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Up for upgrade. Epic or Evo

I am up for an upgrade in a week and have been weighing my options for a while and am currently leaning towards the Epic, but was hoping to get some insight from the Epic community and hopefully some people that have used both phones. My main concern with the Epic is that of Sammy and their history of not supporting hardware. I still have a bad taste in my mouth over the Instinct(great hardware, terrible software and support). I don't care that much about the home screen part of either or the mail app as I will be using GMail and LauncherPro. One question I have is how many serious and talented linux devs are there that work on the Epic? I know most of the Hero devs went to the Evo. I currently have a Hero running CM6. I like some parts of Sense, but it's performance was a major turn-off and was what made me turn to ASOP. As far as the keyboard goes, I am undecided on whether I will actually like/use it or not. The only thing I see myself using it for is gaming emulators. Another concern is I have heard something about GPS issues, have they been fixed or acknowledged? I am open to input and am truly on the border here. Also, has a root been found for the epic yet? This is a big one for me so that I can at least remove the sprint crapware.

I would say go for the evo. Not long ago I was in the same boat a you. I did a ton off research, and played with both phones extensively. I chose the evo, and it its the most amazing phone I've ever seen. Now that htc uncapped the fps, there is really no problems. The epic is great, but imo the evo is better.
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I own both. I prefer the Epic for the keyboard. However, I dislike its screen for late night bed surfing lol. All AMOLEDs are way too bright in the dark.
Couple other noticeable things for me:
Screen: Epic for brightness/colors, however EVO has better responsiveness (assuming hardware/software issue for Epic)
Screen FPS: Epic, but they just released official fix for EVO
Text input: Epic since it has hardware keyboard in addition to touch
Battery life: EVO hands down, my Epic seems to die too fast and I never used any type of battery saving application on EVO
Power button location: Blows on Epic, why did they put it on the side??
Phone Size: Epic is lighter and smaller
ROM Development: EVO because its a HTC device, but I hope this changes soon

And I'd go with the Epic. I got my girlfriend her first smartphone 3 months ago and got her the Evo. Played with it for a few weeks and definitely liked the phone. Then I came up for an upgrade and I had the same decision to make. I ended up chosing the Epic as it seems it is a fewer months older and has a few slight upgrades over the Evo, but not much.
The Epic screen is ridiculously amazing. They do NOT compare. I love having a hard keyboard, and I text a lot more because of it. It's been two phones and about 3 years since I had a keyboard, but I picked it right up and my fingers flew.
Touchwiz is very nice, but I got rid of it after a few days, well actually the 3rd day once I rooted. I did the same with Sense on my Hero, like it, but I rather go completely customizable with a custom launcher.
Another great thing about the Epic is the notificatoin settings bar. You can adjust a few settings like wifi, 4g, bluetooth, brightness and airplane mode all from the pull down bar. And it even works without Touchwiz, which was a surprise to me. This feature alone gives me a big vote for epic over evo.
It seems the Epic's cpu runs a little faster/more efficientyly than the Evo's. The battery life on both is about what you can expect, if you use it a lot, plan on charging it during the day. Are you into rooting and getting the most out of your phone? Then you can get extensively better battery duration.
Right now, there isn't a lot of extra stuff you can do on a rooted Epic, but the phone's only been out a few weeks and the Evo has a jumpstart on developmental stuff. Also, the Evo is already on 2.2 where the Epic is still on 2.1, although rumors have it getting 2.2 in the next month.
Gps issue is definitely a problem on the Epic. I use my GPS about 5 times a day as I travel to different sites for my job. There is a delay in getting a good lock, but there should be a fix for this soon, and it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I usually get a lock within a minute. But I'll be happy when I get that instantaneous lock again.
One thing the Evo definitely has on the Epic is a bit bigger screen, .3", and HDMI out. That function is disabled on the Epic for some reason. I've heard a few reasons, but who knows. I use the DLNA option instead as my TV is new enough to support it.
I came from 3 generations of HTC phones before this, so it was hard for me to leave HTC. In the end, either way you're getting an awesome phone. so good luck with this decision!

