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Clear Says It Can Achieve 90Mbps Downstream via LTE -- And LightSquared Is Involved

Interesting...
http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/03/08/another-rumor-lightsquared-sprint/
Looks like Sprint and LightSquared might be linking up to provide LTE over S's existing spectrum.
Meanwhile, in the same article, it seems that Clear is also looking at converting their towers to LTE base-stations, with the ability to deliver 90Mbps (in un-congested cells) downstream (the carrier in Japan that's getting the EVO said their WiMax network was going to deliver similar capability).
So, is it a done deal: Sprint to LTE (with some spectrum at 2.5GHz standardized around the world), with Clear's network augmenting and providing density?
Also interesting: Best Buy is buying wholesale access from LightSquared -
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/23/best-buy-signs-up-for-lightsquareds-wholesale-lte-service/
Looks like a very fast, and very LTE future for S. Anyone up for an EVO 5LTE?

really interesting so their not using the 700 mhz band like verizon theyre using the 2.5ghz isnt that bad because it cant penetrate buildings as easily?

Halabeaster54 said:
really interesting so their not using the 700 mhz band like verizon theyre using the 2.5ghz isnt that bad because it cant penetrate buildings as easily?
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Verizon has bought all the good spectrums
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.

Lightsquared I believe owns spectrum in the 1400-1500mhz frequencies. If they are going to use Clear's 2500mhz frequency to augment and help with capacity that sounds like a plan.
Edit - article states lightsquared owns spectrum in the 1600mhz frequency. That's still much better than Clear's 2500mhz, and Sprint was able to build their PCS network with 1900mhz frequency.
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That 2.5GHz band is apparently a world-standard. Maybe they have to bump up the wattage to get better penetration into dense buildings?
I was reading a couple of other articles and they are suggesting that Sprint might be talking about acquiring LightSquared. They apparently will be doing some network-sharing definitely.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/report-lightsquared-talks-sprint-network-sharing-deal/2011-02-23
And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
That's interesting to me, because that dude BSOD over at the Android Forums said that the new EVO 3D would be WiMax- and LTE-capable. Makes me wonder if there's a little trick hidden up the EVO 3D's sleeve -- WiMax AND LTE capability -- that Sprint is being coy about right now...

TonyArmstrong said:
That 2.5GHz band is apparently a world-standard. Maybe they have to bump up the wattage to get better penetration into dense buildings?
I was reading a couple of other articles and they are suggesting that Sprint might be talking about acquiring LightSquared. They apparently will be doing some network-sharing definitely.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/report-lightsquared-talks-sprint-network-sharing-deal/2011-02-23
And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
That's interesting to me, because that dude BSOD over at the Android Forums said that the new EVO 3D would be WiMax- and LTE-capable. Makes me wonder if there's a little trick hidden up the EVO 3D's sleeve -- WiMax AND LTE capability -- that Sprint is being coy about right now...
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It is rumored that the Evo 3D is both WiMax/LTE capable.

TonyArmstrong said:
And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
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Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.

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It is rumored that the Evo 3D is both WiMax/LTE capable.
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Exactly. But no one is talking about it right now.
Kinda makes me think that Sprint has an "October Surprise" of its own planned.

once we get a tear down of this phone we can know for sure what it has in it.

blackroseMD1 said:
Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.
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I hope Los Angeles gets it. Plenty cities got WiMAX before Los Angeles, which I found odd considering LA is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. Of course, LA is also very spread out, whereas other major metropolitan centers are more compact (see: New York City). Here's hoping for some lovely LTE on our new Evo 3Ds.

