1. Search before posting.. please for the love of all our goofy gods USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION.
2. We are all knowing and mass informed! There is a 99.99999% chance some one has already posted info that is no less than 20 seconds old.
"look how old the news you are posting is"
3. The question you are about to start a entire thread about in the wrong section already exists, i repeat! The question you are about to start a entire thread about in the wrong section already exists.
4. You are not special.. ever.. you are part of the all singing, all dancing cirrus.
5. Don't ever troll! WE HATE IT and BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO DARE TROLL.
6. Don't ever say anything without being 99999999% sure of it.
7. This is XDA have fun but have respect.
8. You are allowed a opinion.. I hope you have facts to back it up.
9. If your new here... Click here or please lurk more.
10. LURK you must lurk before posting.. that will help eliminate most of these issue's as you quickly will become aware that See number 4.
because i am a rebel who tries to use constructive critisism...and defend n00bs as well as those who face problems with a short amount of time(its our phone and we need it working now!) I will be the rival to the moderator in training.
You're lingo is so serious but gentle. Like me.
1. Search before posting.. please for the love of all our goofy gods USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION.
I've learned this from several jobs, school, and marketing. When people see more post counts, or a post from an older date, people are less likely to get a response. Along with this, some searches are very vague and just never get the answers we were looking for. I can google almost anything and find what I want to find. My girlfriend, my mother, heck my boss seem like idiots to me when I see how they keyword what they want, and don't get results. And for the people who do find what they want, probably dont find exactly what they want.
But point is, yes, step one, is always use search. if you don't. someones going to ignore your question and tell you "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION."
2. We are all knowing and mass informed! There is a 99.99999% chance some one has already posted info that is no less than 20 seconds old.
the numbers are inaccurate. It's a 87.896% chance, and the news is generally 2-5 hours old.
3. The question you are about to start a entire thread about in the wrong section already exists, i repeat! The question you are about to start a entire thread about in the wrong section already exists.
who are you talking to? too broad...and what if...it didn't exist. like batman?
4. You are not special.. ever.. you are part of the all singing, all dancing cirrus.
Now that just ain't nice.
5. Don't ever troll! WE HATE IT and BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO DARE TROLL.
1. No...bad things don't always happen. Depends on how good the troll is. Some would believe i am trolling you...as I could see it, you are trolling all of us.
6. Don't ever say anything without being 99999999% sure of it.
At this point, i think i've decided you are the x10's headmaster... i once knew a guy who was from germany...
7. This is XDA have fun but have respect.
I was trying too, until you told me/..us...that we aren't special....
8. You are allowed a opinion.. I hope you have facts to back it up.
thank you. I am glad i am allowed an opinion. I think thats a great guideline
9. If your new here... Click here or please lurk more.
you're
10. LURK you must lurk before posting.. that will help eliminate most of these issue's as you quickly will become aware that See number 4.
i lurk more than i use to smoke cigarette.
idk what just happened. help me
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I am so inspired to write my next song about you Omega Red.
Ugh. Don't forget rule number 1... Use the search function. There is already a sticky on this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769191
Stop!! before it's too late and we've destroyed everything
hehe it's the name of a song, sorry it was random, but that was what came to my mind when I saw this thread & that other "stop!!..." thread
by the way, something else from that song:
You cannot stop what never ends
You cannot stop what never ends
You cannot stop what never ends
...
so ...
because i am a rebel who tries to use constructive critisism...and defend n00bs as well as those who face problems with a short amount of time(its our phone and we need it working now!) I will be the rival to the moderator in training.
You're lingo is so serious but gentle. Like me
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Thank you
1. I've learned this from several jobs, school, and marketing. When people see more post counts, or a post from an older date, people are less likely to get a response. Along with this, some searches are very vague and just never get the answers we were looking for. I can google almost anything and find what I want to find. My girlfriend, my mother, heck my boss seem like idiots to me when I see how they keyword what they want, and don't get results. And for the people who do find what they want, probably dont find exactly what they want.
But point is, yes, step one, is always use search. if you don't. someones going to ignore your question and tell you "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION."
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please do
2. the numbers are inaccurate. It's a 87.896% chance, and the news is generally 2-5 hours old.
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Nothing more than me exaggerating.
3. who are you talking to? too broad...and what if...it didn't exist. like batman?
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It does not matter who.. if it does not exist.. it divides by 0. then there for it is null.
All posts are a repost of a repost.
4. Now that just ain't nice.
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Actually it's very nice.. go watch fight club. absorb the message from that movie.
5. No...bad things don't always happen. Depends on how good the troll is. Some would believe i am trolling you...as I could see it, you are trolling all of us.
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Fair enough i never said always.
6. At this point, i think i've decided you are the x10's headmaster... i once knew a guy who was from germany...
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I am just part of the all singing, all dancing circus.
Odd how you feel that way.
7. I was trying too, until you told me/..us...that we aren't special....
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Seriously.. that movie.. watch it.
8. thank you. I am glad i am allowed an opinion. I think thats a great guideline
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that's
you are welcome
9. you're
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oops
10. i lurk more than i use to smoke cigarette.
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Grammar nazi's are overrated, please don't.
idk what just happened. help me
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I am so inspired to write my next song about you Omega Red.
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Surprising since me and you had a very shaky start.
Shakes Windst hand.
Sorry if some of my responses seem heavy and literal.
Windst said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769191
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I know.. it's right there!!! right THERE!!!
and not one single person ever notices or takes the message.
because i am a rebel who tries to use constructive critisism...and defend n00bs as well as those who face problems with a short amount of time(its our phone and we need it working now!) I will be the rival to the moderator in training.
You're lingo is so serious but gentle. Like me
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Thank you
your welcome
1. I've learned this from several jobs, school, and marketing. When people see more post counts, or a post from an older date, people are less likely to get a response. Along with this, some searches are very vague and just never get the answers we were looking for. I can google almost anything and find what I want to find. My girlfriend, my mother, heck my boss seem like idiots to me when I see how they keyword what they want, and don't get results. And for the people who do find what they want, probably dont find exactly what they want.
