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Well via to an article over at Android Central, and Bloomberg: Business Week, its been said by Google that they wont be releasing the source code for Honeycomb. The reasoning behind it apparently is to keep your small time, crap companies, from trying to put 3.0.x onto a device and giving android a bad rep. So I dont think we will be seeing any ROMs until Ice cream.
Source: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-not-open-sourcing-honeycomb-says-bloomberg
Google Holds Honeycomb Tight
It will delay distribution of new Android tablet source code to outside programmers
We'll get it eventually..
Eventually we may but they are saying they dont want craplet devices coming out that aren't intended to run HC. Yea I can see them releasing the source code, after they get a version of this new style android that runs on phones and tables, AKA ice cream. They also say that it wont be release in the foreseeable future, I take this as dont loose sleep waiting for it.
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Eventually we may but they are saying they dont want craplet devices coming out that aren't intended to run HC. Yea I can see them releasing the source code, after they get a version of this new style android that runs on phones and tables, AKA ice cream. They also say that it wont be release in the foreseeable future, I take this as dont loose sleep waiting for it.
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+1
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I Saw somewhere that they are only holding the source code back from the masses to ****up. you can still request & sign for the source code if you ask google directly.
IANAL, but if the owner of the source code decides not to publish, isn't that their right? regardless what "Licence" they publish it under?
When it comes to preventing carriers from putting money sucking spamware on your phone googles "that would jepordize the very definition of open source". But when it comes to releasing the source code for developers to smooth out and patch their half baked OS so each consumer (who paid an unwarranted premium for their device in the first place) can have the free choice of how they would like their "open source" OS to function googles.
Say it aint so.
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I think people need to relax on this issue. Google will release it when they are ready. Either way I can almost guarantee that it will be leaked. The Dev community always gets what I needs. To be honest it is a little annoying that the android community freaks out over everything. Everyone just relax. I am going to go back to enjoying my Xoom.
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orionshock said:
I Saw somewhere that they are only holding the source code back from the masses to ****up. you can still request & sign for the source code if you ask google directly.
IANAL, but if the owner of the source code decides not to publish, isn't that their right? regardless what "Licence" they publish it under?
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Not if they have already distributed product using it. AKA Xoom.
colbyb25 said:
I think people need to relax on this issue. Google will release it when they are ready. Either way I can almost guarantee that it will be leaked. The Dev community always gets what I needs. To be honest it is a little annoying that the android community freaks out over everything. Everyone just relax. I am going to go back to enjoying my Xoom.
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I believe this is not just a simple issue.. leaked <> AOSP
one thing for sure, if we don't have HC AOSP, never expect custom rom..
this android open source is going into nightmare .. Google please remember this "Don't be Evil" ..
this is ur second Evil move after c&d letter to cyanogen..
peace all..
Curious why there haven't been any Zip Aligned or Deodexed roms put out, even if that is as far as we can go other than Kernel Tweaks.
I'm not complaining, just curious.
I guess well have stuff in due time.
So if I type assassinate and then.....Google, do u think they will send a team of nerds and lawyers to get me. Be a martyr...start a revolution..Viva la Zoom
...j/k. Not serious
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You don't need the source code to make a quality rom.
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Ftw
Kcarpenter said:
Curious why there haven't been any Zip Aligned or Deodexed roms put out, even if that is as far as we can go other than Kernel Tweaks.
I'm not complaining, just curious.
I guess well have stuff in due time.
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You don't need the source code to make a quality rom.
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Here's the deal guys. The legend JesusFreke has stated that he needs source to update his programs smali / baksmali. The are the base tools for decompiling framework and apk.
we cannot deodex rom without those tools. Thus we cannot modify smali and XML. So we are stuck with a stock rom. But we have kernel source which is far more important.
So, its all good for now
Is it still possible to theme the Stock ROM without deodexing? I thought I read somewhere that you could but it was not as easy.
Samsung probably pissed them off for putting their craptastic TouchWiz on the new Galaxy Tabs.
