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I had bought the Samsung Gtab 10.1 but returned it after two weeks when the Thrive came out.
Im kinda on the fence about If I should return it and go back to the Gtab 10.1
Things I like about the Thrive:
grippy back, not afraid of dropping it
tons of ports, even tho I havent used them yet,(keyword=Yet)
Removable battery.
different color back covers
file explorer
Things I think Samsung did better on:
better power/volume buttons (very hard to find on thrive)
speakers- are tons better then the thrive
screen- brighter, Gtab is now listed as the best tablet display, took the crown from the I Pad 2
Lighter- but afraid of dropping it because its so thin and slippery
battery life- is much better then the thrive.
So now we have support form XDA with our own forum section,
what are your thoughts? are you happy with it?
Do you think the Dev's will work on this, IE: custom rooted Rom's? (nothing better then a tweaked custom rom for a great user experience)
Im not trying to dis either one, just pointing out what I think
I have searched the net for some reviews, not many out there. I would have thought there would be tons of hands on reviews, I found only a couple of them.
What do you guys think?
Hitch
I've had the Thrive since about 2 days before the official launch and have been extremely happy with it. I think it has gotten even better over the last 2 weeks as root has already been achieved.
This is my first tablet, so I wouldn't feel right about doing any kind of in depth comparison with any other tablet, but I will say that from all the research I did before choosing the Thrive is that if you want svelte and sexiness this isn't the tab for you. If what you are after is some added functionality (i.e. the full array of ports and full size SD card slot) and don't mind a little extra chunkiness then it is a great tablet.
Love/Hate Relationship
LOVES:
Solid grip due to rubberized and ribbed backing
Nice form factor
Toshiba as a Mfr
Excellent battery life
HATES:
On/off button - very hard to find the thing!
Volume control sucks - can't use it without tipping tablet and staring directly at it with a light shining on it. Huge fail!!
Kapersky antivirus embedded in ROM - can't turn it off, and it slows the dual-core tablet to a crawl. Leaving Kapersky running makes my BRAND NEW Thrive less responsive than my VERY OLD, T-Mobile G1!!!
Might be adjustable, but HDMI screen output extends past edge of my hi-def TV
Despite this, I do like it. Wish I had done more research though... would have lowered my expectations. Tablets have not had time to mature yet. Galaxy is too expensive, Moto too "flashy" (rather than useful), Acer too klunky, Thrive needs tweaking. Nada ready to kill iPad yet, I'm afraid...
ka9cql said:
LOVES:
Solid grip due to rubberized and ribbed backing
Nice form factor
Toshiba as a Mfr
Excellent battery life
HATES:
On/off button - very hard to find the thing!
Volume control sucks - can't use it without tipping tablet and staring directly at it with a light shining on it. Huge fail!!
Kapersky antivirus embedded in ROM - can't turn it off, and it slows the dual-core tablet to a crawl. Leaving Kapersky running makes my BRAND NEW Thrive less responsive than my VERY OLD, T-Mobile G1!!!
Might be adjustable, but HDMI screen output extends past edge of my hi-def TV
Despite this, I do like it. Wish I had done more research though... would have lowered my expectations. Tablets have not had time to mature yet. Galaxy is too expensive, Moto too "flashy" (rather than useful), Acer too klunky, Thrive needs tweaking. Nada ready to kill iPad yet, I'm afraid...
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Sorry to disagree but I think the worst android tablet is way better then any I pad. My wife has the dam thing and I cant stand it, other then a fluid screen transition its about worthless, copy/paste never works, no flash for videos, no wifi widget available, no weather widget, apps suck, mostly because he is a control freak.
oops, sorry for the I pad rant, bad subject for me.
I thought it was like a $10 difference between the Samsung 10.1 and the Thrive at Bestbuy
Hitch
O Yea I forgot to add to my list of Dislikes- " THE THRIVE'S CAMERA SUX SO SO BAD" the Samsung G Tab ran all over it
I am happy with my Thrive. I would not exchange it for anything currently.
The easy to hold aspect is dear to me.
The screen might look worse than the gtab side by side, but I don't see anything wrong with it myself.
I seldom use the speakers, I generally use headphones.
So from my perspective in an exchange I would be giving up an easy to hold tablet that I can easily hookup to my monitor and usb mouse/keyboard.
i am a tech guy majoring in engineering and this tanlet beats the others by functionality. Its isnt as sexy as others been thin and all, but it is sturdy, removable battery makes it worth it. I chose the thrive over the galaxy tab for the sheer functnality.
very happy
yes very happy with the thrive. This is my 4th tablet in 7 months i been testing them out was totally new to android.
I had the cruze105 and 301, the coby 7", the elocity a7, enspert identy tab, and now the thrive.
Loving it but one major gripe......
awesome that the thrive has a full size sd card Just but it need to be behind a covered port. I have lost a sd card. I must have bumped the card while I was out and round with it and the card ejected. i dont have a case for it yet but even if i had the sd card does not fully insert.
Does anyone have problems with there sd cards rebooting because you bump card while its inside port? or while thrive is in a case
t_sandat8 said:
yes very happy with the thrive. This is my 4th tablet in 7 months i been testing them out was totally new to android.
I had the cruze105 and 301, the coby 7", the elocity a7, enspert identy tab, and now the thrive.
Loving it but one major gripe......
awesome that the thrive has a full size sd card Just but it need to be behind a covered port. I have lost a sd card. I must have bumped the card while I was out and round with it and the card ejected. i dont have a case for it yet but even if i had the sd card does not fully insert.
Does anyone have problems with there sd cards rebooting because you bump card while its inside port? or while thrive is in a case
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I don't know I didn't get a sd card, sorry I cant help
HItch
Well I have decided to keep the Thrive and Not go back to the Samsung gtab, even tho the gtab's latest update skin looks pretty cool
Since Im keeping it I have ordered a screen protector, neoprene sleeve, green back cover and stylus pen.
Now if we could get a custom rom to rid us of the OS lag life would be great
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What do you guys think?
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I'm currently in two minds right now.
I love the Full SD, Full USB, and I can see the potential of the AT100 ("Thrive" is already trademarked here in Australia), but the Aussie version is still stuck on version 3.0.1 of the OS. That version of the software is buggy as all hell! Random crashes, reboots and (of cause) the SOD abound.
While Toshiba have a good reputation for support, the fact that it's taken so long to being us into line with the rest of the world ... and every time we ask we get "very soon"; over a month of "very soon" is getting infuriating.
lichbane said:
I'm currently in two minds right now.
I love the Full SD, Full USB, and I can see the potential of the AT100 ("Thrive" is already trademarked here in Australia), but the Aussie version is still stuck on version 3.0.1 of the OS. That version of the software is buggy as all hell! Random crashes, reboots and (of cause) the SOD abound.
While Toshiba have a good reputation for support, the fact that it's taken so long to being us into line with the rest of the world ... and every time we ask we get "very soon"; over a month of "very soon" is getting infuriating.
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Go here and get a CWM update that will update you to a full rooted 3.1 version of the OS: http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/toshiba-thrive-development/1844-thrive-rooted-cw-restore-3-1-01-5-0029-image.html
dalepl said:
Go here and get a CWM update that will update you to a full rooted 3.1 version of the OS: http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/toshiba-thrive-development/1844-thrive-rooted-cw-restore-3-1-01-5-0029-image.html
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Thanks for that!
