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[Q] simple? question about linking with windows

I dont have a problem searching, but my wifes NC makes 4 tablets in our house so keeping this all in my head is rather hectic, so if I can find out IF this is possible, I can search for HOW TO (unless someone wants to tell me)
We have aversion of CM7 on her 32gb uSD card, and that boots great, and when she wants more than a basic NC she goes that route.
However I tried to transfer some movies to her from the laptop, and they are too big for the internal memory and even loading them on a uSD I get unrecognized file type (when booting as a regular NC)
However, when I boot from the uSD card w/ CM7 (I believe it is the march 2011 version, I dont have the #), SHOULD I be able to plug it into the laptop USB and the xfer cards over that way?
When I plug it in Win7 tries to load the drivers and fails and nothing is available through Explorer.
When booting under the NC there is a NC "drive: that I can click on and copy to.
Any thoughts, ideas, would be helpful
Thanks
J

In settings, be sure that USB debugging is enabled. It also seems to work MUCH better if you use a cable other than the Nook Color cable. I use the cable that came with my phone and it works much better for connecting to the PC.

framitz.
Thanks for the tips.
at least now I know that it SHOULD be able to happen.
Ill check debugging AND the cable when i get home.
Do you know if there have been any major changes or updates since the Apr 10th release?
I personally use a Gtab ZT180 and AugenG78, and on most of their ROM pages they have a series of dates and changes on the home page of the post.
BUT I know everyone does things differently, and personally other than the HC rom Im using on the gTAB I think the CM&/NC combo is the best value/performence out today!
I think I have sold more MC's through recommendation than the local BN guy "Pierce" (so named due to the metal additions) here in town
J

I run rooted stock 1.2. with ManualNooter 4.6.16.
I haven't played with other ROMS.

You might also try the Samba Filesharing app. It allows you to connect to your SDcard on the NC as a network share. Then you can copy files to and from any PC on your network without any cables.

now THATS another great idea, I have one on my GTAB but hadnt thought about the NC because I thought that was already dealt with.
thanks
j

Bonnie_Raitt said:
You might also try the Samba Filesharing app. It allows you to connect to your SDcard on the NC as a network share. Then you can copy files to and from any PC on your network without any cables.
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I'm not familiar with this app, but I use File Expert (free) to connect to the PC via wifi and it works great. It uses the shares on the PC instead of opening up the Nook. Same results, but I feel safer using File Expert for moving data.

3.1 & USB Peripherals

I know that 3.1 added support for a broader spectrum of USB devices, and I thought it would be interesting to compile a list of what works and doesn't work!
So far, I've tried:
ACER LIQUID E - Basically just charges the phone and allows for tethering (wish I could mount it) **UPDATE** After rooting and installing busybox and drive mount, Liquid E is able to mount! (Thanks, entropy)
HP WIRELESS MINI KEYBOARD (Model #U10G) - Works flawlessly! Prior to the update, only the keyboard worked, but now the mouse works too, as expected!
SONY CYBERSHOT (Model #DSC-W55) - At first the Iconia didn't detect it, but after I went into the camera menu and changed USB connect mode from "auto" to "mass storage" and plugged it back into the tablet, the Gallery app opened automatically and the pics from the camera magically appeared! Woohoo!
LOGITECH ATTACK 3 JOYSTICK - Not too useful, but it works! Basically it works as a glorified mouse, scrolling up/down/left/right. Pretty basic for now, but perhaps a good flight simulator will come out in the future?
SAMSUNG STORY STATION 1 TB HARD DRIVE - My biggest disappointment... I know there are workarounds to get external drives to work, but I was hoping 3.1 would provide a fix for this. It is formatted FAT32, so I'm not sure what the problem is, but my Iconia isn't picking it up **UPDATE** After rooting and installing busybox and drive mount, Story Station is able to mount! (Thanks, entropy)

I can confirm the iphone 3gs will charge and you can import photos/movies taken on the camera.
I have a cannon camera at home. I know they have a strange interface which always requires me to load a separate driver in windows. I will test it later and let you know.

