Why does everyone give HTC so much credit for not challenging themselves? They make a midgrade product and optimize it while their users thumb their noses at a company that may make a product that is overly ready for the software that's out. Should it be Samsung's fault for raising the bar or Google's fault for not meeting them? Should Samsung start lowering their standard so they can meet market demand for more updates? I find there are a bunch of conflicting business models here.
Software compatibility and hardware aren't always the same. We bought the epic [those of us who know our ass from our hands] bc it had the right hardware to stand the test of time which in the cell phone world means at least 2 years. Its all that can be expected. The rest is hope....
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qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
Samsung vibrant 4G
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
Samsung vibrant 4G
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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Really? Because gingerbread was optimized for the hummingbird chip. And you seem to forget the nexus was debuted some months ago, not recently. And that the original evo had a much outdated snapdragon and a camera that couldn't stand up to ours even with more megapixels.
And you also seem to ignore the fact that there are some evo 3d's shipping with crooked screens.
CROOKED SCREENS
Yeh, that's reaaallll good quality right there.
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The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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Just to point out, the Galaxy S II is actually thinner than the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 is 9.3mm thick and the Galaxy S II is 8.49mm thick.. Now if you are talking about the bottom where the speaker is then you'd be right.
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qhd display, dual 1.2 ghz cpu and 1gig of ram is not good enough?
did samsung push themselves when they made the transform?
how about the continuum?
What about the infuse and charge?
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um..the only devices that samsung themselves releases are the international ones..the customized ones you see in the states are at the request of carriers..
how about the nexus S?
I thought this was suppose to be the showcase of what phones are to become but samsung dropped the ball on this one. It is nothing more then a downgraded epic! It should of at least had the 4.3" super AMOLED plus screen and have a dual core processor. Then googled might of optimized their future software on samsung specs which would of made more manufacture buy more samsung components.
No notification LED no SD card slot and you in love with samsung?
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Again..all this was at Google's request..the point of the Nexus S project also includes giving every member of the alliance a chance to make hardware and every single cpu vendor have an os optimized for their cpus..one of the biggest goal of gingerbread was to make the optimization for the hummingbird processor.
The only galaxy series phone that had everything was the epic. It had the best feel of quality, there other ones do feel cheap. It has flash, it has a front camera and it has a keyboard which I wish sprint had one without. Let just say sprint did great because I wouldn't of brought this if it didn't have a LED flash or front facing camera. Keyboard was just extra cheese on my cheese pizza.
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All credit here goes to sprint actually for requesting it like that..not samsung...front facing camera is only thing that was in the original design.
I brought the epic because it had the best hardware during that time, now i would buy the evo3d because it would have the best hardware if i had to get a phone now.
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SGS2 has been out for a while..the international one works on AT&T bands too lol..so cant exactly say evo3d is best..maybe on sprint..
an optimized 4 cylinder engine is better then a sloppy 6 cylinder. And this is what the epic feels like with the GPS, compass and keyboard issue, a sloppy 6 cylinder engine. It is minor problems and can be fixed through software updates, its too bad samsung doesn't even think twice about products that has already been released.
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They are trying with the GPS last Ive seen..and I assure you grass is not greener on the other side..every manufacturer has some sort of issues..thats just how hardware is..
Samsung should be building towards google future design. If samsung wanted google to design to their future proof hardware they should of designed a better nexus S.
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Again, not the point of the Nexus S..the only standards Nexus S was meant to set was the NFC chip and attempt at curved display. All else is cpu optimization and the rest..it was not meant to set the bar for raw power.
The only company out there that should be praised for pushing the standard is Apple. That is tough for me to say but it is true. No company has gotten to apple's feel of quality (not to be confused with build quality), samsung next gen phone is still a bit thicker then apple's even with the OLED display and the next gen resolution display are still below apple's current resolutions.
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um...you just criticized samsung for not having of, notification leds and sd card...but apple doing it is ok? and in terms of specs and release dates SGS has better hardware then iphone 4...
And as stated sgs 2 is thinner..
See its not that apple sets a standard..its more so that Apple makes people believe that something is that way regardless of whether it is or not..
Psychology is very important and you will notice that 2 things can be viewed completely different based on it...
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Really? Because gingerbread was optimized for the hummingbird chip. And you seem to forget the nexus was debuted some months ago, not recently. And that the original evo had a much outdated snapdragon and a camera that couldn't stand up to ours even with more megapixels.
And you also seem to ignore the fact that there are some evo 3d's shipping with crooked screens.
CROOKED SCREENS
Yeh, that's reaaallll good quality right there.