Just a question though ... there should be no issues putting this on the 3.0.1 tablet? There are no other supporting files that will get upset? (I'm not very experienced with Android and don't want to brick the device).
lichbane said:
Thanks for that!
Just a question though ... there should be no issues putting this on the 3.0.1 tablet? There are no other supporting files that will get upset? (I'm not very experienced with Android and don't want to brick the device).
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No, it should be no issue. Just remember to do a backup with CWM recovery before flashing the update. That way if it goes bad, you will be able to restore to stock.
SD Card Issue
t_sandat8 said:
yes very happy with the thrive. This is my 4th tablet in 7 months i been testing them out was totally new to android.
I had the cruze105 and 301, the coby 7", the elocity a7, enspert identy tab, and now the thrive.
Loving it but one major gripe......
awesome that the thrive has a full size sd card Just but it need to be behind a covered port. I have lost a sd card. I must have bumped the card while I was out and round with it and the card ejected. i dont have a case for it yet but even if i had the sd card does not fully insert.
Does anyone have problems with there sd cards rebooting because you bump card while its inside port? or while thrive is in a case
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Love my Thrive 16gb, I am around iPad's and not impressed at all. I am a Tech Coordinator and would prefer the android in the exchange enviorment with the Google Apps.
No problems with my sd card ejecting with or without case.
Hope you get a case soon...saw that someone has one for sale in the forum.
Loving my Toshiba, personally don't think theres THAT much of a difference between the screen on this and the other tabs, and if there is it really doesn't bug me because I think the screen is perfectly fine. The full sized USB port is really convenient for transferring files as well, because I use a Mac and it doesn't have an SD card slot and the Bluetooth manager keeps freezing.
Only real gripe is the bloody 3.1 update. It was originally due for July in Aus, then they said another week, and now they're saying another 2 - 4 weeks. So yeah, but besides that liking this thing lol.
love my thrive !
I love this Tablet ! It works amazing . Great tablet very very fast . zero problems with it . im in love,...lol
So I have had my Nook Color for about a year now. My wife had one and I decided I wanted one to root. I have been running with it rooted and got rather comfortable with it, I am stuck on Android I admit. Of course now I am having issues with the latest rooting so I am thinking "Hmm new Nook out maybe I should consider it"
So I am asking the community what is the real differences?
I know I could go online and read through 100 reviews all by different people who spend all their days with gadgets and I have no clue if they play with it the same way I do, and I am fairly certain they aren't going to hack it like I am.
So what do you think? Is it just a slightly updated Nook Color or is there more? What is making you excited that you couldn't nicely do with a rooted Nook Color? What do think will be lost in the transition? Also how long do you think it will take until there is a simple rooting solution?
Totally based on specs, the big differences are more internal memory (16GB vs. 8GB) and more CPU power (dual-core and faster clock speed). Oh, and I think the Nook Tablet does have a mic which is interesting if for no other reason than voice recognition-based input.
The screen size is the same, though I've read several articles saying the new screen is pretty gorgeous. I don't know if it's the same screen (the one on the Nook Color is no slacker!) and this is the first time some people have seen it, or if it's an improved display.
I have a TouchPad running CM7 and I believe it has the same dual-core CPU as the Nook Tablet (if not the same, it's very similar), and I can say that there's a significant difference between the two in terms of fluidity. Things scroll smoother, load faster, render faster, etc. I would assume the Nook Tablet would be similar.
So in the end it depends on what you do with your Nook. If you're primarily reading books on it and playing Angry Birds, you're not going to see much of a difference most likely. I'm pretty sure the browser is going to be MUCH smoother on the Nook Tablet, though, as is the overall experience.
I remember reading that the Nook Color will also be getting the same 1.4 stock firmware update that the Nook Tablet will have, so if you're a rooted stock guy, that's a good thing, and even if you're not it may mean an updated kernel and/or drivers for a smoother experience on the Nook Color similar to what happened when 1.2 was released.
So ultimately it comes down to whether a smoother experience on what will otherwise be similar hardware (physical dimensions and appearance, not internals) and software is worth $250 to you.
I've looked at the Nook Color and Nook Tablet side by side.
In my opinion the overclocked, rooted Nook Color is excellent.
Aside from the increased memory, microphone and faster processor, there isn't enough difference to warrant "side" grading (Not enough difference for me to call it an 'upgrade') to the Nook Tablet.
Bluetooth?
Does anyone know if the Nook Tablet has Bluetooth?
IMO, if money is an issue, buy a refurb nook color. If you have a problem with refurb stuff and would rather have a new one, spend the extra 50 bucks on the nook tablet. Some beefier internals for the money and will be more futureproof.
Sent from XDA Premium app CM7.1
Another consideration in my opinion is that ICS will come to the Tablet first. I have no inside info, it just makes sense that the devs will want to update the most advanced device first, unless of course there is no actual coding difference between the two.
The way pricing is dropping on the 10" tablets and with ICS coming I couldn't see paying $250 for a Nook Tablet that is a minor improvement over the rooted NC.
I recently picked up a new Xoom for $320 from BJ's that they were discontinuing, my recommendation is that if you can afford $250 to upgrade to the Nook Tablet throw in another $100 and go for one of the 10" tablets.
I got my Nook Tablet last night and have been using a rooted/CM7 Nook Color since launch, so to answer your questions:
1. It is *much* faster. Web browsing is light years faster, especially with sites that have a great deal of visual content.
2. Speaker is slightly better.
3. Has a microphone, which will be an answer to my Skype-based prayers.
4. Screen *is* better, but not enough better that I'd switch on that alone.
5. Rubberized bezel makes gripping a bit better.
6. Double the ram of the NC - will be important in later versions of Android.
7. 16gb storage...CAVEAT: you only get access to 1gb in stock rom. (rooting and CM7 or 8 will of course fix this)
8. It is noticeably lighter when the two are held at the same time.
The device appears to use the exact same charger/cable, and I have used them here interchangeably.
At the end of the day, it is the vastly increased speed that wins me over. Everything is faster from scrolling, to video playback (damn good), to web browsing. That said, I am *seriously* missing my CM7.
Thanks goldenu. Having someone compare side by side is very helpful. I think for me I do some browsing and such but usually I use it to access picture files in Dropbox. I don't think that it will specifically be worth the money for me to up grade. I have rerooted my NC and hopefully will not repeat the mistakes that kept killing it for me. But really the main question is how will the Nook Tablet handle porn?
There is always a problem being responsible with your money but loving gadgets. Maybe I will win the lotto and I will just buy them all, maybe hang them all on the walls and create an app to make one giant touchscreen wallboard. Ok enough day dreaming and silly ideas
But what if one has neither? The NC has just gone back to $199, but there's some money involved in rooting and upclocking--if a 4gb SD or whatever isn't on hand. Which would you buy if not full geek capable, but not too dumb to follow good rebuild instructions? That $199 is looking good all over again, but I'm $poor.
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goldenu said:
I got my Nook Tablet last night and have been using a rooted/CM7 Nook Color since launch, so to answer your questions:
1. It is *much* faster. Web browsing is light years faster, especially with sites that have a great deal of visual content.
2. Speaker is slightly better.
3. Has a microphone, which will be an answer to my Skype-based prayers.
4. Screen *is* better, but not enough better that I'd switch on that alone.
5. Rubberized bezel makes gripping a bit better.
6. Double the ram of the NC - will be important in later versions of Android.
7. 16gb storage...CAVEAT: you only get access to 1gb in stock rom. (rooting and CM7 or 8 will of course fix this)
8. It is noticeably lighter when the two are held at the same time.
The device appears to use the exact same charger/cable, and I have used them here interchangeably.
