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messages in sms threads out of order.

hi, ive been using super hero beta 2 and until yesterday i had no problems. but all of a sudden, every time i got a text, the most recent received message would be put before all of the messages i sent. so in the message thread, the received messages are in order but all together at the top of the thread. my sent messages are in order but all at the bottom of the thread. the messages arent in order of the conversation. its really annoying to always have to scroll up to find what someone has sent me.
i didnt think much of it because i figure a wipe would fix it. today, i wiped and installed the new jacman rom and am still having the same exact problem.
is anyone else having this problem? does anyone know how to fix it? thanks!

this has been an issue for a few people, if t-mobile is doing tower work in your area it will screw with stuff like timestamps(are those correct for both incoming and outgoing?) and order of messages

Are you using the stock messaging or chomp sms? I used to have this same problem with chomp, then I upgraded to JF 1.5 and didn't need chomp anymore. Stock messaging has never done this thus far, but I know how annoying it is.

My nstive messaging app is doing that! It was frustrating as hell I did a wipe, flashed a different Hero rom, and still. I downloaded Chomp it has no issues....its the message app that is doing it to me

I have never had this issue before (except a brief trial of chomp) and then 2 days ago it started happening to me from my gf's phone to mine. I have seen it on a Hero build, a Rogers build, Ion build, and now The Dudes Rogers build. Next step im going to check the clock on her phone and see if that may be part of the issue or something.

The only time I've ever seen this problem is when two texts are sent/received within the same minute, and they would be grouped similar to that. So, for example, if someone sends me two texts within a minute, and I reply twice to those messages, and they would group similar to the original poster.
Have we tried rebooting? Is this present across multiple SMS threads? Using simple stock firmware/messaging app, or even going as far as installing a new messanging app amd seeing those results?
In all honesty, Hero is no where near perfect right now and probably won't be for a long while. It was never meant to go on the G1 so we can't expect perfect results just yet. Try using a different ROM, and see what results you get.
What I think you might want to try first, however, is to not use network provided values for the clock. Try using the phone's clock values. You can change this in Settings->Date and Time. Erase all threads, and chat away. Let me know the results.
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I've been using TheDude's build for over 2 months now, and I've never experienced problems like this. If this is so common place across all these builds, have you seen the same results on a stock build?

birkholze said:
is anyone else having this problem? does anyone know how to fix it? thanks!
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My GF's G1 started having messages appear out of order a couple/few days ago as well. I'm in the Orlando area. I figured it's T-Mobile screwing with the configuration of their messaging servers as someone mentioned earlier. Hopefully it clears up soon.

Time fixes everything

the problem was happening with the stock messaging app. just appeared out of no where. it doesnt even happen on every conversation, it happens to the three or so i text most often. my time stamps in the messages are correct, the other person's messages usually have a pattern of being 4 exactly 4 hours behind, but some times they just get jumbled with random time stamps.
i tried the date & time thing then a restart and im still having the same problem..

Same thing keeps happening to me, I am on the Super Hero v2 build and it also happened to me on the v1 beta build.
I switched back to ION yesterday and it stopped...and switched back and it started instantly again...Coincidence ?
Everyone is saying it's happening on every build, but I have only experienced it on Hero.

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Apparently, as far as my GF has noticed, it is only happening with MY messages to her, not other contacts. I've got Sprint, she's obviously on T-Mobile. Anyone else notice if it's only from certain (non-T-Mobile) customers? I suspect it's a particular SMS exchange server screwing up the timestamps.

