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Not until every single nextel contract is over at the very earliest.
There's never will. I work for sprint and the next thing for nextel is the door in 2013
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Not until every single nextel contract is over at the very earliest.
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Not necessarily. When ATT upgraded from edge to umts did they kick out all the edge users on umts frequencies, no. All they had to do was allocate enough of the spectrum to accommodate the edge users and move the rest to umts.
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I'm not sure if Nextel will ever get 4g. I do know for a fact Sprint is phasing out Nextel's network over the next 2-3 years and transferring their accounts to Sprint frequencies.
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IDEN is scheduled fror decommission over the next 3 years, why invest in the technology if its already scheduled to die.
Plus, I don't think IDEN technology was optimized enough to support advanced data speeds, that was never its reason of existance.....
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I think there is some confusion to the OPs topic. Sprint will be pushing the kill switch on Nextel/IDEN technologies of the next few years. IDEN is not intended for LTE or data at all. The OP is alluding to the fact that when IDEN is actually dead, there is a lot of free spectrum in Sprint's hands (Spectrum != Protocol) Spectrum that can be used for LTE Transmission. This has been speculated for a long time and 'Project Leap something or another' is supposed to put the theory into action.
The 800MHz frequencies will probably see CDMA on them within the next year. There is more than enough unused resources to allocate 5MHz of the 15MHz sprint has in the 800MHz area to use CDMA. Most areas as it is only use 5MHz worth of sprints 1900MHz spectrum. Since just about every sprint phone as it is roam verizons 800MHz, it's nothing more than sending out a new PRL to take advantage of this. I expect that once IDEN is gone, sprint will use 10MHz in the 800MHz to utilize LTE as well as their 2.5GHz. I'm willing to bet that Sprint will eventually switch to LTE entirely across all of their frequencies. LTE has very low latency and Sprint will continue to cater to business who rely on the sub-second speed of their current IDEN radio use.
LTE can utilize multiple frequencies simultaneously, which means that we, the end user, will benefit greatly. It will be no problem for someone to use a 10MHz block of 800MHz and 10MHz block of 1900MHz simultaneously. There are some very cool things coming in the next few years, and I'm glad sprint is getting on board early.
The benefit of lower frequencies is their ability for penetration, while the benefit of 2.5GHz is the fact that sprint has access to around 170MHz of total bandwidth. The network will be a combination of super high speeds for stationary home solutions while having excellent mobile coverage everywhere. Very cool things are coming.....I can't wait.
Lol....never....
Good Old Nextel was the Shiznit in its day now a 2G Dino , never will it see anything but scrapyard and like earlier posts suggest reuse its BW
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Never what? Sprint already said that 800 will be CDMA, and the new PTT CDMA devices drop in a few months. Hell, all their current IDEN users could use but 5MHz and still be covered.
It's inevitable that LTE will be the only choice in the future. CDMA, like IDEN, will eventually be a thing of the past. Cellular networks are gaining customers, but we're not gaining frequencies. As more people use the same frequencies, the switch to more efficient means of handling them must happen. Everything will eventually be IPv6 data only. The current GSM and CDMA will be replaced by newer protocols. Call quality will continue to increase as well. Hell, a lot of my calls are already QIK video chats.
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Never what? Sprint already said that 800 will be CDMA, and the new PTT CDMA devices drop in a few months. Hell, all their current IDEN users could use but 5MHz and still be covered.
It's inevitable that LTE will be the only choice in the future. CDMA, like IDEN, will eventually be a thing of the past. Cellular networks are gaining customers, but we're not gaining frequencies. As more people use the same frequencies, the switch to more efficient means of handling them must happen. Everything will eventually be IPv6 data only. The current GSM and CDMA will be replaced by newer protocols. Call quality will continue to increase as well. Hell, a lot of my calls are already QIK video chats.
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sucks, i dont want people to be seeing me when i make those calls lol. weird
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Recently read that sprint will be phasing out the iden network by 2013 and Dan Hesse Admitted Wimax was a failure and is considering the switch to LTE.