At the end of the day, it is the vastly increased speed that wins me over. Everything is faster from scrolling, to video playback (damn good), to web browsing. That said, I am *seriously* missing my CM7.
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Whoa! Thanks! THAT is what I've been needing someone to go into. Did I say Thanks?!! WaywardPilgrim, Evergreen Colo @7,500 and CHILLY!
goldenu said:
That said, I am *seriously* missing my CM7.
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So root it!!!! lol. Seriously though has anyone checked to see if CWM SD card will still work, if so I'd imagine its filesystem is still the same.
unsivil_audio said:
So root it!!!! lol. Seriously though has anyone checked to see if CWM SD card will still work, if so I'd imagine its filesystem is still the same.
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No, it will not. Different kernel and processor.....
NC vs NC Tablet
I do not have or tried a NC Tablet. It sounds good....but if you want just a GREAT e-reader w/loads of Apps (Google Mkt), both B&N & Kindle, Flash 10.1, access to internet, great screen, ......No money? Buy a referb NC for $100+, then buy a N2A card for $35 and have fun. I bought a NC new for $147 (1 year ago, during one of theirB&B specials, + got 5% off by using a cash back CC, then got a N2A card and i'm in hog heaven.. Even bought my wife a refurb and N2A....same thing. GREAT "E-Reader" w/lots of goodies.
docfreed said:
Does anyone know if the Nook Tablet has Bluetooth?
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It does, but it is not activated on the nook interface.
I think it will be activated once we get a custom ROM for the NT.
My question is:
Does it still boot first from the MicroSD card?
I have no desire to root or run from internal memory any android OS, I absolutely love the un-brickable nature of the Nook Color.
I know off the bat an sd-install isn't happening, but if it boots from sd first there's nothing stopping it from eventually happening.
The un-brickable nature of the sd boot first option is the biggest draw for me, from a developer standpoint it makes a fantastic playground where you can explore whatever you want without consequence.
Having a device with better hardware specs will make development of ICS and forward software much nicer.
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Blue6IX said:
My question is:
Does it still boot first from the MicroSD card?
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Yes, but so far it appears that the bootloader is locked down and will only accept signed images.
It it still very early in the game and only a couple people have poked at the bootloader so far so there is still hope that something can be achieved, but it's definitely a different set of problems than the Color ever had. No one has been able to root it yet either so that doesn't help either. I don't doubt that there are a number of very intelligent and determined people who are interested in the challenge though
Thanks for the quick reply.
That was all I needed to know to put this on my shopping list. Not sure when i'll pick one up, but it's definitely in my sights now.
Sooner or later we'll crack it open, as long as boot first from SD was worked into the model the rest is just a matter of time.
elbaxter said:
......No money? Buy a referb NC for $100+, then buy a N2A card for $35 and have fun.....
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Roxors of NC's from B&N are $149 now, plus the $35 for the card you have to order is $184 plus shipping.
You can get a fully rooted NC off Craigs List for $170 all day long. I talked a guy down to $100 because he tried to dump a 3rd party power brick on me. Picked up a B&N brick, (and spare cable), for $27. Put the lame 2G PNY he had in it in my Fuze, put the Fuzes 8 in my phone, put my phones Sandisk 16 class 4 in the NC, made sure 8+1 works and haven't looked back. VV0o7!
The Tablet is now rooted....... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354487
Rooted Nook vs. Nook Tablet
Hey Guys,
I just bought a new NT Saturday, it's still in the box. I've been reading a few post and I'm not sure but everyone seems to be having more fun with the NC. I went to get the NC originally but I'm a sucker for latest and greatest. I'm still not sure if it was the best choice. And oh yeah, I get one shot at this, the wife says " Make a choice and stick with it." Do you think the NT will receive the same attention as it's older brother. I'm the kind of user that likes my gadgets to do all that they can. Thanks in advance for any replies.
I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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It is a nice device. I have not used a Kindle Fire HD so don't know how it compares.
The HD+ has a locked bootloader, so it is difficult to put ROMs on internal memory. It has a system where if you change something on /system it will reset itself back to factory settings. But the devs have done a good job of hacking it and you can have it rooted and put gapps and any app you want on internal memory.
But the biggest advantage hackerwise is it has an SD slot and can be booted from SD, completely bypassing the stock ROM. And we already have a very mature CM10 on SD.
So from a hackers view, it is super.
Sent from my HD+ running CM10 on SD with XDA Premium
gunnyman said:
I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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Well, for one thing, the Nook HD+ is about $30 cheaper, but that won't help in your case since you already bought the KFHD9. The real advantages are:
slightly faster processor
screen is way better (that was what sold me between the KFHD, N7, and Nook HD+)
comes with an sd port which allows you to load CM10 on an sd card, stick it in the port and run CM10 without disturbing the BN stock OS.
If you want to run it using the stock OS, that is an option too using an alternative laucher.
the main disadvantages are:
the B&N marketplace is not as advanced as Amazon marketplace if you really want to use a marketplace (then again if you are invested in Amazon marketplace, you can download kindle app)
there are not as much third party accessories for it (such as skins, covers, etc)
they changed their data/charging cable so the general use Nook Color stuff is out the window.
If your interest really is running CM10 or an alternate launcher, you should read the stuff in the Nook HD android development section by verygreen and leapinlar as it is very advanced and has a lot of discussions. Leapinlar also has a post in this general section which would be a good place to start.
I was going to ask YOU if there was any real development on the KFHD9 ever since they rooted it back in November, but from your intro, I am assuming not.
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Well, for one thing, the Nook HD+ is about $30 cheaper, but that won't help in your case since you already bought the KFHD9. The real advantages are:
slightly faster processor
screen is way better (that was what sold me between the KFHD, N7, and Nook HD+)
comes with an sd port which allows you to load CM10 on an sd card, stick it in the port and run CM10 without disturbing the BN stock OS.
If you want to run it using the stock OS, that is an option too using an alternative laucher.
the main disadvantages are:
the B&N marketplace is not as advanced as Amazon marketplace if you really want to use a marketplace (then again if you are invested in Amazon marketplace, you can download kindle app)
there are not as much third party accessories for it (such as skins, covers, etc)
they changed their data/charging cable so the general use Nook Color stuff is out the window.
If your interest really is running CM10 or an alternate launcher, you should read the stuff in the Nook HD android development section by verygreen and leapinlar as it is very advanced and has a lot of discussions. Leapinlar also has a post in this general section which would be a good place to start.
I was going to ask YOU if there was any real development on the KFHD9 ever since they rooted it back in November, but from your intro, I am assuming not.
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There is a CM10 coming soon thread that has been coming soon for a while now.
well for me, the disadvantages of nook hd+ are:
+lacking of light sensor
+The charging cable is unique, you can't found any replacement except from B&N store. Eventhough it look like 30pin of ipad or galaxy tab, the truth is it doesn't fit.
+speaker are not as good as KFHD.
And the biggest advantage is that it can expaned via uSD card up to 64gb, so a 32gb nook + 64gb must satisfy any demand for storage.
Moreover, by using rom from uSD, you never need to wonder about the risk that your rom may damage your nook (the worst situation is the uSD is corrupted- I never see any report about this).
thegracious said:
well for me, the disadvantages of nook hd+ are:
+lacking of light sensor
+The charging cable is unique, you can't found any replacement except from B&N store. Eventhough it look like 30pin of ipad or galaxy tab, the truth is it doesn't fit.
