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Should I Make the Switch?

So my first android device I bought was a mytouch3G a few days ago. I love it, but it's just a bit slow. I'm thinking about selling it and getting some cash to buy the N1. My question is, do you guys think this phone is worth getting right now? Or is there a better Android phone out there than this one? I'm NOT going to be using the T-Mobile data plan, btw. Is there anything coming out soon that will cause a price drop?
Thanks.
edit: mods I realized I posted this in the wrong forum, please feel free to move it.

The N1 is amazing, especially coming from something like the mytouch3G. The Nexus one (tmobile version) can be bought as a Dev phone currently from Google at the normal price ($529) plus a $25 developer activation fee. You certainly wont regret the N1 if you decide to get it.
Another good Tmobile phone is the Vibrant, in general it meets if not slightly beat the nexus one in many departments even without froyo's JIT. And you can get a Vibrant for a little less then the $550 you would pay for a Nexus One.
Of course both can be found on Craigslist or ebay at a huge degree of different prices also.
Nothing I can think of that would cause any major price drops in the near future. ALSO there is the new HSPA+ flagphone that will be out soon that I'm certainly interested in.
My advise is to look at the tmobile android lineup (curent and future) and see if you know of anyone or go to the store and see if you can test them and if you like them more then the mytouch.
-Cheers

Best phone ever best android experience as well
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To put this as objectively as possible coming from a n1 user. The nexus one is a nice phone if you're very into customizing, from my knowledge of android devices, it's the top for modding. However it all depends on what you're going to be doing on the phone. For example if you're going to be playing games that require multitouch (nova) then it does have an issue with its multitouch. To some that's not an issue cause they don't game to others it is. The other major issue that I see at least for me is the small internal storage space. 512mb, really google? That's just two of the issues that I would really liked to be different, they're the only real issues for me. An hdmi out would be nice, but I wouldn't use it that much i'm assuming so it's not a deal breaker for me, same thing with a front facing camera.
But then you have things like the trackball that's nice for notifications, the screen size is just right, it's powerful and everything AND it gets all the updates first! It has a flash, the camera is pretty good actually (even though I hate cell cameras).
The only device on T-mobile that I can see as being another option would be the samsung vibrant, especially if you plan to play games on it, since it doesn't have the multitouch issue, and the gpu is really powerful. Problems with the device for me is the lack of a flash for the vibrant.
As for is it worth it? Well that depends on if spending the money is worth it and if you're going to get another phone anyways, yes the n1 is a great phone if you can overlook the multitouch issue and the small internal storage space.
EDIT: one more issue that I have with the n1 is that the audio is kinda bad, the speakers are quiet, and the headphone's sound is also quiet. Just wish the sound could be up'ed more so that it's a reasonable sound quality. Just seems more quieter than other android phones that I've had.

htc420 said:
So my first android device I bought was a mytouch3G a few days ago. I love it, but it's just a bit slow. I'm thinking about selling it and getting some cash to buy the N1. My question is, do you guys think this phone is worth getting right now? Or is there a better Android phone out there than this one? I'm NOT going to be using the T-Mobile data plan, btw. Is there anything coming out soon that will cause a price drop?
Thanks.
edit: mods I realized I posted this in the wrong forum, please feel free to move it.
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Either get the N1 right now, it's still an amazing phone, and I see NOTHING in market right now that I'd trade it for.
Or, wait several months for next gen to come out, something with an even stronger CPU, maybe even gingerbread around Christmas. And NO, it won't be called a Nexus Two.
Me, I'm wating for that second option. No smartphone/PDA on the market today appeals to me as an upgrade.

unfortunately price wont drop for a while, it's now a dev phone. but once you have it in ur hand, im sure ud feel the price was worth it. you can always sell the N1 too with if you dont like it. and if you're geek enough, have a flashing addiction of nightlies, constantly making trying out something new with ur phone, this should be it.

I was in your same position. I got the My Touch 3g 1.2. And it was awesome, but I read somewhere that it was like a mini Nexus One and that made me more curious. I sold the phone soon after, and found a Nexus One, and it really is an incredible device, with an operating system built and tested specially or it (FRF91). The one downside is that you have to worry about the Nexus One a bit more. When my ipod is dead, the MT3G was ok for the gym, but not the N1. It has actually forced me to take better care of my phone, and other devices in general. It was a good decision, for sure.
Most of the upcoming Android phones seem to be rebuilt versions of this phone, and the N1 is still expected to get most updates, app add-ons and functions first. All dual core processor phones are still a long way away and are only rumored devices. If you are extremely patient you could wait it out, or just buy the N1 and sell it in a year.