When I had this problem it was from a tmobile number(one of my faves) and a verizon number so I'm not sure that its carrier related

The Sprint Hero Lost SMS Debacle

I was all set to finally take the plunge and sign a contract with Sprint for the new Hero - just waiting for my prepaid cellphone account to run out of money. Now more and more reports have started coming in about the Sprint Hero and its issues with losing SMS, and possible MMS too. Some sauces:
Engadget's questioning > and the scary responses: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/26/htc-hero-having-intermittent-text-messaging-problems/
Sprint Community's ongoing thead: http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/22913?tstart=0
SprintUser.com's ongoing thead (there are many): http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195769
Slightly older but still the same problem from here from XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572134
A few observations (feel free to add your own):
-UK/GSM Hero users are experiencing this, though to a much lesser extent
-A common, but not completely sweeping assessment is that affected users are using task killer programs or did at one time, even before a hard reset
-Soft resets tend to help the problem, though only temporarily (for some)
-People are getting the same issues on brand new phones that they exchanged for old ones.
Any thoughts? Do you have any personal experiences with this? I'm hoping to hold out till HTC/Sprint releases a patch or some sort of announcement about this problem but in the meantime, what has your experience, as a CDMA/Sprint Hero user, been like in regards to losing/delayed SMS and MMS messages?

From my experiance running Hero on the G1 lost text messages were due to the messeges app failing due to many things running and causing it to crash.
I can't speak for the sprint Hero, though I have not experienced any lost text messages I am aware of.
Maybe its a network issue?

I actually experienced it once. From what it appears, I downloaded a task manager and selected to kill all running apps. After I rebooted my phone though I have yet to experience any text message loses. Originally I was blaming it on a 3rd party messaging service, however now I really think it was as a result of killing the messaging app. This happened about a week and a half ago and so far *knocks on wood* have not experienced any other issues. Aside from that, I still love my hero. I honestly think that it is the best phone I have ever owned.

My biggest issue with SMS messages is that I've had up to a 3-4 minute delay between the timestamp on the message and when i get the notification. But AFAIK, I haven't lost any messages.
I think its a great phone so far. If Android keeps picking up as it appears to be, I think it can trump apple and iphone.

I have not lost any texts. I tested with texts to and from different carriers and area codes. I have not run any task killers. For what it's worth, I have not had any of the battery problems that people have run into either.

i had lost all of my SMS messages on my Sprint Hero after i installed Handcent SMS and used it for a couple days ( which so happened to be exactly a week after i bought the phone the messages were gone)

your sms's are still there, but they are in your messenger app, handcent doesn't access stuff that's already there, just the new stuff comming in. I don't belive it's possible to import the sms's that are already there, or at least there's not a known procedure on how to do so.
you can access them if you pull up your original messenger app, just no way to import/export. Sorry, probably not the answer you were looking for, but it is the correct one.

I had this problem when I first got my Hero, no text messages were being received, third party SMS app or not. My Hero said 'with Google' on the back. I exchanged it for one that just says 'htc', haven't had the problem since.

im worried
ive had the phone for 2 weeks.three days later i got the dreaded calls from friends and girlfriend that i havent been answering back to text. ive installed handcent sms and smstomailbox. from then on the problem has stopped.although i have sent myself some text and im yet to receive them no one has told me they cannot contact me. i just moved to sprint because i recently got a job as an assistant. my boss contacts me strictly through text. (you can imagine the magnitude of this issue) after all the forums ive read, i dont know what to do regarding this. my 30 days is almost up. i cant imagine a patch is not already on the works, but ive read this has been a known problem for some time. with Htc pumping out phones by the dozen and 1.6. / 2.0 updates taking the spotlight, i wonder if i should return my phone. the phone is real nice and i dont want a flimsy pre. seems too much stress for a device you pay good money for.i have the sprint hero with the "with google" in the back. seems like a bad time to get a phone with sprint since theres no news on wether this phone will be upgradeable or patched and the other phones are going to get upgraded soon. (HD2)

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on another thread someone posted that the problem had been acknowledged . the post pointed to a flaw in the sms app that did not send a "memory full" notification back to the sms database server. so it seems theres a limit to the sms app capacity and it kinda locks down or something along those lines. lol (sorry ill post the link when i find it again) in other news 2.0 is coming to the hero. so i guess ill deal with the issues till then.