epic camera owns the evo. period

I own both and would say EVO hands down. I thought the physical keyboard would be for me as that was the hardest to get used to on my EVO but after using both extensively I'd get the EVO. Where a few people like being able to adjust wifi/bluetooth and whatnot from the upper status pulldown, on the EVO it's a widget called "Power Control". To me this gives the same ease. Having both the EVO and the EPIC side by side I wouldn't say the EPIC screen blows away the EVO. Colors seem more blue on the EPIC and amoled is nice but I'd take my EVO any day for the .3 larger screen + it doesn't look bad at all.
Now if you're HEAVY into games and that's the main purpose for your phone then I'd recommend you get the EPIC. GPS isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be BUT that being said there's been a few times when I needed it *now* and was waiting for about 3-5 minutes which I am sorry is NOT cool. The EVO locks on almost instantly, and most places I have tried indoor as well (obviously in a concrete office building it's not going to work... but at home in my bedroom it works fine).
I would suggest that you go to a Sprint store and really play with both for ~20 minutes each...
'tuna

monadzback said:
epic camera owns the evo. period
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Not true
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basically epic if u like physical kbs or evo if not

sling said:
Not true
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Yes it is.

Having owned, and done extensive reviews and research on both I can conclude that the Epic's camera is much better than the Evos. The saturation, contrast, and white balance are all superior. Not to mention the video camera is only bested by the iPhone4.

I owned the Evo b4 the Epic. I liked the Evo, because the development for the device is amazing. The kickstand on the Evo is also great and comes in handy. Now that the 30fps caps is removed, it is even a greater phone.
I chose the Epic for a smaller form factor in phone size. I had to use two hands to use the Evo and my fingers would not reach across the screen without touching my skin. The Evo camera is not as good as the Epic, 23 fps vs 29/30fps at a constant rate. I like have an option of a physical keyboard to use only *if* I am typing a long email, playing a emulator or just getting tired of using the on screen keyboard. The AMOLED screen pwns the LCD screen and the Epics GPU is amazing, I run everything smoothly on my Epic.
In my opinion they are both great phones, but if you prefer a bigger form factor and a great development scene go for the Evo. If you prefer a great overall device that has everything built in for a phone then choose the Epic.

sling said:
Not true
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Yes it is.
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/09/epic-vs-evo-the-cameras/
The EVO can't shoot HD video in low light situations. It goes at around 10-15 FPS. It's blurrier during the day. It over saturates the colors. The 8MP on the camera is totally pointless because the quality of the camera doesn't measure up.
My Epic takes much better pictures than my EVO. But regardless... there are far MORE IMPORTANT reasons to get a phone.

drewX2 said:
I own both. I prefer the Epic for the keyboard. However, I dislike its screen for late night bed surfing lol. All AMOLEDs are way too bright in the dark.
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lol I agree! I own both also and the super AMOLED is way too bright even at its lowest setting. I do love both devices equally though
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monadzback said:
epic camera owns the evo. period
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Have you owned both? Care to give any reasons/data explaining why?
hydralisk said:
Yes it is.
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/09/epic-vs-evo-the-cameras/
The EVO can't shoot HD video in low light situations. It goes at around 10-15 FPS. It's blurrier during the day. It over saturates the colors. The 8MP on the camera is totally pointless because the quality of the camera doesn't measure up.
My Epic takes much better pictures than my EVO. But regardless... there are far MORE IMPORTANT reasons to get a phone.
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Apparently you haven't used cm6 on the EVO. IT does wonders for the camera and does things that no other camera app does as of yet; touch to focus while in camcorder mode....I get 24ish fps in 720p in low light with cm6.
Look, I own both, they both have their pros/cons but NEVER ever would I say one owns the other. It almost like Mac vs. PC they both do some things well....and others not so well.

