer?
Much respect Ziggy, takes a real man to admit a gaff, even if it's not your gaff to own up to!
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haha... hows his ass taste?
sorry you fell right into that one
I hadn't heard of your kernels before this thread, but I'm giving the latest a try. I'm one of the lucky few that can run stable at 1.19 GHz, so 1.28 would have been insane.
The latest kernel is running great. The only issue I'm having, I can't connect to wifi file explorer. Anyone have any suggestions?
That's about it for me. But first a point or two.
Why I came here, what I hoped to provide and why I'm done:
I will be the first one to acknowledge that TW have this thing down way better than I do! I am running Nero Beta 3 as I am typing this! It would have taken me forever to come up with a 2.2 mounting fix, FOREVER. Even more, they were kind enough to give me my own repo on their site. They have been great to me and I have learned so much from them.
BUT, I wanted to provide a little variety for people between the Eugene/Master/TW releases. I think I did just that.
Mjollnir: My first try at a rom, nothing more that just a really, really big theme.
sXe: My second try which included backwards compatible framework.
Volholl: My JK2 / JK6 / JL1 Hybrid
Volholl Valkyrie: Pure JL4
Volholl Ragnarok: Only known 2.2.1 port released for Vibrant, with working wifi and gps - even with the signal related soft boot bug, I was the only one brave enough to put it all on the line and release it,
Volholl PepperKake : Pure JL5 with all images, sounds plus, plus ripped from Nexus S dump
How is it so easy to criticize someone who spends countless hours putting something together for you for free? When you have done nothing for the community other than demand more?
As far as I know, everyone respects sombionix, yet even he has had to come on here and defend a stock release because everyone kept complaining that it MAY have included TW init - which it didn't.
So, that is my rant.
I will continue to release Roms, Themes, whatever you decide to call them - they just won't be posted on XDA for a while, or ever..
Sorry to see it came to this man since I think you have provided some really useful stuff. Sad how people feel the need to troll and criticize things needlessly but I will continue to follow you else where.
Woahhh... Wait, what happened.? I got back within the hour from being with family on Christmas.. More people trolling & flaming people? Didn't we just have a town hall meeting?
Yeah but some people just don't appreciate the hard work of you guys. All they do is come here and complain over little insignificant things because they apparently font get enough attention at home. I don't blame heathen at all for dumping this place. Good thing I can still use his stuff on tw forums.
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I am new to this forum and I was lucky enough to grab your Nexus clone for the Vibrant. I absolutely love this rom. That is all.
Honestly, the Vibrant section of this site is going to hell with all these pr*cks pissing off those that actually do something for others. These are the worst of the worst, because not only do they not do anything, but they keep others from doing work as well. Do we really have to be such a$$es while offering criticism?
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Honestly, the Vibrant section of this site is going to hell with all these pr*cks pissing off those that actually do something for others. These are the worst of the worst, because not only do they not do anything, but they keep others from doing work as well. Do we really have to be such a$$es while offering criticism?
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I have a pretty short memory. I do get mad but it doesn't last forever. I'm testing the next release of the pulled rom right now with the new audio and gps settings and the crt shutdown sequence.
jellette said:
I have a pretty short memory. I do get mad but it doesn't last forever. I'm testing the next release of the pulled rom right now with the new audio and gps settings and the crt shutdown sequence.
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Hey thats great jillette. Please do post ur ROMs here on xda..cos we really appreciate ur work
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Hey thats great jillette. Please do post ur ROMs here on xda..cos we really appreciate ur work
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Indeed we do!
most users here do appreciate all developers work. its just the few idiots/trolls with loud voices who spoil it for everyone else
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most users here do appreciate all developers work. its just the few idiots/trolls with loud voices who spoil it for everyone else
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Agreed....I for one respect all the hardworking developers (and other people who take out the time to post something that others benefit from) and really dislikedislike those who try to mess it up for everyone because they have nothing better to do...
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I have a pretty short memory. I do get mad but it doesn't last forever. I'm testing the next release of the pulled rom right now with the new audio and gps settings and the crt shutdown sequence.
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Post them other than here on xda...
Pm them to people, or at TW's site. You or the other devs should be treated this way.
Sent from the helm of the vibrant Galaxy S!
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I have a pretty short memory. I do get mad but it doesn't last forever. I'm testing the next release of the pulled rom right now with the new audio and gps settings and the crt shutdown sequence.
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I know I am really enjoying your latest rom. Out of all the roms available yours is the one I am using.
gotta say, i've never flashed one of your roms, but don't stopping making them available.
some people are douches and don't deserve what the community does for them.
what have they done?
just keep on keepin on. if for no other reason than you are, i'm sure, learning a bunch of cool **** and having fun.
Check it out! Forward to 12:00 to see it in action
This has already been posted twice... and the most obvious answer is that it isn't ready yet. Just because you see ICS running and one feature demonstrated doesn't mean the entire thing is ready yet.
Nice to see it running on a Xoom...
Surprised we don't have a leaked beta version of ICS for Xoom.
I'd rather wait for a proper version from the Tiamat guys than have a half working leaked version.
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I'd rather wait for a proper version from the Tiamat guys than have a half working leaked version.