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And i guess from the love from samsung that you read somewhere in my rant that the evo 3d had a better build quality? Please quote where i even stated that or even assumed it. So from this statement I did not have to state the crooked screen since i never said they were better or worse then samsung's quality in design.
The nexus S came out during the 1st Quarter of this year. They could of easily used the infuse or the charges hardware for the nexus S design or even delayed it for a month if they needed too. Why be like HTC and put in a outdated cpu?
Why are you arguing the fact that HTC did it and they are evil but samsung did it and they are ok. Nexus S should be the phone showing off the companies quality. There is a big reason why most of us stayed with our Epics even though we do not need the keyboard and would love to have a keyboardless epic.
Why are you ignoring that fact about that samsung also makes.
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Just to point out, the Galaxy S II is actually thinner than the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 is 9.3mm thick and the Galaxy S II is 8.49mm thick.. Now if you are talking about the bottom where the speaker is then you'd be right.
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I haven't seen the 8.49mm depth before. Most sites are stating 9.9mm. Thanks for the clarification. This is the only phone i am looking forward too now. I just wish it had a higher resolution.
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I won't argue with you because I know that i would loose no matter how the planets align .
You right about every manufacture having hardware issues. This is the main reason I have 5 evos and 1 epic on my sprint account. The bad taste of the touch pro 2 still lingers. I just don't understand why people are knocking on the evo 3d when it is really considered a good phone and on top of that, its on sprint. Were all team sprint aren't we?
I do have to argue about apple setting the standard though. It took phone companies over a year to become as thin has apples phones. Samsung should of been thinner to begin with the nature of OLED screens being thinner.
Well i own 2 lots Apple stock so i might have to keep saying this until i sell it.
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I haven't seen the 8.49mm depth before. Most sites are stating 9.9mm. Thanks for the clarification. This is the only phone i am looking forward too now. I just wish it had a higher resolution.
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9.9mm is the size of the original sgs aka i9000, vibrant etc...SGS 2 is thinner..
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I won't argue with you because I know that i would loose no matter how the planets align .
You right about every manufacture having hardware issues. This is the main reason I have 5 evos and 1 epic on my sprint account. The bad taste of the touch pro 2 still lingers. I just don't understand why people are knocking on the evo 3d when it is really considered a good phone and on top of that, its on sprint. Were all team sprint aren't we?
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People are knocking it because they expected the Evo 3d to blow people away.when the original Evo came out there really was not much of a competitive market and people chose purely HTC...with that the Evo was the best specced HTC phone..this time around things are A LOT more competitive, you have LG, Motorola, Samsung and other players enter the market with products just as good if not better..
Also a lot of competition in the 4G sector makes wimax not very competitive..(sprint needs to go wimax enhanced already >.>)
I do have to argue about apple setting the standard though. It took phone companies over a year to become as thin has apples phones. Samsung should of been thinner to begin with the nature of OLED screens being thinner.
Well i own 2 lots Apple stock so i might have to keep saying this until i sell it.
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its kinda playing a catchup game sgs 2 will be thinner then my guess iphone 5 will be thinner then sgs 3 will be thinner...get it? there are more factors though that go into this then just the screen..for one that thinness could have been done if they took out the sd card port..but would we want that? Apple had to do sacrifices on the Antenna to accomplish that thinness at the time..so whether it was worth it or not is another story..at what point do we go.."this is thin enough" lol
btw apple actually increased thickness on white iphone 4...
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btw apple actually increased thickness on white iphone 4...
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No, they didn't. that was a fallacy. White and black iPhones have been measured side by side with micrometers on several sites disproving this.
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Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx3pdWBlZ34&feature=player_embedded
SDK:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3.html
Here's hoping we get some ROM's soon!
Nexus S:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-nexus-s-with-gingerbread.html
"Nexus S is the first smartphone to feature a 4” Contour Display designed to fit comfortably in the palm of your hand and along the side of your face. It also features a 1GHz Hummingbird processor, front and rear facing cameras, 16GB of internal memory, and NFC (near field communication) hardware that lets you read information from NFC tags..."
The phone is pretty much a Vibrant with a front camera and NFC. Hopefully we can get some drivers for the new BT, WIFI and GPS.
Now, we wait for Samsung to begin releasing source for the galaxy s platform, right?
Since 2.2 has gone so slow for the Vibrant, I wonder how long we'll have to wait.
Video of the advertisement for the NS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUXulxE5o0&feature=player_embedded#at=53
Look at the camera layout, same as the Galaxy S. I don't know. I have a feeling we're gonna have a good port.
^ I got that same good feeling.
^ I just feel that same tingling goodness for port. Can feel how TW, Eugene, and other devs are getting ready.
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone&phone=nexus-s
Comparison Chart.