One item on the list "to consider" might be - Nexus will be the 1st existing device to get Gingerbread update, probably by a considerable time margin.

If you're not gonna use data, I wouldn't drop money on a nexus one or a top of the line smartphone for that matter.

dooo it! my touch3g is old and slow!!!!

Buying a Nexus One for $554 plus tax without a data plan would be absolute and downright insanity.

Wouldn't do it without a data plan!

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If you're not gonna use data, I wouldn't drop money on a nexus one or a top of the line smartphone for that matter.
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galaxys said:
Wouldn't do it without a data plan!
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Haha, why not? I'm surrounded by WiFi literally EVERYWHERE. Is it because this phone limits what you can do on it without the data plan, like what BlackBerry does? I know with BB, you can't use certain apps, programs, features, etc without having a data plan. Is this the same?
And I'm not dropping 500+, hoping somewhere in the 300-350 price range, used on craigslist.
edit: Also, If I wanted to add a data plan, would I be able to do it without starting a new contract? Because a dealer that I personally know hooked me up with a no contract plan for tmo ($30+tax for unlimited calls and text, but no web).
Thanks.

no there is nothing limited by not having a data plan. and if you are near wifi all day then its will be just the same. but when you're driving in your car and want to use navigation, or look something up on google maps, wifi isnt gonna help you. that's what they're saying.
and yes you can add a data plan anytime without extending your contract on most any carrier nowadays.

LOL
i buy my N1 without data plan xD
i dont regret since i have wifi around in my work and home and im outside wifi range like 4 hours at day in bus or subway.
and im fine perhaps its like kill a fly wit a cannon
i will get in 10 days my 3g plan (too expensive here >_< )
but yea after months with wifi, all its ok but with 3g AMAZING phone

htc420 said:
Haha, why not? I'm surrounded by WiFi literally EVERYWHERE. Is it because this phone limits what you can do on it without the data plan, like what BlackBerry does? I know with BB, you can't use certain apps, programs, features, etc without having a data plan. Is this the same?
And I'm not dropping 500+, hoping somewhere in the 300-350 price range, used on craigslist.
edit: Also, If I wanted to add a data plan, would I be able to do it without starting a new contract? Because a dealer that I personally know hooked me up with a no contract plan for tmo ($30+tax for unlimited calls and text, but no web).
Thanks.
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I guess anywhere I have wifi, I have computer access, so I don't really touch my phone during those times.
There's no restrictions from the OS itself regarding data.
If you want super cheap data, go to the t-mo website, set up and account. The when it asks you for your phone type, just put in a generic non-smartphone phone. You'll be able to add the $10 "dumbphone" internet, which is the same as the "android" plan.

JCopernicus said:
If you want super cheap data, go to the t-mo website, set up and account. The when it asks you for your phone type, just put in a generic non-smartphone phone. You'll be able to add the $10 "dumbphone" internet, which is the same as the "android" plan.
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Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?

Paul22000 said:
Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Scruples.
If you're on contract you won't be able to change the android plan without an ETF.
They surely can scan your imei and figure out which phone you have (ATT does this), but T-Mobile has not not started doing that yet.

JCopernicus said:
Scruples.
If you're on contract you won't be able to change the android plan without an ETF.
They surely can scan your imei and figure out which phone you have (ATT does this), but T-Mobile has not not started doing that yet.
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Because T-Mobile is the ****! I cautiously walked away from ATT and Verizon a few years ago and was amazed at what I found in Tmobile, I will never go back

Paul22000 said:
Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Nothing...many other carriers check your imei number but tmobile rarely does anything with it. Try it, the worse that could happen is they figure out you have a smartphone and bump you back up to what you are currently paying. Theoretically there is no difference between the dumbphone and the smartphone variant (im pretty sure).

Need 2nd Android phone for wife recommendations on At&t?

The wife's iphone 3g finally is taking a dive. Like to put her into an entry level android based phone that will work on At&t. What phones will work on the at&t network?