Could a switch to LTE ruin our 4Gness on our beloved Evos or would they still work?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/clearwire_sprint_wimax/
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sprints-25-Billion-Network-Improvement-Plan-Hints-At-LTE-111703
Im just going out on a limb here but gonna throw my thoughts in on this . The phase out wont be till 2013 . With that being said most of us on the Evo will be well into a new phone by that time . General life span of phones (I said general) seems to be one year maybe two at most before someone jumps ship and gets another phone . I have also read that Wimax is an older technology that has been around for a while and the next logical jump would be LTE much like verizon is pushing . Now if for some reason you still have an Evo by the time the phase out is complete , I would suspect Sprint would either offer their customers an upgrade to work on the new network or atleast reduce the bills of the current evo owners still running an evo at that point . But from what I have seen and said in this post the likelyhood of any of us having the EVO in its current form by that time is very low . Its also possible the next gen of phones being released next year will start incorporating the LTE system (say for the sake of argument EVO2 LTE) to adjust to this change .
Wimax 2............ftw
Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Expect ptt over ip and not in the failed Qchat form. Most likely over 4G(wimax1,2 or LTE) data. Sprint has plenty option. They just have to play it right.
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Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
Sort of. It only takes a firmware update to switch.
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hmmmm...maybe wimax and lte along with cdma and gsm...world wide phone..anywhere. Maybe Sprint quad band phones with quad core cpus in next 5-10yrs? Quad band with quad core.."4x4" on 4G. ok..dream over...
Youd need a 12 volt battery too. lol
I read a while back that sprint chose WiMax as its "4g" provider because the infrastructure was already in place since clear had been launched. And that if LTE deemed a better route that the WiMax network could be patched relatively easily to run LTE. Im not worried about it. If sprint was the first company to have 4g im pretty sure they wont leave their current WiMax customers without high speed service if Wimax is pulled off the market. But remeber as well that the article specifies Iden which is nextel. Thats a conpletely different animal. Only time will tell.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
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Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Thats good the two technologies are that compatible, I didn't know they could be used like that. You're right about Sprint having the Spectrum for it too. My guess is they tried getting rid of IDEN a few years back to use that spectrum for 4G but couldn't because of all the people still using it. The higher frequency WiMax is at now is what's holding it back.
They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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That's the only problem. If sprint goes with wimax 2 well be alright though. Early adopters always the test dummys.
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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This is true until the G2 came out. That would be the only phone I would leave sprint for. I think the problem that came about with the Evo was it was rushed out for sprint. They could have cleaned up a bunch of problems before it even hit the street. **off soapbox**
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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As long as they don't switch frequencies, then they will need to transmitters as well. Although they could probably leave the infrastructure they already have in place and finish the rest of it on the other frequency.
No, what I mean was that LTE and WiMax are not intercompatible in themselves.
Im glad to see that they can switch between wimax and LTE easily. I did not know that. Hopefully all the companies will have a roaming agreement in place. Also, isnt the range of LTE further than Wimax or is it the other way around?
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
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By the time any switch happens, both the Evo and Epic will be very outdated. Not to many people will still have them. lol
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My best friend worked for sprint. Now works for AT&T. Wimax is not the problem. LTE is a different technology. What you have to understand is not the sofware but the signal. The Wimax from Sprint is running between 2.0 and 2.5 ghz. The problem with this is the structure penetration. 2.4ghz, if you remember is what older home cordless phones run on. Get to far away and, bam, no signal. Sprint could switch to the LTE format the the carrier frequency in the 2.0 to 2.5ghz spectrum will still not be able to penetrate structures well. My friend says the spectrum needs to be cleared up. vhf uhf tv. WTF. Get rid of them. You need to be at the 650mhz spectrum (his personal choice) so the the wavelength of the carrier wave will be able to penetrate building/structures. And pagers? Are you kidding me all phones double as a pager. Dump them. A doctor is going to get a page and use his cell phone to call in? waste of spectrum. So sprint needs to change the carrier frequency of wimax or lte (if it changes its mind) so that you can get your service indoors. The carrier frequency only is a delivery system(such as a semi truck delivering a tv). If you have a bad truck, tv does not get delivered. Know what I mean. All carriers need some free up of current spectrum so we can get some real penetration and better bars. I hate being a nerd. But WFT. Get a divorce and get an new life.