I'm still trying to figure out what all the hype about LTE is over. Sure Clear's spectrum sucks for building penetration and their bandwidth is way to small at 10MHz but how would using LTE make it any better?
This may be slightly off topic since I know light squared is bringing more spectrum to the table, but I'm seriously confused about it all.
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xHausx said:
I'm still trying to figure out what all the hype about LTE is over. Sure Clear's spectrum sucks for building penetration and their bandwidth is way to small at 10MHz but how would using LTE make it any better?
This may be slightly off topic since I know light squared is bringing more spectrum to the table, but I'm seriously confused about it all.
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Lightsquared has a lot of Spectrum in the 1600mhz spectrum. With the rumors of them partnering with Sprint on the Network Vision/Project Leapfrog buildout, they will put their equipment on Sprint's towers. This helps with the speed of the build out, and building penetration won't be as much of an issue as 2500mhz Wimax. Most of Sprint's towers were spaced for 1900mhz (they didn't have 800mhz until acquiring Nextel), so I would assume 1600mhz LTE should be fine for indoor use.
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Yay lets achieve 90mbps in areas that already have 4G and not roll it out to the little guys who still can't get 4G(very populated area). Sprints network blows.
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blackroseMD1 said:
Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.
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I hope Los Angeles gets it. Plenty cities got WiMAX before Los Angeles, which I found odd considering LA is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. Of course, LA is also very spread out, whereas other major metropolitan centers are more compact (see: New York City). Here's hoping for some lovely LTE on our new Evo 3Ds.
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I think the operative term is "their eight largest" metropolitan areas -- meaning the eight markets that have the most Sprint customers, regardless their place in the overall largest metro areas. I assume that Sprint's 8 largest markets are roughly similar to the largest metro areas overall.
Hopefully, we'll all be benefiting from dramatically faster mobile broadband speeds.

Sprint's 4G solution is at a crawl or complete stop, because that's exactly what happened. The rollout is at a complete stop, and both companies still are not at an agreement. The ones who are still committed to Clear stopped investing, and it's just a mess. Sprint wants Clear to join their Network Vision, which would save both companies billions of dollars. This is the holdup on Sprint's decision towards LTE. Lightsquared is ready to use their Network Vision, and will pay Sprint for it. Clear better make their decision quick, or other companies will help Sprint make the decision soon.
The 8 largest metropolitan cities that Hesse was talking about was their multi-mode towers, and nothing more. Sprint have "soft" LTE markets, but nothing close to launch. Clear is holding **** up.
As for the EVO 3D having Beceem's BCS500 chip, which will be the first of its kind and not even in mass production, is driving me up the wall. That and a firmware, not hardware revisions, will make their old 4G capable devices run LTE. People don't think for themselves anymore. MSM8660 is not LTE-capable or 1X- Advanced/SVDO ready, but if BSOD said it, it's true. I guess I have to find the secret Sim Card later on today.

Don't be so quick to jump on the Lightsquared bandwagon. They will soon be shutdown by the FCC and FAA if they can't solve the bleed over problem. Seems their tech interferes with GPS and WAAS receivers making them a danger to aviation and air traffic control. During tests an aircraft within 15 miles of their towers have had total GPS failure. They've been working on it for a while but haven't been able to fix it. Now they are trying to blame the GPS manufacturers, but it is a spectrum issue and the FAA may force the FCC to block the spectrum if they can't solve their noise bleedover problem into the GPS spectrum.

TonyArmstrong said:
Interesting...
http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/03/08/another-rumor-lightsquared-sprint/
Looks like Sprint and LightSquared might be linking up to provide LTE over S's existing spectrum.
Meanwhile, in the same article, it seems that Clear is also looking at converting their towers to LTE base-stations, with the ability to deliver 90Mbps (in un-congested cells) downstream (the carrier in Japan that's getting the EVO said their WiMax network was going to deliver similar capability).
So, is it a done deal: Sprint to LTE (with some spectrum at 2.5GHz standardized around the world), with Clear's network augmenting and providing density?
Also interesting: Best Buy is buying wholesale access from LightSquared -
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/23/best-buy-signs-up-for-lightsquareds-wholesale-lte-service/
Looks like a very fast, and very LTE future for S. Anyone up for an EVO 5LTE?
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Doubt sprint moves fully to a LTE only network anytime in the near future.
Check out this video with the Clearwire CTO discussing the LTE trials.
http://www.lightreading.com/video.asp?doc_id=205968&
He clearly talks about how they are looking at doing both. He also says their trails will not be done for a few more months.
The good thing is the speed he reports being able to get is outstanding!