vanisleguy1976 said:
SAMSUNG STORY STATION 1 TB HARD DRIVE - My biggest disappointment... I know there are workarounds to get external drives to work, but I was hoping 3.1 would provide a fix for this. It is formatted FAT32, so I'm not sure what the problem is, but my Iconia isn't picking it up
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Assuming you are rooted - try "drive mount" (free from market) - solved all my USB storage device problems.

entropy.of.avarice said:
Assuming you are rooted - try "drive mount" (free from market) - solved all my USB storage device problems.
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Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. I'm not currently rooted, but I'll likely take that plunge soon. I was hoping 3.1 would cure that in the stock software, but we can't always get what we want
pacificwing said:
I can confirm the iphone 3gs will charge and you can import photos/movies taken on the camera.
I have a cannon camera at home. I know they have a strange interface which always requires me to load a separate driver in windows. I will test it later and let you know.
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How ironic that an iProduct will work as a peripheral, but not another Acer product!
*edit* Just tested my old BLACKBERRY CURVE 8310 and it mounts no problem! Wtf?
Thanks for the info!

vanisleguy1976 said:
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. I'm not currently rooted, but I'll likely take that plunge soon. I was hoping 3.1 would cure that in the stock software, but we can't always get what we want
Thanks for the info!
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Rooting stock 3.1 takes about ten seconds - i have successfully ran a Logitech laser mouse, a Saitek Eclipse 2 keyboard, a old crappy external 60gb USB hdd, and a 16gb flash stick all at once

Does a non powered usb hub work??
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vari9 said:
Does a non powered usb hub work??
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Using a non powered hub as I type - 4 devices connected, including a sweet keyboard with led back lighting (saitek eclipse 2) - all 4 devices work even if I am not connected to power.

Is there an * easy * way to make this tab use huwaei dongle for internet...???
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vari9 said:
Is there an easy way to make this tab use huwaei dongle for internet...???
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No idea - would probably involve a rooted device and a custom rom - head to the dev section.

Logitech mx510 and mx518 mice confirmed.
Xbox 360 wired controller works but found no games that use it and it is very clunky for nav'ing the UI in general.
Wacom Bamboo powers but nothing functions.
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Is there a safe way of removing these usb devices without having to power down?

peejayw said:
Is there a safe way of removing these usb devices without having to power down?
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A "safe" way? I'm pretty sure it won't explode if you just unplug them.
In all seriousness, you should be able to just unplug them without losing data. At least I always have.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason you have to "eject" removable media from windows is because windows has some sort of drive caching to speed things up. This means that just because you have copied a file to your usb drive, doesn't mean the data has actually been written right away.
Furthermore, Windows also locks out files that are in use by an active application. As such, windows makes you "eject" the media in order to give the OS a chance to check to see if any of the files are still in use, to avoid the application having a brain fart and crashing. Also, if an application is in the process of writing to a file and you yank out the drive, the file could become corrupt.
I think both scenarios are not likely to occur on an Android tablet, mainly because its based on a real operating system not designed to treat you like an idiot. Just make sure none of the data is being used by any open apps and you should be fine.
That being said, always make sure to keep backups.
Cheers,
-PW

Anyone able to use an Xbox 360 controller. I have a wireless with PC USB dongle, would like to use it if I possible.

Just want to say i can see my files in my x10 mounting it with drive mount and view it with file expert

entropy.of.avarice said:
Rooting stock 3.1 takes about ten seconds - i have successfully ran a Logitech laser mouse, a Saitek Eclipse 2 keyboard, a old crappy external 60gb USB hdd, and a 16gb flash stick all at once
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Thanks! After rooting, installing busybox, and Drive mount, I now am able to mount my phone and external hard drive!

vanisleguy1976 said:
Thanks! After rooting, installing busybox, and Drive mount, I now am able to mount my phone and external hard drive!
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Yay! Glad it worked for you. Enjoy!