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Looks like Sprint's getting ready to deploy LTE. What does everyone think?
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/17/sprint-to-deploy-4g-lte-network-with-lightsquared/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-17/falcone-s-lightsquared-venture-reaches-a-15-year-network-deal-with-sprint.html
Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Yeah, thats what I'm worried about, I wish/hope its as easy as a change of a frequency channel.
I"m sure they will iron those wrinkles before flipping the switch.
It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
Ok, so lets say they deploy this 4g lte network... what happens to their 4g wimax network? From what little I know about wimax and lte chipsets, I dont think it would be possible for a firmware upgrade to turn wimax to lte. What happens to clear? One important thing to remember is that I didnt actually read the article so these questions may already be answered. haha.
Although, if my evo became a 3g only device, I would actually be ok with that if they drop the $10 a month surcharge
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It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
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Words straight out of my mouth.
is there a resource that lists open frequency ranges?
Could the new radio(SMR) thats in the evo 3d work on this frequency and be a dual wimax/lte combo?
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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here is a chart..
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf
I assume any potential move to lte will address wimax's inferior latency?
Sprint end users will NOT use LTE most likely ever. Sprint (the provider service) will utilize LTE strickly for back haul only. This is a very good thing for us the end user, basically means to us that we will have lots of bandwidth on tap. Wimax offers up to 12MB d/l transport speeds which most of us probably never see anyway. I personally get 7-8 around Baltimore/Annapolis areas of Maryland and this will hopefully allows us to have the bandwidth assuming more towers are deployed for our cell connectivity. This is a very good thing for us and the sooner the better!
sounds like lte will come later on firat is evdo rev o then rev a then rev b then do then do advance then lte
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I have spoken to my sprint rep a lot about how Sprint works. He used to work for Samsung and distributed phones to carriers in the northeastern part of the united states. Because of this, he learned a lot about Sprint. One thing that he learned was that Sprint has the most bandwidth out of all the carriers, and it is one of the main reasons why theory data is truly unlimited.
Just throwing that out there.
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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It talks about Sprint using LTE in the third paragraph of the Bloomberg article.
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”
Yet more money wasted on Wimax and shoveled into another bad relationship (Clearwire) Stay comfy in number 3 because you're going to be seated here a while, Sprint. At the very least they woke up and realized LTE is the way to go.
However even after Clearwire's long gone. Those who already have Wimax 4g will still be supported until after their devices are long gone. The only ones who will be bit will be the ones that should have upgraded lone ago. Like the ones today who are still carrying around Cingular phones refusing to upgrade to AT&T So at least Sprint will keep their core customers happy to an extent.
Sprint desperate to jump into the LTE iPhone train next year?
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What good is backhaul when the airwaves can't reach end users?
It's like having a download server capable of gigabit speed, along with an ISP who can deliver it to you. Except you're saddled with a 1991-vintage 10 Mbps ethernet card.
That's the problem I've been noticing with WiMAX. Sprint has one hell of a data network, but the airwaves used to deliver that network are congested and not well suited to the consumer's needs.
I wonder how likely it is that an upcoming Galaxy 2 or Photon 4G will be LTE / Wimax on Sprint...
Sprint has been doing everything in its power to earn customers lately, but this may be the thing that reels in the biggest fish: according to CNET, The Now Network will be announcing a 4-5 billion dollar LTE deal with LightSquared during its upcoming earnings call on July 28th. Sprint launched its WiMax network early-on with Clearwire, which proved to be a hole-in-one for the duo, but Clearwire has since slowed the growth of WiMax due to financial reasons.