It's the same damn phone, lol.
I hope getting the BT/WIFI/GPS to work isn't an issue. If we can get CM, Eugene or TW to get a stock GB port, I'd be in heaven.
I was just about to post the same link, ha
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone
Great minds think alike. Speaking of great minds, I hope some of the devs are around to see this. Those guys move fast.
I'm pretty sure since CM likes Dev phones, once the NS goes on sale he will work on it and whatever he does with that is likely to get pushed to us.
Eugene is fast though, I'm sure he already built a ROM for it!
Wow to 2.3.
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Koush I know has already ordered one, per a tweet. Team douche may not be able to keep their hands off this samsung.
I notice on the tech specs it doesn't even record 720p video? I guess it'll be easily hackable to do it, but still...
If it's just a vibrant with a working GPS, FFC, and LED flash, I'm all over it lol.
Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.
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Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.
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According to engadget it has a 4-inch WVGA display...
Does the S not have an sd card slot? Very.. Very odd.
,Alright time for samsung to release some freaking code.
The phone is quite a let down, but this is necessary. Google needs to use devices that have specs in the wild. Coding on a phone with a dual 1.2 GHz processor with next gen GPU and tons of RAM would only make for an OS that is expensive to build phones for, and an OS that cannot be easily backported to older/supported devices.
That being said, I'm not touching it. Too bad it's not Moto or HTC. Samsung is out, AFAIC.
Apple is about to refresh the iPad, so Android Tablet will face tough competition there.
With the release of WP7, and the patch coming up, Android phone manufacturers are going to start facing stiff competition from low-cost builders like Acer, etc. for the phones, especially since those phones do not require anything near the in-house developer work that Android phones need. They need to start standardizing the hardware better so that the end-user experience is better (update, etc.) and the the performance and developer experience can compare to that of WP7 and iOS.
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I notice on the tech specs it doesn't even record 720p video? I guess it'll be easily hackable to do it, but still...
If it's just a vibrant with a working GPS, FFC, and LED flash, I'm all over it lol.
Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.
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I don't see anything wrong with the Vibrant's screen. Responsive, sexy, sleek.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Vibrant screen a lot. The ONLY gripe I have with it is the pentile matrix, which makes text look grainy/fuzzy compared to normal LCDs. It's not an AMOLED thing, it's their decision of RGBG instead of RGB for each pixel (technically RGBG is 2 pixels). The Nexus One has the same type of thing, but the screen is 3.7" so it's not as noticeable. On a 4" screen it's much more pronounced... I suggest you don't compare text to an iPhone or MT4G so you don't get annoyed when you see what I'm talking about =)
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I don't see anything wrong with the Vibrant's screen. Responsive, sexy, sleek.
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S doesn't have an SD. With built in Apps2SD, I guess they felt they didn't need it. 16GB is a lot of space.
::shrug::
I'm not getting the S. I was going to if it was dual core but there is no need to now. My Vibrant will morph into a Nexus S shortly...
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Don't get me wrong, I like the Vibrant screen a lot. The ONLY gripe I have with it is the pentile matrix, which makes text look grainy/fuzzy compared to normal LCDs. It's not an AMOLED thing, it's their decision of RGBG instead of RGB for each pixel (technically RGBG is 2 pixels)
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Ah, I only notice that once in a while. I have bad eyesight anyway!
2.3 focus is on games and multimedia. I can't wait to see the Apps and games!
here is the link to the nexus s...
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/features
the phone is sexy but sucks i cant get it at tmobile stores. cause my upgrade isnt due till october of next year. i dont think best buy would let me upgrade early.
Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
i love it, i want it.
however i dont want tmobile nor at&t
TheBiles said:
Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
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I must say it looks quite nice in person. My friend works for google and showed me his Nexus S.
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I must say it looks quite nice in person. My friend works for google and showed me his Nexus S.
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Oh, no doubt that it is a "pretty" device, but I actually use my phone instead of spending the day gawking at it. I don't want to pay $500 for something only to have it feel like cheap plastic.
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Oh, no doubt that it is a "pretty" device, but I actually use my phone instead of spending the day gawking at it. I don't want to pay $500 for something only to have it feel like cheap plastic.
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I didn't feel that it felt any better or worse to my EVO with regards to how cheap it felt. They both seem a bit "plasticky" for my taste.
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Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
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You won't see dual cores from HTC until we near the summer. Samsung is actually probably the closest.