But point is, yes, step one, is always use search. if you don't. someones going to ignore your question and tell you "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION."
please do
always will
2. the numbers are inaccurate. It's a 87.896% chance, and the news is generally 2-5 hours old.
Nothing more than me exaggerating.
i'm being an asshole
3. who are you talking to? too broad...and what if...it didn't exist. like batman?
It does not matter who.. if it does not exist.. it divides by 0. then there for it is null.
All posts are a repost of a repost.
4. Now that just ain't nice.
Actually it's very nice.. go watch fight club. absorb the message from that movie.
you obviously got the wrong message from that movie
5. No...bad things don't always happen. Depends on how good the troll is. Some would believe i am trolling you...as I could see it, you are trolling all of us.
Fair enough i never said always.
you just did
6. At this point, i think i've decided you are the x10's headmaster... i once knew a guy who was from germany...
I am just part of the all singing, all dancing circus.
Odd how you feel that way.
Odd how you feel you need to take authority. I give you the nod
7. I was trying too, until you told me/..us...that we aren't special....
Seriously.. that movie.. watch it.
You seem to really rely on Fight Club. Already seen it.
8. thank you. I am glad i am allowed an opinion. I think thats a great guideline
that's
you are welcome
uh
9. you're
oops
lol
10. i lurk more than i use to smoke cigarette.
used
+1
Grammar nazi's are overrated, please don't.
Do you know what a Nazi is?
idk what just happened. help me
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I am so inspired to write my next song about you Omega Red.
Surprising since me and you had a very shaky start.
Shakes Windst hand.
Sorry if some of my responses seem heavy and literal.
It's a batman...joker type relationship ya know... speaking of. 3rd trailers leaked.
Windst said:
because i am a rebel who tries to use constructive critisism...and defend n00bs as well as those who face problems with a short amount of time(its our phone and we need it working now!) I will be the rival to the moderator in training.
You're lingo is so serious but gentle. Like me
.
Thank you
your welcome
1. I've learned this from several jobs, school, and marketing. When people see more post counts, or a post from an older date, people are less likely to get a response. Along with this, some searches are very vague and just never get the answers we were looking for. I can google almost anything and find what I want to find. My girlfriend, my mother, heck my boss seem like idiots to me when I see how they keyword what they want, and don't get results. And for the people who do find what they want, probably dont find exactly what they want.
But point is, yes, step one, is always use search. if you don't. someones going to ignore your question and tell you "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION."
please do
always will
2. the numbers are inaccurate. It's a 87.896% chance, and the news is generally 2-5 hours old.
Nothing more than me exaggerating.
i'm being an asshole
3. who are you talking to? too broad...and what if...it didn't exist. like batman?
It does not matter who.. if it does not exist.. it divides by 0. then there for it is null.
All posts are a repost of a repost.
4. Now that just ain't nice.
Actually it's very nice.. go watch fight club. absorb the message from that movie.
you obviously got the wrong message from that movie
5. No...bad things don't always happen. Depends on how good the troll is. Some would believe i am trolling you...as I could see it, you are trolling all of us.
Fair enough i never said always.
you just did
6. At this point, i think i've decided you are the x10's headmaster... i once knew a guy who was from germany...
I am just part of the all singing, all dancing circus.
Odd how you feel that way.
Odd how you feel you need to take authority. I give you the nod
7. I was trying too, until you told me/..us...that we aren't special....
Seriously.. that movie.. watch it.
You seem to really rely on Fight Club. Already seen it.
8. thank you. I am glad i am allowed an opinion. I think thats a great guideline
that's
you are welcome
uh
9. you're
oops
lol
10. i lurk more than i use to smoke cigarette.
used
+1
Grammar nazi's are overrated, please don't.
Do you know what a Nazi is?
idk what just happened. help me
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I am so inspired to write my next song about you Omega Red.
Surprising since me and you had a very shaky start.
Shakes Windst hand.
Sorry if some of my responses seem heavy and literal.
It's a batman...joker type relationship ya know... speaking of. 3rd trailers leaked.
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Haha... thanks for the lulz.
OmegaRED^. I suggest you take a nice long vacation till the gingerbread update comes. You would be doing yourself (and us) a favour by doing so.
Dont know whats worse....
Starting thread about question thats already been asked
Or
Starting a bullsh!t pointless thread like this one.
Sent using 8 fingers and 4 toes. Multi touch rocks
bra1n0uk said:
Dont know whats worse....
Starting thread about question thats already been asked
Or
Starting a bullsh!t pointless thread like this one.
Sent using 8 fingers and 4 toes. Multi touch rocks
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Not as bad as having a attitude like this
Uhm, Omega, you should lurk self. This has been already posted.
Now serious, this one is much clear than all those other threads with meters of text! Nice!
PlayGunsta said:
Uhm, Omega, you should lurk self. This has been already posted.
Now serious, this one is much clear than all those other threads with meters of text! Nice!
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If anyone gets confused about this..
4. You are not special.. ever.. you are part of the all singing, all dancing cirrus.
Please let me explain.
We see it all
We do it all.
We can do anything.
We do not forget.
We are prepared
Our words are final.
Our thoughts are adjusted.
We are the all singing, all dancing cirrus.
And no i am not affiliated with any hacking group or terrorist team.
o_o how long is one a "noob" for... just a thought.
@omega; generally i love your stuff, you're a great voice for the enlightened ones - an intermediary.
I feel you sat on the thin line with this post. Example; a new user just happens to read this before the sticky in any forum/sub-forum, then this message would perhaps be more useful than any other instructions they might have read first - they would perhaps feel irritated by the (albeit jovial) condescending tone. I for one have read a few of your posts - so i am familiar with your charming and sarcastic personality!
On the other hand, they have read the rules already, and do search first etc etc etc..
In this instance, this thread becomes an ironic hypocrisy, where it appears that the "rules" that are often beaten about our newbie heads by mods/senior members - dont appear to apply to them....