I purchased a Hero on launch day [early run device, without 'with Google' branding, only 'HTC' on the back cover] and quickly encountered the intermittent text message delivery debacle.
Bottom line, there were extended periods of time in which text messages being sent to me were simply not appearing on my phone. [Side note, this includes individuals both on and off the Sprint Network.] Turning the phone off and on usually alleviated the non-delivery / appearance problem but any messages sent during that time were gone. There was no flood of messages post restart.
I should note that on two occasions I did notice that I had received a text in the top notification bar but when I opened the Messaging App, the text was no where to be found.
It appears that the messages may indeed have been delievered... but the app is 'eating' them, so to speak. This *could* explain why on Sprint's end, everything looks fine on the network... or so I was told, which I believe.
My temp solution, as advised by forum / discussion posts by other Hero users was to install an alt Messaging App [I used Handcent SMS] and use this rather than the stock Messaging app. Additionally, I added 'SMS To Mail Lite' which forwarded a copy of my incoming texts to an email address. I experienced no intermittent outages / delivery failures / abductions at all. Both Handcent and the email inbox matched. While this 'worked' I was unable to replicate the bug but since I was using Handcent this might have been why.
Later, after spending some time on the phone w/Sprint Advanced Tech Support, they determined it was not a network issue and was due to the phone itself [as their system showed all my messages being delivered]. They set up a trouble ticket and I was able to swap my Hero for a new one at my local store. Caveat, I was still under the 30 day trial which made things much easier when I got to the store.
I was told by Advanced Tech Support that HTC has recognized this intermittent text delivery issue and they are working on a solution. I only mention 'Advanced' b/c the first individual I spoke with from regular Text Messaging Support had zero knowledge of this issue and was quick to deny any problems whatsoever. No one at the store knew anything about it either, but I wasn't expecting it. So if you speak with anyone at Sprint, expect that they might not know yet and be nice. You might even get a replacement phone.
Currently, I'm still using Handcent and really like it. Tried ChompSMS but just prefer the other. They're on par w/one another so be sure to check them both out if you prefer to go this route. Also, I used the 'My Backup Pro' app to restore my new phone to the original configuration. Certainly worth the $5.
Hope this helps.

New Text message glitch

im afraid to ask any iphone friends if they have the same problem(s) as i do its hard enough to convince them the nexus isnt an iphone "wannabe". So I dont know if this is sort of a common issue regardless of OS, although i dont think this happened on my g1 or mytouch.
I receive a text message from "Bob", I open it and the thread has "Jenny" as the name in the actual conversation. In other words, one contact's name is at the top, and is the contact in the screen with all of the threads, but when i select it the text is actually from a different contact, and that name is the one that is followed by a colon and then the actual message. I dont recall this on my g1 or mytouch but its super annoying.
Also, i believe it only has happened (about 6 times total starting about a week ago) when im in the middle of a conversation with, say, person "A", and at some point they send a reply and its received as a new thread from person "B", but person A is still the name in the actual conversation. Theres a ton of bugs in 2.1, but i love the phone and Android and only wish for it to improve, which i understand takes time. This is just particularly frustrating because it started only recently. And yes i clear out the threads regularly but other than restarting the phone thats all ive tried. I dont doubt there may be an easy solution but i cant finger it out. Anybody? thanks

I saw this last night for the first time in the two weeks I have had the phone. I just hit the back button and then returned to the conversation and it was fixed, but I was confused. haha.
Speaking of weird glitches, I once got 5 aces in windows XP solitaire.... I have a screenshot somewhere....

good lord. i just got a text from one of my buddies that said "goodnight sweetheart want to tuck me in?"
then i looked above that one message and the rest of the messages in the conversation had come from my wife who's out of town, and it was in her thread. The phone just decided to make one of the messages from one of my guy friends.
I pressed back like you said and it was fixed but this is NOT cool...

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good lord. i just got a text from one of my buddies that said "goodnight sweetheart want to tuck me in?"
then i looked above that one message and the rest of the messages in the conversation had come from my wife who's out of town, and it was in her thread. The phone just decided to make one of the messages from one of my guy friends.
I pressed back like you said and it was fixed but this is NOT cool...
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LMAO... you have to admit that it's at least a little funny... but I haven't experienced this issue...yet.