Epic, is my vote, root is already out. Out of the box, epic is so much better. I still have my evo, but I never pick it up.
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My pick is the Evo. I got the Epic at launch, but it never felt right for me. I was also annoyed at the current bugs, which I can confirm it has. I just didn't have faith in Samsung to come out with a fix for them all, especially in my 30 window.
I returned it for the Evo and was amazed how much more I liked the Evo. Just feels like the better phone imo. Battery life is much better on the Evo than the Epic for me too.
Good luck.
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Either one you pick you wil be happy. I ended up going with the epic for the better screen, better processor and gpu and the keyboard. Even though im starting to use the screen keyboard alot more now that i installed the droid x keyboard.. i take the train to work everyday so i watch movies and play games on a daily basis.. and despite the screen size disadvantage the epic has.. movies look so much better.. and believe me i've tried both
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jok3sta said:
Either one you pick you wil be happy.
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Agreed! They are both good machines(?), err phones. As I said in an earlier post, it'd be stupid to not go to Sprint and really play with both for like 10-20 minutes each. Download quadrant, neocore, your favorite app(s), etc., etc. and run it all on both and make an informed decision. Most Sprint employees (around were I live) recommend the EVO, that said, don't let a sales person sway you one way or another.

spiicytuna said:
Agreed! They are both good machines(?), err phones. As I said in an earlier post, it'd be stupid to not go to Sprint and really play with both for like 10-20 minutes each. Download quadrant, neocore, your favorite app(s), etc., etc. and run it all on both and make an informed decision. Most Sprint employees (around were I live) recommend the EVO, that said, don't let a sales person sway you one way or another.
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I plan on it. I have been to best buy twice, but for some reason in their great wisdom they only have mockups so you cant play around with them. I am going to buy it at best buy so I get my reward points and better returns.

I have both, bought Evo, really liked it, but when the Epic came out, tried it, loved it, gave Evo to hubby.
Handsize and feel is important to me, the Epic fits hand better, buttons are in more convenient place for one hand usage, Love Swype, love screen, rooted but staying with Touchwiz because its so smooth (and waiting for 2.2
before I mess with other roms). The pics are awesome, as are some of the apps, especially Google Sky. It actually runs a little faster than Evo in opening apps.
Now hubby loves Evo, bigger feel in hands, screen, but to me, colors look more washed out. However, he is color blind so can tell no difference.
I came from rooted Hero, so like Touchwiz better than Sense. Its a comfort zone, they are both great, play with them, if we didn't have two to chose from, everyone would like the one choice they have.
P.S. My only wish would be no keyboard on Epic and thinner, never use it with large on screen keyboards and Swype.

Favorite Thing about epic 4g

I can list ten things I like about the epic 4g but One thing I love in particular is the sound quality for music playback...the sound is so full and lively that it sounds as good or better that dedicated music players. For reference purposes I am using my shure e500pth headphones (which would definitely reveal sound processing flaws on phones with terrible dac converters such as the evo, i know because i had a evo and compared it to the epic and quickly switched to the epic). I also use poweramp (the paid version of course) due to its excellent eq and flexibility for shaping the sound to your liking). Let me know your favorite thing about the epic

Porn looks great on the Super AMOLED screen.

^^^ see, this guy knows whats up ^^^
A month later and it's still the display.. I still open it up all the time just to marvel at how black the blacks are..
watching movies, looking at pictures.. anything visual is made better because the display is just THAT awesome. I'm not really in the market for a TV yet, but whenever AMOLED screens start showing up in decent sized TV's at an affordable price, I'm all over that!!

MaxPatlick said:
I'm not really in the market for a TV yet, but whenever AMOLED screens start showing up in decent sized TV's at an affordable price, I'm all over that!!
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And the good news is OLED technology is super-cheap to manufacture, benefits mightily of economies-of-scale.
So, after the first ones come out and the manufacturers/dealers finish raping the early-adopters for their entire life's savings, the prices will come down, WAY down, on nice, super-thin, lightweight, giant wall-mountable sets.
Imagine a 65" screen that you take anywhere with you, unroll, tape to the wall, plug the thin, flexible cable into the electronics box, and watch HD anywhere you go.
Yes, Homer, that day is just around the corner.

dwallersv said:
Porn looks great on the Super AMOLED screen.
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Haha hell yeah man.
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Definitely the screen. Its gorgeous. So, so, so gorgeous.

My favorite things is when im showing someone a pic or a vid the first thing they do is say "damn what is this a hd screen? what phone is this?" and then they turn the phone around and look at it from every angle haha.. never fails. samoled FTW

I agree with a lot of poeple and say the display.
Although its something that I have been used to for over a year
Considering my laptop has the $400 optional Dreamcolor display (16million colors vs desktop version 1billion colors)
But the deep blacks are amazing on the samoled.
Its like a mini hdtv lol.
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For me its the response of the cpu, the epic is fast.
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I'm going to have to say its the 4g...It rocks and I'm so glad I'm in a 4g market both at home and 35 miles alway in Boston. I cancel my home internet and now only use my Epic with hotspot.

