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Well at least we got a leak.....
What the hell are you talking about man!?!?!
We are getting it on the 10th!
And the 13th! and again on the 29th!
And then they are putting out a 2.2 Hero update in memory of that Baby seal Austin kicked and killed
Don't be mad! there are less than 48 hours till Eeyore's birthday! No one can be mad at a time like this!
Look, they just decided to wait till 3.0 gets released, it'll much better.....
Thats for 2.0. We're waiting on 2.1.
oh man, another one of these threads lol.can't wait to see where this one goes
who gives a rats ass about 2.1 anyways. im still rocking a super fast 1.5 setup!
Ok....So looking at that it says Android 2.0...
Last I heard we were getting 2.1......
Enough of this thread...
Why make another thread
Here are 4 more.......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649641
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643011
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=662634
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663662
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lol
i agree im rocking a super fast 1.5 build with out all the stoopid audio issues lol no offense to any rom dev you guys rock, i just happen to have to worst hero that doesnt play nice with anybodys roms, but im using fresh kitchen and i got my own rom with 150mb free its sick
The larger point, to me, is this: we can never, ever, count on Sprint for our upgrades. They will always be 6 months behind a remotely tolerable upgrade schedule.
I'm not at all saying "don't buy Sprint", I'm very happy with them. I'm just saying "the community is what matters". Your upgrades come from XDA.
Demoyo23 said:
i agree im rocking a super fast 1.5 build with out all the stoopid audio issues lol no offense to any rom dev you guys rock, i just happen to have to worst hero that doesnt play nice with anybodys roms, but im using fresh kitchen and i got my own rom with 150mb free its sick
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The only reason i want a official release, is so i can use fresh kitchen & make 2.1 roms.
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The larger point, to me, is this: we can never, ever, count on Sprint for our upgrades. They will always be 6 months behind a remotely tolerable upgrade schedule.
I'm not at all saying "don't buy Sprint", I'm very happy with them. I'm just saying "the community is what matters". Your upgrades come from XDA.
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you mean leaks come from xda. myself id rather wait until the final comes out and the devs get their hands on it.
I know I will never run the OTA update, the only reason I'll care is if the devs can make a better rom out of it, but I doubt it will make too much of a difference. the 2.1's we got pretty much have everything working already.
It will not be an ota update. It will be an over the wire update from the "training" materials.
My hope is that when the official 2.1 comes out, some of these little quirks will be gone. For example, an overclocked rom with a working camera would be great.
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who gives a rats ass about 2.1 anyways. im still rocking a super fast 1.5 setup!
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I bet you like feel like really awesome
where is my froyo?
It's the 20th mate.
I was wondering the samething, they didnt announce anything about Froyo i guess its still in development...How long is this Google convention?
No guarantees though...
From the keynotes, it sounds like it'll be announced on day 2. Doesn't mean it'll be made available though.
No, we'll hear about it. No one knows when it will be released though. If I was to take a wild guess though, they would release it to the developers there so they can start with the new features. And that means we'll have the pre-release here very quickly.
I WANT MY FROYO DAMMIT!
I hate waiting so much.
I'm too, fuxxxxxxing tired of waiting..... dammit!!
Froyo will release within this month?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
I think my wife might kill me if I talk about FROYO anymore. She calls my Nexus "the mistress"
zedmec said:
I think my wife might kill me if I talk about FROYO anymore. She calls my Nexus "the mistress"
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She making you sleep in the dog house yet? =P
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I think my wife might kill me if I talk about FROYO anymore. She calls my Nexus "the mistress"
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thats greatness! my wife will appreciate that...she hates my nexus!
yeah tell me about it. i would think that google would want to come out swinging with the big news first and hit with all the froyo info. this waiting till day 2 is making me think its not gonna be as big of an update as well all had hoped. oh well, still a great phone.
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yeah tell me about it. i would think that google would want to come out swinging with the big news first and hit with all the froyo info. this waiting till day 2 is making me think its not gonna be as big of an update as well all had hoped. oh well, still a great phone.