I bet you we'll see the Honeycomb source around the I/O in May. I bet we'll also get the deal on 2.4 and some hints for the next version which will unify the tablet and phone forks back into one.
th0r615 said:
I bet you we'll see the Honeycomb source around the I/O in May. I bet we'll also get the deal on 2.4 and some hints for the next version which will unify the tablet and phone forks back into one.
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3 weeks after io..I think that's how long it took for froyo source.
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My guess is Google is probably more worried about all the bagnasty China tabs that have flooded the market all running earlier versions of Android.. Imagine the cheap China crap that would hit the streets if they released the HC Source.. No way the masses would pay the big bucks for the Google sanctioned Tablets when they could pick up a China tab for pennies on the dollar..
While I don't think Google is doing themselves any favors by taking this approach, I would point out that folks would probably make more headway spending time porting Ubuntu or one of the other Linux distributions to the Xoom than trying to prevail on Google to change their ways.
Let's Take A Deep Breath Folks
I'm going to keep this short because I'm not a developer yet, so I'm only qualified to speak as a user and as a grateful member of this forum. As I understand it, in order to be "open" the code has to eventually be released (kind of like non-packaged Linux, i.e. CentOS, Ubuntu, etc.).
From what I've experienced, the only people that DON'T want code coming to us are the carriers. When you folks develop way better ROMs than the crap with bloatware that they try to pass off to us, it hurts their wallets - BFD!!
I'm honored and proud of you guys and I KNOW that the Google probably held it for legitimate problems that they're going to fix for us. Once that's done, they KNOW that once you get a hold of it, more people are going to be exposed to it which only makes more people want future versions. that's how I got snagged by you folks, first with Windows Mobile and then with Android.
I have faith in parts of the system. I have faith in Google to deliver their end, it's the carriers and their greedy practices that I don't trust. Keep the faith folks, take a deep breath and relax. XOOM has been here for only a minute, but we KNOW that it's unlocked, it's rooted and as soon as the 4G hardware and the SD card issues are resolved, we're going to be hip-deep in better versions of the ROMs. I believe that with all my heart because you folks have shown it to me time and again.
It's gonna be great - just wait and see.
Why don´t we have custom roms yet??
Wasn´t the source code dropped already??
When was the source dropped?
This is the last news we had:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/google-keeping-honeycomb-source-code-on-ice-says-its-not-ready/
funkatiko said:
Why don´t we have custom roms yet??
Wasn´t the source code dropped already??
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Since you think it dropped already go ahead and make one
What's the time frame they have to release the HC Source Code? Don't they HAVE to release it?
The Honeycomb sources will never be released. Google announced that at Google IO a few weeks ago, they will only release source code for Icecream Sandwich, which will unify phone (2.x) and Tablet (3.x) Android.
The reason they gave is Honeycomb is a hacked together version kinda rushed out for tablets, and they don't want anyone to see what a mess it is. (ok, that is my interpretation, their actual explanation is "this isn't a proper Android release as we took shortcuts to get it shipped ASAP for tablets, and we don't want devs to rely on these").
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Since you think it dropped already go ahead and make one
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Since ur ass is were ur face should be, u are a freak.
RMerlin said:
The Honeycomb sources will never be released. Google announced that at Google IO a few weeks ago, they will only release source code for Icecream Sandwich, which will unify phone (2.x) and Tablet (3.x) Android.
The reason they gave is Honeycomb is a hacked together version kinda rushed out for tablets, and they don't want anyone to see what a mess it is. (ok, that is my interpretation, their actual explanation is "this isn't a proper Android release as we took shortcuts to get it shipped ASAP for tablets, and we don't want devs to rely on these").
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So is it for sure that we are not having custom roms for honeycomb 3.0 or 3.1? I remember someone (i believe it was bigrushdog) saying that the custom roms were just around the corner....and that was 1 month ago....
I believe some people were able to make some kind of homebrew ROMs based on the SDK. How that works exactly I don't know, someone with better Android technical knowledge than me might know.