DMaverick50 said:
good lord. i just got a text from one of my buddies that said "goodnight sweetheart want to tuck me in?"
then i looked above that one message and the rest of the messages in the conversation had come from my wife who's out of town, and it was in her thread. The phone just decided to make one of the messages from one of my guy friends.
I pressed back like you said and it was fixed but this is NOT cool...
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HAHAHA. That's hilarious. What happens if you reply before it gets straightened out? I've only seen this once, so I haven't been able to test it...

DMaverick50 said:
good lord. i just got a text from one of my buddies that said "goodnight sweetheart want to tuck me in?"
then i looked above that one message and the rest of the messages in the conversation had come from my wife who's out of town, and it was in her thread. The phone just decided to make one of the messages from one of my guy friends.
I pressed back like you said and it was fixed but this is NOT cool...
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This is actually another bug, that message was meant for your friend.
Sorry to break the bad news to you.

muncheese said:
This is actually another bug, that message was meant for your friend.
Sorry to break the bad news to you.
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Oh no, it happened to me with my girlfriend, and a buddy of mine
Nexus One: Cheaters beware.

I'm going to guess you all have SMS popup installed and delivering notifications?
I was having this issue until I uninstalled sms popup and switched to handcent.

bengrulz said:
I'm going to guess you all have SMS popup installed and delivering notifications?
I was having this issue until I uninstalled sms popup and switched to handcent.
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Not sure about sms popup being installed (if it's from the market, then no I do not have it), but I have delivery notifications turned on and I am using the stock messaging application.

I can confirm this happening to me as well and on multiple occasions. From what I can tell I would be texting with "Mike" and I would back out to do something else. Then I would recieve a text from "John" and it would show up with his text but with Mike's picture and name as well as name in the thread. It was very confusing before I had realized what really happened.

Ive has this a couple of times, the message does get sent to the right recipient though i can confirm.
Just hit back, open the thread again and itll be fine. Sometimes happens when you get a message from someone when your composing a message.

Ive has this a couple of times, the message does get sent to the right recipient though i can confirm.
Just hit back, open the thread again and itll be fine. Sometimes happens when you get a message from someone when your composing a message.

I experienced this problem today on my n1... and I experienced it before on my HTC Magic running official sense UI... I reported the problem to HTC at the time and they couldn't replicate the bug in their labs..

same issue here as well

I'll pile on and confirm this bug, but it seems to be limited to the stock messaging app. I haven't seen the problem replicated since I switched to Handcent last week.
I think it was actually just a little different for me though. Mine bugged out when I would go to the "quick messaging" option in the contact list (the thing where you tap on the contact's icon and the little list of ways to get in touch with them pops up) and hit the text icon. Once I hit that icon the text app opens with the contact I intend to text at the top, but the thread contents are that of a different person's thread - usually the last person I was texting.
Weird, but I guess a non issue since I like Handcent a lot better anyway.

[Q] Issue with txts going to the wrong person magically...?

When you have a text log with the original person? I have noticed it shows up in the notification tray under 1 name and then under the actual msg app its to the right person but it makes me scared at times who the last txt REALLY went too..
In the stock messaging app (all I use) Ill start a txt conversation with person x then down the line it'll send the next to person y... idk if it was a confusion between the linked fbook accounts but it almost got me in trouble so now for safety sake I dont have fbook linked to contacts...
Anyone notice this or is it just me?

Sorry to hear this. If its the same two contacts each time, I'd suspect your two contacts may have automatically linked or merged phone numbers. Inspect each one's details for the other's phone number. For example, I found that two contacts who shared the same email were merged, completely deleting one's name entirely.
I'm using Handcent myself so not sure if this would be related, but I've found that text messages received from one particular number (my bank's alerts) always appear as another contact (a friend) in the initial pop-up alert but then appear correctly in Handcent's actual message threads. I've since swapped and rebuilt the handset to no avail. This issue remains a mystery.
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not the same contact. Thats what I originally thought it was something merged weird but its random. so I am not too sure but it makes me whery what I send to certain ppl. For some reason im friends with enemies of the other friend so saying 1 thing starts a fight btwn the 2.. lol I cant win.

same problem, HTC EVO, seems like it goes to a random person, facebook contact or not.