Using USB OTG (No Rooting)

I have a Nexus 7 16G and right now I have attached a flash drive to the unit. From reading everything, it says I can use Es FileExplorer and get to /sdcard/usbStorage/sda1 - however, I cannot get to this folder. When I click on the /sdcard/ - I get clear history.
I tried using my Bluetooth keyboard to type, but that did not work.
Everything I have read speaking about rooting the device, which I do not want to do. How can I get to this folder?
I did get the Media Importer but that did not seem to work. I think it was because of too many connections. I found an article PSA: Amazon Has A USB OTG Cable For Less Than A Dollar With Free Shipping, So You Should Probably Buy It, which is a lot better that what I have.
But will the Nexus 7 support 64GB or 32GB? I called support and they said they did not know of a memory limitation.
Thank you!

Corey Bryant said:
I have a Nexus 7 16G and right now I have attached a flash drive to the unit. From reading everything, it says I can use Es FileExplorer and get to /sdcard/usbStorage/sda1 - however, I cannot get to this folder. When I click on the /sdcard/ - I get clear history.
I tried using my Bluetooth keyboard to type, but that did not work.
Everything I have read speaking about rooting the device, which I do not want to do. How can I get to this folder?
I did get the Media Importer but that did not seem to work. I think it was because of too many connections. I found an article PSA: Amazon Has A USB OTG Cable For Less Than A Dollar With Free Shipping, So You Should Probably Buy It, which is a lot better that what I have.
But will the Nexus 7 support 64GB or 32GB? I called support and they said they did not know of a memory limitation.
Thank you!
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N7 supports even hub (with external power source if you connect power-hungry devices)!
you can connect keyboards and mouses with no root but you have to root and install stickmount (from the play store) to manage external drives (hdd, flash drives, etc.). With stock kernel fat32 is supported as r/w, ntfs only read. You need to flash a custom kernel to get ntfs r/w support.
With no root, there's no way. Sorry.

Hm, I get different answers.
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N7 supports even hub (with external power source if you connect power-hungry devices)!
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When you say hub, can you let me know exactly what you might mean? I think I know, but I would like to be sure. I would like to stop buying things and have them not work.

Example - I connected a non-powered, 4-port Belkin USB hub to the Nexus using the OTG cable. I plugged a thumb drive and a wireless mouse receiver into the hub and was able to simultaneously use both the mouse and the thumb drive (using Nexus Media Importer).
Dave
edit - I am not rooted.

OK, that is what I thought. So I do need that OTG cable and no need to root it.

Some say the OTG cables work with downloading media importer, others say you need to root to play large files.
I will know in a couple days.
Least I didn't waste money as Google play gave me 25 free bucks.
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sorry, I didn't know about Nexus Media Importer.
Anyway the root access allow you to mount the drive as internal memory so you can play with ALL files in the thumb. Through Nexus Media Importer you play via MTP which doesn't allow some kind of files (eg. mkv) which with proper players (eg. mx player) the Nexus can handle. Read the description of that app for further details.
About usb powered hub
basically sth like this. It's needed just if you attach many things or an HDD. it would be good to use it always with more than one peripheral not to load the battery as it's not designed to discharge heavily this way.
About not working things
what did you buy which doesn't work?

Mk808 android 4.1 mini pc

http://www.geekbuying.com/item/MK80...ip-RK3066-Cortex-A9-Mini-PC-stick-307415.html
What everyone think? Anybody took the leap and bought it yet? I was thinking about getting one so I don't have to hookup my laptop to my TV anymore
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nice gadget!!
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http://www.geekbuying.com/item/MK80...ip-RK3066-Cortex-A9-Mini-PC-stick-307415.html
What everyone think? Anybody took the leap and bought it yet? I was thinking about getting one so I don't have to hookup my laptop to my TV anymore
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I got mine mk808 yesterday. I bought a mk802 in august but it "burned" after 1 week. I also think that the mk802 was very laggish... The mk808 is far much better!!!
So far I am very very very happy with it!
regards

gillidk said:
I got mine mk808 yesterday. I bought a mk802 in august but it "burned" after 1 week. I also think that the mk802 was very laggish... The mk808 is far much better!!!
So far I am very very very happy with it!
regards
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gillidk, Did you buy yours from geekbuying? How long was the delivery and which country are you
I was about to order the similar GV-20 mk808 based device from gadgetgreats but poeple have mentioned fraud etc
http://www.gadgetgreats.com/gv-20-a...i-a9-dual-core-android-4-0-mini-pc-gv-20.html
many thanks