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Savin' the best for last? Realistically, if they did Froyo/Android first, how many people would stick around for the rest? lol
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I think my wife might kill me if I talk about FROYO anymore. She calls my Nexus "the mistress"
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I bought my wife a nexus one just for this reason.
Nexus One = "The Mistress"
Not sleeping in doghouse, and never will
I keep trying to convince her to let me get her a new phone but she says mine is too much like a computer....unfortunately I think she is an iphone candidate.
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not sleeping in doghouse, and never will
i keep trying to convince her to let me get her a new phone but she says mine is too much like a computer....unfortunately i think she is an iphone candidate.
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hahahahaha!
Its day two. Maybe they release it while talking about it like they did with some of the things they showed us today. Even though its less likely.
Lol! Same with my girlfriend. She makes fun of me and her brother (incredible user) for having smartphones and constantly talking about it. And she doesn't want me to get her a new phone, but like I listened last time. Lol. She's with Verizon, so I can snag her up a Droid Eris (now with 2.1) or LG ally. We showed her the incredible and she wasn't too fond of it..... but the Eris might be Just enough for her.
Hopefully she's another android user soon!
Froyo tomorrow at the key notes. Doubting about a release though.....
I for some reason don't see us getting ahold of it yet for another 2 week at least, that's my opinion.... Sux but true
Are you guys really that impatient that you won't wait one more day? Considering your gonna be waiting another month most likely for it to makes its way onto the Nexus.
I say we wont see it till July or August. Also n1 will get it last....
Just my thoughts. I figured we'd still all be waiting at this time.
Although I'm happy with the leaked as its good. I'm starting to want the final release ....
Well I bet I'm right. Atleast no June release IMO ....
Flame all ya want. Its my turn for my opinion. Lets see who's right. I say end of July..... and the Evo and incredible will get it first. Official that is.
I thought the Nexus already had it?
I'd guess that all phones running Sense will get it around the same time.
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I say we wont see it till July or August. Also n1 will get it last....
Just my thoughts. I figured we'd still all be waiting at this time.
Although I'm happy with the leaked as its good. I'm starting to want the final release ....
Well I bet I'm right. Atleast no June release IMO ....
Flame all ya want. Its my turn for my opinion. Lets see who's right. I say end of July..... and the Evo and incredible will get it first. Official that is.
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*insert flames here*
I will choose to respectfully disagree.
its already out on the N1 why would we get it last?
no disappointment
for me
Final build is always way far behind the great developers cooked ROMs.... so i am not worried about final builds( i never saw one without issues) as long as XDA and its great minds are here.....
thank you all for you amazing work......
just got offtopic idea: what will happen if all the XDA devs together make a seperate OS for phones?, idea itself is exciting me
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its already out on the N1 why would we get it last?
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Obviously because Google already has a leaked version on the Nexus one they will abandon all the progress they made and will focus entirely on gingerbread or possibly just twiddling their thumbs.
lightforce said:
its already out on the N1 why would we get it last?
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Uh no its not out. We got a unfinished version for developers....
Just saying watch. I hope I'm wrong but my gut feelings say atleast July. I bet we don't see the over air one in June...
When does the iphone 4 come out? I'm guessing it will come out around that date.
what are these "problems" that everyone seems to be having with the dev build? My phone is snappy as hell and i havent got any FC's besides a few launcher ones right after install. Nothing since.
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what are these "problems" that everyone seems to be having with the dev build? My phone is snappy as hell and i havent got any FC's besides a few launcher ones right after install. Nothing since.
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I got no issues either. That's why I'm wondering what's taking so long. Its ready and if not 99% there and that was 3 weeks ago.
Hell cooks here work faster than google.
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I say we wont see it till July or August. Also n1 will get it last....
Just my thoughts. I figured we'd still all be waiting at this time.