+speaker are not as good as KFHD.
And the biggest advantage is that it can expaned via uSD card up to 64gb, so a 32gb nook + 64gb must satisfy any demand for storage.
Moreover, by using rom from uSD, you never need to wonder about the risk that your rom may damage your nook (the worst situation is the uSD is corrupted- I never see any report about this).
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AND, if you choose the stock root option developed by leapinlar and you want to return to absolute brand new stock, it is easy to do just by following the instructions for the 8 reboot. Good to know if you wish to sell it later (although I doubt if you will).
Thanks for all of the input. My wife has been drooling over the kfhd since the day I got it. I just might give it to her and get the Nook for myself
gunnyman said:
Thanks for all of the input. My wife has been drooling over the kfhd since the day I got it. I just might give it to her and get the Nook for myself
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Great excuse. You really should treat her nice. I think this is a win-win situation for all.
Only suggestion I have for you if you want to get into hacking the Nook HD+ is to either do leapinlar stock root first or do verygreen's CM10 SD card install. Don't try to do both at the same time as you can get very confused very fast.
gvw755 said:
Great excuse. You really should treat her nice. I think this is a win-win situation for all.
Only suggestion I have for you if you want to get into hacking the Nook HD+ is to either do leapinlar stock root first or do verygreen's CM10 SD card install. Don't try to do both at the same time as you can get very confused very fast.
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Lol. Yes that was my problem. But I think I've got it figured out now. And loving it. I love the screen, and the speakers really aren't THAT bad, are they? Maybe I just have Lower standards than others who complain about them.
Yes, I agree, give the wife the kindle fire and get this device for yourself. The mucroSD card booting is the reason I bought it.... and the price didn't hurt either. I've got a friend at work who got the nexus 10 and he's jealous when I tell him all the cool things I'm doing with my HD+.
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Loving the HD+. CM10 on SD card is evolving too such that much of the ROM is actually in memory now, so even faster. And CM10/10.1 is so feature loaded! And pull the SD out for a stock (or rooted sotck) experience (the reader on the HD is excellent). I've taken to using it for note taking by stylus and syncing via dropbox, its becoming an essential device for me! That said, I wish the charger/connector were uUSB, and teh dev community is working hard but is somewhat small so its not like you are going to get a lot of options. Accessorizing is a challenge too, but stuff is coming out...
I say bestow this KFHD on your wife for Valentines Day
I just bought a 200$ barnes and noble gift card from a friend for $130 with the intention of getting a Nook, I figured by now they figured out how to put stock android on it, but didnt realize the Nook HD+ was that new. I stopped by B&N very briefly and toyed with the hd+ a bit and it was surprisingly laggy, I hope that was just the store one, but I saw a view video reviews that said that the nook is really laggy. Does CM10 fix the lag. And once CM10 is on the SD card, is it really as easy as taking out the sd card and being back at stock?
CM10 or 10.1?
I've got my 32gb Sandisk C4 card and am ready to try CM. If CM10 is more stable, can someone explain the advantages of CM10.1? Or the differences? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I just bought a 200$ barnes and noble gift card from a friend for $130 with the intention of getting a Nook, I figured by now they figured out how to put stock android on it, but didnt realize the Nook HD+ was that new. I stopped by B&N very briefly and toyed with the hd+ a bit and it was surprisingly laggy, I hope that was just the store one, but I saw a view video reviews that said that the nook is really laggy. Does CM10 fix the lag. And once CM10 is on the SD card, is it really as easy as taking out the sd card and being back at stock?
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Sounds like a good deal.
I think the update takes care of some lag issues, and you definitely won't see lag on cm10. Except perhaps when switching from Portrait to landscape but I think that's being worked on.
And yes, once you are running in cm10 all you have to do is remove the sd card, reboot and it Will boot into stock (or rooted stock, if that's what you're running) then when you're done in stock, put back in the SD card, reboot again, and magically back in cm10.
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I've got my 32gb Sandisk C4 card and am ready to try CM. If CM10 is more stable, can someone explain the advantages of CM10.1? Or the differences? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I haven't actually run cm10.1 so can't speak too much on advantages/disadvantages of it, but I THINK the way it works is that cm10 is jelly Bean 4.1 and cm10.1 is jelly Bean 4.2.
If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure somebody will set me straight and we'll both learn something.
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I'm jealous of the Fire HD's speakers, but the Nook HD+ has it beat in pretty much every other area, at least if you're not shy about rooting or banging together a CM10 SD card. And of course, for the price of a KFHD with no ads you can have a Nook HD+ and a 64GB SD card to put in it. I only noticed UI lag in the store models at Target before I got them online and updated them. As far as I can see, the first post-release update put any lag to bed, and the HD+ tested really well from the start in browser speed.
And personally, I'm a storage junkie. I have a lot of (digital) stuff, and the main point of a tablet for me is to have access to my stuff, not Amazon's or B&N's stuff. The stuff I want to view on a 9" screen takes up some space, and I would get cramped with 30-40GB available on my old Nook Color. Having 60-70GB to play with is just right. I probably would have snapped up a Nexus 7 a long time ago, or held out for a Nexus 10, if Google hadn't decided that expandable storage hurts consumers wittle bwains.
I played with the nook hd + today in a store. I liked what I saw. The default interface is much less annoying than the fire.
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I played with the nook hd + today in a store. I liked what I saw. The default interface is much less annoying than the fire.
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The less you have the more you want!
I liked Android simplicity three years ago ... now CM 10.1 nightly is not enough to me
2 things that i think are pretty important; sometimes more important than the internals, on a tablet are screen and form factor. If you are going to be holding somthing in your hand and staring at it for extended time you want that to be enjoyable. I bought the Nook HD over other 7inch tablets based mostly on the great screen resolution/ppi and how light and comforable the HD feels in the hand. I have a Samgsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, but I hadly pick it up now having the HD.
I returned my kfhd today and got a 32 GB hd + so much better. Very easy to get gapps on it. Only annoyance is the white on white but I bet that gets fixed very soon.
The white on white thing is fixed. You can install a zip on this forum to fix it
I'm rather torn between the Nook HD and the Nexus 7. The fact I get vanilla Android with the Nexus is tempting but the better screen and expandable storage (either would be mostly running without the benefit of an Internet connection) makes the Nook equally tempting in a different way. Is the display that much better than the Nexus' to the point that it justifies a device that needs unlocking in order to meet my requirements?
In terms of video playback, how powerful is the HW acceleration support for the Nook? I'd want to feed it FHD videos to take advantage of the extra resolution and I don't want it choking.
I'm in the market for a new 10 inch tablet. Its either between this or a Nexus 10. I'm a little weary on getting the TF300 for some of the issues I've read about. Just would like to hear if anyone has any problems with it or not, and if so, are they bearable or fixable?
Might also want to add that I'm generally very lenient when it comes to bugs..but, having a N7, I've kind of spoiled myself lol
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Ive had mine since June 2012 and I've read about people with many issues but none of that for me. I unlocked it and I am running cm10.1 and I just love it.
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Ive had mine since June 2012 and I've read about people with many issues but none of that for me. I unlocked it and I am running cm10.1 and I just love it.
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I'm a little obsessed with buying new gadgets after around six months, so I'd really like this to last a while. Obviously it can hold against the test of time pretty well if its lasted almost a year for you lol
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On the stock rom the tf300t is almost ubearable. I hardly ever used the tablet.