As for the Nexus S. I think it's alright, nothing revolutionary but I'd still consider it the best phone on the Market the day it's released. The Hummingbird is the current undisputed champ in the mobile CPU/GPU game. A 4" SAMOLED is near the top, better display than the EVO's at least. NFC chip + Gyroscope. The cameras on the Galaxy S are currently the best on any Android phone so the Nexus S shouldn't be any different. I also believe that the GPS chip was replaced so no SGS GPS horror show. So hardware wise it's not a huge leap but only a (very) small evolutionary step forward from what was the top spec'd Android phone.
Build is 50/50, I think this is a slick looking shape. Very thin, some nice curves but the plastic is a step down from the Nexus X. That said, our EVOs are pretty much 100% plastic as well so who am I to judge.
The big thing though is quick, straight from Google, Android updates; and that pretty much puts it on top of any Android phone IMO.
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Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
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I have yet to see a samsung device I was impressed with. The galaxy looked nice til I held one. I'll wait for HTC's next release....though, I do wish they would release one with straight Android on it, and no sense overlay, so that we could get our updates straight from google.
i kinda like it but it has a average processor and doesnt have HSPA+.
looks cheap and i think there is no SDCARD support ? if so that's a deal breaker for me
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no sdcard kinda sucks but it has 16GB built in.
ok just found out it doesnt have any notification LEDs. i dont understand that.
well i would never get it, I have been trying to root my girls epic and with custom recovery for ages( finally got it last night) hacking on samsung is not that fun
Also does has the CM team ever done a sammy phone that will be a sign if one of us on the fence people would want to get one
Also GPS on the my girls epic is horrid at most times, Wonder if google who is big into location based- services is going to like not getting a lot of data back on their flagship phone
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i kinda like it but it has a average processor and doesnt have HSPA+.
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whoa whoa whoa hollllld up.... For real?? If this is true i just lost all interest in it lol i was using HSPA+ & Pure Google as my motivation...
:x it is true, not that i doubted you but i really was hoping you were wrong lol.
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Personally, I think it's just another plain-Jane Galaxy S phone. It has the same horrid, cheap, plasticy feeling apparently, and the specs are nothing out of the ordinary. No dual-core processor or anything exciting. I cannot wait for HTC's next offering, because their build quality is sooo superior to Samsung's, and it will most likely have the new dual-core processors.
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I guess my Evo having light leakage is considered superior build quality. Anyway I wouldn't buy any phone with the name Samsung attached to it. I wouldn't even buy a Samsung toaster for my kitchen with my past experiences.
I'd still get an HTC device as my next phone so we'll see how it goes.
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well i would never get it, I have been trying to root my girls epic and with custom recovery for ages( finally got it last night) hacking on samsung is not that fun
Also does has the CM team ever done a sammy phone that will be a sign if one of us on the fence people would want to get one
Also GPS on the my girls epic is horrid at most times, Wonder if google who is big into location based- services is going to like not getting a lot of data back on their flagship phone
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Don't really need a CM team for nexus s. It is stock. Same as N1. Will be what rooting and everything is based on from 2.3 and on.
Also as far as gps issues and any issues go, everything will be updated through google, not samsung. The only reason I hated epic and any of the samsung phones was the updates, Samsung is just ****ty when it comes to updates. But this changes that, everything will be done through google.
Tbh, the phone is 10x better then evo. Hardware wise and software wise. Nexus S will become the standard of rooting and any mods, just like N1 did. The cpu/gpu is better, the camera is better, the screen is better, its smaller in weight and size (the only part that sucks is that its 4.0, and not 4.3).
All in all it's a better phone when it comes to hardware, and the software is backed by google.
Wait...no 720p recording? Ill pass....
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Not having HSPA+ is crazy though. HSPA only goes up to 7.2 and thats peak. HSPA+ has the potential of 20 at its peak and maybe more with a software update. Maybe thats why it get 17 DAYS STANDBY. I still kinda want one though.
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Don't really need a CM team for nexus s. It is stock. Same as N1. Will be what rooting and everything is based on from 2.3 and on.
Also as far as gps issues and any issues go, everything will be updated through google, not samsung. The only reason I hated epic and any of the samsung phones was the updates, Samsung is just ****ty when it comes to updates. But this changes that, everything will be done through google.
Tbh, the phone is 10x better then evo. Hardware wise and software wise. Nexus S will become the standard of rooting and any mods, just like N1 did. The cpu/gpu is better, the camera is better, the screen is better, its smaller in weight and size (the only part that sucks is that its 4.0, and not 4.3).
All in all it's a better phone when it comes to hardware, and the software is backed by google.