I have to say the screen too, Every time a girl looks at it with my aquarium live wallpaper, they love it. (Good Ice Breaker)
Everytime I see another display, i might as well rub sand in my eyes.

The fast CPU and the hard keyboard.
Edit: The so-called 4G dl speeds are phenomenal! I DL Trinity rom (132 Mb) file in about 8 minutes.

2 things...
Speed and apps. I overclocked my Pre but still not close to what the Epic can do. I still have 2.1 on my phone and will wait til the official 2.2.1 comes out to upgrade which will make it even faster.
Once again, come from the Pre which their catalog has 4700 apps to date, the app catalog for Android blows WebOS away.
I am on the outskirts of Denver so we don't have 4G available but it will be coming. All-in-all, I am very happy with my upgrade.

What made you pick the epic over the evo?

What sold me on this phone and made me trade my evo for this phone was the slide out keyboard alone with swype pre installed. Oh yeah the screen is so much better too just because the evo has a bigger screen don't mean the overall visual quality is better. Despite what the benchmark test shows this phone is faster eventhough the benchmark test shows the evo being faster.
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I chose it for the same reasons you did. I dont like touchscreen keyboards. the screen display just popped compared to the evo. the processor surpasses the evo, the screen size was not that big of factor. I researched it a lot , and was actually very torn as I have been an htc fan for a long time and they make quality stuff.
the evo does have things that the epic doesnt and i would have liked, like the kickstand, the 8 mp camera, the 1.5 front camera , i would have like the larger screen samoled (that would have rocked)

Evo was still hard to get where I live. After I got the epic and played with a friends evo. I knew this was the one I wanted to have.
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Keyboard + rumors of horrible batterylife on evo
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KEYBOARD!!! then The nice SAMOLED Screen

Camera! I didn't care for the epic at first.. it look gross.. and bulky..
The Evo Camera really disappointed me, and the Epic's camera was amazingly better. From then on.. the phone just kept surprising me more and more. Tons of great features

super amoled, 45nm soc, and xda support.
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keyboard, screen quality, initial benchmark comparison...

Well I didn't. I had an EVO and I bought an Epic I still have my EVO. Battery dead... shoved in a drawer somewhere in my house.
What did it for me:
1. Keyboard (YAY! especially with game gripper). I'll probably only buy android phones with keyboards from here on out. Hopefully there are enough good ones to choose from...
2. Screen. HD moves look better. Games look better. Everything looks better. In fact, the EVO's screen looks... BAD... after using the Epic.
3. Faster processor\GPU. 3D games run SO MUCH smoother. Even without Froyo
4. Video codecs built in. I can watch 720p MKV movies without converting. I just drag them to the phone. Same with xvid\divx AVI files.
5. Camera is so so so much better. I mean my EVO couldn't take pictures like this or this or this.
6. Better call quality (from my experience). Clearer\louder voices.

I've been watching the development of these phones since before CTIA in march. The technical specs that Samsung was showing for it's next line of phones was much more advanced than anything HTC had shown. The Samsung-intrinsity 45nm SOC,. Samsung's Super AMOLED with black blacks, and a gpu touted to be 3x faster than what HTC was offering.
It was clear to me that one company was striving to produce a phone on the cutting edge while the other was making a phone that was bigger but not really pushing any limits. I think what Samsung has done is to shake up the competition and raise the bar, and thats why I bought their phone.

The screen was what first drew me, then all the other things, like the processor, keyboard, etc. The last thing that made me buy it was I put it in my pocket. The Evo was much bulkier in my pocket than the Epic. I don't have a case or anything, and I keep my left pants pocket just for my phone.
The camera is amazing. My GF has a 10 MP camera, and mine takes much better pictures. We used mine phone to take the Christamas card picture. I'm pretty amazed at it, I wish I could put my nice polarized filter on it though.

i picked the epic for the samoled screen, the frame rate of the UI (just swiping around screens), and the camera/video camera.