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...2&allFeatures=on&allManus=on#fbid=WbfKe3rhII7

How about the motorola atrix.
Dual core and all the works..
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Are you sure you want an entry level Android phone for her? AT&T doesn't have a particularly good selection of low-end Android devices, and of those available they would hardly compare for a person coming from an iPhone. The HTC Aria is just ridiculously underpowered, and all Motorola devices that I've used with Motoblur have been terrible.
I suggest the Samsung Captivate or the HTC Inspire. They're easy to use and you can pretty much guarantee she won't have anything to complain about in terms of speed and responsiveness.

earlyberd said:
Are you sure you want an entry level Android phone for her? AT&T doesn't have a particularly good selection of low-end Android devices, and of those available they would hardly compare for a person coming from an iPhone. The HTC Aria is just ridiculously underpowered, and all Motorola devices that I've used with Motoblur have been terrible.
I suggest the Samsung Captivate or the HTC Inspire. They're easy to use and you can pretty much guarantee she won't have anything to complain about in terms of speed and responsiveness.
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I would recommend you stay away from the Captivate, it has a few hardware issues that Samsung is not addressing. I am on my sixth Captivate, and all have had issues, and have recently switched to a Nexus One that was given to me. I looked at the HTC Inspire yesterday, it is a pretty nice device. The Motorola Atrix also looks very promising.

If you're not aware, the Vibrant's radio, although a TMo phone, do work on AT&T 3G bands.
Just be careful if she's interested in any of Google's location-based services. I had (have, sitting on my desk now) a Vibrant for awhile and could never resolve the notorious GPS issue. I came back to the Nexus One because of it.

Lancellor said:
How about the motorola atrix.
Dual core and all the works..
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Are these the works?
locked bootloader
bloatware
expensive
motoblur
apparently shipping with Froyo
Froyo (and currently Gingerbread) does not even support dual cores, lol
Engadget says the docking experience is very poor
once Gingerbread supports dual core (maybe April?), Motorola has to push the update out.. my guess is this won't be timely.
For these reasons, there are going to be a LOT of pissed off people who cough up the money for this phone because its "dual core"

I made a post earlier about the atrix . Wasn't aware dual core isn't supported yet on froyo . I'm trying desperately to avoid another iphone (cough) but cannot buy anything through att with the fear of having my account screwed with and losing the unlimited data plans. Have to buy out of pocket and $500 is a bit high for a casual android user. Maybe a used N1 is the way to go.

Big_O said:
I made a post earlier about the atrix . Wasn't aware dual core isn't supported yet on froyo . I'm trying desperately to avoid another iphone (cough) but cannot buy anything through att with the fear of having my account screwed with and losing the unlimited data plans. Have to buy out of pocket and $500 is a bit high for a casual android user. Maybe a used N1 is the way to go.
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I switched my wife's line from iPhone 3GS (unlimited data) to iPhone 4 to Windows Phone 7 and now to Android (N1) and still have the unlimited data (yes, I spoil her and she knows it ). If you previously had unlimited data you'll be grandfathered in and keep your unlimited data plan, unless you ask for a different tier for whatever reason. That's how it was explained to me, and I've switched her line a few times, and I just went from my N1 to an Inspire and still have the unlimited data plan from when I had my iPhone 3G a couple years ago.
With that being said, as I mentioned I just got the Inspire. I'm giving it a week to check it out and see if I like it. I love my N1, and it'll be hard to part with it as my main phone, but it'll stay nearby "just in case"! The Inspire seems pretty nice so far, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

I just set up the HTC Inspire 4G for a friend and it is a pretty good experience. Has a little ATT garbage on it that cannot be deleted (you can hide the icons) and also HTC Sense. Actually Sense is not too bad. It is a great price at $99 and just came out last Sunday.
PHIL

I know it is older and not supported by ATT or SE anymore but the Sony Ericsson X10 has been nothing but good to me. The guys over at X10 section here in XDA have some good things going on as far as development goes. 1ghz snapdragon, 8 mp camera, 720p video with flash, 4 inch screen.
I ran it for a while until I gave it to my wife when I got my N1. They are finishing up the 2.3 build and it is all being done with out even cracking the bootloader.