a couple points of clarification;
Re in-building penetration at 2.5 GHz. This is a major downside to using 2.5GHz frequencies, but part of the advantage to network vision is that Sprint will be able to use various technologies at different frequencies. So they'll be able to run WiMax and / or LTE at the 1.9 GHz frequencies that are currently used for CDMA / EVDO, and eventually even at the 800 MHz frequencies currently used by the iDEN network (current PTT users will need to be migrated to next-generation PTT on CDMA before that spectrum can be used for other technologies. The upside to 2.5 GHz is the amount of Bandwidth Sprint's got there. Prior to the Sprint / Nextel merger, each company had enough bandwidth on it's own to run a nationwide 4G network at 2.5GHz (Nextel even trialed a Flash-OFDM based network for a while in 2003/2004, but the technology wasn't ready yet and the real-world performance was not any faster than 3G).
Regarding bandwidth, Sprint / Clear has an average of 120 MHz of bandwidth at 2.5GHz, not 10 MHz. Some of that may be Sprint's and some may be Clears, but my understanding is that most of that is owned by Clear as that bandwidth constituted the bulk of Sprint's investment in Clear. Either company should be able make use of plenty of spectrum at 2.5 GHZ for whatever purposes they deem worthy, assuming they can work out their pricing arguments. Some articles that came out a couple of weeks ago (I think one was in the Wall Street Journal, among other financial sites) made it sound like they're close to hashing out some sort of agreement, and that Clear will have the cash it needs this spring. Can't happen soon enough if you ask me.
And lastly, there's no way Sprint would move to LTE exclusively. The new multi-modal towers make it very easy to deploy multiple technology side by side. Since the network format will be decoupled from network hardware, running a new network on the same tower is as easy as pushing a software update out to the tower. There's no need to uninstall the old technology to enable new technology. Sprint's got too many 4G customers already on board to make them all migrate to a new technology, and Hesse has publicly stated that Sprint's future in 4G will include WiMax regardless of whatever else may be offered.

cruise350 said:
Don't be so quick to jump on the Lightsquared bandwagon. They will soon be shutdown by the FCC and FAA if they can't solve the bleed over problem. Seems their tech interferes with GPS and WAAS receivers making them a danger to aviation and air traffic control. During tests an aircraft within 15 miles of their towers have had total GPS failure. They've been working on it for a while but haven't been able to fix it. Now they are trying to blame the GPS manufacturers, but it is a spectrum issue and the FAA may force the FCC to block the spectrum if they can't solve their noise bleedover problem into the GPS spectrum.
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Do you have any articles about the bleed over? I'd love to read more into this.

SilverStone641 said:
Do you have any articles about the bleed over? I'd love to read more into this.
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dude who do you get your internet service from to get that speed in your sig? I know PSINET went under long ago in '01 i think so speedtest is reporting the isp wront on the result there.

When should we expect 4g on Nextel frequencies?

Thoughts?
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Not until every single nextel contract is over at the very earliest.