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so a new flagship phone has better hardware than evo........also if cm is not needed then why do people use it anyways, and im talking about us here aroind xda
Samsung Epic 4G, WiMAX Galaxy S II and more tipped for Q3 launch
Details of a number of new CDMA phones have leaked, including the Samsung Epic 2 and what could well be the WiMAX version of the Samsung Galaxy S II, aka the “Galaxy Within.” According to This is my next‘s source, the Epic 2 – which will replace last year’s Epic 4G – with a 4-inch display, 1.2GHz single-core Hummingbird processor and an 8-megapixel camera, as well as a slide-out QWERTY keyboard of course, will drop sometime in Q3 2011.
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Leaked Handset Roadmap Includes Epic 2, Possible Galaxy S II for US Market
let’s talk a little bit more about the Samsung Epic 2. The original device you can get a real good look at on SlashGear in the original Epic 4G Review by Vince. Then come back here and listen to this: the new model is said to be carrying a 4-inch display, a 1.2GHz single-core Hummingbird processor almost certainly along the lines of the rest of the 1.2 GHz processor carrying Samsung devices of late, plus a lovely 8-megapixel camera on the back. The improvements, therefor, lie in the processor grabbing an extra .2 and the camera on the back adding a few megapixels.
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yeah i heard about the epic 2.. but I want that galaxy II BEFORE they release a galaxy III! 2012 will be samsungs year especially if they get CM team on board, you'll see a lot of htc devs jump ship.
I'm holding out for a 4.3" screen with a keyboard from Samsung. I couldn't really care any less about the number of processors.
i don't think it will be an "epic 2" though. i'm positive there's no keyboard.
Single core :-(
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Ugh ... that phone sounds horrible ! Wtf ...
So sounds like it will be pretty much the same phone but with a higher clocked processor and an 8 mp camera. Obviously not worth upgrading if you already have an epic, but maybe this will extend the updates life of the original epic even more if the rest of the hardware is identical.
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Ugh ... that phone sounds horrible ! Wtf ...
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Better than what you got right now!
Plus if it comes to Samsung Attention im sure they'll hold it back and do some tweaking like DUAL CORE if their Smart enough which i highly doubt it.
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I'm holding out for a 4.3" screen with a keyboard from Samsung. I couldn't really care any less about the number of processors.
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+1 on the 4+" screen size, I need more screen realistate! 4" just isn't cutting it for me anymore.
SAMOLED+ on the 4.3-4.5" screen would be nice too!
ghostrid3r said:
+1 on the 4+" screen size, I need more screen realistate! 4" just isn't cutting it for me anymore.
SAMOLED+ on the 4.3-4.5" screen would be nice too!
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The Evo is 4.3" I really dont see a huge difference. its not like a whole 1" Differnece.
Boy...this would really be a dumbed down version of what Samsung touts as the SGSII. Can Sprint really bastardize a phone this much??!!
I mean, look at the differences between what Samsung has listed and what's listed above:
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/feature.html
--Single vs. Dual-core
--Slide out keyboard vs. not
--4.0" vs. 4.3"
--and on and on and on
Be sure to click on the Specifications tab at the top too
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Boy...this would really be a dumbed down version of what Samsung touts as the SGSII. Can Sprint really bastardize a phone this much??!!
I mean, look at the differences between what Samsung has listed and what's listed above:
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/feature.html
--Single vs. Dual-core
--Slide out keyboard vs. not
--4.0" vs. 4.3"
--and on and on and on
Be sure to click on the Specifications tab at the top too
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The Epic 2 has nothing to do with the Galaxy S II. Its a completely different phone. The Samsung/Sprint Within is the Galaxy S II version coming to sprint.
hayzooos said:
Boy...this would really be a dumbed down version of what Samsung touts as the SGSII. Can Sprint really bastardize a phone this much??!!
I mean, look at the differences between what Samsung has listed and what's listed above:
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/feature.html
--Single vs. Dual-core
--Slide out keyboard vs. not
--4.0" vs. 4.3"
--and on and on and on
Be sure to click on the Specifications tab at the top too
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I think you are overreacting a bit. Reading the story, it seems there are 2 samsung phones, one is an iteration on the Epic and the other is the "Full Touch". I would say that is the phone to compare to the SGS II.
What a Epic 2 could mean is the two phones are similarly spec'd, it could put the Epic 1 on a path to receiving android updates for another year.
It looks better than the Epic no doubt ... but it's not that good for a phone dropping in E3 Sammy + Sprint are all ready planning on screwing this phone over i can feel it.
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I think you are overreacting a bit. Reading the story, it seems there are 2 samsung phones, one is an iteration on the Epic and the other is the "Full Touch". I would say that is the phone to compare to the SGS II.
What a Epic 2 could mean is the two phones are similarly spec'd, it could put the Epic 1 on a path to receiving android updates for another year.
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Especially if its still a single core.
Ah, why would sammy go and screw this phone over like that? This was the phone of the year, lol, it should top all phones out there just like this one did.