I recently bit the bullet unlocked installed twrp recovery and cleanrom. It runs amazingly fast and smooth now. I was shocked when I first used cleanrom, I wasn't expecting such a vast improvement. Now I use it more than my pc.
I have the keyboard dock and would recommend it to everyone even if it's just for the additional battery life. The keyboard is easy to use and works well with a wireless mouse.
White tf300t and dock, 32gb tablet, 64 gb micro sd and 1tb white portable HD & white USB card reader / usb hub.
Only issue I have had with cleanrom is my EA Games Real Racing 2 and NFSMW won't install from the market, other than that everything else is perfect.
Word of warning if you unlock and install twrp (or cmw ... twrp is recommended) NEVER do a full wipe from the Asus recovery or you'll likely end up with a brick. To avoid this I always do a reboot into recovery rather than entering recovery when the tablet is booting (Just in case I accidentally stuff up).
Keyboard dock is great for typing, not as good as a dedicated desktop keyboard but plenty good for lecture notes etc. I tend to use a wireless mouse rather than the trackpad.
The stock Asus software is actually quite useful. I keep applocker mynet and a few others when I install a custom rom...
I have a cheap $7 10 inch tablet sleeve I bought from Kmart a cheap set of screen protectors.. I am careful with the tablet but not obsesively so. No issues with it hardware wise (I keep mine overclocked to 1.6 all day everyday).
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On the stock rom the tf300t is almost ubearable. I hardly ever used the tablet.
I recently bit the bullet unlocked installed twrp recovery and cleanrom. It runs amazingly fast and smooth now. I was shocked when I first used cleanrom, I wasn't expecting such a vast improvement. Now I use it more than my pc.
I have the keyboard dock and would recommend it to everyone even if it's just for the additional battery life. The keyboard is easy to use and works well with a wireless mouse.
White tf300t and dock, 32gb tablet, 64 gb micro sd and 1tb white portable HD & white USB card reader / usb hub.
Only issue I have had with cleanrom is my EA Games Real Racing 2 and NFSMW won't install from the market, other than that everything else is perfect.
Word of warning if you unlock and install twrp (or cmw ... twrp is recommended) NEVER do a full wipe from the Asus recovery or you'll likely end up with a brick. To avoid this I always do a reboot into recovery rather than entering recovery when the tablet is booting (Just in case I accidentally stuff up).
Keyboard dock is great for typing, not as good as a dedicated desktop keyboard but plenty good for lecture notes etc. I tend to use a wireless mouse rather than the trackpad.
The stock Asus software is actually quite useful. I keep applocker mynet and a few others when I install a custom rom...
I have a cheap $7 10 inch tablet sleeve I bought from Kmart a cheap set of screen protectors.. I am careful with the tablet but not obsesively so. No issues with it hardware wise (I keep mine overclocked to 1.6 all day everyday).
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If we're being honest, it would be unlocked and ROM'd by the end of the night were I to get it lol. So it handles external hard drives well?
I wasn't even aware the keyboard dock had a track pad on it. How well is the sound on it while docked/in landscape?
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As far as handling external hard drives, I have had no problems transferring backups of my DVDs through the USB dongle from a 2TB NTFS HD to the tablet.
I bought a 1TB laptop drive from my local PC shop and a cheap HD enclosure from eBay .. I simply searched for a white one to match my Tablet. Yeh it handles the hard drives really well.
I have a 8 TB hard drive enclosure that has 4 x 2 TB drives ... it uses USB through 1 USB port and allows the drives to show as 1x 8 gb drive or 4 x 2 gb drives... works great on windows 7 I have it set up as 4 seperate drives. It only showed as 1 x 2TB drive on the tablet (well it was worth a shot)...only picked up the first drive in the enclosure.
I use FX Explorer with the additional add ons (I coughed up the $ for these as the app is that good) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.fx&hl=en .. I access my drives on the PC via wifi using this app (looks great on the tablet).
Sound from the speakers sound great... movies can be a bit soft, depends on how you encode them.
My son is using the tablet each day for taking notes for his programming course. He touch types and thinks the keyboard is great. The additional battery life is an added bonus
This is the first Android device that I have NOT rooted.
With the ability to DISABLE apps a standard feature in Jelly Bean, I just didn't feel like messing aroun d with it since the tab runs REALLY WELL IMO with the Stock Rom on it.
I love this thing. It's plenty fast enough, runs everything I throw at it.
Also agree the Keyboard is nice even thought I RARELY ever use mine. I keep thinking about selling it while I could still get a few bucks for it, but... I just can't quite part with it.
I have a 16GB Pad, with a 16GB card in it. In the dock I have a 32GB card. I take my SD Card from my camera and put it in the dock, and bam, there are my pics.
Not to mention when the tab gets low on battery, I will just put it on the dock for 20 minutes. It sucks the juice out of the dock and is charged again. Very nice feature.
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This is the first Android device that I have NOT rooted.
With the ability to DISABLE apps a standard feature in Jelly Bean, I just didn't feel like messing aroun d with it since the tab runs REALLY WELL IMO with the Stock Rom on it.
I love this thing. It's plenty fast enough, runs everything I throw at it.
Also agree the Keyboard is nice even thought I RARELY ever use mine. I keep thinking about selling it while I could still get a few bucks for it, but... I just can't quite part with it.
I have a 16GB Pad, with a 16GB card in it. In the dock I have a 32GB card. I take my SD Card from my camera and put it in the dock, and bam, there are my pics.
Not to mention when the tab gets low on battery, I will just put it on the dock for 20 minutes. It sucks the juice out of the dock and is charged again. Very nice feature.
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How do you get yours running "really well"? I'm on stock as well - rather because I don't wanna unlock it before knowing, if ASUS will make nvflash possible or not - and with everyday using it the urge to flash a custom rom gets bigger.
I expect a 1,3ghz quadcore tegra to run a bit smoother and faster - but on stock rom it just doesn't really run smooth and fast...
For example: I use a app to record my bloodpressure over the day - doesn't really run that smooth on my tf300. Frankly, it runs a lot smoother on my desire hd. And I don't think a 1ghz cpu can beat a 1,3ghz quadcore
Also, the biggest disadvantage of stock rom: the microsd card is just a removable storage...if you have a lot of apps on a 16gb tf300 you'll experience insufficient storage here and there, especially when you're having games on it that require around a gb of space for their data.
As soon as I know whether the petition was successful or not I'll get rid of this lame stock rom and try clean rom
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This is the first Android device that I have NOT rooted.
With the ability to DISABLE apps a standard feature in Jelly Bean, I just didn't feel like messing aroun d with it since the tab runs REALLY WELL IMO with the Stock Rom on it.
I love this thing. It's plenty fast enough, runs everything I throw at it.
Also agree the Keyboard is nice even thought I RARELY ever use mine. I keep thinking about selling it while I could still get a few bucks for it, but... I just can't quite part with it.
I have a 16GB Pad, with a 16GB card in it. In the dock I have a 32GB card. I take my SD Card from my camera and put it in the dock, and bam, there are my pics.
Not to mention when the tab gets low on battery, I will just put it on the dock for 20 minutes. It sucks the juice out of the dock and is charged again. Very nice feature.
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I totally agree with you. I have not had any issues at all with my tf300. I changed a few settings in developer options and disabled a few apps (stock browser for one), but other than that, I have found it runs really well on stock everything.