~#just sayin
NB. if this thread HAPPENS to be the first you have ever read here at jolly old xda, i assure you that you are in fact welcome here, but, as i am sure you have gathered by now, read the rules first and obey. or thou shalst surley be (verbally) slain. any questions??
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o_o how long is one a "noob" for... just a thought.
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Some people stay noob. f.e. fiscidtox.
[email protected] said:
o_o how long is one a "noob" for... just a thought.
@omega; generally i love your stuff, you're a great voice for the enlightened ones - an intermediary.
I feel you sat on the thin line with this post. Example; a new user just happens to read this before the sticky in any forum/sub-forum, then this message would perhaps be more useful than any other instructions they might have read first - they would perhaps feel irritated by the (albeit jovial) condescending tone. I for one have read a few of your posts - so i am familiar with your charming and sarcastic personality!
On the other hand, they have read the rules already, and do search first etc etc etc..
In this instance, this thread becomes an ironic hypocrisy, where it appears that the "rules" that are often beaten about our newbie heads by mods/senior members - dont appear to apply to them....
~#just sayin
NB. if this thread HAPPENS to be the first you have ever read here at jolly old xda, i assure you that you are in fact welcome here, but, as i am sure you have gathered by now, read the rules first and obey. or thou shalt surely be (verbally) slain. any questions??
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Thank you for understanding.
It's true i am walking the fine line between insanity and enlightenment.
But i figured we could all read this.
Some will feel offended others will feel enlightened.
It's not what you are reading but how you interpret it.
I also just plainly had fun writing it.
Understand clearly, you are all welcome
This was not a method to slander noobs or to act like i am some 1337is't.
But why are you starting a thread with info that's already been posted and stickied? Rule number 1!!
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But why are you starting a thread with info that's already been posted and stickied? Rule number 1!!
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I am aware of this and the problem is.. awareness.
I used this thread to rant.
The mods may delete it.
My point has been made.
PEOPLE please pay attention. << this was my point as very few seem to read the rules or follow the guidelines.
The point is pointless as many have been ignoring the rules.
I am not saying we should ignore noobs.. help them but also inform them.
One forum i was part of tried using a gestapo attitude to this issue.
It was a complete mess.
It was only due to my efforts and love for that forum that it started to shape up and become a true medium for communication and development.
"I was not a mod, merely a outsider that solidly stood for the right thing."
This is why i make these comments, this is why i rant, this is why i expose myself to harassment and mental torture.. it's not just for me.. but for you.
I stand for all that is good!
My dark sense of humor serves that purpose.
But enough about me.. i am not what is important.
The x10 is and SE's delivery on the product is the true issue at hand.
Whenever i use the search tool and for example i search for launcherpro all i see is roms and stupid crap so i just dont use the search tool 95% the results are roms --
Sent From My X10!
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What's it customized to do?
thread; the new pm
this ain't twitter
lock this please....
wow I thought this might be relevant to other people's interests. If you don't like the thread don't click on it.
you're not junior mods that get threads locked at your request so gtfo.
LOl Hilarious
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wow I thought this might be relevant to other people's interests. If you don't like the thread don't click on it.
you're not junior mods that get threads locked at your request so gtfo.
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not junior mods, not claiming to be... this isn't YOUR forum as much as it's not mine or anyone elses... and it is EXPECIALLY not your personal pm. If he responded then maybe you can put something of relevence here,
not a topic asking a specific person a specific question :facepalm:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622916
make your own kernel
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not junior mods, not claiming to be... this isn't YOUR forum as much as it's not mine or anyone elses... and it is EXPECIALLY not your personal pm. If he responded then maybe you can put something of relevence here,
not a topic asking a specific person a specific question :facepalm:
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facepalm yourself, there's nothing wrong with asking a specific person a question in a topic. You obviously don't care for the thread and you have nothing to add to it so stop posting in it just to thread crap.
david279 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622916
make your own kernel
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Thanks, I already know how to do that though. This thread was started to ask if kkruse might share with us what he did since it might be useful to incorporate into our own kernels.
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facepalm yourself, there's nothing wrong with asking a specific person a question in a topic. You obviously don't care for the thread and you have nothing to add to it so stop posting in it just to thread crap.
Thanks, I already know how to do that though.
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You're just a damn moron, so I forgive you and I'll break it down like barney... (he's a big purple stuffed dinosaur geared for 5 year olds fyi)
I see the point you would be getting at in this topic, in fact, very interested in what it *could* potentially be about... hence why I clicked on it... but found absolutely nothing of importance inside.
I want my 5 seconds of my life back please.... they add up reading crap like this. And the 5 minutes explaining that to you... I accept visa or mastercard
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You're just a damn moron, so I forgive you and I'll break it down like barney... (he's a big purple stuffed dinosaur geared for 5 year olds fyi)
I see the point you would be getting at in this topic, in fact, very interested in what it *could* potentially be about... hence why I clicked on it... but found absolutely nothing of importance inside.
I want my 5 seconds of my life back please.... they add up reading crap like this. And the 5 minutes explaining that to you... I accept visa or mastercard
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I'm not going to pay the time you wasted trying to bully me into doing things your way. Sorry you choose to see that as moronic.
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You're just a damn moron, so I forgive you and I'll break it down like barney... (he's a big purple stuffed dinosaur geared for 5 year olds fyi)
I see the point you would be getting at in this topic, in fact, very interested in what it *could* potentially be about... hence why I clicked on it... but found absolutely nothing of importance inside.
I want my 5 seconds of my life back please.... they add up reading crap like this. And the 5 minutes explaining that to you... I accept visa or mastercard
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Wow... The pot calling the kettle black... You are just as retarded.. You're arguing like a little *****.. Shut your mouth... Leave the guy alone. If you don't like the thread, forget it exists..
It is not yours, nor anyone else's to say anything.. A forum is made to voice any concerns whatsoever that the users feel necessary... For you to reply as aggressively as you did, doesn't make your forum rep jump up, you actually just end up making yourself look like a bigger **** than we all already think you are...
Every time I see one of your posts, I wish you would just leave the community...