Considering VZW's new LTE network has set the standard for 4G across the country, this is the obvious evolution for Sprint to take - and it's reported that it will drop the aforementioned $4-5 billion over the next three to five years on upgrading the network to LTE. The changeover is projected to save The Now Network an estimated $10-11 billion over a seven year period due to more efficient equipment.
LightSquared is an independent 4G LTE provider that's had a bit of trouble getting off the ground due to conflictions with GPS systems. This deal will take care of those issues, as it will allow LightSquared to work on the backbone of Sprint's network. The work is set to begin in the second half of the year (read: immediately), with testing beginning as early as next year.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/14/sprint-to-confirm-4g-lte-deal-during-upcoming-earnings-call-on-july-28th/
When they get their lte network up and running it will be much faster than verizon's. It would probably get about 90 megs down. Plus they would have more cap. than verizon with both lightsquared and clear. It might take a while to convert the current 2.5 mhz wimax to 2.5 mhz lte but would be worth the wait. Plus if they wanted they could use the old iDen 800mhz too. Sprint might be on to something with this move.... finally doing something right sprint
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http://connectedplanetonline.com/3g4g/news/cleawire-hints-at-lte-build-with-sprint-0505/index1.html
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Using the same frequency as wimax = fail
LTE speed + unlimited data + tether = bye bye roadrunner ISP.
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Using the same frequency as wimax = fail
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Well they could use the old iDen frequency. But then the current wimax phones could be transitioned to lte.
Boo using the same frequency, they mine as well stick with WiMAX. I'm really hoping their LTE is going to the 800MHz spectrum.
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Boo using the same frequency, they mine as well stick with WiMAX. I'm really hoping their LTE is going to the 800MHz spectrum.
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Their is always a chance that they could do both, Dual mode lte? but, i highly doubt it. I would like to see what frequency light squared is going to use.
there is a really good thread over at Sprintusers.com if you want to know a little more of this topic. you can follow it in the link provided.
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219837
I thought the plan was to gradually discontinue Nextel devices, then switch the iDen spectrum to LTE or Wimax.
The problem with Sprint's 4G right now is not whether it's LTE or Wimax, it's the 2.5 ghz frequency.
Switching to LTE but keeping the same spectrum will solve almost nothing.
Great, so at these rollout rates, most people will be seeing this in 2-5 years
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I thought the plan was to gradually discontinue Nextel devices, then switch the iDen spectrum to LTE or Wimax.
The problem with Sprint's 4G right now is not whether it's LTE or Wimax, it's the 2.5 ghz frequency.
Switching to LTE but keeping the same spectrum will solve almost nothing.
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CDMA 1X Advanced in the 800Mhz, Multimodal LTE/WiMax in all 3 frequencies. If this deal is official, they may add 1.6Ghz. (L-Band) Dish Network, SpectrumCo, and Cox may or may not be in talks with Sprint about a possible network sharing deal.
When they get their lte network up and running it will be much faster than verizon's. It would probably get about 90 megs down.
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The channels Clear used for the testing, was approved by the FCC in May. It was real life numbers being shown in the video, but that means nothing once the network is officially active with subscribers. The speeds I've witnessed in person were the fastest speeds out of the carriers, but it wasn't 90 megs down. It was doing HSPA++ speeds.
i have heard that the deal with lightsquad is only for revenue for sprint. sprint will lease out spectrum for lightsquad to use for their lte. sprint will not be using it.
$billions paid to sprint
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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That's what you will get in the 800mhz band. With a 5x5 which is the best they can do, you should get 5mhz*(5bits/hz) = 25mbps for regular LTE then something better for LTE advanced. Just FYI, Speed = Bandwidth * Spectral efficiency (for regular lte 5 bits/hz). So they are prbably going to deploy regular LTE in the 1900mhz band in 10x10 (or 10mhz up / 10mhz down) which should give us a theoretical max speed of (10Mhz)*(5bits/hz)= 50 mbps.
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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling the Epic and the OTA is not the same handling the hardware network upgrades. I am sure they have more than 1 tech employee (although there are times it doesn't seem that way lol).