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I believe some people were able to make some kind of homebrew ROMs based on the SDK. How that works exactly I don't know, someone with better Android technical knowledge than me might know.
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They were able to port for other devices. But ports usually aren't the most stable things around - also no need for us to port...we have HC. We can't deodex and zip align without source. So anything a dev could do right now would be limited to some minor themeing.
You will never see a Honeycomb based custom rom (other then crappy reverse engineered SDK ones) because Google's not going to release 3.0 or 3.1 source code... You're gunna have to wait till Ice Cream Sandwich in Q4 to see any AOSP based ROMs (like CyanogenMod)
A better question might be if by the end of the year the Xoom will be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich?
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A better question might be if by the end of the year the Xoom will be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich?
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Seeing as how Google said they will require manufacturers to support their devices for 18 months if they wish to use Android on their products at I/O this year, I'd assume so.
http://www.dashhacks.com/articles/g...st-be-supported-manufacturers-least-18-months
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And if Motorola does't... Source code will be available then for homebrew Icecream Sandwich if needed.
Either through ota updates or unofficial ports?
sorry
I don't think officially we will get ics. But there standard a great chance of getting it on our tablets.If you need icecream right now I suggest doing as I do.Dairy Queen is close to most everyone.
Good luck
erica_renee said:
I don't think officially we will get ics. But there standard a great chance of getting it on our tablets.If you need icecream right now I suggest doing as I do.Dairy Queen is close to most everyone.
Good luck
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Ahh I love dairy queen
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Ahh I love dairy queen
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On a serious note I do think it will be ported to our device.
OK take me for a blizzard. I just finished dinner.
Quit making me hungry
Because ICS will be optimized for both tablets and phones, I think we'll begin to see a lot more tablet support from Cyanogenmod.
Speaking of which, I'm looking at buying an a500, and I was trying to find out if there is either a beta, or an unofficial CM port, but when I searched this forum for cyanogenmod I got 0 hits. Is search broken, or am I missing something? From what I've read, the bootloader lock was cracked, so why is no one on the whole a500 forum talking about CM?
I am not 100 % sure but I think cm is still on 2.3.whatever whereas we are on 3.x.x
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I am not 100 % sure but I think cm is still on 2.3.whatever whereas we are on 3.x.x
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That's bc honeycomb isn't open source but ICS will be so there should be cm support.
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No icecream that stuff will make you fat
I think that we may see an official update through Acer depending on the requirements Google has for the hardware part of ICS.
I also believe that CM will most likely stay exclusive to phones. Although ICS will support both phones and tablets, I don't see CM moving away from making custom Roms for phones.
However, I do hope that the CM team will be willing to try something new seeing as the ICS code should be very similar for both Tablets and Phones.
I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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I think that we may see an official update through Acer depending on the requirements Google has for the hardware part of ICS.
I also believe that CM will most likely stay exclusive to phones. Although ICS will support both phones and tablets, I don't see CM moving away from making custom Roms for phones.
However, I do hope that the CM team will be willing to try something new seeing as the ICS code should be very similar for both Tablets and Phones.
I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Cm as you pointed out is a team so all it takes is for root on a tab and a team member to get that tab and I'm sure cm ICS will make it to tabs.
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After checking out the cm website they already support the b&n book and the g-tab
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my favorite ICS is Maxibon
amidoingitrite?
cm did great work on the nook color, they did what they could to make 2.3 functional on the nook adding bluetooth, bottom status bar w/ buttons and much more. i cant wait for ICS to come out and im sure they will throw some tablet love our way.
For those devs who would find this useful, the ICS source has just been released.
Further here: http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/4f85d9242667a85f?pli=1
(EDIT: Please note that the GIT repo is syncing the code in, I'm not sure if it is complete yet)
yaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!
wooo!!! ICS on my Acer! ....eventually
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I have faith that i will have ics on my Acer as well as my Inspire soon
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By no means rushing anything, just curious...what's the expected turnaround for a rom on the A500 based on this?