Maybe its below your asshole tolerance level, but he has every right to post whatever he wants. Go troll somewhere else.
Now, back to the original topic OP.....
^ heard that..what rom is this kat running with the kernal darch's 2.1?
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not junior mods, not claiming to be... this isn't YOUR forum as much as it's not mine or anyone elses... and it is EXPECIALLY not your personal pm. If he responded then maybe you can put something of relevence here,
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It's 'ESPECIALLY'. There's no X in that word. Also 'relevance' not 'relevence'. I'm certain I'm missing one or two there, but this was just a quick glance. Since you seem to be all over propriety, I suggest learning to spell before criticizing others.
I like these forums, but GOD I'm getting sick of the self proclaimed topic police around here. The guy asked a legitimate question. There was no reason to jump all over him for it.
LUL
LUL
this is funny
I am not here to agree with johnson's approach to this thread but I have to agree that this thread should not have been created in such forum. PM's are exactly how you communicate with other members and if after PMing said Member, he received info that he felt relevant to the forum, then he should post it. Just starting a thread to ask someone something like that is just a little much.
Loud noises!!!!
I am just tired of threads like this... then people backing up the justification of it being there.... then people going after the ones that get on the ones that post stupid sh*t like this....
I've been reading xda for a very long time and it just goes on and on and on, but this particular handheld seems to attract a butt load of self richous know nothings... and not noobs.. but know nothings... the retard to technical person ratio is just totally f*cked currently, makes me want to go back to hacking winmo phones or something, at least there the idiots let you know they were idiots up front.
and I don't give a big flying f if I can spell or not.. that is the weakest type of argument ever... you obvioulsy know what I'm saying... so I don't really care if you correct me or leave it be, it makes you sound as pompous as you are suggesting I am is all.
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@azyouthinkeyeiz I can be the biggest asshole on the face of the planet if I want... I can care less if you or anyone else likes me or not, a knowledgeable person is a knowledgeable person. My job and/or goal here isn't to make friends, it's to learn and to share knowledge. I can dish out whatever info I see fit however I see fit, you don't like it... tough sh*t
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Loud noises!!!!
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I love lamp.
johnsongrantr said:
I am just tired of threads like this... then people backing up the justification of it being there.... then people going after the ones that get on the ones that post stupid sh*t like this....
I've been reading xda for a very long time and it just goes on and on and on, but this particular handheld seems to attract a butt load of self richous know nothings... and not noobs.. but know nothings... the retard to technical person ratio is just totally f*cked currently, makes me want to go back to hacking winmo phones or something, at least there the idiots let you know they were idiots up front.
and I don't give a big flying f if I can spell or not.. that is the weakest type of argument ever... you obvioulsy know what I'm saying... so I don't really care if you correct me or leave it be, it makes you sound as pompous as you are suggesting I am is all.
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@azyouthinkeyeiz I can be the biggest asshole on the face of the planet if I want... I can care less if you or anyone else likes me or not, a knowledgeable person is a knowledgeable person. My job and/or goal here isn't to make friends, it's to learn and to share knowledge. I can dish out whatever info I see fit however I see fit, you don't like it... tough sh*t
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How ironic that you tried to paint me as the 5 year old in the equation.
I'm here for the same thing, the sharing and development of knowledge surrounding this phone, and this thread as it was started (don't think the same could be said now) met that end in a direct manner.
The only one acting self-righteous though is you.
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The only one acting self-righteous though is you.
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given... but at least I know my sh*t
Is it possible? Theunlockr gives a link to download 1.29 but since so many on here are trying to root 2.1 I'm guessing it's not possible.
No. Not possible. Done. Mods close thread.
chadt said:
Is it possible? Theunlockr gives a link to download 1.29 but since so many on here are trying to root 2.1 I'm guessing it's not possible.
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Not possible. You will get an error that says something to the tune of image is older and the RUU will abort.
Thanks guys
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No. Not possible. Done. Mods close thread.
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The OP wasn't asking anything out of the ordinary. Giving attitude, flaming, and trolling will take things nowhere, particularly not from our stand point. Please consider not posting like this anymore since you are breaking all three of the aforementioned rules. Consider this a friendly warning.
No it is not possible. You will have yo wait till someone roots the 2.1 release. Next time do a search before posting.
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You can not root 2.1 and the phone will not allow you to downgrade the hboot so you can not go back from 2.1
There is a thread in the dev forum. A couple people are trying to find a work around to either downgrade or just a plain old exploit to gain root. Keep a look out for it.
And another one gone...
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The OP wasn't asking anything out of the ordinary. Giving attitude, flaming, and trolling will take things nowhere, particularly not from our stand point. Please consider not posting like this anymore since you are breaking all three of the aforementioned rules. Consider this a friendly warning.
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Dude man up. How did he flame? "No. Not possible " that's a pretty straight forward answer to the ops question. So one has to go on a rant now to answer a stupid question that has been asked 264510937381996 times before otherwise you hurt feelings?
Lesson #1 on forums.
Dont argue with mods or admins...you will lose...every time....always.
It took many years of getting banned to learn that.
have a nice day.
LOL arguing? OK I guess feelings run high here. And I sat here thinking I was asking a question haha
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LOL arguing? OK I guess feelings run high here. And I sat here thinking I was asking a question haha
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In my field thats a form of Subordination. I have modded for many years and ran my own forums, if i was a Mod/Admin here i would see it like that... But honestly, dude im not busting your chops regardless i was just pointing out a simple rule which wasnt directly or indirectly pointed at you. You talk about feelings running high here well everyone at one point or another was a newbie so since my feelings are now directly involved at this point i feel that yes... Some of the comments here that i have seen especially to newbies are complete irate, irrational and overall douche like.
And now you know... And knowing is half the battle!
-G.I Joe
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Dude man up. How did he flame? "No. Not possible " that's a pretty straight forward answer to the ops question. So one has to go on a rant now to answer a stupid question that has been asked 264510937381996 times before otherwise you hurt feelings?