There's never will. I work for sprint and the next thing for nextel is the door in 2013
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Not until every single nextel contract is over at the very earliest.
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Not necessarily. When ATT upgraded from edge to umts did they kick out all the edge users on umts frequencies, no. All they had to do was allocate enough of the spectrum to accommodate the edge users and move the rest to umts.
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I'm not sure if Nextel will ever get 4g. I do know for a fact Sprint is phasing out Nextel's network over the next 2-3 years and transferring their accounts to Sprint frequencies.
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IDEN is scheduled fror decommission over the next 3 years, why invest in the technology if its already scheduled to die.
Plus, I don't think IDEN technology was optimized enough to support advanced data speeds, that was never its reason of existance.....
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I think there is some confusion to the OPs topic. Sprint will be pushing the kill switch on Nextel/IDEN technologies of the next few years. IDEN is not intended for LTE or data at all. The OP is alluding to the fact that when IDEN is actually dead, there is a lot of free spectrum in Sprint's hands (Spectrum != Protocol) Spectrum that can be used for LTE Transmission. This has been speculated for a long time and 'Project Leap something or another' is supposed to put the theory into action.

The 800MHz frequencies will probably see CDMA on them within the next year. There is more than enough unused resources to allocate 5MHz of the 15MHz sprint has in the 800MHz area to use CDMA. Most areas as it is only use 5MHz worth of sprints 1900MHz spectrum. Since just about every sprint phone as it is roam verizons 800MHz, it's nothing more than sending out a new PRL to take advantage of this. I expect that once IDEN is gone, sprint will use 10MHz in the 800MHz to utilize LTE as well as their 2.5GHz. I'm willing to bet that Sprint will eventually switch to LTE entirely across all of their frequencies. LTE has very low latency and Sprint will continue to cater to business who rely on the sub-second speed of their current IDEN radio use.
LTE can utilize multiple frequencies simultaneously, which means that we, the end user, will benefit greatly. It will be no problem for someone to use a 10MHz block of 800MHz and 10MHz block of 1900MHz simultaneously. There are some very cool things coming in the next few years, and I'm glad sprint is getting on board early.
The benefit of lower frequencies is their ability for penetration, while the benefit of 2.5GHz is the fact that sprint has access to around 170MHz of total bandwidth. The network will be a combination of super high speeds for stationary home solutions while having excellent mobile coverage everywhere. Very cool things are coming.....I can't wait.

Lol....never....

Good Old Nextel was the Shiznit in its day now a 2G Dino , never will it see anything but scrapyard and like earlier posts suggest reuse its BW

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Lol....never....
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Never what? Sprint already said that 800 will be CDMA, and the new PTT CDMA devices drop in a few months. Hell, all their current IDEN users could use but 5MHz and still be covered.
It's inevitable that LTE will be the only choice in the future. CDMA, like IDEN, will eventually be a thing of the past. Cellular networks are gaining customers, but we're not gaining frequencies. As more people use the same frequencies, the switch to more efficient means of handling them must happen. Everything will eventually be IPv6 data only. The current GSM and CDMA will be replaced by newer protocols. Call quality will continue to increase as well. Hell, a lot of my calls are already QIK video chats.

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Never what? Sprint already said that 800 will be CDMA, and the new PTT CDMA devices drop in a few months. Hell, all their current IDEN users could use but 5MHz and still be covered.
It's inevitable that LTE will be the only choice in the future. CDMA, like IDEN, will eventually be a thing of the past. Cellular networks are gaining customers, but we're not gaining frequencies. As more people use the same frequencies, the switch to more efficient means of handling them must happen. Everything will eventually be IPv6 data only. The current GSM and CDMA will be replaced by newer protocols. Call quality will continue to increase as well. Hell, a lot of my calls are already QIK video chats.
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sucks, i dont want people to be seeing me when i make those calls lol. weird

Sprint to deploy 4G LTE network

Looks like Sprint's getting ready to deploy LTE. What does everyone think?
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/17/sprint-to-deploy-4g-lte-network-with-lightsquared/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-17/falcone-s-lightsquared-venture-reaches-a-15-year-network-deal-with-sprint.html

Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!

SilverStone641 said:
Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Yeah, thats what I'm worried about, I wish/hope its as easy as a change of a frequency channel.

I"m sure they will iron those wrinkles before flipping the switch.

It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.