If possible, could someone post before and after actual usage videos of stock and then a custom rom? Or point me in that direction? I've done searches and all I get are benchmarks, which are decent to show raw performance, but I would like to see real world performance differences (such as web browsing, or games loading and running on stock and then custom) before I take the plunge of unlocking, rooting and voiding.
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I totally agree with you. I have not had any issues at all with my tf300. I changed a few settings in developer options and disabled a few apps (stock browser for one), but other than that, I have found it runs really well on stock everything.
If possible, could someone post before and after actual usage videos of stock and then a custom rom? Or point me in that direction? I've done searches and all I get are benchmarks, which are decent to show raw performance, but I would like to see real world performance differences (such as web browsing, or games loading and running on stock and then custom) before I take the plunge of unlocking, rooting and voiding.
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I can't find any comparison videos, but there's plenty custom ROM and stock videos on YouTube..maybe can try to judge from there?
Also, on my front, I found a really cheap one on amazon and am having a hard time keeping myself away from it. I reckon if there are problems with it, there's nothing the XDA community can't solve, right?
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For perspective, I have had a lot of tablets: The infamous Viewsonic Gtablet, HTC Flyer, Toshiba's first 10" tab, Toshiba Excite 10", A500 and now currently own the Excite 7.7, TF 300 and iPad 4.
I got the Nook HD+ 32GB due to the 2.1 update and the $200 price from Best Buy. The intent is perhaps to give the TF300 and KB to my wife
+Likes
+Build.
+Display quality (it is almost as good as the iPad 4)
+Size.
+Speed: Contrary to some benchmarks, the Nook is in general faster in multi tasking than the TF300 and also is faster with FPSE and MAMEReloaded. Seems the chipset handles the higher res display better also than the TF700. Part of the problem with the Tegra 3 is the single channel design, where the 4470 has dual channel memory.
+Battery life is better than expected. About as good as my Excite 7.7, which is good.
+SD card speed seems good and nice to have (unlike the Nexus tablets).
+Not much bloat and 27GB free out of box. Pretty good.
+Nook is much faster updating apps than the Excite and TF300. Those tablets slow down when updating apps and likely due to the single channel memory
+Best sleep mode that does not bleed battery of any Android device I have owned- period. As close to iPad great as possible- for an Android device.
-Dislikes
-The rimmed bezel edge. Unlike the Excite and iPad, it seems exposed if dust or other fine debris were to get in the area. Update: Seems pretty tight around the bezel, so perhaps no problem. Update 2: A positive for the rim is the display is not flush to the bezel, so protected more if placed face down on a surface.
-Touch response is not as good as the Excite 7.7, TF300 or iPad 4. It is good, but I do notice a little difference compared with the other tablets.
-Though much better cable design than the Excite (the connector and cable is HUGE), it is still proprietary and hard to find one in a pinch. Like the Excite as well, it should have also been a standard USB design like the Nexus 7. What is the point of the special cable?
-Seems to barely be a trickle charge with USB charging. Net negative doing anything besides charging. Excite and TF300 are same.
-No side-loading of apps. I would like to install Flash and my N64 emulator, but can not. At least B&N allowed the market and Google apps
-Like the A500, there is concentrated heat in one section where the chipset is located. Gets very warm to hot with 3D games.
-No cameras (especially front for Skype).
-Wifi seems a little bit weaker than my other tablets, but seems fast. A positive perhaps for battery life.
In summary, this is a good tablet for $300 considering the display, build and speed and an AMAZING one for the $200 I paid at Best Buy (plus tax, of course). Sadly, this seems a Hail Mary from B&N and likely a last ditch effort to drive revenue and perhaps purge a lot of static inventory. They probably have a LOT of working capital tied up in the hardware and want to make their balance sheet look better ASAP. This seems the case considering they slashed the price for the week and have compromised the business model for their contained app ecosystem.
Perhaps though there may be some short-term partnering going on with Google, so you never know!
Whatever the case, GREAT tablet for the money- presuming you do not need cameras!
well, for my case, this upgrade did improve the display but it's not worth for me because some apps working with the 2.0.4 are now error in 2.1. I didn't know why but this's annoying.
A warning to those who want to upgrade: some apps may not work with this new kernel (can install but error while running).
>What is the point of the special cable?
Agreed with all the drawbacks of a proprietary cable, but it is better than the micro-USB connector in that it doesn't break as easily. I've had a couple of NC's, and went through 3 different cables that had damaged connectors, which were replaced free of charge. I can't imagine B&N were too happy about the replacement cost.
The HD+ is a superlative tablet for reading, and IMO is best for in-home use. I don't see it as a good traveling device, because of its heft, and lack of things like GPS and cameras.
>Seems to barely be a trickle charge with USB charging
It charges pretty fast for me. From near-empty to full was about 3 hours. Charging is still net positive while watching streamed videos, although I didn't measure how fast it was. I suppose it depends on the activity.
>some apps may not work with this new kernel
Yes, the OfficeSuite app broke on my HD+ with the 2.1 update.
It is a great device with 2.1 and AMAZING for the price. Two new points that I added to the review:
+Like
This device has the BEST sleep mode of any Android device I have owned. Overnight it lost one percentage point of battery and that is with wifi on.
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The wifi is a little weaker than my other tablets.
Update: REALLY liking this device! The touch response is good, rather than "okay" and I update accordingly. If I could side load apps like Flash and N64, it would be my favorite tablet. For $200, this is amazing. Makes me regret paying $380 for my 32GB Excite 7.7 now. Might even make me doubt my iPad 4 purchase a tad, but I love the app ecosystem for it.
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>What is the point of the special cable?
Agreed with all the drawbacks of a proprietary cable, but it is better than the micro-USB connector in that it doesn't break as easily. I've had a couple of NC's, and went through 3 different cables that had damaged connectors, which were replaced free of charge. I can't imagine B&N were too happy about the replacement cost.
The HD+ is a superlative tablet for reading, and IMO is best for in-home use. I don't see it as a good traveling device, because of its heft, and lack of things like GPS and cameras.
>Seems to barely be a trickle charge with USB charging
It charges pretty fast for me. From near-empty to full was about 3 hours. Charging is still net positive while watching streamed videos, although I didn't measure how fast it was. I suppose it depends on the activity.
>some apps may not work with this new kernel
Yes, the OfficeSuite app broke on my HD+ with the 2.1 update.
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It's a half pound lighter then the iPad 4. Other then lack of cameras (which I have never used on any tablet), it's very nice for traveling light.
The update has speed both my stock Nook HD and HD+ quite a bit. I'm extremely happy with it.
I picked up my Nook HD+ last night.
+ 3:2 ratio
Because of menu bars and such, I really like having a bit more height when holding the tablet in landscape mode for browsing. And in portrait the extra width still allows web pages to be readable. Comics and manga pages fit the 3:2 screen perfectly. And the tablet feels more balanced.
+ 257 PPI
Text is so sharp.
+ Speaker
I'm really impressed with how nice the speaker sounds on this (much better than the Nexus 7).
+ Micro SD slot
I have a pile of micro SD cards in a bag I don't use anymore because none of my tablets or phones have micro SD slots. Glad I finally have something to put my 32GB Sandisk into (wish it had support for my 64GB SDXC).
+ Comfort
Has a soft touch back and the bezel feels nice to hold, everything feels very solid. Doesn't feel too heavy, quite comfortable.
+ Price
Ridiculous value at the current $180 sale price.