I've got a mint condition att n1 for sale in the marketplace. I highly recommend it!
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crachel said:
Are these the works?
locked bootloader
bloatware
expensive
motoblur
apparently shipping with Froyo
Froyo (and currently Gingerbread) does not even support dual cores, lol
Engadget says the docking experience is very poor
once Gingerbread supports dual core (maybe April?), Motorola has to push the update out.. my guess is this won't be timely.
For these reasons, there are going to be a LOT of pissed off people who cough up the money for this phone because its "dual core"
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check out this thread...they are saying that dual core support is there, just not for single threaded apps. So really we are waiting on developers to support multiple cores in their apps, but the os already does.

I'd say htc inspire is a good one to pick. Price of a midrange but runs like a high end. Plus htc sense is pretty useful for women in my opinion. And if you wanna change to a different rom later on, it won't be hard cuz htc is fine with customizations.
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Get an HTC Inspire. It rocks I got it on launch day and previously had a Nexus One

For the price you simply can't beat the Inspire 4G, got mine at Costco for 79.99...
I replaced my N1 with this phone and I love it..

HTC Inspire 4G the best choice

I would hang tough a few weeks and see what happens with the atrix. Depending on whether they get root and so on that would probably be the handset to have as it will probably have the longest legs of the bunch depending on how quickly multi core support arrives.

probers1 said:
check out this thread...they are saying that dual core support is there, just not for single threaded apps. So really we are waiting on developers to support multiple cores in their apps, but the os already does.
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agree.. which raises the next point that the apps to take advantage will be games, as the computational requirements for a general purpose cell phone app tends to be minimal, the bottlenecks mostly lying in the cellular connection speeds. for instance, LevelUp can add dual core support all they want, but checking Twitter with Plume just isn't all that needy, hardware wise.
from a specs standpoint, the Atrix is interesting but is basically an expensive, closed gimmick.
dual-core is an important step to push the platform & apps but we are a LONG way from a practical benefit to end users (unless you play games)

I think the main hardware aspect of the atrix that would make me lean to it is the front facing camera. If that phone can be rooted it may be my next device.

Should I get a N1 still?

So here's the deal:
I'm on AT&T, been using an Aria with CM 7 RC for awhile now. I had the Atrix 4g, but after some issues with data connection and figuring "better safe than sorry" when it came to the bootloader situation, I decided it just wasn't meant to be. Now I'm wanting something a little more after the atrix vs my Aria, but I'm still on AT&T for now (family plan), and am hesitant to extend my contract (Inspire is too big anyway)
So my question to you, users of the original Google phone: is it still worth it?
I figure I can buy a nexus one on ebay for ~$400 for AT&T's bands, and sell it again (or keep it because it's so cool) when its time for a new contract. Is it worth getting the N1 at this point or is it getting too heavily outclassed, even with development and the latest software, or is it still kicking strong and will last me until at least some quad-core LTE super nexus 3 comes out?
Thanks for hearing my rant and for letting me know!

Its lasted us this long so no reason why you wont still enjoy it too...

Keep an eye on the Marketplace forum here. You'll get a good N1 for less than $400.
They are still worth buying if you can get a bargain.

As the seasons change and I'm outside more and the sky is often brighter. The fact that the N1 screen isalmost impossible to see outside is really annoying. Unless you never go outside I'd say stay away from the N1.
Also, the touch screen is awful. Every game must have their touch controls in odd places for them to actually work on the N1. Really makes it feel like a crappy device.
I really do like my N1, but these things were reasons I probably should have returned it over a year ago. No way I'd recommend someone get it now.
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At $400, I wouldn't. Quick craigslist search shows several around the country at $200-$250. For that price I would, and if any were in my own backyard, I would probably grab a second one.

Yes its a nice phone. No I would not spend 400 for it now. Aria is a nice phone. Inspire is best deal at this moment. I don't see why u pick up a N1. U get custom roms on aria. If you want new device get a tablet. HTC flyer is on its way or Samsung tab will be out soon.
But don't get me wrong. I love my N1. It's just that their is nothing that interest me at this time. Maybe gte t-mobile g2x. It will be compatible with ATT and its dual core. The best part vanilla android. I wait though and see how it reviews.
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First, I LOVE my N1. I run the CM7 nightlies on it, I use Titanium Backup to yank core sys apps from the nightlies that I don't care about. I've got 155 apps on it (thanks to Apps2SD) and SetCPU is running the clock at just a little over stock speed.
And I get to do all that with hardly the hassle others complain of with their non-N1 phones.
The N1 will continue to hold the hearts of Devs for as long as there's nothing with better specs that's as open and easy to work with.
Yes, get an N1, but you can do better than $400 (unless that's including a car or desk dock). If/When Google comes out with a 'real' successor (sorry, a rebadged Galaxy-S isn't a true successor) just sell off the N1 and upgrade.