I chose my epic over the evo based on research I did before I chose. I heard goods and bads about touchwiz and HTC sense(this is my first android phone). I heard that sense makes your phone slower than it should be. And the SamoLed screen and keyboard are nice too.
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Physical keyboard and SAMOLED.

Pretty much the speed.
Everything else was a tradeoff:
Amazing Epic screen == Evo's higher subpixel count
Epic's slide-out keyboard == Evo's slim/simple form factor
etc

I personally like both phones. My wife has an evo and I love that phone too. It just got a big update from htc that included swype. Its just like ours. They also have blockbuster just like we have media hub. I find myself playing with hers a lot but whenever we get froyo that might change.
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The Evo was way too large to hold comfortably in my hands.

The fact that the sprint store had 55 epics on august 31st and 0 evos
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For me it's the same as most of you have already responded:
1. Overall size (easier to carry)
2. Super AMOLED display
3. Snappier processor (less lag than EVO)
4. Nice keyboard

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The Evo was way too large to hold comfortably in my hands.
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This (and my pocket).
The Epic is slightly narrower, and lighter. Feels better in the hand.
And I got it for the 45nm hummingbird processor and SAMOLED screen.
Keyboard was an added bonus, but not a selling point. I mostly use the on screen keyboard. Only time I use the hardware one is for NES games.

Evo or Evo Shift

I currently have a Moment (and it sucks: which is why I don't want an Epic yet alone another Samsung).
I'm wanting a new phone that can handle 3d games without lagging.
I have heard that the new Evo Shift will have the same 800mhz chip that is in the new G2. That chip has been overclocked to a stable 1.6ghz and getting over 3000 in Quadrant.
Also the other rumor is that the Shift will have an upgraded GPU. Which is even better.
Honestly the 3.8" screen isn't that much smaller than the screen on the Evo. It could be the perfect size.
Plus it has a physical keyboard.
Truthfully, it sounds like I already made up my mind. But I guess I have to wait until specs and reviews are out for this phone.
Anyone else getting this Shift over an Evo?
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If the 3D gaming is that important, and it was concerning the two, than sure I think most would suggest the Shift.
But at this point I'd also suggest seeing what's on the horizon and truth be told Sprint doesn't have the grandest selection but I can see that changing. Some big **** around the corner, but if now - or soon - a new phone is needed and that's what your primary concern is, then the Shift probably your best bet.
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CES is coming up this week, I believe, so I'd hold off and see what news comes out of there. Might be something sweet coming down the pipe. We'll have to see.

Ohh! Ohhh! Get Both The evo for now and the shift when it comes out

because you want games...
then EVO Shift is for you!
I need the bigger screen. It dont sound like much... but when you put them side by side... it is a big difference!

Dan330 said:
because you want games...
then EVO Shift is for you!
I need the bigger screen. It dont sound like much... but when you put them side by side... it is a big difference!
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True. But the super amoled screen of the epic is awesome. I actually like that than the evo. It really is all up to what the final specs are off the Shift.
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if gaming is what you want, shift could be for you. do not get the shift for the keyboard. i can type faster on swype than i ever could with a slide out. you might not think .4 inches is much, but the evo screen is much bigger than the shift screen. i'd look at both side by side and see.

>_<
Swyped from my EVO

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Swyped from my EVO
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Personally, I would wait for something else all together.
Something with a better processor & gpu. This summer should have what you're looking for (although maybe not from HTC).

If you want games then, as said, the Shift is probably for you.
As for physical keyboards, overrated. When I had a Samsung Intercept while my EVO was being "serviced" by Best Buy I only used it because the touch screen was so useless on that thing.
Typing on the EVO is awesome. Keys are bigger than any slide out since the screen is so big. It all comes to preference though.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
some more specs have been released...
I am considering it.
I want a front facing camera... and 8meg camera.
i want to hear about the CPU/GPU and RAM.
can I live with 3.7" vs my current EVO 4.3"??
what are your thoughts on the dev community for this phone?
The EVO has so much more activity before it was released. And the Dev community is great on the EVO.