- Performance
It's running Android 4.0 ICS and I'm reminded of the dramatic difference Android 4.1 made with performance. The UI and animations are stuttery, it doesn't feel smooth at all. But it's still a small step up from my Kindle Fire HD. Overall I'd say performance is okay, but it's a shame B&N hasn't updated this to Jelly Bean.
- Glass
The glass is untreated. It's not as smooth feeling as other tablets. And fingerprints are nearly impossible to wipe off with a dry cloth. I wish B&N didn't cut this particular corner, it's a small thing that makes a big difference. I had to put Rain-X on my Nook Color and may do the same with this (I have to be more careful though, that stuff stains the plastic bezel).
- Bezel
I credited the bezel for making it more comfortable to hold. But at the same time I'm knocking it for being ugly, sorry. Perhaps if B&N got rid of the silly hole in the corner that might help. This negative is purely about my aesthetic sense. I like the look of tablets with flat glass fronts. And the Nexus 7 managed to pull that off and still be very comfortable to hold as well.
- Sideloading
I was hoping B&N would have permitted this by now, but seems it's still not possible to download and install an APK file. Sideloading is possible if you installed the Android/Nook SDK and adb install the APK file from a PC (and that's a hassle to setup the first time). Even Amazon allows sideloading on the Kindle Fires.
I've been trying out the new stock after running CM10 on my HD+ for months (with brief forays into rooted stock for magazines), and it's generally acceptable. The 2.1 update is an improvement, but there are still things that bug me, particularly the dumbed-down Recent Apps and the inconsistency/lack of softkeys. Using the 'n' for every home-press is a step down in ergonomics and likely increases wear and tear. None of the incompatible apps so far are dealbreakers, though Fancy Widgets, OfficeSuite and Google Voice are disappointing.
I tried to like the stock home screen, but it was just too limited. Why does the OS support grouping apps into "shelves" if you can't link directly to those shelves from your home screen? Shelf shortcuts would still be a step down from the pop-up folder implementation of most post-ICS launchers, but they would be adequate. Placing widgets on the stock home screen is also finicky and frustrating, with unpredictable placement and no option to resize. Most touch elements of the stock UI and B&N apps are quite finicky--I don't know if they have smaller touch zones or what, but I find them much less consistent in touch response than my ADWEx Launcher or third party apps.
All that said, I think I can live with it for the improvements in stability and battery life vs. CM10/10.1, and access to the stock magazine reader without rebooting (the Nook for Android app doesn't compare). I haven't tried a lot of apps yet, so poor performance there may still drive me back to CyanogenMod. I may have to re-root for Button Savior, but right now it's not a huge deal.
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+ 3:2 ratio
Because of menu bars and such, I really like having a bit more height when holding the tablet in landscape mode for browsing. And in portrait the extra width still allows web pages to be readable. Comics and manga pages fit the 3:2 screen perfectly. And the tablet feels more balanced.
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If I'm getting you, I think you have the terms "portrait" and "landscape" confused. A device in landscape orientation is wider than it is tall, and in portrait it's taller than it is wide.
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+ Speaker
I'm really impressed with how nice the speaker sounds on this (much better than the Nexus 7).
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0_0 That's surprising to see. I haven't used the Nexus 7 and the HD+ speaker is a big step up over my old Nook Color, but it's also one of the things people complain about the most. I took it for being adequate but sub-par and just assumed the N7 did better.
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+ Micro SD slot
I have a pile of micro SD cards in a bag I don't use anymore because none of my tablets or phones have micro SD slots. Glad I finally have something to put my 32GB Sandisk into (wish it had support for my 64GB SDXC).
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The HD+ can be picky about specific cards, but in general it handles 64GB just fine, as did the Nook Color and Nook Tablet before it. I've been using a 64GB SanDisk UM10 since I got my HD+ back in Novemeber, mostly as a boot drive for CM10, and it works just fine.
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- Bezel
I credited the bezel for making it more comfortable to hold. But at the same time I'm knocking it for being ugly, sorry. Perhaps if B&N got rid of the silly hole in the corner that might help. This negative is purely about my aesthetic sense. I like the look of tablets with flat glass fronts. And the Nexus 7 managed to pull that off and still be very comfortable to hold as well.
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Meh, difference of opinion. I find the HD+ styling aesthetically positive but not that comfortable to hold (moot point because it's always in a case). Most tablets, including the N7, have a generic look to me, though I'd take that over the plastic lozenge styling of the 7" Nook HD.
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- Sideloading
I was hoping B&N would have permitted this by now, but seems it's still not possible to download and install an APK file. Sideloading is possible if you installed the Android/Nook SDK and adb install the APK file from a PC (and that's a hassle to setup the first time). Even Amazon allows sideloading on the Kindle Fires.
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If you do want to enable sideloading, burning a ClockworkMod Recovery SD card and using leapinlar's script from this thread (last file linked at the bottom of the OP) will require a lot less troubleshooting than getting your HD+ to talk to ADB, and of course you only have to do it once and sideloading is on for good. You can use the CWM card to back up your system before you run the script, and whenever you want to make a backup afterward--another use for all those SD cards
"-No side-loading of apps. I would like to install Flash and my N64 emulator, but can not. At least B&N allowed the market and Google apps"
With a little bit of work you can get apps sideloaded. No need for rooting either.
1) Create a CWM flashable zip using instructions in the following thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2062613)
2) Download and copy NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip file from the above referenced thread to the CWM SD card
3) Flash the above zip when booted from the CWM mod and you now have a tablet that can sideload apps and also allows install of the Amazon appstore
I am really happy with this tablet!
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If I'm getting you, I think you have the terms "portrait" and "landscape" confused. A device in landscape orientation is wider than it is tall, and in portrait it's taller than it is wide.
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Not quite. What I was trying to say is typical Android tablets use a 16:10 ratio. So a 16:10 tablet would have a 1920x1200 resolution.
The Nook HD+ uses a 3:2 ratio with a 1920x1280. So what I was trying to say is that in landscape mode you have 80 extra pixels of height or in portrait you have 80 extra pixels of width.
Ravynmagi said:
Not quite. What I was trying to say is typical Android tablets use a 16:10 ratio. So a 16:10 tablet would have a 1920x1200 resolution.
The Nook HD+ uses a 3:2 ratio with a 1920x1280. So what I was trying to say is that in landscape mode you have 80 extra pixels of height or in portrait you have 80 extra pixels of width.
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Ah, I thought maybe I was missing your point there. I agree the screen dimensions are outstanding for magazines and comics.
Is newest 2.1 Jelly bean base?
I am using CM custom roms instead of Nook original due to Nook original doesn't allow to install a lot apps even I did root.
So I am wondering is newest 2.1 the Jelly bean instead of ICS?
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For perspective, I have had a lot of tablets: The infamous Viewsonic Gtablet, HTC Flyer, Toshiba's first 10" tab, Toshiba Excite 10", A500 and now currently own the Excite 7.7, TF 300 and iPad 4.
I got the Nook HD+ 32GB due to the 2.1 update and the $200 price from Best Buy. The intent is perhaps to give the TF300 and KB to my wife
+Likes
+Build.
+Display quality (it is almost as good as the iPad 4)
+Size.
+Speed: Contrary to some benchmarks, the Nook is in general faster in multi tasking than the TF300 and also is faster with FPSE and MAMEReloaded. Seems the chipset handles the higher res display better also than the TF700. Part of the problem with the Tegra 3 is the single channel design, where the 4470 has dual channel memory.
+Battery life is better than expected. About as good as my Excite 7.7, which is good.