The Epic is such a tiny percentage of Sprint and am sure they could care less whether we get the OTA or not. I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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That's what you will get in the 800mhz band. With a 5x5 which is the best they can do, you should get 5mhz*(5bits/hz) = 25mbps for regular LTE then something better for LTE advanced. Just FYI, Speed = Bandwidth * Spectral efficiency (for regular lte 5 bits/hz). So they are prbably going to deploy regular LTE in the 1900mhz band in 10x10 (or 10mhz up / 10mhz down) which should give us a theoretical max speed of (10Mhz)*(5bits/hz)= 50 mbps.
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I'd suggest you look at the article. It says they will deploy LTE Advanced in a 10x10 configuration. Given LTE Advanced has spectral efficiency near 15 bitz/hz, it should have a theoretical max of 150mhz.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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Technically, Sprint doesn't even own, operate, or handle the towers that have WiMax - those are all owned by ClearWire, which has major financial issues, especially with Sprint cutting their losses on them.
ClearWire estimates it needs 150-300 million to maintain their current WiMax network, without even expanding or doing LTE. They estimate it will take 600 million to upgrade to LTE Advanced and start rolling out to more areas.
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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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I talked to Sprint about the fact that I've been told we would have 4 g in Phoenix over a year ago and still don't and was told we will not get it because Sprint is going LTE next year. And thats even if they put it here. So if you don't have 4g yet don't count in ever having it and just hope you actually get Or next year. In the mean time I dont pay premium data charges cause I don't get what I pay for. They credit me. It took a while but I got it done.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling the Epic and the OTA is not the same handling the hardware network upgrades. I am sure they have more than 1 tech employee (although there are times it doesn't seem that way lol).
The Epic is such a tiny percentage of Sprint and am sure they could care less whether we get the OTA or not. I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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Agreed, but Sprint does equal Nextel and having LTE on the 1900 Mhz band (in 2013 mind you) isn't going to increase the signal penetration any better then it is right now. If Sprint got their head out of the a$$ a few years ago and started phasing out the ~850 Mhz Nextel people and put LTE on that band, they'd be able equal to Verizon/AT&T right now instead of in last place with the crappy Q3 report that was just released (another $300 million in the hole). Clearwire stock is still sitting under $2 a share with the other pending issue of Lightsquared GPS issue for which their solution is still not approved by the FCC.
Even know the iPhone might help them somewhat in this quarter, I'm hearing that data on 3G is crawling in many places right now, I can't wait to see how this situation ends.
Sprint's long term future is on very shaking ground right now, IMO, it hurts them to keep choosing the wrong technology to back. Before it was Nextel, now it WiMax tomorrow it will be...
P.S. It also doesn't help them after all of their eff ups to not support their phones or adequately test them before release, the Epic is one big Cluster F...
I just want some 4G period. Sprint better be rolling out LTE to the markets that don't even have Wi-Max first. I live in the biggest metro area in the state, and don't have Wi-Max, meanwhile some of the Podunk towns elsewhere do. WTH. Verizon has already announced LTE will be up here next month.
I'm not a supporter of Sprint any more than the next guy. The only thing that keeps me around is the cheap price, quantity of minutes, and unlimited data. If any of those budges I would be gone.
Aside, I know Network Vision really is thrown around by a lot of people here (and maybe too much by some who don't have technical engineering backgrounds), but it's really a bold move by Sprint.
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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I talked to Sprint about the fact that I've been told we would have 4 g in Phoenix over a year ago and still don't and was told we will not get it because Sprint is going LTE next year. And thats even if they put it here. So if you don't have 4g yet don't count in ever having it and just hope you actually get Or next year. In the mean time I dont pay premium data charges cause I don't get what I pay for. They credit me. It took a while but I got it done.
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Tell me how you got out of the premium data fee? I have spent probably 15 minutes total time on 4g in almost a year of having this phone. My 3g speeds are crap as well
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I'm not a supporter of Sprint any more than the next guy. The only thing that keeps me around is the cheap price, quantity of minutes, and unlimited data. If any of those budges I would be gone.