Latest spoiler from a feed that I'm subscribed to only has this Shift with a 5 mega-pixel camera not 8 and no front camera.
If this is true then I will not get this phone. I'll buy a pair of EVO's off eBay and save my upgrades for something better.
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Why not consider the epic. You had an old samsung phone that sucked? Well I had an old htc phone that sucked 2 years ago, but all phones are different.
The samsung galaxy s line is really fast, and with the new ext4 mod on the epic, its crazy fast, like nexus s fast.
If you care about a keyboard, gaming, and camera quality the epic will be as good as or better than the shift.
And don't fall into the mega pixel trap when comparing cameras. The evo camera aint great and video sucks. The shift will be just like the tmobile g2, which is very good. Finally the epic takes pictures and video that rival the iphone in quality, which is to say the best in class for cellphones. With the epic , you can leave your digital camera at home.
Really do a thorough comparison of the epic and evo shift in person before you decide. Don't let yourself be fooled by differnces in 2.1 vs 2.2 software or touchwiz vs sense. You will have changed all your software in a week anyway with xda.
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navoid said:
Why not consider the epic. You had an old samsung phone that sucked? Well I had an old htc phone that sucked 2 years ago, but all phones are different.
The samsung galaxy s line is really fast, and with the new ext4 mod on the epic, its crazy fast, like nexus s fast.
If you care about a keyboard, gaming, and camera quality the epic will be as good as or better than the shift.
And don't fall into the mega pixel trap when comparing cameras. The evo camera aint great and video sucks. The shift will be just like the tmobile g2, which is very good. Finally the epic takes pictures and video that rival the iphone in quality, which is to say the best in class for cellphones. With the epic , you can leave your digital camera at home.
Really do a thorough comparison of the epic and evo shift in person before you decide. Don't let yourself be fooled by differnces in 2.1 vs 2.2 software or touchwiz vs sense. You will have changed all your software in a week anyway with xda.
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LOL difference is everyone was hesitant to jump back on with Samsung, and for good reason. At least these people that were nervous can sleep easy knowing they were right and that Samsung hasn't done much to change the tune others sing. And when the day arrives that I leave my digitial camera at home and rely SOLELY on a phone ... well, heck, that probably wont happen for a while. I've seen pictures taken with a crappy old 3mp digital cam that look crisper and better in every sense of the word.
Samsung dropped the ball, Epic has nice hardware but they don't compare to HTC. And HTC may not have a perfect track record in the past but they have definitely stepped it up lately.
The Galaxy S phones have been pretty down the middle, some good to go with all that bad.
edit; don't want to discount the fact that the Epic is a decent phone, will be the 3rd best Sprint offering (Whoa - never thought I'd give Sprint props like that) but it should at least "irk" you, and maybe not you directly, with how the whole Galaxy S phones have been handled. Especially with all the talk of Android not getting updates and Samsung support being piss poor. 2.1 treats it fine, my buddies epic flies sure but Touchwiz is horrid and the state of support or lack thereof should be the straw that breaks the camels back or however the hell that goes. I couldn't see anyone honestly suggesting the Epic over the Shift though, as was my point. And the Mega pixel jab, that was true and maybe a low blow but when people hear someone saying "this camera ownz leave dat digi at home, homeboi" it only sets people up for disappointment. Truly and honestly. That's a slight(ly bogus) exaggeration. If not, you must not possess a decent shooter. And no, I'm not talking about the one on the back of the phone.
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Get the shift

i know 3.8 doesn't sound much smaller, but when you see them side by side the difference is significant. if I was buying a phone now is go with the 4.3” HTC Thunderbolt coming out in a few days on Verizon.
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epic... is good.
but there are things that just add up.. to point me away from the epic.
these things have been discussed many times.
I just want to point out 1 thing.... the backing of HTC products in XDA and other forums by Devs. the choices !!!!!!
that is top of my list for any phone.