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I wish Samsung would have reworked their keyboard on the EPIC II to make it more user friendly. The keys on the Epic seem hard and sticky whereas the keyboard on the HTC Arrive was a lot smoother.
Hopefully the "EPIC III" fixes this issue.....
Nice find, the Epic 2 doesn't sound so Epic compared to the Within. It seems like Samsung is just improving the Epic just like the Samsung Transform was a supped up Moment. Guess we should all start getting used to Swype if we want high-end phones.
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Nice find, the Epic 2 doesn't sound so Epic compared to the Within. It seems like Samsung is just improving the Epic just like the Samsung Transform was a supped up Moment. Guess we should all start getting used to Swype if we want high-end phones.
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Yeah but the Transform was the "BABY" Epic and the Intercept was the 2nd Gen Moment but failed to be a successor to it.
I hate it how sprint pulls the moment/intercept/transform on us >.>
I had hopes they would spec bump the Epic 2 with the SGS2 specs..but this is sad...really not worth upgrading over :/..at best it might be worth it if you get sprint to replace your epic with this I guess..but overall I am disappointed :/
Still, i feel the epic is still top of the line, its the first phone that they got all the hardware correct on, not leaving things out
An epic 2 should hold the name epic by having the same hardware as ours but with dual core 1.4ghz, 8mp,1.3 front facing, 4" or 4.3 inch screen and keyboard with 16gb onboard memory
^^^^This would be a truly epic phone and i would pay for it no matter the cost
But lets get back to reality i think the best phone with the hardware we want including keyboard is the epic, i dont think there will be another one that can top the epic from sprint/samsung or sprint/htc.
SamFirmware confirm. Also confirm that the Nexus prime will be made by Samsung.
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/8242490-upgraded-galaxy-s-ii
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The site isn't currently working for me but it'll probably be the same in specs but with a 4G radio.
Says 1.5 duo core - 4.5 screen - 1850 battery - 4G - rest is the same as the one we all have now.
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Many sources available now:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-confirms-revamped-galaxy-s-ii-and-galaxy-tab-8-9-with-lte-support/
http://sammyhub.com/2011/08/26/samsung-confirms-galaxy-s-ii-with-lte/
http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/26/samsung-galaxy-ii-galaxy-tab-8-9-shown-lte-ifa-week/
And more rumours about Nexus Prime:
http://www.gsmarena.com/thank_you_samsung_for_confirming_nexus_prime_is_yours-news-3051.php
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/samsung-accidentally-confirmed-the-nexus-prime-20110825/
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/8242870-samsung-will-make-the-nexus-prime
Its named Celox..
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Says 1.5 duo core - 4.5 screen - 1850 battery - 4G - rest is the same as the one we all have now.
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Ahh I see. I saw the leaked photo of the US Galaxy S2 family and while they're all nice I can't help but think the International version looks better. Plus I'm not sure whether I'd fancy the bigger screen, 4.3" seems to be the sweet spot for myself.
Here we are, with our SGSII's... as early adopters....
And now they release what it probably should have been in the first place with proper firmware probably.
Oh well, it's always the same
good bye SGS2 !
wait until they are benchmarked and the first problems arise.
I wonder if it's a Qualcomm SOC or Exynos. Exynos demolishes Qualcomm's offerings at the moment
honestly, the pace at which android phones are being upgraded is dizzying. This is one of the reasons many stick with the iphone. This is giving me crazy phone upgrade cravings :|
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honestly, the pace at which android phones are being upgraded is dizzying. This is one of the reasons many stick with the iphone. This is giving me crazy phone upgrade cravings :|
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Might as well dust off the 'ol 3310 then....
You can always eBay your sgs2 and pick up one sim unlocked nexus prime, the sgs2 should hold its value well and you should be able to cover a good chunk of the cost
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honestly, the pace at which android phones are being upgraded is dizzying. This is one of the reasons many stick with the iphone. This is giving me crazy phone upgrade cravings :|
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And this is a bad thing in your world...yes???
...with an iPhone upgrade due any time now too??
Its good and bad at the same time I think. Gonna stick it out for a long yime with the sgs2 but the cravings will persisy unfortunately. No cravings yet though, love this phone.
agreed to #15.
1) is there a need for another 0.2" of screen estate?
my take : 4.3" sgs2 is the sweet spot for me. i have trouble swiping my thumb across the whole screen already.
2) is there a need for an extra 0.3mhz of processor or 1850mah battery?
my take : setcpu is the answer.
extended battery pack aren't expensive on ebay.