Although I'm happy with the leaked as its good. I'm starting to want the final release ....
Well I bet I'm right. Atleast no June release IMO ....
Flame all ya want. Its my turn for my opinion. Lets see who's right. I say end of July..... and the Evo and incredible will get it first. Official that is.
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You're insane. The N1 is the only phone to date that Google has proven actually be WORKING on 2.2 for. How could we POSSIBLY get it last?
I don't mind the wait. CM is still pumping out good stuff for me to play with and i tried the Froyo test release and it was pretty nice as well, though it felt very generic and not really Nexus One tailored. Hopefully the final build introduces some new features and stuff that's specific to the N1.
Since 2.2 includes JIT (really big change), there are likely lots of little wrinkles that need to be ironed out.
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You're insane. The N1 is the only phone to date that Google has proven actually be WORKING on 2.2 for. How could we POSSIBLY get it last?
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Not sure. Just a gut feeling. Not really we will get it last. But I bet its released very closely with the others.
What the hell is taking so long? Just saying my opinion and how I don't see us having the official by June. And I wouldn't be surprised if htc are already working on the Evo and incredible.
I think its bull honkey. Imagine if there were no leak. Everyone would be pissed.
The unofficial is pretty stable. I don't see another 3 weeks to fix minor things when cooks here do It in a week with more bugs. Hell 2.1 was buggier than this and they had a update fast for it....
Just getting the feeling things will slow
We don't need another new speculation thread. Please help keep the forum clean and continue discussion on an existing thread.
Facebooks official vibrant group just post the message. Oooh yeah!
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"A birdie just told me to expect Froyo for Vibrant as early as this month!!!!!"
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And which of the many Samsung Vibrant's on Facebook is the official one.
Its off the many samsung vibrant pages which I'm not so sure is the "official" page anymore. Probably a blonde moment. Uh I'm going to sign of now. Sorry for the false alarm peeps...
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As early as this month doesn't sound too concrete or confirmed to me. They haven't even pushed the 2.1 update with gps fix. I hope I'm wrong though.
As far as I know, this is coming from a Samsung tech employee in Finland, and is only stated for the international Galaxy S. I wouldn't expect this by the end of the month for our US Vibrant.
T's Response
I called T today to find out about the GPS fix that was leaked to come out today. I was transferred to T's Android Rep who stated that the GPS Fix is to be included in 2.2 and that he did not have a time for the release. He could not even speculate on the time frame for a release but that it was in the works and coming soon. I would not expect the update till late November but before Christmas. It could be pushed back even farther if there is any chance of there being some issues with the update to 2.2 The last thing Sam and T want is bad PR it would be a loss of sales and loss of customers. I believe they are going to test the crap out of the 2.2 update which will be nice to have a great stock rom.
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I called T today to find out about the GPS fix that was leaked to come out today. I was transferred to T's Android Rep who stated that the GPS Fix is to be included in 2.2 and that he did not have a time for the release. He could not even speculate on the time frame for a release but that it was in the works and coming soon. I would not expect the update till late November but before Christmas. It could be pushed back even farther if there is any chance of there being some issues with the update to 2.2 The last thing Sam and T want is bad PR it would be a loss of sales and loss of customers. I believe they are going to test the crap out of the 2.2 update which will be nice to have a great stock rom.
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Stop with your speculation. If Samsung waited till November, no one in these forums would still have a Vibrant. Every other phone to come out in the last few months has been updated to froyo (Droid X will be out soon, but has seen many leaked versions). Waiting till November would be a deathwish for Samsung. By then, Gingerbread might be out then the whole process would start over again.
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Facebooks official vibrant group just post the message. Oooh yeah!
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link? or it did not happen
I would still keep my phone no matter when the updates come out. It happens when it happens. No one can make it happen any earler. So every one needs to chill.