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I don't think it was the "No. Not possible." part that was the issue, it was the "Done. Mods close thread." part that was a bit rude. It came off that way to me anyways. A simple "Not possible" would have sufficed.
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In my field thats a form of Subordination. I have modded for many years and ran my own forums, if i was a Mod/Admin here i would see it like that... But honestly, dude im not busting your chops regardless i was just pointing out a simple rule which wasnt directly or indirectly pointed at you. You talk about feelings running high here well everyone at one point or another was a newbie so since my feelings are now directly involved at this point i feel that yes... Some of the comments here that i have seen especially to newbies are complete irate, irrational and overall douche like.
And now you know... And knowing is half the battle!
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OK I agree because even I can be a fool to noobers. I was talking about this thread, not in general though.
My feelings were never hurt because I understand how some people do not have lives and just go from post to post being assholes to strangers on the internet to make up for their non-existent social life in the real world. As far as it being a stupid question, sorry that I did not perform a search. I looked at the posts from the first two pages in this forum and didn’t see anything. Either way, have a nice day. I will be sure to search before I ask a question that takes up so much space on this website. Get a life.
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My feelings were never hurt because I understand how some people do not have lives and just go from post to post being assholes to strangers on the internet to make up for their non-existent social life in the real world. As far as it being a stupid question, sorry that I did not perform a search. I looked at the posts from the first two pages in this forum and didn’t see anything. Either way, have a nice day. I will be sure to search before I ask a question that takes up so much space on this website. Get a life.
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LOL wahhh wahhh. Was I talking to you? I don't go from post to post, just stupid posts. I'm glad u also think u have a great life I bet it isn't that awesome. Later
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LOL wahhh wahhh. Was I talking to you? I don't go from post to post, just stupid posts. I'm glad u also think u have a great life I bet it isn't that awesome. Later
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So u go from stupid post to stupid post? Lol sounds boring
wow this isnt a great way to get a mod/admins attention now is it?
/sarcasm
The key to the game is to not take anything the internet says personally,
Well unless they somehow have nudes of faithful girlfriend of 5 years in that case..
But honestly I believe most people on this forum are pretty good people despite being quick to action, but a good number are just playing don't mind them much.
I am starting to see when a new person who has no idea of how things work asks a question and gets bashed. Iam wondering do any of the xda-developer vets want xda-developers to grow or die out? New people once they learn how things work , might later start developing new and exciting products. Can we please show them some respect. Thank you for reading!
Can you give us example what you're saying?
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Can you give us example what you're saying?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=714574
justwonder said:
Can you give us example what you're saying?
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You being serious?
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I am starting to see when a new person who has no idea of how things work asks a question and gets bashed. Iam wondering do any of the xda-developer vets want xda-developers to grow or die out? New people once they learn how things work , might later start developing new and exciting products. Can we please show them some respect. Thank you for reading!
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100% agree!
Well said!
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I am starting to see when a new person who has no idea of how things work asks a question and gets bashed. Iam wondering do any of the xda-developer vets want xda-developers to grow or die out? New people once they learn how things work , might later start developing new and exciting products. Can we please show them some respect. Thank you for reading!
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Somebody needs a nap ....
But on a serious note I guess we should just stop having rules altogether ....
If bashing people is what you call expecting people even newbs to follow the rules then I guess bashing it is ...
Not totally disagreeing with you, but partially , yes sometimes vets are harsh with newbs, but if 500 people walked up to you and asked you the same question over and over how long would it take for you to get tired of it ....
ok then i just have my rule
Well I dont want to continue because it seems the majority of vets are annoyed at new users. So now I will have this rule from now on to make things simple. Any time I see this behavoir towards newbies , I will post a link to www.ppcgeeks.com . So since newbies are a problem to the vets here, I will redirect them to different website. That should handle all the problems.
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I am starting to see when a new person who has no idea of how things work asks a question and gets bashed. Iam wondering do any of the xda-developer vets want xda-developers to grow or die out? New people once they learn how things work , might later start developing new and exciting products. Can we please show them some respect. Thank you for reading!
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XDA will grow no matter what but if you think that XDA is more interested in the number of users it has, you are sadly mistaken.
It's very easy to pop in here and create ANOTHER useless thread asking everyone to be nice to the newbies.
All the senior members here were all newbies once. All the chefs and developers were newbies too. They didn't get to be where they are by starting up useless HELP ME threads because they were too lazy to get off their behinds and help themselves.
I've been here since 2006 and my post count very recently crossed 500. I've hung out at XDA almost every single day since the day I officially joined and about another year before that without being a member. I've learnt A LOT over here and given everything that I've learnt, if I were to have posted a HELP ME thread everytime I wanted something, I would have probably raked in about 10k posts by now. Think about how many threads and posts we would have from heavily contributing members if they were to take the HELP ME route.
I've been around here so long and know enough people here that no one would have an issue with me opening a thread for any query that I have, yet I don't... why? because XDA is a repository. Every question that anyone can think of has already been asked and has already been discussed.
I can understand how overwhelming everything can be for a newbie, but that still doesn't excuse the HELP ME threads. SEARCH, Look around, do your due diligence and you will find what you need. Nothing comes easy. You have to work for it. Google Search makes things exceptionally easy. Use it and stop crapping this place up.
Honestly, IMO, the mods here are really nice. Too nice infact. People here get away with just about anything. If you guys think people here are tough then you haven't seen how strict things are around the internet. I swear to god, if I was a mod here, the trash can would be overflowing.
Please... stop these incessant rants.
@zarpy.. PPCGeeks is miniscule compared to XDA. Trust me, the mods and the members over there take care of their forum more aggressively than XDA. It's only a matter of time before they start booting LAZY newbies.
Yeah I agree with this, I find it funny like people were born with the knowledge and talk to people who are clueless like they were never in there shoes before. I myself just got a HD2 not to long ago never really used a phone of the sort with apps and etc. I am however tech smart with PCs and like to learn on my own as it benefits you in the long run so I've picked up the basics just by doing. But not everyone is tech smart especially with phones as a lot of it I do not have a clue what it means even though I am tech smart, but I'm learning what does what slowly and how to install different types of apps, games, and themes
If some of you veterans with these phones disagree with this, your simply a liar and should go play in a fire
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Don't you want to understand what is going on, before you're saying?