Ok, so lets say they deploy this 4g lte network... what happens to their 4g wimax network? From what little I know about wimax and lte chipsets, I dont think it would be possible for a firmware upgrade to turn wimax to lte. What happens to clear? One important thing to remember is that I didnt actually read the article so these questions may already be answered. haha.
Although, if my evo became a 3g only device, I would actually be ok with that if they drop the $10 a month surcharge

ZachPA said:
It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
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Words straight out of my mouth.

is there a resource that lists open frequency ranges?

Could the new radio(SMR) thats in the evo 3d work on this frequency and be a dual wimax/lte combo?
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.

Cloyd said:
is there a resource that lists open frequency ranges?
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here is a chart..
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I assume any potential move to lte will address wimax's inferior latency?

Sprint end users will NOT use LTE most likely ever. Sprint (the provider service) will utilize LTE strickly for back haul only. This is a very good thing for us the end user, basically means to us that we will have lots of bandwidth on tap. Wimax offers up to 12MB d/l transport speeds which most of us probably never see anyway. I personally get 7-8 around Baltimore/Annapolis areas of Maryland and this will hopefully allows us to have the bandwidth assuming more towers are deployed for our cell connectivity. This is a very good thing for us and the sooner the better!

sounds like lte will come later on firat is evdo rev o then rev a then rev b then do then do advance then lte
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I have spoken to my sprint rep a lot about how Sprint works. He used to work for Samsung and distributed phones to carriers in the northeastern part of the united states. Because of this, he learned a lot about Sprint. One thing that he learned was that Sprint has the most bandwidth out of all the carriers, and it is one of the main reasons why theory data is truly unlimited.
Just throwing that out there.
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xHausx said:
"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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It talks about Sprint using LTE in the third paragraph of the Bloomberg article.
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”

Yet more money wasted on Wimax and shoveled into another bad relationship (Clearwire) Stay comfy in number 3 because you're going to be seated here a while, Sprint. At the very least they woke up and realized LTE is the way to go.
However even after Clearwire's long gone. Those who already have Wimax 4g will still be supported until after their devices are long gone. The only ones who will be bit will be the ones that should have upgraded lone ago. Like the ones today who are still carrying around Cingular phones refusing to upgrade to AT&T So at least Sprint will keep their core customers happy to an extent.

Sprint desperate to jump into the LTE iPhone train next year?
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What good is backhaul when the airwaves can't reach end users?
It's like having a download server capable of gigabit speed, along with an ISP who can deliver it to you. Except you're saddled with a 1991-vintage 10 Mbps ethernet card.
That's the problem I've been noticing with WiMAX. Sprint has one hell of a data network, but the airwaves used to deliver that network are congested and not well suited to the consumer's needs.

I wonder how likely it is that an upcoming Galaxy 2 or Photon 4G will be LTE / Wimax on Sprint...

Sprint Deploying LTE-Advanced in 2013

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?

xboxfanj said:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.

xboxfanj said:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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That's what you will get in the 800mhz band. With a 5x5 which is the best they can do, you should get 5mhz*(5bits/hz) = 25mbps for regular LTE then something better for LTE advanced. Just FYI, Speed = Bandwidth * Spectral efficiency (for regular lte 5 bits/hz). So they are prbably going to deploy regular LTE in the 1900mhz band in 10x10 (or 10mhz up / 10mhz down) which should give us a theoretical max speed of (10Mhz)*(5bits/hz)= 50 mbps.