The N1 is no longer top in class. If you want a pure android feeling, the N1 I'd recommend. But if you want better, then I'm guessing go for the Nexus S... does the Ns have an Att version?
The best thing about N1 is that the OS is android, not some mesh of other bloatware and junk provided by the manufacture HTC, Motorola, and the service provider ATT, Verizon... Of course, you can root, and put on a custom rom, and that's all resolved anyway.
Just my opinion.

I'm going to have to go with yes.
If I lost or broke my N1 today, I would, without hesitation, start the hunt to buy a new one. Unfortunately I'm on AT&T so finding an AT&T 3G N1 isn't as simple as buying it from the Google Developer site, but I would probably snag one off feeBay.

I'd have to go with no...unless you can get it for 200-250. While it is a nice phone and holds well against these beasts nowadays I can't justify a purchase due to the lack of internal memory and the horrid "multi-touch" panel. I too am waiting for a true nexus successor (Nexus S? yea okay.) and hopefully I won't have to wait long but there are nice phones on AT&T running android so im sure the inspire would be a better pick...or hold out for a few more months for whatever monsters are announced following Google I/O

i still love my nexus one to death, and still cannot find anything on the market now that i consider better than the nexus one simply because of the whole package, color trackball, design and build quality and materials, etc. so i say you should go for the nexus one.

No. It's an awesome phone, but as others have said, it's not worth $400 a year after it's out.

I just bought one on Craigslist for 240

Good phone
I still consider a good phone at this moment and with a good price.

Just sold mine for $350 on Craigslist.
Figured that, since T-mobiles 1700 3g radio frequency is eventually going to be changed to Att LTE and the T-mobile Nexus One completely wont work once that happens, that every day I keep it is another day that the value will go down. Thought I better get out now and lock in my profit before others figure this out and start to flood Craigslist with cheaper prices.
hate. Hate. HATE to give up my $30 EvenMorePlus and $10 web2go but I'm not going to stay aboard a sinking ship and there are other options still out there for my price range of $40/month or less for a smartphone. I simply REFUSE to pay $60 - 70 per month purely on principle

Nexus S free today at best buy

Not sure if anyone is interested but the nexus s for at&t, sprint, and t mobile is free today only on 2 year contract at best buy.
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viper2g1 said:
Not sure if anyone is interested but the nexus s for at&t, sprint, and t mobile is free today only on 2 year contract at best buy.
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Also for upgrades, I was really tempted but I rather wait for Nexus 3 or what ever Nokia and MS brings to the table.

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Also for upgrades, I was really tempted but I rather wait for Nexus 3 or what ever Nokia and MS brings to the table.
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I am also really tempted but kinda wanna wait till the Nexus 3 as well. Very tempting though...

Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.

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Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.
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Heh, this is why I haven't signed a new contract in years. They'd force me to a plan that is $20-$25 a month more expensive (plus they don't even have unlimited data any more. I'm grandfathered in on unlimited). Over the course of a contract, it's cheaper to buy a phone out right then pay the high contract price and get even a completely "free" phone.

yawn..
This is how successful the Nexus S was: now they're giving them away. If it came cheap without a contract, I'd go pick one up. Nope, still rather have my N1.

adunski said:
yawn..
This is how successful the Nexus S was: now they're giving them away. If it came cheap without a contract, I'd go pick one up. Nope, still rather have my N1.
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Tell you the truth I think the N1 was a flop for Google they wanted to move units like the Iphone and have their own Web store that idea went down the drain. they didn't know how to market the Nexus One to normal consumers after few months they wanted to sell it on mobile stores for people to see and test that never happen. finally it slowly faded away to just be a developer phone, I think this time Google wanted a company like best buy to do the whole process and have exclusivity if Goole would of thought of this we would still see the Nexus One being sold for free etc etc.