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Don't get me wrong, I can't wait for the Tiamat ROM, I just would love to see some in depth ICS videos or be able to play around with it myself on the Xoom. Just to get a taste, even if it is an early build
I ain't trippin' 'bout waitin' for this update. My XOOM runs as I expected it to back in February (and it's about time, too.) The only things that ICS offers that I care about are resizeable Widgets (I hope they mean it this time) and the ability to take screenshots and hide apps without root access.
I can get almost everything done on my XOOM that I planned to do when I bought it. It will be nice to have as long as they don't screw it up. I don't care if it comes.
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Don't get me wrong, I can't wait for the Tiamat ROM, I just would love to see some in depth ICS videos or be able to play around with it myself on the Xoom. Just to get a taste, even if it is an early build
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If you want a taste of ICS, then DL the latest version of ADW Launcher EX. It is just like the ICS launcher (from what I've seen) and it takes a bit of getting used to. A bit too easy to create folders IMO as you move app icons around. Resizable widgets, of course (not new for ADW). Lots of customizations possible.
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This has already been posted twice... and the most obvious answer is that it isn't ready yet. Just because you see ICS running and one feature demonstrated doesn't mean the entire thing is ready yet.
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Yea, we wouldn't want another rushed for the Xoom like honeycomb was with 3.0, 3.0.1, etc. lol
So, yea I don't mind waiting a bit til they get some of the bugs out.
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If you want a taste of ICS, then DL the latest version of ADW Launcher EX. It is just like the ICS launcher (from what I've seen) and it takes a bit of getting used to. A bit too easy to create folders IMO as you move app icons around. Resizable widgets, of course (not new for ADW). Lots of customizations possible.
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Scrollable widgets kinda suck on ADW launcher EX on my xoom. It's hard to flick and scroll my gmail widget. It's worse when I set gestures to open/close the dock. Everytime I try to scroll widgets up or down, the dock opens or close and I can't even scroll the widget properly.
Not everyone has the time or will to dig through the thread list to check whether or not a particular topic has been discussed already before starting a new thread on the same topic. Besides, let the mods moderate reposts of essentially the same topic. That is why they exist, after all (among many other responsibilities, of course)!
With that out of the way, I share in the OP's eagerness for an ICS port and find it a bit disconcerting that there's no port for my tablet the Xoom, of course nor my phone, the T-Mob GSII. I applaud the devs who are currently toiling away to bring ICS to the Xoom and would definitely buy one of them a round of beer for their hard work with the only catch being since I don't have Paypal (long story) they'd have to be in the NYC area
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find it a bit disconcerting that there's no port for my tablet the Xoom, of course nor my phone, the T-Mob GSII.
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Motorola already confirmed it will come, just give them time. Those things don't happen overnight, as they have to take the source code, add the hardware drivers (different interface with the kernel than previous versions), add their branded software, and then test everything to ensure it works. It will come, both from the community AND Motorola.
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Not everyone has the time or will to dig through the thread list to check whether or not a particular topic has been discussed already before starting a new thread on the same topic. Besides, let the mods moderate reposts of essentially the same topic. That is why they exist, after all (among many other responsibilities, of course)!...
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Blah, what a cop-out.
Rule #1 from Forum & Marketplace Rules says:
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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If you don't have the "time or will" to search before you post, then don't post...IMO.
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Motorola already confirmed it will come, just give them time. Those things don't happen overnight, as they have to take the source code, add the hardware drivers (different interface with the kernel than previous versions), add their branded software, and then test everything to ensure it works. It will come, both from the community AND Motorola.
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I agree. When Motorola puts out their update, it will be even easier for xda development to make something nice. I am not going to get on people who aren't getting anything out of it. I don't expect free stuff just because someone is working on it anyway.
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If you don't have the "time or will" to search before you post, then don't post...IMO.
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If we're going to start telling people how to post, why not tell people how to reply?
-If you only want to dress someone down in public, keep scrolling.-
The evil city-state of 3devious is such a harsh place that even I don't measure up. You don't want to suck as badly as me, do you?
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If we're going to start telling people how to post, why not tell people how to reply?
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When I made my initial post about the OP posting this when it was already mentioned twice, both threads where the ICS video were posted were on page 1. Wasn't a lot of searching to be done to see them... I can understand if a related thread is deep or a few pages away, but page one reeks of laziness.
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If we're going to start telling people how to post...
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I think everyone here knows "how to post." You hit the reply, quote, or new thread button. Pretty simple. What you post is a different story. The rules are there for a reason.
As for the other stuff in your reply, I have no clue as to what you were trying to say, but one thing I do know, is that I will never suck as bad as you....
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I agree.
/10char
I will poach elephants and club baby seals for ICS on my Xoom before Christmas. Any big game hunters interested, just get in touch.
Oh wait, we're talking about posting on forums
looks like they got the nexus s one ready as ics is available for download on that device. I'd imagine the xoom isn't that far down the line seeing how everyone who works at google owns one.
Are we FINALLY going to be able to WRITE to our SD Cards like EVERY other Android Tablet out there? This whole GED BULL**** has really held back Our Xoom's to there full potential. GED has been a Big Headache and WORTHLESS. It has NOT given us any cool stuff over other Android Tablets. I believe GED has hindered our devices. This will be the LAST GED device I buy as it does NOTHING Special.