Check out this review of the evo shift:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZET2gMKAH2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As you can see from side by side pictures the screen is incredible small against the EVO generation 1. I would agree with the others, wait for CES, i'm sure sprint have a EVO 2 around the corner, after using a 4.3 inch screen i don't want to go down to smaller, just my opinion. To me the shift might be a little bit better for gaming, albeit it's not a HUGE step up. If it had the hummingbird cpu i would say get it, but even now dual cpus moving in, so just try to be patient, because in the long run you will regret it, especially if you're on contract.
[edit] http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/sprint-trots-out-htc-evo-shift-4g-and-new-3g-4g-mifi-from-nova/ - And it has no FFC sorry to bust your bubbles lol.

mykenyc said:
Check out this review of the evo shift:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZET2gMKAH2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As you can see from side by side pictures the screen is incredible small against the EVO generation 1. I would agree with the others, wait for CES, i'm sure sprint have a EVO 2 around the corner, after using a 4.3 inch screen i don't want to go down to smaller, just my opinion. To me the shift might be a little bit better for gaming, albeit it's not a HUGE step up. If it had the hummingbird cpu i would say get it, but even now dual cpus moving in, so just try to be patient, because in the long run you will regret it, especially if you're on contract.
[edit] http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/sprint-trots-out-htc-evo-shift-4g-and-new-3g-4g-mifi-from-nova/ - And it has no FFC sorry to bust your bubbles lol.
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Thanks for the links man, my wife has been smitten with the Evo Shift since I originally found leaked pics of it and she'll be excited to see a video of it being used. I've been trying to get her to wait to see what else comes out or to perhaps get a regular Evo but she is convinced she needs a keyboard (I felt the same way but now that I use Swype 99 times out of 100 I wish I had gotten an Evo and not an Epic but such is life). Anyways, I'm looking forward to reading the Evo Shift board and hope some of the veterans of the Evo board help out over there (assuming the similar form factor extends to the software architecture...Hey, I've got an epic and none of the related phones offer any software relatability lol)

my take on the 3D

OK, I just tried the 4G and 3D side-by-side for about 45 min. IMO the screens are not much different from one another in terms of the look of text and images, and if anything the 4G looks more contrasty! For the record I do see a minor difference in overall white balance, but it is minor and not worth fussing about. Note also that the narrower screen on the 3D means that images on web sites appear MUCH smaller than they do on the 4G. The 4G seems to fit the image to the page width while the 3D makes them smaller for some reason.
Also in testing, the 4G has a better camera for sure. It's sharper, better white balance and just as fast in operation as the 3D. I have a question - those of you who feel the 3D has a better screen - have you used them side-by-side, or are you going on memory?
I honestly found very little difference in terms of overall speed too - apps load about as fast as each other (camera, gallery, scrolling photos, google maps, gmail, etc. all work as fast on the 4D as they do on the 3D - using WIFI) Web pages usually loaded faster on the 4G!
Aside from being slightly more narrow, the only meaningful improvement *for me* would really be better battery life...but as my Evo gets through a day of heavy use as it is, I will not be using my upgrade for the 3D.
For the record, the Nexus S has more contrast than either of the Evos - though the Nexus also has Major battery issues...

pictures on 3D looks smaller because of the screen resolution...
i did side by side, today my 4G its going for sale, for me the screen on the 3d looks more like a retina display, better colors and crisp.

I got the 3d on launch day. Had the 4g since launch day. I'd give it a little more testing if I were you. The screen is much more crisp and sharp. Not sure how they had it set up where you tested it out at, but believe me when I tell you it does everything faster (as in opening apps, loading, etc.) Only thing I miss is the kickstand and the speaker from the O.G. Evo.
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I guess I agree with the reviewers more than you guys do. Many said the screen looks soft and low in contast. IMO the 3d screen is at best as good as the 4g. Especially when held side by side. - it is obvious. And I also held it side by side with the Nexus - no contest there. Nexus wins hands down in terms of contrast. Though I do like the Evo phones more overall because of better build quality, etc. Anyway my upgrade is not going to be used just yet...
For me, the OG Evo is fast enough. What I really want to address in a new phone are:
More contrast in screen - not addressed with the 3D
hand-holdability - not really addressed with the 3D (though it is slightly more narrow, but taller)
Battery life - my current 4G setup goes 24 hours with heavy use. Which is good IMO. Though I gather the 3D can do even better.