Aside, I know Network Vision really is thrown around by a lot of people here (and maybe too much by some who don't have technical engineering backgrounds), but it's really a bold move by Sprint.
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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According to this and my attached screen shot:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/sprints-lte-plans-detailed-phones-tablets-and-modems-coming-b/
Sprint said that they will be adding LTE to the 1900 Mhz first, iDEN won't even begin to shutdown to the end of 2013, who knows how many months or years after they are off that band will they start to recycle the 850Mhz frequencies. Sprint didn't mention any of this at the Strategy Update event so it's not even official what they are doing with the 850Mhz range. They may end up selling it, to the highest bidder just to bail out Clearwire!
The software firmware change-out plan is cool if it works but they still have to get through supporting Clearwire, they need about 150-300 million dollars to stay afloat, no one else is footing that bill at the moment. If the FCC shoots down lightsquared proposed GPS fix, say goodbye to at least a portion of the 1500 Mhz spectrum.
Meanwhile more and more people are leaving Sprint, if they can't stabilize 3G for the iPhone users even more people are going to leave next year and what's the point of unlimited data if you can't access it. My Epic takes a good 2 to 3 minutes to populate my facebook feed via 3G with full bars, wifi takes a few seconds so it's not solely the phones problem.
I guess the bottom line is sure, Sprint has some plans in the future 2+ years down the line, at that point Sprint might be the carrier to beat, but they do have some GIGANTIC barriers to overcome first and the 2 big ones are Clearwire and 3G being stretched too thinly, the more iPhone users that pop up the more congested their network will become, it's a blessing and a curse that the iPhone doesn't have a Wimax radio onboard. It would have at the very least, lesson the congestion on the 3G bands...
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They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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While Sprint is using Software Defined Radios, the idea of it being just a software upgrade to change things is a bit overstated. Potentially, future upgrades will also require a card swipe out as well, but still, a lot less upgrading will be needed in comparison to what they do now. If everything on that end was just software, why wouldn't they do Rev. B for their CDMA channels, as it would use the spectrum even more efficiently for the devices out there that already support it? Perhaps there is licensing to pay for using it?
Actually, the way they stated things at their Oct. 7th announcement, CDMA will be on 850mhz over time, and 1900mhz will be their LTE, although they'll eventually probably use both on both frequencies. Sprint holds more spectrum in the 1900mhz block than they do in the 850mhz (about 36mhz vs 14 mhz). Sprint needs both.
So, according to sprint, once network vision is up the 800mhz nextel frequencies will be available for voice service. I believe the epic is 800mhz compatible, but I have not seen any increase in coverage yet. I work in a place with excellant Nextel signal, but crap for sprint coverage (I have two phones)... I am expecting that once the network vision is hot, the sprint signal should be about equal to the nextel signal (since it will be on the 800mhz frequency, from in theory the nextel tower that must be nearby).
I live in Houston and we are going to be one of the first cities with LTE turned on by next month, but I was wondering if sprint was waiting to turn on voice services on 800mhz until they activate the LTE services, or if they are doing a rolling upgrade for these services. Anybody know? Any way of seeing what frequency I'm connecting to via an application?
v8bait said:
So, according to sprint, once network vision is up the 800mhz nextel frequencies will be available for voice service. I believe the epic is 800mhz compatible, but I have not seen any increase in coverage yet. I work in a place with excellant Nextel signal, but crap for sprint coverage (I have two phones)... I am expecting that once the network vision is hot, the sprint signal should be about equal to the nextel signal (since it will be on the 800mhz frequency, from in theory the nextel tower that must be nearby).
I live in Houston and we are going to be one of the first cities with LTE turned on by next month, but I was wondering if sprint was waiting to turn on voice services on 800mhz until they activate the LTE services, or if they are doing a rolling upgrade for these services. Anybody know? Any way of seeing what frequency I'm connecting to via an application?