I got mine today. I ordered it over a week ago. Weird because I didn't get my shipping information until last night, and when I tracked it, it was already out for delivery.
My Measy Air Mouse R11 is screwed though I think. It keeps sliding to the left hand side. I even tried on my PC and it does the same thing. I've tried to resync it and screw with it, but it keeps moving. Very hard to use a mouse that doesn't stay still. The MK808 is fun. I just got it tonight. I haven't had the time to get really crazy with it. Seems to run ok and would be far more enjoyable with a good input device.

Ordered mine today (only $60), if it really works as reviews say, it's quite a bargain

Do you still have problems with the rc11 or are they solved ?
send by an 42y old gio junkie™

player911 said:
I got mine today. I ordered it over a week ago. Weird because I didn't get my shipping information until last night, and when I tracked it, it was already out for delivery.
My Measy Air Mouse R11 is screwed though I think. It keeps sliding to the left hand side. I even tried on my PC and it does the same thing. I've tried to resync it and screw with it, but it keeps moving. Very hard to use a mouse that doesn't stay still. The MK808 is fun. I just got it tonight. I haven't had the time to get really crazy with it. Seems to run ok and would be far more enjoyable with a good input device.
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Did you get it by express delivery or normal delivery
send by an 42y old gio junkie™

I fixed my Measy Air Mouse R11.
To reset the Gyros, you lay it flat and press and hold LEFT ARROW + G for a few seconds... making sure it is flat. Now it works great.
I'm having some weird issues with some misbehaving apps. Root explorer started freaking out. And now my FPse won't use OpenGL for the life of me. I'm interested in trying the CM10 build for it but the operation requirements are bland. Supposedly it requires CWM recovery, which is supplied but doesn't give specifics how or what order or process to get it done.
I have to say that it is a fun unit to work with and chews through FPse roms. I'm surprised how well it runs for a chinese chipset.
Flashing is a bit of a chore and instructions aren't very clear, so I'll post them here:
With the unit OFF:
Insert a paper clip into the reset hole and press it in and HOLD IT down.
Awkwardly insert the MicroUSB-PC cable into the OTG. This will power the unit and it should boot into Flash mode given you've held the paperclip down properly.

Trying to install eGalax Touch Screen linux driver
I'm trying to install the eGalax Touch Screen driver for Linux 2.6 that came with my liliput 7 inch touch screen. The touch screen is for use in my car. Using the mk802 II or ug808 to replace my audio system. I just need to get the driver installed. The driver installation script is looking for the locations "usr/local" and "usr/bin", but the only "usr" directory I can find is in "system/usr"... I'm not sure if I should use that location and create the local and bin directories there or not. But when I created the usr/local and usr/bin at the same level as system (which is in the "mnt" directory which is also at the same level as "root" directory (btw, I cannot find a "home" directory), the install seemed to work fine using Better Terminal Pro android app with the bash shell. However, when I restarted the device, the "usr" directory that I create was gone, so the driver install was wiped apparently, and the usb HDMI touch screen still does not work... I can post the bash script if that helps. This is the last thing I need to get this to work, then I can have a full Android ICS system in my car. Thanks in advance.
FYI The HDMI works great to view and use a usb mouse or the RII keyboard. they work great. It's just the touch screen input does not work. It used to when I first turned on the device with the touch screen on, but the x-y coordinates were reversed, hence attempting to install the driver. I have ICS compiled from source and may attempt to add the drivers into it and create an img to them load on the mk802 II, but I fear that I'll loose any proprietary hardware drivers that came with the mk802 II.
I also wanted to make a img backup using ROM Manager, but ClockworkMod is not available for the MK802 II. ANy leads on this would help. Been researching and testing this for a month now.