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Froyo. I don't even know what it was (a yogurt desert) before buying an Android phone, now I see this word on a daily basis. God Bless Xda.
you know what. im kinda tired of seeing these threads. I think Sammy And Tmo are gonna take there sweet ass time with this. Seeing as they alreay have your money from when you bought the phone ($400 full price, $200 New 2 yrs contract, or a penny if you got on the amazon ****) they dont really have to care. They provided a phone that worked. that was that. they dont have to update it. if they wanted to they could be like yeaaaaa **** it. and there is nothing we could do but cry and build our own roms for it.
Tmo has us real good tho. they get you for the monthly and if you ditch them before 2 yrs is up hey guess what your shelling out another 200 bucks for nuking the contract LOL. its all about money. theres rumours left and right about when its gonna get 2.2 - if it does it does if it dont it dont. not much we can do
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you know what. im kinda tired of seeing these threads. I think Sammy And Tmo are gonna take there sweet ass time with this. Seeing as they alreay have your money from when you bought the phone ($400 full price, $200 New 2 yrs contract, or a penny if you got on the amazon ****) they dont really have to care. They provided a phone that worked. that was that. they dont have to update it. if they wanted to they could be like yeaaaaa **** it. and there is nothing we could do but cry and build our own roms for it.
Tmo has us real good tho. they get you for the monthly and if you ditch them before 2 yrs is up hey guess what your shelling out another 200 bucks for nuking the contract LOL. its all about money. theres rumours left and right about when its gonna get 2.2 - if it does it does if it dont it dont. not much we can do
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The one thing WE CAN DO: sell our pieces o' **** for something else, i.e. a nexus one, iphone 4, droid x, etc. etc.
aeok18109 said:
you know what. im kinda tired of seeing these threads. I think Sammy And Tmo are gonna take there sweet ass time with this. Seeing as they alreay have your money from when you bought the phone ($400 full price, $200 New 2 yrs contract, or a penny if you got on the amazon ****) they dont really have to care. They provided a phone that worked. that was that. they dont have to update it. if they wanted to they could be like yeaaaaa **** it. and there is nothing we could do but cry and build our own roms for it.
Tmo has us real good tho. they get you for the monthly and if you ditch them before 2 yrs is up hey guess what your shelling out another 200 bucks for nuking the contract LOL. its all about money. theres rumours left and right about when its gonna get 2.2 - if it does it does if it dont it dont. not much we can do
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I almost agree with you here, aside from the fact they did NOT give us a working phone. Try your GPS on your stock Vibrant and come back and tell me it works
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I would still keep my phone no matter when the updates come out. It happens when it happens. No one can make it happen any earler. So every one needs to chill.
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How long will you chill for? Hell, in december it will be out for almost 6 months. So if thats the case, f that,.
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Tmo has us real good tho. they get you for the monthly and if you ditch them before 2 yrs is up hey guess what your shelling out another 200 bucks for nuking the contract LOL. its all about money.
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That's why I got no contract. I'll just mosey over to verizon or sprint or one of the many other carries with a Galaxy S phone once they come out with Froyo.
Uglyboyed said:
Facebooks official vibrant group just post the message. Oooh yeah!
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I went through all the Vibrant Facebook Pages and found the one mentioning Froyo and there is no way in hell that is a Samsung managed page.
a) They bag on the Captivate - Samsung wouldn't do that
b) July 14th - Said "I just played with one" - Why would Samsung say that?
c) "Their review" links to http://thetechninja.wordpress.com/ - Why would Samsung do a review of their own phone?
So, rumor squashed, there is absolutely no basis for believing anything posted to that page. The OP here should not have said its the official Vibrant page when it clearly isnt.
clivo360 said:
Stop with your speculation. If Samsung waited till November, no one in these forums would still have a Vibrant. Every other phone to come out in the last few months has been updated to froyo (Droid X will be out soon, but has seen many leaked versions). Waiting till November would be a deathwish for Samsung. By then, Gingerbread might be out then the whole process would start over again.
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Nothing to add except that I thought it was funny that you began with "stop with your speculation", then proceeded with your own speculation.