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Tell you the truth I think the N1 was a flop for Google they wanted to move units like the Iphone and have their own Web store that idea went down the drain. they didn't know how to market the Nexus One to normal consumers after few months they wanted to sell it on mobile stores for people to see and test that never happen. finally it slowly faded away to just be a developer phone, I think this time Google wanted a company like best buy to do the whole process and have exclusivity if Goole would of thought of this we would still see the Nexus One being sold for free etc etc.
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I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.

Yeah. The Nexus One is unknown to the common folk.
I'll get asked what phone I have and tell them a Nexus One. The response is always, with out fail, "A Nexus what?"
I kind of like having a phone no one else really has though.

adunski said:
I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.
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Difference between google and apple is google is web base company people don't think of them as a software company for the same reason people had trouble knowing about android until verizon put the Droid stamp on. Googles marketing is too geeky for normal consumers 1ghz what? 2 speakers for noise cancellation what? Apples marketing twice as fast as your 3gs, Better graphics for Gaming, our top of the line speaker for calls period.

mrbkkt1 said:
Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.
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Yup, the math never works out. If you can actually keep a phone for two years and buy it without a contract you usually break even before two years, at least I did with my N1 although I bought a pair of those off Craig's List for $350 each.

GldRush98 said:
Yeah. The Nexus One is unknown to the common folk.
I'll get asked what phone I have and tell them a Nexus One. The response is always, with out fail, "A Nexus what?"
I kind of like having a phone no one else really has though.
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When I tell them that I have a Nexus One, they ask "Is that a droid phone?" I have to admit that most of the common folk associate the Motorola Droid commercials with Android phones. Those were pretty cool I must admit, but I'd never go with an NS over my N1. May be the TMo Hercules when it comes out, but nothing else has been enough of a jump in technology to make me move.

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I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.
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I am not sure I completely agree with this. To me, the NS was more of a sidestep than an actual upgrade over the N1. Sure, it had a bit faster processor and more flash, but there was no micro-sdcard slot and no notification led. I think they traded off some important features and put different ones in (and NFC implementation isn't widespread enough for me to consider it a feature just yet). Both phones are great, but I think I would still prefer my N1 over an NS.
And while the original thought behind the N1 and the webstore might've fallen short of what google expected, the N1 itself was considered a success by google (although the webstore was considered a failure). Why? Because they wanted to present to the world what phones could be capable of. 1GHz processors, 512MB of RAM... Essentially, they wanted to kickstart the "superphone" craze, which as you can now tell, was extremely successful. I mean, N1s are over 18 months old, but they still hold their own. Sure there are fancier and faster phones out there, but in a fast-paced enviornment like smartphones, it is pretty impressive that people are still considering buying an 18+ month old phone (and are extremely happy when they get it).
I do think the NS was an attempt at kickstarting the NFC (and to make the phone more retail/consumer friendly vs more of a niche/developer phone that the N1 was). I am hoping the N3 will be another push for new hardware and that it will be a true upgrade (in every sense - I am really hoping for another cardock and trackball) instead of a partial upgrade in some areas, but downgrades in others...

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I am not sure I completely agree with this. To me, the NS was more of a sidestep than an actual upgrade over the N1. Sure, it had a bit faster processor and more flash, but there was no micro-sdcard slot and no notification led. I think they traded off some important features and put different ones in (and NFC implementation isn't widespread enough for me to consider it a feature just yet). Both phones are great, but I think I would still prefer my N1 over an NS.
And while the original thought behind the N1 and the webstore might've fallen short of what google expected, the N1 itself was considered a success by google (although the webstore was considered a failure). Why? Because they wanted to present to the world what phones could be capable of. 1GHz processors, 512MB of RAM... Essentially, they wanted to kickstart the "superphone" craze, which as you can now tell, was extremely successful. I mean, N1s are over 18 months old, but they still hold their own. Sure there are fancier and faster phones out there, but in a fast-paced enviornment like smartphones, it is pretty impressive that people are still considering buying an 18+ month old phone (and are extremely happy when they get it).
I do think the NS was an attempt at kickstarting the NFC (and to make the phone more retail/consumer friendly vs more of a niche/developer phone that the N1 was). I am hoping the N3 will be another push for new hardware and that it will be a true upgrade (in every sense - I am really hoping for another cardock and trackball) instead of a partial upgrade in some areas, but downgrades in others...
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I own both the NS & N1 and I use the NS much more than the N1 for 2 reasons:
1) NS has a much brighter, larger, responsive screen
2) NS has more storage space (I'm aware of simple2ext)
As far as NFC is concerned, sure it's not widespread but that doesn't matter. You can very cheaply purchase your own NFC tags and use this app NFC Task Launcher developed by an XDA member to basically do any function (it has Tasker support). I have a tag setup on my work desk that turns the phones screen off when I set it down. People put them in their cars as well. Very, very handy.
Not having notification LED sucks terribly though and I hope the iPhone 5 has one so Android OEMs will start adding them again..