rscreen said:
gillidk, Did you buy yours from geekbuying? How long was the delivery and which country are you
I was about to order the similar GV-20 mk808 based device from gadgetgreats but poeple have mentioned fraud etc
http://www.gadgetgreats.com/gv-20-a...i-a9-dual-core-android-4-0-mini-pc-gv-20.html
many thanks
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Ordered on the 26th for 65$ (actually cost £42 through paypal),
they shipped on the 29th (tracking never worked).
And it arrived on the 6th. So quicker than expected.
I've applied the firmware update which was a slightly newer build of 4.1. Mentioned in both these places (applied the tweaked one from deadhp1 for the play store location fix in case needed)
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.php/2012/11/03/mk808-mini-pc-firmware-update-on-3th-nov/
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=53
It now seems to play any avi / mkv / mp4 i've given it (usually on a usb stick or micro SD). It happily plays avi's over the network (using ES file explorer).
Its definitely better than the out of sync UG802 which wasn't quite right and the power lead came out too easily.
I use the custom stock video app (seems to come with most of the RockChip devices) and MX player (it looks a lot nicer)

I was looking for a device like this one and the reviews are really helpful

Anyone know of GPS that works with these?
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I was looking for a device like this one and the reviews are really helpful
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Anyone know of GPS (USB or embedded) that works with these? Thanks for your help.

So confused... it's a USB drive that turns a TV into an Android PC? Does the TV require any special functionality to allow for that?

Avuja said:
So confused... it's a USB drive that turns a TV into an Android PC? Does the TV require any special functionality to allow for that?
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It is a mini PC that has HDMI output. Your TV must have a vacant HDMI input so you can plug the mini PC into it. My TV supports 1080p. And so I can set the output resolution on the mini PC to 1080p. But it also could be set to 720p as well. These don't come with any display so you have to plug it in to your TV or a monitor that supports HDMI. The audio is pushed through the HDMI as well. To control it you can use a USB mouse and/or USB keyboard. Your cheap wireless mouse will work but the USB ports do not have power to them so I've had to use a powered USB hub to make my wireless keyboard work further than a foot away from the USB dongle for the keyboard. The hub also allows you to plug in other devices like a USB camera. But the ones that work are somewhat limited , be aware. Does that help you understand it?

Maxx57 said:
I'm trying to install the eGalax Touch Screen driver for Linux 2.6 that came with my liliput 7 inch touch screen. The touch screen is for use in my car. Using the mk802 II or ug808 to replace my audio system. I just need to get the driver installed. The driver installation script is looking for the locations "usr/local" and "usr/bin", but the only "usr" directory I can find is in "system/usr"... I'm not sure if I should use that location and create the local and bin directories there or not. But when I created the usr/local and usr/bin at the same level as system (which is in the "mnt" directory which is also at the same level as "root" directory (btw, I cannot find a "home" directory), the install seemed to work fine using Better Terminal Pro android app with the bash shell. However, when I restarted the device, the "usr" directory that I create was gone, so the driver install was wiped apparently, and the usb HDMI touch screen still does not work... I can post the bash script if that helps. This is the last thing I need to get this to work, then I can have a full Android ICS system in my car. Thanks in advance.
FYI The HDMI works great to view and use a usb mouse or the RII keyboard. they work great. It's just the touch screen input does not work. It used to when I first turned on the device with the touch screen on, but the x-y coordinates were reversed, hence attempting to install the driver. I have ICS compiled from source and may attempt to add the drivers into it and create an img to them load on the mk802 II, but I fear that I'll loose any proprietary hardware drivers that came with the mk802 II.
I also wanted to make a img backup using ROM Manager, but ClockworkMod is not available for the MK802 II. ANy leads on this would help. Been researching and testing this for a month now.
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probably you will need the kernel sources. also, you need root access. that error (directories that get lost after reboot) might be due to yo need to remount the /system partition in rw mode (by default is ro) and perhaps you will neet to do some symlinks on /bin to /system/xbin.
other thing you..must get in considwration is that android is different from linux.. and that you might need to compile the kernel module, such thiing im not sure that is posible from within the device itself...
or.. i just might be way off track, in which case jyst dismiss my answer
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Maxx57 said:
Anyone know of GPS (USB or embedded) that works with these? Thanks for your help.
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I'm very interested to know as well, I have an MK808 and would love to add a GPS dongle.