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I guess I agree with the reviewers more than you guys do. Many said the screen looks soft and low in contast. IMO the 3d screen is at best as good as the 4g. Especially when held side by side. - it is obvious. And I also held it side by side with the Nexus - no contest there. Nexus wins hands down in terms of contrast. Though I do like the Evo phones more overall because of better build quality, etc. Anyway my upgrade is not going to be used just yet...
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Hahahaha... Well, I have my OG Evo still and the Evo 3D. And I too notice the whites on the OG Evo appear brighter. But the difference between 800*480 compared to 960*540 is very noticeable. Like for example...both have Twidroyd installed on them...but I get 6 icons on the UberBar on the OG Evo; 7 on the Evo 3D...and text is definitely more crisp. Also very noticeable when zooming in on pics compared to the OG Evo.

I have both currently and the EVO 3d in my OP is an upgrade in all aspects. I even put the same wall paper on mine as my friends Samsung Fascinate and had a couple people look and they thought the EVO 3d had the better picture and more true colors.

The Evo is already such a great phone I just can't see dropping some extra money to get the 3D version just for a screen with better resolution. Yeah it has dual processors and what not, but I wonder what that does for battery life. I'm still loving my Evo so I don't have any plans to upgrade.

Me too. The 3d is not enough better ;-)
When I get bored I swap between the Nexus and 4g.

If the Evo 3D still had the 3D functionality but was named something else (say the Evo 2) 99% of the people posting negative about it wouldn't.
Sad that a simple number and letter actually makes all the difference in the world to some.

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If the Evo 3D still had the 3D functionality but was named something else (say the Evo 2) 99% of the people posting negative about it wouldn't.
Sad that a simple number and letter actually makes all the difference in the world to some.
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The above statement does not apply to me. I am basing my comments on the assumption that I will not use the 3D functionality at all, honestly. I am ignoring the "3D" for the purposes of assessing the phone for my purposes.

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The above statement does not apply to me. I am basing my comments on the assumption that I will not use the 3D functionality at all, honestly. I am ignoring the "3D" for the purposes of assessing the phone for my purposes.
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I didn't mean to direct my comments at you.

No problem, I just wanted to be clear.

The E3D is significantly better than the EVO in so many aspects. The screen is mote crisp, has better contrast, and does not have the ridiculous purple tint that plagues the screens of so many EVOs.I didn't realise how bad the screen was until I got the 3D. The 3D is faster and has significantly improved battery life. The camera performs better in low light situations and the 3D is.a really sick feature. Most of the previously 3D naysayers actually love this feature in the 3D forums, including me. You may knock it, but you don't own one. I love my EVO but the 3D is clearly s much better phone on every aspect.
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The Evo is already such a great phone I just can't see dropping some extra money to get the 3D version just for a screen with better resolution. Yeah it has dual processors and what not, but I wonder what that does for battery life. I'm still loving my Evo so I don't have any plans to upgrade.
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Asynchronous dual core = better battery life.
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The reason the speed isn't much different is because the 3d is running 2.3. 2.3 doesn't take advantage of the dual core processor correctly. Once 2.4 comes out and is sent to the 3d you will notice a huge difference from what i heard because it knows how to use the 3d's beastly hardware to the fullest. Haha
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I agree its not enough better for me to upgrade yet. I went from a Hero to an EVO and that upgrade was HUGE. Just not impressed enough with the 3D to use my upgrade yet, gonna wait and see what the future has in store.

I also have the 4 g on launch day and now have had the 3 d since launch day. You can definitely tell a difference with the processors. Browsing in scrolling through menus is faster than is ever been for me before. This dual core processor blows my mind.
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Yesterday I played with the one at the Best buy store. the 3D hurts your eyes. The only thing that makes this worth while is the processor. Otherwise its not worth the upgrade.
Sense 3.0 is nice, but you can get it with custom roms here.
One thing I couldn't figure out was does it support wifi N?

I went and tried it again for 30 min yesterday. What is interesting is that on WIFI, the 4G loads pages faster than the 3d EVERY TIME. I loaded probably 10 pages at the same exact time on both. 4G always won. Anyone else try this?

I'm sticking with the 4G until Seidio puts out an extended battery for the 3D.
They've announced a 1900 mAh one. That's not really extended IMO especially since stock is 1730 mAh.
There is a rumor of a super extended 3200 mAh. I guess that's okay, but it's not been confirmed yet. All the "pics" of it are of the Thunderbolt one.