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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling the Epic and the OTA is not the same handling the hardware network upgrades. I am sure they have more than 1 tech employee (although there are times it doesn't seem that way lol).
The Epic is such a tiny percentage of Sprint and am sure they could care less whether we get the OTA or not. I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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That's what you will get in the 800mhz band. With a 5x5 which is the best they can do, you should get 5mhz*(5bits/hz) = 25mbps for regular LTE then something better for LTE advanced. Just FYI, Speed = Bandwidth * Spectral efficiency (for regular lte 5 bits/hz). So they are prbably going to deploy regular LTE in the 1900mhz band in 10x10 (or 10mhz up / 10mhz down) which should give us a theoretical max speed of (10Mhz)*(5bits/hz)= 50 mbps.
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I'd suggest you look at the article. It says they will deploy LTE Advanced in a 10x10 configuration. Given LTE Advanced has spectral efficiency near 15 bitz/hz, it should have a theoretical max of 150mhz.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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Technically, Sprint doesn't even own, operate, or handle the towers that have WiMax - those are all owned by ClearWire, which has major financial issues, especially with Sprint cutting their losses on them.
ClearWire estimates it needs 150-300 million to maintain their current WiMax network, without even expanding or doing LTE. They estimate it will take 600 million to upgrade to LTE Advanced and start rolling out to more areas.

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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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I talked to Sprint about the fact that I've been told we would have 4 g in Phoenix over a year ago and still don't and was told we will not get it because Sprint is going LTE next year. And thats even if they put it here. So if you don't have 4g yet don't count in ever having it and just hope you actually get Or next year. In the mean time I dont pay premium data charges cause I don't get what I pay for. They credit me. It took a while but I got it done.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling the Epic and the OTA is not the same handling the hardware network upgrades. I am sure they have more than 1 tech employee (although there are times it doesn't seem that way lol).
The Epic is such a tiny percentage of Sprint and am sure they could care less whether we get the OTA or not. I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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Agreed, but Sprint does equal Nextel and having LTE on the 1900 Mhz band (in 2013 mind you) isn't going to increase the signal penetration any better then it is right now. If Sprint got their head out of the a$$ a few years ago and started phasing out the ~850 Mhz Nextel people and put LTE on that band, they'd be able equal to Verizon/AT&T right now instead of in last place with the crappy Q3 report that was just released (another $300 million in the hole). Clearwire stock is still sitting under $2 a share with the other pending issue of Lightsquared GPS issue for which their solution is still not approved by the FCC.
Even know the iPhone might help them somewhat in this quarter, I'm hearing that data on 3G is crawling in many places right now, I can't wait to see how this situation ends.
Sprint's long term future is on very shaking ground right now, IMO, it hurts them to keep choosing the wrong technology to back. Before it was Nextel, now it WiMax tomorrow it will be...
P.S. It also doesn't help them after all of their eff ups to not support their phones or adequately test them before release, the Epic is one big Cluster F...

I just want some 4G period. Sprint better be rolling out LTE to the markets that don't even have Wi-Max first. I live in the biggest metro area in the state, and don't have Wi-Max, meanwhile some of the Podunk towns elsewhere do. WTH. Verizon has already announced LTE will be up here next month.

I'm not a supporter of Sprint any more than the next guy. The only thing that keeps me around is the cheap price, quantity of minutes, and unlimited data. If any of those budges I would be gone.
Aside, I know Network Vision really is thrown around by a lot of people here (and maybe too much by some who don't have technical engineering backgrounds), but it's really a bold move by Sprint.
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.