My opinions
The extra processing power and screen estate will nullify the increase in capacity of batt. furthermore, the perennial dual core issue is still unfixed in 2.3.4. and samsung have the balls to release another "beta" phone.
my hunch
samsung is trying hard to best iphone5 and downplay it's "wow factor" in sept. notice the link? 4.5, dual core 1.5, it's all marketing numbers. like megapixel wars. no doubt, people will start comparing iphone 5 with 4.5" S2 in terms of raw power. that's what sammy wants.
but for what apple did, whoring over patents. go smash iphone5 to pieces man, sammy. we'll love a phone war anytime.
conclusion
4.5" S2 is a marketing gadget.
SGS2 has already covered much that we (a typical consumer) need.
If there's anything to look, go for tablets tegra kai-el releasing in a few months time.
I'm sure 4.5" S2 would look like phone drenched in cat piss in a few months time.
go for 4.5" S2 if...
you want lte.
you want nfc. ironically 4.3" S2 korea has it.
you use gadgets, not the other way around! ^^;
If they improve the sound quality and Supercurio brings voodoo to it, I'll be all over it.
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1) is there a need for another 0.2" of screen estate?
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conclusion
4.5" S2 is a marketing gadget.
SGS2 has already covered much that we (a typical consumer) need.
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Decent analysis and I think I pretty much concur. However, I don't think (and I'm not suggesting that you do either) that Samsung are doing this to piss off early adopters or force us to upgrade - they haven't even changed the name for starters, so there is no real sense of this being something new.
Marketing gimmick? Possibly, but only hardcore techies are going to be influenced by the marginal increase in specs.
So I suspect that the bits they use to make the device have moved on - if you can get a 4.5" screen at the same price as the old 4.3", why not use it...?
This is a gentle evolution in my book, not a massive statement.
If you have a GS2 there is no reason at all to go for that phone, a 4.5" screen imo will make the phone a little on the large side and this phone can be over-clocked if desired, I don't see the point of it.
What about SUPER AMOLED HD display that was talked about ??
Anyone thinking about updating to a Samsung model? The larger screen and faster processing is nice. Lots of speed, quick downloads and community support.
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Anyone thinking about updating to a Samsung model? The larger screen and faster processing is nice. Lots of speed, quick downloads and community support.
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I agree with that but they are mostly made of plastic. I still prefer HTC phones because of the aluminum unibody build and sleek design.
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Anyone thinking about updating to a Samsung model? The larger screen and faster processing is nice. Lots of speed, quick downloads and community support.
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I own two Captivates and a Nexus One. I would not recommend switching to Samsung. I have been so dissatisfied with my Captivate that I am holding out on my upgrade and passing up the SGS2 and Skyrocket in hopes that HTC will deliver something of decent quality on ATT. I've even contemplated switching my main phone back to the Nexus One until something better arrives.
The fact that I'm still stuck on Froyo is absolutely ridiculous. If the Captivate was a low grade phone that would be one story. But the Galaxy S line was a premier lineup when it was released. If you want to feel cheated by a company, join up with Samsung.
Yes there are custom ROMs but without the release of source code they all have problems and bugs. I ran GB through Apex for a long time but eventually got tired of the phone dialer apk crashing every day. Also, some people can't use custom ROMs due to work and Android development is important to them.
I'll admit there are things I like about my Cappy: Super AMOLED screen, screen size, overall smooth performance, plenty of dev work on Samsung phones. But the lack of Android support by Samsung, the poor GPS performance with no fix, and the random shut down problems left a very bad taste in my mouth.
Not to mention, the nice feel of a sturdy metal HTC phone is miles beyond the cheap plastic feel of a Samsung phone. Just trying to give my 2 cents. I'd be glad to share any of my experiences in as much of a non biased way as I can.
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I agree with that but they are mostly made of plastic. I still prefer HTC phones because of the aluminum unibody build and sleek design.
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i have had great luck with the tmo sgs2. it's build quality, though plastic, it quite good.
imho
Yeah, I'm waiting for a good HTC phone to come out to replace my N1. I can't stand the plasticy feel of the SGII or the Galaxy Nexus.
Hopefully, we'll see something good from HTC during CES next week. I've heard rumors of a quad-core HTC phone. Let's hope so.
I had the Samsung Galaxy S II LTE from Rogers and the phone felt so plasticky. There's nothing appealing about Samsung devices. Their RF and call quality are poor. I ended up getting the HTC Amaze and I have no regrets. The build quality on the Amaze trumps any Samsung. Call quality & RF is much better. I'm hoping HTC will announce the rumored HTC Edge quad-core next week. It's too bad Google switched to Samsung to make their devices. I'm not impressed with the build quality of the Galaxy Nexus. It feels plasticky. I prefer the solid feel of a device even if it weighs more.