It all depends on the user. Depending on what you use the phone for they could either be very similar or it could be considered a huge improvement.

I totally agree. Each user is different. My thoughts were my personal opinion. For me, it is necessary to have an sdcard slot so I can have my 32GB micro-sdcard installed (since mine is consistently sitting at 2GB or less freespace). I just wish that the NS was a total upgrade over the N1 rather than a partial one. I am really hoping that the N3 will quench my thirst for a new Nexus device.
I didn't realize all the stuff you can do with the NFC tags, so I will definitely be looking forward to that in a future phone.

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As far as NFC is concerned, sure it's not widespread but that doesn't matter. You can very cheaply purchase your own NFC tags and use this app NFC Task Launcher developed by an XDA member to basically do any function (it has Tasker support). I have a tag setup on my work desk that turns the phones screen off when I set it down. People put them in their cars as well. Very, very handy.
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That is an AWESOME use of NFC. I always thought it was just a gimmick, but the ability to place tags in places like that is pretty cool. Place one in the bosses office so that tasker puts your phone on vibrate when you walk in!

Trade my Note for Galaxy Nexus or HTC OneX

Hey folks, First off, I LOVE my note. It's the only reason I stuck it out this long but to make a long story short it almost left my daughter stranded in a very unfamiliar place yesterday. I am currently on T-mobile and as you know we don't get much love as far as service with the Note. So I put up with the signal bar with a nice pretty little x in it many times because I flat out love my phone even though my wife would have 4 bars of 4g. Well this incident made me realize that while having an awesome phone that barely works as a phone or just about anything else without wifi that having service and signal is more important. So here is what I'm looking for:
Trade: My unlocked galaxy note (Currently running Asylum ICS V09) with black speck case and has liquid armor for display protection.
Want: Galaxy Nexus or and HTC One X ( maybe S for T-mobile as well )
Also willing to sell for $400 flat ( Nothing less will be considered )
So before I go to the craigslist or feebay I wanted to give my trusted XDA people a first shot at it So PM me if interested!
Hopefully I will be seeing you guys in the Note 2 forums one day as I will be dying to get my big momma back

seeing that many people complain about this, let me get it straight,:
can you not use an international unlocked phone in the states? why is everyone complaining about weak signal? it should either work on that frequency or not work at all ,right? so why work with low coverage?
either ways this sucks and is totally unacceptable

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seeing that many people complain about this, let me get it straight,:
can you not use an international unlocked phone in the states? why is everyone complaining about weak signal? it should either work on that frequency or not work at all ,right? so why work with low coverage?
either ways this sucks and is totally unacceptable
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Its not that it doesn't work. It's that it doesn't receive the 1700mHz band which T-mobile uses for it's 4g service. It will work fine on other gsm providers in US but unfortunately not on T-mobile until they convert to the 1900mHz band. So I pretty much get Edge wherever I'm at. One of our guys Bedwa has been working hard on getting it to work but there is no guarantees.

that should effect the speed not signal bars? I mean EDGE vs 4G is all about speeds
but you mention being with no coverage at all sometimes ? maybe their 4G coverage is better than 2G? is that it?
also I would suggest you change providers and not the phone ,cause you'll miss it

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that should effect the speed not signal bars? I mean EDGE vs 4G is all about speeds
but you mention being with no coverage at all sometimes ? maybe their 4G coverage is better than 2G? is that it?
also I would suggest you change providers and not the phone ,cause you'll miss it
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I used to work for AT&T so I refuse to go back to them lol. I know I will miss this beast, and I don't know the ins and outs of signal strength, I just know my wife has great service and laughs at me when I can barely send a text. If I wasn't invested into 3 lines of 2 year contracts with T-mobile however I would be gone in a heartbeat but I don't have the funds to quit right this minute. So I will reluctantly wait for the Note 2 and be back as soon as it releases

well then, good luck to you sir in buying your next phone

Both are good choices. If you like a pure experience go for the Nexus, if you like Sense go for the HTC One X.
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Both are good choices. If you like a pure experience go for the Nexus, if you like Sense go for the HTC One X.
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Yeah, I did quite a bit of research before I decided what I would "step down" to before I posted. I actually like both devices very much. They both have their own advantages and disadvantages that I can easily work with. So like I said, if anyone knows someone who has either device but wants to get their hand on a note. Im up for the transaction

If I were you I would avoid the One X. The reason I got my note was because of HTC's ineptitude.