MikeyLee said:
I talked to Sprint about the fact that I've been told we would have 4 g in Phoenix over a year ago and still don't and was told we will not get it because Sprint is going LTE next year. And thats even if they put it here. So if you don't have 4g yet don't count in ever having it and just hope you actually get Or next year. In the mean time I dont pay premium data charges cause I don't get what I pay for. They credit me. It took a while but I got it done.
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Tell me how you got out of the premium data fee? I have spent probably 15 minutes total time on 4g in almost a year of having this phone. My 3g speeds are crap as well
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I'm not a supporter of Sprint any more than the next guy. The only thing that keeps me around is the cheap price, quantity of minutes, and unlimited data. If any of those budges I would be gone.
Aside, I know Network Vision really is thrown around by a lot of people here (and maybe too much by some who don't have technical engineering backgrounds), but it's really a bold move by Sprint.
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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According to this and my attached screen shot:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/sprints-lte-plans-detailed-phones-tablets-and-modems-coming-b/
Sprint said that they will be adding LTE to the 1900 Mhz first, iDEN won't even begin to shutdown to the end of 2013, who knows how many months or years after they are off that band will they start to recycle the 850Mhz frequencies. Sprint didn't mention any of this at the Strategy Update event so it's not even official what they are doing with the 850Mhz range. They may end up selling it, to the highest bidder just to bail out Clearwire!
The software firmware change-out plan is cool if it works but they still have to get through supporting Clearwire, they need about 150-300 million dollars to stay afloat, no one else is footing that bill at the moment. If the FCC shoots down lightsquared proposed GPS fix, say goodbye to at least a portion of the 1500 Mhz spectrum.
Meanwhile more and more people are leaving Sprint, if they can't stabilize 3G for the iPhone users even more people are going to leave next year and what's the point of unlimited data if you can't access it. My Epic takes a good 2 to 3 minutes to populate my facebook feed via 3G with full bars, wifi takes a few seconds so it's not solely the phones problem.
I guess the bottom line is sure, Sprint has some plans in the future 2+ years down the line, at that point Sprint might be the carrier to beat, but they do have some GIGANTIC barriers to overcome first and the 2 big ones are Clearwire and 3G being stretched too thinly, the more iPhone users that pop up the more congested their network will become, it's a blessing and a curse that the iPhone doesn't have a Wimax radio onboard. It would have at the very least, lesson the congestion on the 3G bands...

jnadke said:
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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While Sprint is using Software Defined Radios, the idea of it being just a software upgrade to change things is a bit overstated. Potentially, future upgrades will also require a card swipe out as well, but still, a lot less upgrading will be needed in comparison to what they do now. If everything on that end was just software, why wouldn't they do Rev. B for their CDMA channels, as it would use the spectrum even more efficiently for the devices out there that already support it? Perhaps there is licensing to pay for using it?
Actually, the way they stated things at their Oct. 7th announcement, CDMA will be on 850mhz over time, and 1900mhz will be their LTE, although they'll eventually probably use both on both frequencies. Sprint holds more spectrum in the 1900mhz block than they do in the 850mhz (about 36mhz vs 14 mhz). Sprint needs both.

Network vision and the epic

So, according to sprint, once network vision is up the 800mhz nextel frequencies will be available for voice service. I believe the epic is 800mhz compatible, but I have not seen any increase in coverage yet. I work in a place with excellant Nextel signal, but crap for sprint coverage (I have two phones)... I am expecting that once the network vision is hot, the sprint signal should be about equal to the nextel signal (since it will be on the 800mhz frequency, from in theory the nextel tower that must be nearby).
I live in Houston and we are going to be one of the first cities with LTE turned on by next month, but I was wondering if sprint was waiting to turn on voice services on 800mhz until they activate the LTE services, or if they are doing a rolling upgrade for these services. Anybody know? Any way of seeing what frequency I'm connecting to via an application?

v8bait said:
So, according to sprint, once network vision is up the 800mhz nextel frequencies will be available for voice service. I believe the epic is 800mhz compatible, but I have not seen any increase in coverage yet. I work in a place with excellant Nextel signal, but crap for sprint coverage (I have two phones)... I am expecting that once the network vision is hot, the sprint signal should be about equal to the nextel signal (since it will be on the 800mhz frequency, from in theory the nextel tower that must be nearby).
I live in Houston and we are going to be one of the first cities with LTE turned on by next month, but I was wondering if sprint was waiting to turn on voice services on 800mhz until they activate the LTE services, or if they are doing a rolling upgrade for these services. Anybody know? Any way of seeing what frequency I'm connecting to via an application?
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Nothing will be used on 800mhz until 2013 or 2014 when the iDEN subscribers are off. Also, the epic does not have support for 800 mhz.
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Hmm, I think your info is outdated. There was a press release a few months ago that basically says there will be 10ish markets by june with full deployment, they kicked the iden guys to 900mhz and supposedly are putting voice on 800 now, lte later.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-51-network-vision-updates-from-dan-hesse/
I assumed the epic wasn't capatible with 800mhz, but a couple of sites had the specifications listed as cdma 800/1900, so I got my hopes up. Guess I'll find out by next month anyway.