Can someone explain what this has to do with "Themes and Apps" please?
Honestly...Noobs...
Stay tune, OP will redirect you to another site, your question will be answered.
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Stay tune, OP will redirect you to another site, your question will be answered.
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LOL... Oh boy that was funny. LOL
HELP ME IM NEW and opps i had caps on four icons to look goodier lyke iphone has
I can see both sides of this point... Yes the search feature is important, and relitivley easy. Most of the bashing is because people dont use it.
But have you all ever stopped to think about this lil situation?
You are looking for an app, but have no clue what it is called???
Or you are from another country, and have difficulty writing English, even though you can speak it clearly enough.
Then there are the noobs that have no clue (like my self) and come looking for help or ask a question to learn.
Many crash in flames because the people who know the answers, only shoot em down. Even after using the search feature. (yes I have seen this situation here as well)
The easy solution is to just not post a flaming bash to the question, or better yet, just dont post anything at all. Someone that does know and has compassion will answer at some point. Or the person asking will do a search or search again or at some point.
It takes more effort to post a bash than it does to point them in the rite direction and teach the noobs.
The old saying "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" REALLY fits here.
Question for all of you to ask your self... When you signed up here, did you READ ALL of the rules before you posted? I'm willing to bet a very small percentage did infact, READ ALL of the rules. So many (not all) of you really have no room to point fingers.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS ROFL AT THE OP!!!
OMFG you actually started a thread because someone detailed a few rules!!
And the example you posted of getting bashed....i just reported the entire thread for closure as it is a complete waste of time...much like this one!!
Thanks for the chuckle over breakfast... most hilarious!
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I can see both sides of this point... Yes the search feature is important, and relitivley easy. Most of the bashing is because people dont use it.
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Bingo!!
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But have you all ever stopped to think about this lil situation?
You are looking for an app, but have no clue what it is called???
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Regardless you wouldnt start new threads asking "Whats that app called....."
or another find eg is the one here "Please help me install icons" i mean WTF, if the guy has icons, he got them from a thread right? EXACTLY, so y not post the question there? common sense no?
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Or you are from another country, and have difficulty writing English, even though you can speak it clearly enough.
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Im sorry to sound like a jerk, but who the hell cares about this....
first forum rule is "USE ENGLISH"
therefore who gives a crap, if you cant speak the language use one of the million free translators and post in English, followed by your native language.
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Then there are the noobs that have no clue (like my self) and come looking for help or ask a question to learn.
Many crash in flames because the people who know the answers, only shoot em down. Even after using the search feature. (yes I have seen this situation here as well)
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Ok the reason you would get bashed is if your asking easily findable questions.
Someone ask a dumb question i think they should get bashed, before i answer ANY questions i google search for an answer, if i find one on the first page, the the person asking the question will get no answer and flamed/bashed.
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The easy solution is to just not post a flaming bash to the question, or better yet, just dont post anything at all.
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How about people dont post stupid questions? do you ever think that with the size of this site, the vet users dont get p*ssed off with noobs asking the same things over and over again?
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Someone that does know and has compassion will answer at some point. Or the person asking will do a search or search again or at some point.
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these peope with compasion, while good for you, they are actually bad, because in stead of forcing you into a position where you actually have to search after being bashed and told that it is a stupid/easy/useless question they just give the answers.
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It takes more effort to post a bash than it does to point them in the rite direction and teach the noobs.
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WHAT COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE!!!!
WTF man, seriously you think we should spend our time teaching noobs?8 years ago i used to get smashed to pieces but the likes of Olipro, and if you think people bash now you should have seen him when he was about...wow...i think you would be crying in the corner!
I run 2 HUGE threads in this forum, and i got that sick after the thousands of idiots that couldnt even be bothered to read the instructions and just posted things like "Help i cant do it"
we need more Olipro's to get rid of the IDIOT noobs who CANNOT BE ARSED SEARCHING.
TEACHING ROFL, jes, would you like me to come to your house and dress you for school too?
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The old saying "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" REALLY fits here.
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Again more rubbish, people not a days are just too LAZY to do things for themselves.
how about this "Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer"
ROFL PWNED!!!
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Question for all of you to ask your self... When you signed up here, did you READ ALL of the rules before you posted?
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Yes
and initially i asked stupid questions and i got flames and bashed, but i wasnt a ***** and i didnt cry about it ans start threads asking people to stop bashing me.
i learnt that if i was getting bashed there was a reason and i accepted that, where as now we hae the folowing:
1: Guy ask Stupid Question
2: Vets Bash
3: Guy crys
4: Guy opens more threads asking about "why am i getting bashed"
5: vets see the thread and get more P*ssed dish out mroe bashing
6: Guy crys more
7: Guy posts the eg of why he gets bashed in the new "why am i getting bashed" thread
8: Vets come along and thing WTF is this guys problem is he stupid?
here is the ULTIMATE easy solution
Search using xda search, search using google search, when posting your question past in the URL for the results of your search so people can see how you searched/what terms you used
then i Guarantee there will be no flames, and probably a few suggestion on changing search terms etc
Read and Search is the key to not posting usless threads
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XDA will grow no matter what but if you think that XDA is more interested in the number of users it has, you are sadly mistaken.
I would have probably raked in about 10k posts by now.
Every question that anyone can think of has already been asked and has already been discussed.
Honestly, IMO, the mods here are really nice. Too nice infact. People here get away with just about anything. If you guys think people here are tough then you haven't seen how strict things are around the internet.
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Couldn´t be more than agree with you leepriestenator, except for the part of the 10k posts
I am almost there
P.S Mods please move to proper discussion place
MG
I know alot of people read Mystics Genius post and thought damn cavemen exist in this day and age.
Laughing my a&+) off hahahaha you said 8 years ago you got bashed here by olipro. Your join date is 2008 its 2010 .....hahahahha where"s your math teacher he did a horrible job hahahahaha.