Anyone know if a headset can be paired over bt for voip calls and or voice commands and search /google now?
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Anyone know if a headset can be paired over bt for voip calls and or voice commands and search /google now?
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just so you know it doesn't have built in bluetooth.

if you need bluetooth google for imito mx1. this one seems to be the best mk808 model so far. i got mine last month but haven't tried bluetooth yet. antutu gives a score around 6500. it's a nice toy to play with on bigscreen tvs.

I read up on this one. Good vid review at http://youtu.be/X8pozwuAq7w
Anyone know the spec diff between this and the MX2?
and is geekbuying the best seller for this device or ???
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h-guy said:
if you need bluetooth google for imito mx1. this one seems to be the best mk808 model so far. i got mine last month but haven't tried bluetooth yet. antutu gives a score around 6500. it's a nice toy to play with on bigscreen tvs.
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can anyone comment on this non-support of XBMC for Rockchip? and if not Rockchip, which stick-PC gets it right?
one comment also that I would like more info on is that both iMITO units underperform compared to MK808
"Lack of XBMC support for HD hardware acceleration is a major issue that Rockchip needs to address if they want to keep selling SoC chips to the Stick PC mfgrs. Stick PC makers need 2 take action on this as well and if Rockchip won't play ball, they need to consider alternative SoC. We need more processing power anyway to get close to current smart-phone level and play the latest 3D games."

OTG cable issue

Hello
I have the following issue. I bought an otg cable and it was able to mount my flash and mouse the first two times. Since then, it only gives a kick start and both my mouse and flash drive are powered down after 3 seconds. I tried them separately. To summarise the problem my nexus 7 does not give enough power to its microusb to be efficiently running an external device or the software recognizes it improperly and shuts it down.The cable works, since its been tried on 2 other devices. Now I wasn't able to find a proper solution to the problem so I'm asking if someone's dealt with such an issue. Running a rooted stock android 4.2.1
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You didn't mention which app you are using to be able to mount external storage. It requires Nexus Media Importer (paid app, read/stream only) or the free Stickmount (requires root, provides read/write/streaming). A mouse or keyboard will work without root or either app, but mounting storage requires an external app or a custom kernel with built-in support.

I am using stickmount, and I'm sure it would do its job if I get the devices power for more than 3 seconds
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Any new ideas, perhaps a custom kernel ? Any recommendations

Have you tried to see what the app "USB Host Diagnostics" tells you when you try to mount?
It's from the same maker as stickymount, maybe that will give you some better insight at what's happening.
I would include a link but since I'm new on this forum it won't let me yet.

rockhopperpenguin said:
Have you tried to see what the app "USB Host Diagnostics" tells you when you try to mount?
It's from the same maker as stickymount, maybe that will give you some better insight at what's happening.
I would include a link but since I'm new on this forum it won't let me yet.
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Hello there, yes I have tried it several times, but it could not discover any attached devices, since, as mentioned, the power to the external devices is cut off 3 seconds after the physical insertion. Said devices aren't powered, that's what bugs me. If somehow electricity reaches them, I would be somewhat relieved since the problem would apparently be from the os or software. Right now I cannot get power to the devices, that's why I cannot do any diagnostics. Any ideas on why that might be ?

I would try another OTG-usb cable. Perhaps yours is just enough out of spec it worked at first, but now fails, or it may have been damaged after the first uses. Maybe static shock or it got bent or something. I got one through Amazon delivered to me from Hong Kong for 65 cents (including shipping). It took 17 days to receive, but it works great. I don't know how they can make any money like that, but I'm happy.