+SD card speed seems good and nice to have (unlike the Nexus tablets).
+Not much bloat and 27GB free out of box. Pretty good.
+Nook is much faster updating apps than the Excite and TF300. Those tablets slow down when updating apps and likely due to the single channel memory
+Best sleep mode that does not bleed battery of any Android device I have owned- period. As close to iPad great as possible- for an Android device.
-Dislikes
-The rimmed bezel edge. Unlike the Excite and iPad, it seems exposed if dust or other fine debris were to get in the area. Update: Seems pretty tight around the bezel, so perhaps no problem. Update 2: A positive for the rim is the display is not flush to the bezel, so protected more if placed face down on a surface.
-Touch response is not as good as the Excite 7.7, TF300 or iPad 4. It is good, but I do notice a little difference compared with the other tablets.
-Though much better cable design than the Excite (the connector and cable is HUGE), it is still proprietary and hard to find one in a pinch. Like the Excite as well, it should have also been a standard USB design like the Nexus 7. What is the point of the special cable?
-Seems to barely be a trickle charge with USB charging. Net negative doing anything besides charging. Excite and TF300 are same.
-No side-loading of apps. I would like to install Flash and my N64 emulator, but can not. At least B&N allowed the market and Google apps
-Like the A500, there is concentrated heat in one section where the chipset is located. Gets very warm to hot with 3D games.
-No cameras (especially front for Skype).
-Wifi seems a little bit weaker than my other tablets, but seems fast. A positive perhaps for battery life.
In summary, this is a good tablet for $300 considering the display, build and speed and an AMAZING one for the $200 I paid at Best Buy (plus tax, of course). Sadly, this seems a Hail Mary from B&N and likely a last ditch effort to drive revenue and perhaps purge a lot of static inventory. They probably have a LOT of working capital tied up in the hardware and want to make their balance sheet look better ASAP. This seems the case considering they slashed the price for the week and have compromised the business model for their contained app ecosystem.
Perhaps though there may be some short-term partnering going on with Google, so you never know!
Whatever the case, GREAT tablet for the money- presuming you do not need cameras!
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fordarm said:
I am using CM custom roms instead of Nook original due to Nook original doesn't allow to install a lot apps even I did root.
So I am wondering is newest 2.1 the Jelly bean instead of ICS?
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No it is still ICS.
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.
From a speed perspective, the Nook is overall as fast or faster than my Tegra 3 devices with JB. I use Nova instead of the stock UI.
Frankly, I have noticed no speed improvement with any of my Android devices going from ICS to JB.
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From a speed perspective, the Nook is overall as fast or faster than my Tegra 3 devices with JB. I use Nova instead of the stock UI.
Frankly, I have noticed no speed improvement with any of my Android devices going from ICS to JB.
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What Tegra 3 device with JB are you referring to? Because the Nexus 7 is a helluva lot faster and smoother than my HD+ with Nova.
You should definitely notice a big difference between ICS and JB, so something sounds weird with whatever device that was on. My Galaxy Nexus, getting Android 4.1 made it feel like a new phone.
CPU heavy apps like MAME and PSX. The Nook is faster. The Nexus 7 also bogs down when using apps and using the device at the same time. Nook so far has not. Dual channel memory would be a factor in that. I notice no difference with any of my noted devices between ICS and JB. Benchmarks I do, though do not see it. The bottleneck with Tegra 3 is the single channel memory.
I prefer using the Nook over the TF300 now and have it set to performance mode.
Debates aside, whatever BN did to get the near iPad 4 level low battery bleed I'm sleep mode should bottle it up and sell to other OEs. I did not think and Android device could be this conservative in sleep mode.
fljoe said:
"-No side-loading of apps. I would like to install Flash and my N64 emulator, but can not. At least B&N allowed the market and Google apps"
With a little bit of work you can get apps sideloaded. No need for rooting either.
1) Create a CWM flashable zip using instructions in the following thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2062613)
2) Download and copy NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip file from the above referenced thread to the CWM SD card
3) Flash the above zip when booted from the CWM mod and you now have a tablet that can sideload apps and also allows install of the Amazon appstore
I am really happy with this tablet!
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Any chance you could do an simplified guide for this? That page is a beast.I don't want to break my Nook as it belongs to my Mrs.
thanks
I followed the instructions and flashed the extras rev 3 package. Flash 11.1 works great!! Thanks!
whatagonad said:
Any chance you could do an simplified guide for this? That page is a beast.I don't want to break my Nook as it belongs to my Mrs.
thanks
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The instructions in the http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2062613 thread is as simple as it gets, anyway I am simplyfying if further. I am assuming you have the Nook HD+ 9inch tablet
1) Make a folder called Nook_Mod on your PC and download 2 of the files attached at the bottom of the post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2062613. The files you need are:
i. NookHDplus-bootable-CWM-6023-for-emmc-stock-4GB-rev3-(02.17.13).zip
ii. NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip
2) Using WinRar or WinZip extract NookHDplus-bootable-CWM-6023-for-emmc-stock-4GB-rev3-(02.17.13).zip file. After extraction you should see a file called NookHDplus-bootable-CWM-6023-for-emmc-stock-4GB-rev3.img
3) Now download a program called Win32DiskImager from http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/. This program is used to write the image file in step 2 to a microSD card. The download is in zip format, so you will need to unzip the file.
4) Get a 4GB microSD card preferably SanDisk Class 4 and insert it into the card reader slot of your PC. Once the card is recognized by your PC, note the drive letter for the card (ie E:\ or F:\ etc)
5) Click on the Win32DiskImager program. A box pops up and here make sure you select the correct drive to write to under the Device heading (ie. the drive associated with your microSD card). Click on the Folder icon in the box, right next to Device and select the NookHDplus-bootable-CWM-6023-for-emmc-stock-4GB-rev3.img file and then click on the "Write" button. It will take approximately 15 to 20 minutes to write the image to the microSD card.
6) After the image is written, exit out of the Win32DiskImager program. Remove the microSD card from your computer.
7) Re-insert the microSD card in your computer. Your card contents should look like the image I have attached to this post.
8) Now copy the NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip file to the root of the microSD card
9) Ensure your nook HD+ is charged completely and turn it OFF completely.
10) Insert the microSD card into the slot on your Nook HD+
11) Power ON your Nook HD+
12) You will soon see the Clockwork Mod (CWM) logo appear and your device will boot into CWM
13) Use the Vol+ and Vol- keys on the side of the Nook to navigate the cursor and highlight "backup and restore"
14) Press the "n" buttom on the bottom of the Nook HD to activate the selection which is Backup to backup your device. This will take a while.
15) Now press the "Power" button to go back to the Main menu and now choose "Install zip from SD"
16) Navigate to the NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip file you had copied to the microSD card. Select this file and click on the "n" button to flash this file and select install
17) After the file has been installed, you can remove the microSD card from the Nook HD and keep it somewhere safe. You might need to use this card again if you want to restore your Nook HD.
18) Now navigate to the reboot menu line and click on reboot and your Nook HD+ should boot back into the stock ROM.
Now you should be able to sideload any apps.
Please thank leapinlar as it is due to his efforts that this has been made possible. Also I am just re-hashing instructions that was in his thread, so all credits should go to him
Good Luck!
As already noted in the instructions, be VERY careful choosing the drive with Win32DiskImager, since it will not default to the sd card. You have to pick the drive on the right hand side of the app.
I personally prefer WinImage for burning cards--some systems have trouble with one or the other program.