Nice article I didn't see that info good to know. I would think our phone is capable of the voice on 800 mhz but not capable of voice over 1x (hd voice where you can talk and surf on 3g)

jbadboy2007 said:
Nice article I didn't see that info good to know. I would think our phone is capable of the voice on 800 mhz but not capable of voice over 1x (hd voice where you can talk and surf on 3g)
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The 800mhz band our phones use is strictly for roaming (vzw/uscc). It is the 850mhz Cellular band. Sprint's 800 MHz spectrum is SMR which is outside the Cellular band.
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lynyrd65 said:
The 800mhz band our phones use is strictly for roaming (vzw/uscc). It is the 850mhz Cellular band. Sprint's 800 MHz spectrum is SMR which is outside the Cellular band.
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Correct. The Epic will not use 800SMR. We also do not support 1xAdvanced on our phones either.
Also it is incorrect to say nothing will be on 800SMR until iden is gone. There are already sites with 1xA broadcasting on the 800SMR band and people with Evo3Ds have successfully connected and used the network signal.
One thing our phones will use is the increased signal in the PCS band due to the radios being moved behind the antennas instead of on the ground. Some say this is a 20% increase in signal over the old method. And of course your phone will use the increased backhaul to the tower.

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One thing our phones will use is the increased signal in the PCS band due to the radios being moved behind the antennas instead of on the ground. Some say this is a 20% increase in signal over the old method. And of course your phone will use the increased backhaul to the tower.
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*smh* This is one thing that just astonishes me, though I read it before. Why was this not done in the first place?

v8bait said:
Hmm, I think your info is outdated. There was a press release a few months ago that basically says there will be 10ish markets by june with full deployment, they kicked the iden guys to 900mhz and supposedly are putting voice on 800 now, lte later.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-51-network-vision-updates-from-dan-hesse/
I assumed the epic wasn't capatible with 800mhz, but a couple of sites had the specifications listed as cdma 800/1900, so I got my hopes up. Guess I'll find out by next month anyway.
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Been following this as well.............we're officially part of the first launch in my area, but only time will tell if LTE hits in June, or if cdma 800 is compatible...........hopefully we'll know in a month or so.
.........sent from today's android = 4.0.4

I'm waiting for LTE so when everyone upgrades to the LTE phones I will have all the 3G bandwidth to myself.
It will be like my Epic is new again

Thanks for the replies... looks like you are right, even though the phone is listed as 800/1900mhz CDMA it's actually the 850mhz band for verizon roaming. They need to call it something else, like 800SMR, or 820 or anything other than what they have been labeling phones with for the past 7 years imho.
Guess I'm upgrading after all as soon as I can to take advantage of the additional spectrum, the tower upgrades so far have helped a lot around town but not for my specific areas. Here's to a quick time to market for the Samsung Galaxy SIII Epic 4g LTE (Holy long name batman).
*edit* Found this site with a nice chart of all the bands at the bottom http://www.wpsantennas.com/cellular-frequency-information.aspx

DroidApprentice said:
*smh* This is one thing that just astonishes me, though I read it before. Why was this not done in the first place?
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The tech and engineering didn't exist. They are now small enough and light enough to go up there. There are some tower still were they cannot mount the radios behind the antennas though.
Look at the WISPs...they used to have their radios on the ground as well.

.......1 more article about LTE:
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...ew-lte-devices-from-accessing-live-lte-sites/
clearly, getting there............1 step at a time