You this thread was opened by a newbie that wants to know why he got thrash. Your english teacher didnt teach you how to read properly hahaha.
Iam a vet here , I opened this thread because Iam tired of this attitude thats starting to take place.
You remembered when you used to get bashed and thrashed , so you think its right. How dumb are you , so if your dad beat you everyday, does that mean you beat your son? I hope not!!! You suppose to learn , but you stayed aan idiot all this time. 8 years and you learn nothing hahahahaha your the true definition of moron. Iam not mad, I think your a joke hahahahaha.
I just hope you guys don't expect your doctors, lawyers, police officers and everyone else of importance in life to answer your questions...that have been asked and asked over and over again. The answers to your heart problems are on the internet. A little Bing search will find them. You don't need to bother your doctor with clarification questions.
Please stop harrassing your lawyers. They answer the exact same questions you ask time and again. They must be so sick of answering those questions over and over again. All of the answers you can think of are clearly posted online. Do a search of Google or Bing and stop asking your important people questions.
hmmm.... i feel that as newbie
You know I kinda debated about starting this thread but I finally read enough smartass-think-they-are-better-than-everyone-posts. Im a member on countless electonics forums with thousands of posts with the same user name I might add and this forum kinda tops them all as far as "rude people". Yes, I might be "newer" to these forums, but while most of you were in elementary school, I was working on computers, installing networks and doing competition car audio.
Now lets start.
Why were forums made? For the masses to gather and share information, ideas, buy & sell, meet others and just down right chat to one another. *And for people that got picked on in their school days and decide to be a jerk online because they want to feel better about themselves.*
It seems like almost every single thread I read there is someone that asks the "standard question" that has probably been answered numerous times and then you get the standard response. "Well if you would of read, you would know the answer." Instead of being a douche, you could of just typed the answer, gained more post counts and could of probably got your Thanks Meter up another notch.
I love the answer, "Thats what the search feature is for." Well I'm sure almost all of you have tried to search and maybe your search wasnt bigger than 3 letters which gets excluded or so many other queries come that dont get even come close to answering your question. Sometimes its like trying to find waldo in a book with really really big freaking pages.
Then the, "If you would of read the whole thread you would know the answer" response. Well jesus, do you guys realize how fast some of these threads move? Damn, I can make a post, go to bed, wake up and noticed during the overnight the thread gains 10+ pages. Now imagine you are someone new to this, you have read the stickies, done a few searches, got their phone rooted ok but then notice a bug so they ask the "standard question". Well when you have an ungodly amount of threads and an even bigger number of actual posts sometimes its like finding a needle in a haystack. When just asking a question (Which is what forums were made for) can sometimes save you hours of searching thousands of threads.
Some of the people on this forum just need to be patient and help people out, instead being an ASS. We were all newbies once. And we will all be newbies to some other subject in the future. "Can't we all just get along"
And before anyone does the standard flaming. No, this did not happen to me. Search my screen names for posts if you wish. I just hate seeing in almost every 500+ page thread were someone asks a question and the next few people have some sort of smartass answer.
Just be nice, answer the question and watch your Thanks Meter go up. Simple as that.
If people werent asking questions then these forums wouldnt even be a quarter of the size they are now.
Thanks for reading. Have a great day.
Also, thanks to all the Devs that have spent countless days and sleepless nights to help all of us have a more enjoyable experience with our phones.
Uhh, there are already a few threads talking about the same rants, next time search before you create a thread......
LMAO, ok sorry. I couldn't help myself,
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Uhh, there are already a few threads talking about the same rants, next time search before you create a thread......
LMAO, ok sorry. I couldn't help myself,
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I enjoyed that comment.
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I enjoyed that comment.
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Thanks bro, but you are right though, there is a little to much tension at times around here. I have been a member of this site for many years, I had another account but I forgot my name and password so I created this one about three years ago. My point is, I been coming here for over 5 years or so and I am on this site damn near every single day but I never post much if ever. I usually search for what I am looking for at best and then just move on while avoiding the stupid crap. I am also a member of sprintusers, ppcgeeks, androidforums and a few others and they all seem to have their fare share of idiots. Since xda is probably the largest site with the most traffic compared to the others I guess you run the risk of seeing more idiots here as well.
Well said sminker. If people do not like what people post they are just better off keeping it to themselves. Be part of solution not the problem.
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Thanks for the replies. Nice to know I wasnt flamed immediately.
I find XDA to be pretty friendly. The worst tech forums are the tool bags at MacForums that place has a yon of negative and rude posters
Zorachus said:
I find XDA to be pretty friendly. The worst tech forums are the tool bags at MacForums that place has a yon of negative and rude posters
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Doesnt surprise me. Gotta keep your eye on those Mac users. They are a breed of their own.
i hate the 'wrong section' trolls. just let the mods quietly move it, and dont comment. be happy, dont hate.
very well said.
Wow
Thanks for bringing this up. This issue really is annoying. I totally agree. But, it's the internet and jerks will be jerks.
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Thanks for bringing this up. This issue really is annoying. I totally agree. But, it's the internet and jerks will be jerks.
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Sir you are completely right. People can and will act completely different in this "Alternate Universe" than they will in real life. Why? Becuase they can and it makes them feel a little more "Alpha".
Hey I remember being new to a certain forum not this one though, and asking a simple question. The regular jerks of the forum proceeded to try to make me feel like an idiot. Needless to say my feelings weren't hurt but I guess it's that "Alpha Male" complex.
haha those jerks on the iphone-developers wont reply at all. i'm experiencing being a noob again with my ipad.
ps: any of you helpful xda people kno more than a thing or two about tinyumbrella and shsh/jailbreak stuff?
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haha those jerks on the iphone-developers wont reply at all. i'm experiencing being a noob again with my ipad.
ps: any of you helpful xda people kno more than a thing or two about tinyumbrella and shsh/jailbreak stuff?
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If i did, i would help you out. But Im holding off for the 2nd gen Ipad.