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Nothing will be used on 800mhz until 2013 or 2014 when the iDEN subscribers are off. Also, the epic does not have support for 800 mhz.
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Hmm, I think your info is outdated. There was a press release a few months ago that basically says there will be 10ish markets by june with full deployment, they kicked the iden guys to 900mhz and supposedly are putting voice on 800 now, lte later.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-51-network-vision-updates-from-dan-hesse/
I assumed the epic wasn't capatible with 800mhz, but a couple of sites had the specifications listed as cdma 800/1900, so I got my hopes up. Guess I'll find out by next month anyway.
Nice article I didn't see that info good to know. I would think our phone is capable of the voice on 800 mhz but not capable of voice over 1x (hd voice where you can talk and surf on 3g)
jbadboy2007 said:
Nice article I didn't see that info good to know. I would think our phone is capable of the voice on 800 mhz but not capable of voice over 1x (hd voice where you can talk and surf on 3g)
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The 800mhz band our phones use is strictly for roaming (vzw/uscc). It is the 850mhz Cellular band. Sprint's 800 MHz spectrum is SMR which is outside the Cellular band.
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lynyrd65 said:
The 800mhz band our phones use is strictly for roaming (vzw/uscc). It is the 850mhz Cellular band. Sprint's 800 MHz spectrum is SMR which is outside the Cellular band.
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Correct. The Epic will not use 800SMR. We also do not support 1xAdvanced on our phones either.
Also it is incorrect to say nothing will be on 800SMR until iden is gone. There are already sites with 1xA broadcasting on the 800SMR band and people with Evo3Ds have successfully connected and used the network signal.
One thing our phones will use is the increased signal in the PCS band due to the radios being moved behind the antennas instead of on the ground. Some say this is a 20% increase in signal over the old method. And of course your phone will use the increased backhaul to the tower.
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One thing our phones will use is the increased signal in the PCS band due to the radios being moved behind the antennas instead of on the ground. Some say this is a 20% increase in signal over the old method. And of course your phone will use the increased backhaul to the tower.
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*smh* This is one thing that just astonishes me, though I read it before. Why was this not done in the first place?
v8bait said:
Hmm, I think your info is outdated. There was a press release a few months ago that basically says there will be 10ish markets by june with full deployment, they kicked the iden guys to 900mhz and supposedly are putting voice on 800 now, lte later.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-51-network-vision-updates-from-dan-hesse/
I assumed the epic wasn't capatible with 800mhz, but a couple of sites had the specifications listed as cdma 800/1900, so I got my hopes up. Guess I'll find out by next month anyway.
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Been following this as well.............we're officially part of the first launch in my area, but only time will tell if LTE hits in June, or if cdma 800 is compatible...........hopefully we'll know in a month or so.
.........sent from today's android = 4.0.4
I'm waiting for LTE so when everyone upgrades to the LTE phones I will have all the 3G bandwidth to myself.
It will be like my Epic is new again
Thanks for the replies... looks like you are right, even though the phone is listed as 800/1900mhz CDMA it's actually the 850mhz band for verizon roaming. They need to call it something else, like 800SMR, or 820 or anything other than what they have been labeling phones with for the past 7 years imho.
Guess I'm upgrading after all as soon as I can to take advantage of the additional spectrum, the tower upgrades so far have helped a lot around town but not for my specific areas. Here's to a quick time to market for the Samsung Galaxy SIII Epic 4g LTE (Holy long name batman).
*edit* Found this site with a nice chart of all the bands at the bottom http://www.wpsantennas.com/cellular-frequency-information.aspx
DroidApprentice said:
*smh* This is one thing that just astonishes me, though I read it before. Why was this not done in the first place?
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The tech and engineering didn't exist. They are now small enough and light enough to go up there. There are some tower still were they cannot mount the radios behind the antennas though.
Look at the WISPs...they used to have their radios on the ground as well.
.......1 more article about LTE:
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...ew-lte-devices-from-accessing-live-lte-sites/
clearly, getting there............1 step at a time