This is a huge problem and is related to the Android platform, not just the Vibrant. You can find more information in the following two links:
1. www.google.com.vn/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=345259e6d424bad3&hl=en
2. http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392
The best thinking that we have on the problem so far is that it is in the ComposeMessageActivity.java file. But it would be great to get more eyes looking over the code to try to get this one licked.
Note: A 3rd party app may make the situation better, but will not resolve it. Best solution is that if you receive a text or e-mail message (or anything that plays with the notification bar or takes focus from what you're typing), quit your message and start over.

This scares the hell out of me. Is there any specific instance when this always happens?

Strange, never had this problem and I've been using Android since the G1. There must be something you are doing or a setting you have that specifically triggers it.

There's nothing related to Facebook - I don't have anything linked on my phone. And I never had this issue on my G1, but I also didn't start screwing with the Vibrant until recently, so it's not something I'm "doing" - it's happened within weeks of getting the Vibrant on launch day.
It can be quite scary. Luckily my friends getting msgs meant for my wife hasn't bit me in the ass yet. But if it ever gets mixed up going to a female friend, I could see this not working out in my best interests, ya know?
-bZj

I've had the same problem on my vibrant and my g1. What I've noticed is that if I send a nescafe to person A then receive a message from person B and access that message by using the notification bar and answer person B, the message can go to person A (the last person I sent to.) I've found that if I remember to not use the notification bar and only access messaging by using the icon, I haven't had the problem. Not the best solution but at least it seems to work.

This could be bad
This could be bad especially if you have more than one girlfriend

Omg glad im not the only one. Had to couch it one night cuz of this issue. Now i only text my girl from my phone. Everyone else i text through gv lol.

I use the notification bar all the time and occasionally reply to the weekend person but that's just because I didn't press on the right notification...

yea i had this happen to me as well. luckily or unluckily a txt i was sending to a girl whom i was fooling around with got sent to a girl i had just met 3 days prior. after that needless to say she wouldnt talk to me waa waaa. it was prob a random bug introduced in earlier builds.. say around a month and a half ago. oh yea i had about 12 threads running around 50 a piece.. maybe that had something to do with that and maybe the random stuttering of the vibrant when too many programs are running. Havent had that happen again thankfully but one would have to say.. slow down on the texting sometimes lol

vinnydakid said:
This scares the hell out of me. Is there any specific instance when this always happens?
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The evidence seems to suggest that the problem is in the ComposeMessageActivity.java file, which means it is not SMS Client related. Said differently, using a 3rd party SMS client might reduce the likelihood of the problem but does not eliminate it.
Now, to answer your question. It seems like the problem happens when multiple threads or events happen when using SMS. For example, it might happen when you are editing a message and when you receive a SMS text message. (It is more likely if you use the notification bar to pull down the message rather than navigating to it in the SMS client.) The good news is that people are trying to reliably reproduce the problem so that we can troubleshoot and fix the problem. (See my earlier post in this thread for a link of those discussions).
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Strange, never had this problem and I've been using Android since the G1. There must be something you are doing or a setting you have that specifically triggers it.
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Based on the review of the code, one fix seems to have been made to the 2.2 code branch. However, people using 2.2 have indicated that they are still experiencing the problem. The problem is in the library. However, there is a very unique set of circumstances that have to occur before you see the problem. It's quite possible that people who haven't seen this problem yet just use the UI in such a way that the problem doesn't show up.

98classic said:
Omg glad im not the only one. Had to couch it one night cuz of this issue. Now i only text my girl from my phone. Everyone else i text through gv lol.
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i second that. this glitch can be nasty. hopefully it will be addressed soon. GV for the win.

I have the same issue here. It will show one name but have a conversation for another, or the name and the convo are right, but the picture is wrong.