I love how people make posts about "hey man, i read this somewhere", and somehow REFUSE to post a link.
Do you think we're stupid?
Post a link or it's BS.
Here is the link the OP is referring to:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Samsung-Galaxy-S-Vibrant/129061660469467?ref=ts
Take note from my post above that there is no way in hell this is official Samsung news.
guesses? rumors? news? anyone? lots of hype about this. but it kinda seems like vibrant is gonna get left in the dust seeing as how we are still on 2.1. from what i have been reading, 2.3 (gingerbread) will be out within a week! so us vibrant users will be 2 versions behind! (wtf tmo and samsung?) my thoughts are maybe they didnt update us cuz they where just waiting for 2.3 to come out and wanted to get all the updating done at once. but i do kinda live in a fantasy world (drugs are bad mmmkay) so what are the thought from the fine folks here at xda on this matter?
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guesses? rumors? news? anyone? lots of hype about this. but it kinda seems like vibrant is gonna get left in the dust seeing as how we are still on 2.1. from what i have been reading, 2.3 (gingerbread) will be out within a week! so us vibrant users will be 2 versions behind! (wtf tmo and samsung?) my thoughts are maybe they didnt update us cuz they where just waiting for 2.3 to come out and wanted to get all the updating done at once. but i do kinda live in a fantasy world (drugs are bad mmmkay) so what are the thought from the fine folks here at xda on this matter?
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Lol JK2 was leaked. We will have an official froyo soon seing as that. And we will be able to port 2.3, don't worry
not sure what jk2 is. i am still kinda a noob. but that would be nice to get an official 2.2 update. i kinda want flash so i can watch southpark. haha
djkozdefantastico said:
not sure what jk2 is. i am still kinda a noob. but that would be nice to get an official 2.2 update. i kinda want flash so i can watch southpark. haha
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Jk2 is a build number of the most recent (and most important since its specifically for vibrants) froyo. Before this all the froyo roms out has been built off of other variations on diff models/carrier.
The fact that jk2 was leaked means the official ota for all tmobile customers is real and immenent.
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huh. well nice! still, im hearing rumors that they aren't gonna make an official 2.3 for the vibrant. which i dont know if i mind or not. but i still wanted to see what everyons opinion on that is?
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huh. well nice! still, im hearing rumors that they aren't gonna make an official 2.3 for the vibrant. which i dont know if i mind or not. but i still wanted to see what everyons opinion on that is?
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It doesn't matter if they do or not. Like I said above, "We can port it"
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huh. well nice! still, im hearing rumors that they aren't gonna make an official 2.3 for the vibrant. which i dont know if i mind or not. but i still wanted to see what everyons opinion on that is?
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I doubt we'll ever see an official 2.3. Samsung will probably release 2.2 somewhere between 2-4 months behind the competition. That doesn't give me great hope that we'll ever seen 2.3. Figure that it took HTC/Motorola 2-3 months to turn 2.2 final into 2.2 custom versions to OTA, then we are looking at 4-7 months from now for 2.3 if all of the same timeframes hold. That's probably past the window that this phone will receive official updates.
well seems like the ported versions of the firmware updates have problems, like the headphone jack not working. or gps lagging ect. (not to say the developers didnt do a good job{ cuz they did an awesome job}) but i use that stuff lots. i agree with lex tho. i think that we will probly stop geting updates after awhile so that the newer more awesome phones can get bought up.
Akaskriller say he has an official 2.2 froyo ready for those who donates to his site.. I saw the vid it looks good
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Tough call. I would say 1 year till official release...
mmmm im thinkin honeycomb (3.0) will be out within a year. prob not for our phones tho. we will have to upgrade to the we will have to upgrade to the galaxy t hahaha
2.3 won't be that different
2.3 won't be that different It will change the resolution mainly to allow a bigger screen Right now 2.2 really can only function on a 7 inch screen without some mods so 2.3 will have that integrated. 3.0 will have real differences, but Vibrant has become the developers phone of choice so, you will see that on the phone as soon as it gets out.