I am fully aware that this is very new and different to all of us and it will take some time to figure out, just wondering what everyone thinks. Excited
Just an update to say the sync is complete, so cooks can get on their way now. Compiling ICS takes quite a bit of time and power though (5 hours on a quad core with 16gb of RAM!) so it might be a few days at least before we see the first AOSP release for the A500. Maybe sooner if we get a dedicated dev to work on it it might even be faster if someone cooks a ROM on another device (Xoom or Transformer for example) and then makes a port for the A500. Of course, it would be a bit buggier doing it this way. Either way, we'll be seeing ICS pretty soon. We just need to be patient
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well, given that they're probably fitting ICS to the Iconia officially towards the middle or end of January, I'd say we'll get custom roms by december..
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By no means rushing anything, just curious...what's the expected turnaround for a rom on the A500 based on this?
I am fully aware that this is very new and different to all of us and it will take some time to figure out, just wondering what everyone thinks. Excited
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expect some drivers that could need some tricks, i guess it would be easy to port it
Finally the long anticipated ICS will be presented to the Iconia.
Closed.
There is already another thread here for ICS
Samsung has released the source code for Galaxy Tab 7.7 kernel.
3G - https://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=search&searchValue=GT-P6800
WiFi - https://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=search&searchValue=GT-P6810
too bad honeycomb source isnt available
why would we care about honeycomb?
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too bad honeycomb source isnt available
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says who?
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-building/T4XZJCZnqF8/discussion
This release includes the full history of the Android source code
tree, which naturally includes all the source code for the Honeycomb
releases.
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It would be nice if someone who knows his stuff would explain what
this would mean for the 7.7 devs and upcoming community.
Is this release of source in any way much different, or even a first
Have similar things happened for other phones like the NOTE or SG2 ?
If you follow those links it takes you to Samsung Open Source portal.. I believe your answer would be answered there..
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I did, but I don't know my stuff.
So I was hoping someone could tell if this is special with regards to previous phones/releases, and if so, what would the immediate benefits be for the devs/community.
I guess the fact that they have kernel source to reverse engineer to a degree.. and tips are good when trying to reverse engineer it and then rebuild with different sources..
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https://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=search&searchValue=SCH-I815 - Verizon Galaxy Tab 7.7 Kernel / Platform Source Code
does this mean we r gonna have a fully function ics soon ?
hellokittyr said:
does this mean we r gonna have a fully function ics soon ?
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the source should be HC, not ICS
emprize said:
the source should be HC, not ICS
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too bad, but honeycomb should not be much difference with ICS, right?
Cell Phones: Will my Samsung device receive an update to Android 4.0 ICS?
http://goo.gl/P4VIV
Verizon:
Galaxy Tab 10.1 (SCH-i905)
Galaxy Tab 7.7 (SCH-i815)
Seems 7.7 will have ICS update soon.
but when will its source release?
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http://goo.gl/P4VIV
Verizon:
Galaxy Tab 10.1 (SCH-i905)
Galaxy Tab 7.7 (SCH-i815)
Seems 7.7 will have ICS update soon.
but when will its source release?
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Unfortunately this applies to the Verizon cdma version
wait, these are honeycomb or ics source code? really hoped it ics so the cm9 development can gain momentum.
Are we likely to see peoper CM9? This tab would be AWESOME with pure stock.
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The title of this thread should really have have the word Honeycomb in it.
Every time it gets bumped I get excited for a moment.
kable said:
The title of this thread should really have have the word Honeycomb in it.
Every time it gets bumped I get excited for a moment.
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Same here.
Get a mod to lock this thread and when ICS sources are out a new thread will emerge.
ethanmars said:
wait, these are honeycomb or ics source code? really hoped it ics so the cm9 development can gain momentum.
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The link up above you is just a post from Sammy saying that the Verizon and others are getting ICS. The source code posted so far is only for HC.
Would I be correct to say that HC source has been released?
Not sure what has changed but my google alert picked up a change in the source repository.