I think I found a solution to the thing. Been getting it a LOT and pissed me off on more than a single occasion.
So. If you are talking to someone and SUDDENLY receive a text message from that person but when you open it, it changes the name of the contact to someone else or ....I guess everyone who has experienced it KNOWS what it looks like. So when you GET IT, open it, then CLOSE the whole messaging app. Then restart it and it should fix itself and be back to texting the right person. If it doesn't (or if you want to be on the safe side), kill the messaging app with a task killer or task manager and restart it.
This has fixed it recently for me. Had it happen a total of about 15 times, with me finding and using the trick about the latest 5 times and it worked every time.
Note that I AM running Bionix Fusion 1.0 with Voodoo if that makes any bit of a difference.

My text messages just disappeared.

So I was in the middle of a text conversation and put my phone back in my pocket. I received another text, pulled it out, and my inbox was a barren wasteland. I disabled all the options for deleting old messages, so what gives? Is there some kind of mystery limit I'm unaware of? Did my messages just disappear into the void with all those odd socks I lost in the dryer? Was my conversation too hot to handle?
If my text message archives are going to disappear, at the very least they could leave a permanent root solution in their wake.

Sorry that I don't have a solution but your problem doesn't surprise me. There have been plenty of times that I have rebooted my phone (purposefully) and been brought up to the first time registration screen for the phone/android service.

This has happened to me three times since I got my phone on 10/05/10!
I have all the default text message settings and I text a lot, ~10k a month, figured it was just getting too full and crashing the app, sometimes it takes forever when it "refreshes"

yesterday all my bookmarks for the internet disappeared and my phone rebooted by its self a few times i didnt know what was going on

I have your text messages.
If you ever want to see them again then you will get a suitcase and fill it with unmarked, non-sequential bills!

Yep, you're not the only one, twice this week. Lucky for me I back up all my messages but damn if that didn't scare the sh!t out of me.
I hope somebody can explain why this happens & how to stop it.

I have the same issue. any solutions how to fix this?

Oh my god! My messages just disappeared too and I don't think I have an sms backup.. And i need them back. What do I do ? I can't afford to lose them!

^^Bahahahaha
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haha.. you are so helping!

I read your earlier message as complete sarcastic drivel. Is was rather humorous, read that way. As to your problem I would recommend a program called sim card data recovery. You should be able to restore your messages that way
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Which program are you referring to? Can't narrow it down on google. Could you please link me?
Also, the messages were not on the sim card, but on the phone memory or sd card (Wherever the desire hd stores by default)

I have not used a specific program, I have just been told that is the way to go. Not to sure if the messages are on the sim or the internal memory, but I'm guessing they would have to go through the sim to send, leaving a trace. That could be retrieved.
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This literally just happened to me. I wasn't going to post about it until I saw this thread. Running CM6.1. Getting sick of all the bugs...

pmstc said:
This literally just happened to me. I wasn't going to post about it until I saw this thread. Running CM6.1. Getting sick of all the bugs...
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Had this happen to me once a few months ago when I was running CM6 RC3. Not sure what caused it and haven't been able to re-produce the issue since (thankfully).
I know the problem is not isolated to CM as I have read other threads with people running Stock or Sense ROM's having the same thing happen.
If they're really that valuable, a backup is probably a good idea. For me it was just a bit annoying but nothing important that I needed...

so no solution to this problem yet? i looked at various forums discussing this problem. good thing i only lost 2 messages as i had them backed up.
i am using chompsms and thought it was due to it, but apparently this happens without any 3rd party applications
keeping an eye on this thread to see if somebody comes up with an explanation, or even better, a solution

I have had this happen to me. i was using Virtuous ROM at the time. They all disappeared from my phone and also from HTCSence site aswell. I have stopped trusting both of them now and use SMSBackup+ which (as the name implies) backs all sms to a folder in your gmail account.

This has happened to me multiple times (+3) using Virtuous.

i had originally backed up my text via Titanium Backup, and I flashed my phone and installed CM7, when i tried backing up, the texts wouldn't reappear, so i thought, "oh well"
Few days later while I'm texting, my phone suddenly reboots and all the texts are back again..
But the other day they randomly disappeared again...

Me too
Happened to me today as well, CM 6.1
...really pissed about it, argh. Does stock do this?