I agree, but change your title from REDiculous to ridiculous
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If i did, i would help you out. But Im holding off for the 2nd gen Ipad.
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hah i was going to, and held for 3 months, but then school started and i needed something to type on, so....
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I agree, but change your title from REDiculous to ridiculous
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Thanks Given. Should of checked my spelling better.
Well said nice thread more people need to read this. There are many folks here on xda that have helped me over the years, and I lend a hand to those in need when I can. Thanks
Maybe it was REDiculous for a resin. I have bee. Aroubg these forums reading and not trying to post. Let's get a forums back the doing better for our phones not flaing and contributing instead.( ill get flamed for that. Everyone gets pissed at some point but leave it out of here. Or at lesast try lazy trolls.
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Oh yeah, the reality for that is some people( no specifics at all just in general) think they have a ten foot long e ****
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NICE!!
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/13/mot...r-bootloader-policy-and-image-in-the-process/
WOW! i can't believe no one else has noticed this and brought it to our attention yet!
oh wait.
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WOW! i can't believe no one else has noticed this and brought it to our attention yet!
oh wait.
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yup
its old news if you look at the source article from the original OP article
OP - How about doing research next time before starting a new useless thread? This has already been posted here, in a different thread, and is yesterdays news... 'Search' goes a long way.... oh wait, you must be one of the ones who dont read forum rules huh? Makes sense now..
people are always so quick to ***** at others for making a new thread, why don't you just not go in it if you already heard the news..
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people are always so quick to ***** at others for making a new thread, why don't you just not go in it if you already heard the news..
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Because there is no fun in that.
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people are always so quick to ***** at others for making a new thread, why don't you just not go in it if you already heard the news..
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Have to go in it to know what the content is. Look at the title.............Maybe someone had found something we already hadn't heard.............or not! LOL
Please mods, remove this useless thread... :S
People ***** because the forum rules CLEARLY state to USE SEARCH before posting.... OP obviously DID NOT. Dont preach unless you know what it is your preaching about.
inb4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
Yeah we gotta leave room for all the important threads... not
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inb4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
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This video ha everytime i watch it i laugh
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OP - How about doing research next time before starting a new useless thread? This has already been posted here, in a different thread, and is yesterdays news... 'Search' goes a long way.... oh wait, you must be one of the ones who dont read forum rules huh? Makes sense now..
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Wow. I know reposts are annoying to a lot of people, but I tend to not be so uptight because one or two reposts every few days on an important subject which sometimes cite different source material doesn't seem so bad. And besides, it may actually be the first time some other guy is seeing it.
But why do I have to go through pages of comments which are all belittling the OP? You sir, did not need to post, as the guy right above you had already mentioned this is old news - why do we need this done more than once? If you don't like reposts, move on, there's no reason we should have pages of useless hypocritical comments in a thread which someone else might find to be useful if not for all the trash.
Also, have you ever tried to search for a URL to see if it's already been posted?
Try it for yourself:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/13/mot...r-bootloader-policy-and-image-in-the-process/
It doesn't work that well.
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Also, have you ever tried to search for a URL to see if it's already been posted?
Try it for yourself:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/13/mot...r-bootloader-policy-and-image-in-the-process/
It doesn't work that well.
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why would you search for that link instead of a thread on that topic? there is a handy 'search this forum' button. just type in "unlock bootloader" and see how much pops up. You'll even find the main thread with the petition that lead to this, and the same news is in that thread.
If no threads have a link to this same news article, it is not a repost. People enjoy different perspectives on the same topics.
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If no threads have a link to this same news article, it is not a repost. People enjoy different perspectives on the same topics.
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it's the same damn information. find the thread where people are already talking about it, and provide them with the new link. all the links say the same thing though. absolutely no need for a new thread for each link.
Wow at forum mentality. I understand people like organization, but some people are a little over the top.
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Wow at forum mentality. I understand people like organization, but some people are a little over the top.
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I guess everyone is just a little groggy and annoyed that we keep hearing about an unlocked boot loader or news of a boot loader and boot loaders with HTC and all those great news for phones other than the ATRIX.
Our phone is suppose to be a flagship, but it feels like we're playing second fiddle to other phones because of the limitations of the boot loader.
Let's just keep our cool and be patient. If all else fails... We will start a mass riot.... on the internet of course =] DDOS AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF.
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People ***** because the forum rules CLEARLY state to USE SEARCH before posting.... OP obviously DID NOT. Dont preach unless you know what it is your preaching about.
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Everyone is brave with words on here huh? You're a big man because you can shoot someone down with words huh? I bet if you said what you said to the guy who started this thread in person, he would take you down a notch. Don't try to be Billy Bada$$ on here with your words. Be a man and speak your opinion in a polite manner. I would have never thought to talk to someone like that because they started a simple little repeat thread.
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Everyone is brave with words on here huh? You're a big man because you can shoot someone down with words huh? I bet if you said what you said to the guy who started this thread in person, he would take you down a notch. Don't try to be Billy Bada$$ on here with your words. Be a man and speak your opinion in a polite manner. I would have never thought to talk to someone like that because they started a simple little repeat thread.
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Hehe, this kind of makes me laugh. Why? Here, lemme 'splain:
This is the Interenet. It has Forums. In every single one of those forums, people post the same things, over and over. Repeatedly. In ever single one of those forums, there are forum rules. In every single one of those forums, those rules get ignored. In every single one of those forums, someone posts about how there are rules and that idiot n00bs should use the search function.
What's the point of all this? That it doesn't matter. To borrow a quote, "This has all happened before, and it will happen again." The ass pointing out to the n00b to use the search function doesn't need you to tell him he's being an ass any more than I need to tell you that it's pointless. And even if THAT n00b starts to use the search function, some OTHER n00b will be along shortly posting the same thing. This is how the internet works. And until ALL anonymity goes away, that's just how it's going to be. Seriously, don't get worked up over it. Just realize to yourself that there's another repeat post that's going to be criticized and move along to the next post. Or answer the n00bs question (as I find treating the n00bs question as if it's the first one ever REALLY annoys those that get worked up over them )