I PM'ed you.

OP, maybe the phone is faulty? What is your location? If you have any older Android phones, put your sim card in it, and force the Android phone to stick to EDGE/2G connections only to test the signal. If your older Android phone gets a single just fine, something is wrong with your Note.
I'm in the same predicament as you in terms of being on T-Mobile. Thankfully, I'm always within the area of WIFI. In terms of GPS, I just use the lab feature in googlemaps to precache map areas....and it works!
P.S. Open a thread in the marketplace. And be wary of anyone "PM-ing" you. Take the whole sale to the marketplace before doing anything just to be safe. And pay attention to any offers you get, and the person who is making the offer and their joining date. Good luck.

I just got hold of a Note after getting the One X. I wasn't entirely happy with the One so it will be going on ebay. The One has a great screen, and the f2.0 camera lens made taking low light photos easy. The downsides of the phone however are numerous in my opinion.
Design - the layout makes it hard to wake the phone one handed, as the power button is tiny and the capacitive home button doesn't wake it. The front camera is recessed, which makes it a grime magnet. The rear camera protrudes, making it a scratch magnet
Camera - excellent lens and camera app, average at best sensor (I actually think the Note takes better photos), poor quality HD video
Sound - forget all the Beats audio marketing hype, the One X has the worst sound quality out of any phone I've ever owned. The amount of hiss/crackles coming from the DAC make it sound like a long wave radio. I use my phone a lot for music, so this really put me off the One X.
Battery - in standard form the battery was terrible. The only way I could get a full day from it was to install a custom rom, reduce the auto brightness levels (which are blindingly high by default), turn off all push notifications and disable 2 of the 4 cpu cores. It also took 4 hours to charge!
Performance - very quick, but probably too quick for what the hardware can take. The phone gets incredibly hot when gaming to the point where the screen is almost too hot to touch. If you try and game while it's charging, you'll be greeted with a message telling you the phone is too hot and whatever you're playing will be terminated.
All these things made me try the Note. While it's not as snappy as the X and doesn't have a screen that's as nice as the X, it still performs well, still has a decent screen, better designed, has much better audio and has a phenomenal battery.
I think I'll be sticking with it

I use my note on tmobile I always have service sometimes I notice 1 bar but mostly have 3
Sent from my GT-N7000 using XDA

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OP, maybe the phone is faulty? What is your location? If you have any older Android phones, put your sim card in it, and force the Android phone to stick to EDGE/2G connections only to test the signal. If your older Android phone gets a single just fine, something is wrong with your Note.
I'm in the same predicament as you in terms of being on T-Mobile. Thankfully, I'm always within the area of WIFI. In terms of GPS, I just use the lab feature in googlemaps to precache map areas....and it works!
P.S. Open a thread in the marketplace. And be wary of anyone "PM-ing" you. Take the whole sale to the marketplace before doing anything just to be safe. And pay attention to any offers you get, and the person who is making the offer and their joining date. Good luck.
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Yeah I checked into all that. When I am at my buddies house I get perfect 4g service. I just can't stand the edge stuff. However I did not realize you could pre cache map data. That's awesome!! So thanks for heads up

The problem sounds like T-Mobile. Why not use your phone on Straight Talk, which is basically AT&T. I get excellent service on my Note. I highly recommend any AT&T compatible phone on Straight Talk. My wifes iPhone 4S works great on it as well. $45 a month unlimited everything, 4G speeds, not like T-Mobile's very slow speeds.

thanks to Poisonwolf for the comment on marketplace. I didn't even know about it lol. So anyway I am no longer updating in this thread but here is the link to the marketplace thread if anyone is interested:
FS Galaxy Note GT-N7000

I'll trade you my nexus and a 16gb HP TouchPad.