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2.3 won't be that different It will change the resolution mainly to allow a bigger screen Right now 2.2 really can only function on a 7 inch screen without some mods so 2.3 will have that integrated. 3.0 will have real differences, but Vibrant has become the developers phone of choice so, you will see that on the phone as soon as it gets out.
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ROFL.
No, not really.
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Akaskriller say he has an official 2.2 froyo ready for those who donates to his site.. I saw the vid it looks good
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it is no more official than any of the others that are out.
I doubt it will take that long. Look, the Galaxy S took a while because these are the first phones using the Hummingbird CPU. People say HTC and Motorola are more on the ball, but they're using the same Snapdragon and OMAP cores since the beginning. Heck, Froyo was originally built for the Snapdragon--no wonder Froyo is easy to port to those phones.
Now they've got Froyo on the Hummingbird, I would think future releases will be easier to port based on the accumulated experience.
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I doubt we'll ever see an official 2.3. Samsung will probably release 2.2 somewhere between 2-4 months behind the competition. That doesn't give me great hope that we'll ever seen 2.3. Figure that it took HTC/Motorola 2-3 months to turn 2.2 final into 2.2 custom versions to OTA, then we are looking at 4-7 months from now for 2.3 if all of the same timeframes hold. That's probably past the window that this phone will receive official updates.
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Froyo was out in January, wasn't it...?
That's more than 2-4 months ago.
I don't ever expect to see 2.3 from Sammy. We'll honestly be lucky if we ever see an official & working 2.2.
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Froyo was out in January, wasn't it...?
That's more than 2-4 months ago.
I don't ever expect to see 2.3 from Sammy. We'll honestly be lucky if we ever see an official & working 2.2.
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You don't visited the developer section much or what?
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down8 said:
Froyo was out in January, wasn't it...?
That's more than 2-4 months ago.
I don't ever expect to see 2.3 from Sammy. We'll honestly be lucky if we ever see an official & working 2.2.
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No. Froyo was pushed to the nexus one in late june.
HTC/Motorola pushed it 2-3 months after that and samsung will wind up another 2-4 months after that, depending on when they finally push it.
2.3 will be pushed any day now to the nexus one, so you can do the math from there if you assume the same timeline. My guess its that pushes 2.3 out of the window for the upgrade.
Guys.. Froyo should be out before Christmas. Team Whiskey and Eugene already got it. And tmobile is sending OTA to people with JI6 to downgrade back to JFD. They're preparing peoples phones.
Okay, we have froyo, now we are set... OH WAIT GINGERBREAD IS COMING OUT I AM NEVER HAPPY OTHER PHONES WILL HAVE IT BEFORE ME CRY CRY CRY CRY.
Seriously, I can assure you gingerbread is not going to come out this year.
And the N1 is the dev phone so of course it's going to be first to snatch up the latests firmware.
Heck, samsung or tmobile DIDNT PROMISE YOU ANY UPDATES. You bought the phone and that is it. They have your money, what are you going to do know? Didn't you check on the behold? I think they are stuck on 1.6 same as the Cliq. BE HPPY you got froyo.
I don't care what anyone else says, I happy with my froyo.
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Heck, samsung or tmobile DIDNT PROMISE YOU ANY UPDATES.
I don't care what anyone else says, I happy with my froyo.
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actually when i bought the phone i got ****in played man. haha the people at the t-mo store told me i would get all the updates as soon as they came out, and that i would get 4 g on my vibrant. thats when i didnt know much about the phone, or phones at all. but now that im doing my research, im finding out that none of that stuff is true! im liking t-mo. but dont like how they lied to me to buy the vibrant. i was even looking right at the g2. like 'what about this one?' 'na man! you want the vibrant' i love my vibrant. but i also am gonna want 4g and firmware updates in the future.