I will at least concede that the plastic was sturdier than I thought. I've had my Captivate since July 2010 and it has survived some big falls and hits. However, the lack of support from Samsung is just too much for me to overcome.
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Hopefully, we'll see something good from HTC during CES next week. I've heard rumors of a quad-core HTC phone. Let's hope so.
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I've seen some rumors that would point to this as well but I have a feeling it will still be a plastic styled phone. It wasn't until late December when HTC announced they were going to change their focus in 2012 to produce better quality builds and get away from the cheap feeling phones. I find it hard to believe they would wait so long for that announcement and then have a non-plastic phone at CES.
But who knows...if they do, I will be excited. I just sold my Nexus One today and it hurt a little inside. Such a good phone with a great feel and quality build. Would love to have another HTC in my pocket to replace the Samsung.
HTC vs. Samsung
body vs. screen
looks vs. graphics performance
I'm waiting for the coming wave. The OG Droid opened the doors for the 2010 wave, but the N1 was the best buy two years ago because it was the first that could stand in line with the new wave of superphones (1 GHz, OLED, etc.). The GN may have started the new wave of 2012, but it's not gonna stand with the rest of the quad-cores (and it's missing external storage?!??!).
I'm still waiting. Next wave is a new day for competition between HTC and Samsung. I'm excited.
WiW said:
HTC vs. Samsung
body vs. screen
looks vs. graphics performance
I'm waiting for the coming wave. The OG Droid opened the doors for the 2010 wave, but the N1 was the best buy two years ago because it was the first that could stand in line with the new wave of superphones (1 GHz, OLED, etc.). The GN may have started the new wave of 2012, but it's not gonna stand with the rest of the quad-cores (and it's missing external storage?!??!).
I'm still waiting. Next wave is a new day for competition between HTC and Samsung. I'm excited.
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Agreed, Tegra 3 phones may start the new wave with the 5th low power core. Seems fairly revolutionary to me.
A friend has a galaxy note and loves it. The fonts are larger on the home screen for vision impaired. This week is CES so maybe HTC will have some surprises.
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Yeah, I'm waiting for a good HTC phone to come out to replace my N1. I can't stand the plasticy feel of the SGII or the Galaxy Nexus.
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Well HTC released the amazed 4g great looks and build quality. Now if your waiting for a HTC with plain android you might have to wait a while.
NEVER! Their phones are made of cheap plastic. After spending so much on a phone, you atleast would like to get a good feel of the phone....not like the ones samsung makes.
HTC Rocks....All time!!! They know how to make phones.
I switched from my much loved N1 to the Galaxy Nexus, and I'm pleasantly surprised! There are things about the GN I don't care for, but I can't see me switching back...
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I switched from my much loved N1 to the Galaxy Nexus, and I'm pleasantly surprised! There are things about the GN I don't care for, but I can't see me switching back...
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Can you elaborate?
Specifically, does it fit in your pocket? front pant's pocket? (trousers )
Which case do you use?
Thanks
I don't use a case, and it fits in my pocket perfectly. In fact, I had an issue with the N1 falling horizontal in my pocket, which was uncomfortable - I no longer have that issue.
Build quality looks great, though I do love the N1 more. Feel is much better on the GN, much more responsive, and smooth - but then again, what would you expect for the specs?
The LED notifications aren't as cool as the N1, and the lack of trackball can be a pain...
tried the gn at verizon as i am only a year into 2 year tmo contract, can't buy
loved size and text reading
build seemed ok, not as good as n1--but it was strapped down
8-13 mb dl's on speedteast
no smoother than n1 ics rom i am on--imho
faster webbrowsing--but seemed no faster than my wifi which clocks in at 4-5mb
didn't like menu buttons
when scrolling there is a jitter and out of focus look, then it refocuses
will look at sgsII at tmo, but will, with contract restrictions, probably be looking at quads
It's certainly not way ahead of the pack, like the N1 was when it was released (and for a long time afterwards)...
People are reporting 10 - 15 mb downloads on 4g, but it never get anything like that in this area (with 5 different phones)
I recommend you ditch the contract with T-Mo if you can. No contact options are about $20 a month less than contact, which is $480 over the 2 year duration. Just a suggestion...
thanks DR
I have 3 phones on the contract, may not be financially smart atm
will look into it--was hoping for tmo to pick it up--like the speed and large text
do you have the scroll jitter and focus issue I described, may be normal
was looking at new blaze coming to tmo also--42mb phone
http://wirelessandmobilenews.com/2012/01/samsung-galaxy-blaze-4g-hd-spec-revealed-nexus-hd.html
but as you know, the n1 seems ageless with running ics now--tough choices