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One of the worst screens I have seen on a high end device...

Finally got to play with an Atrix yesterday. Simply put, I was shocked at how terrible the qHD screen looked.
Banding was visible from arm length, edges are extremely jagged, colors (particularly green on black) look absolutely abysmal.
Personally, I would much rather have a traditional 800x480 panel than a 960x540 pentile panel. In a side by side comparison the screen on my SLCD Incredible is miles ahead. I guess Motorola was more interested in having numbers that looked good on paper than real world performance.
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This WRGB subpixel arrangement goes a long way in explaining the issues I saw... Actually, If I'm looking at this correctly each pixel does NOT have 5 subpixels, but 4. Quadrile anyone?

Ditto! I thought I was going crazy, hearing everyone talk about how good they thought the screen looked....it looks horrible imo....
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Same here
I was horrified how bad the colors were. Just install angry birds and check the colors. It looks all washed out and dull. The same is the case with NFS shift installed.
The text in the browser does look sharp though, i have to admit. But overall pretty disappointing.
Samsung S2 , please give us some hope here in the US, and soon!

Really? The worst screen that I saw was the Nexus S SAMOLED with its unnatural exaggerated colors and the lack of sharpness..

Having owned (for a short bit) an iPhone 4, a Nexus One (for 11 months) and having played around with a Nexus S for a week, I gotta tell you I really like the Atrix screen. I will admit that viewing it from the side blows...but how often do you do that?

spielnicht said:
Having owned (for a short bit) an iPhone 4, a Nexus One (for 11 months) and having played around with a Nexus S for a week, I gotta tell you I really like the Atrix screen. I will admit that viewing it from the side blows...but how often do you do that?
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As far as I know I don't see people using cellphones sideways.

While I'll definitely agree that it's far from the best screen ever, I don't think it's nearly bad enough to justify the number of complaints people have about it. Is it because it's the easiest flaw to point out?
Is the side view bad? I can actually see things fairly clear almost to the point of having the screen at an angle that I can't actually see the screen itself. Reading text gets impossible a fair bit before that I guess. If the viewing angle is limited on this phone, then I guess I don't often test the limits of viewing angles on other screens lol.

I don't know about you guys but I like the screen...lol, you guys must have better eyes our higher standards
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The brightness outweighs the lack in accurate color representation imo.
My iPhone 4 does a slightly better job of showing colors, but the Atrix is definitely brighter. I don't have any issues with the screen

thatoneguy247 said:
The brightness outweighs the lack in accurate color representation imo.
My iPhone 4 does a slightly better job of showing colors, but the Atrix is definitely brighter. I don't have any issues with the screen
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I used my phone last night walking the dog and it was almost TOO bright in the dark.
The screen is far from perfect, but text looks fantastic on white. Black text on white is probably the most common usage of a cell ...
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complain complain complain....the screen is great

everyone should refrain from biting on the next screen baiting post...

once again,
the biggest misconception of the atrix's screen is that its washed out. This is NOT TRUE. the screen is extremely neutral in colors. SLCD and SAMOLED all have extremely exaggerated colors and contrasts. Some people like it, some dont...its like arguing which is better..plasma or lcd.....

I'm pretty sure if you do some research almost all video enthusiasts would recommend plasma over LCD. But that's not only because of the colors but also the response rate differences.
SAMOLED has perfect blacks so of course the contrast will be higher (infinite) but the colors can also be tweaked to not be so saturated. So at least you have the option to change it, rather than having an unsaturated display that you can't increase.
MarcMaiden said:
once again,
the biggest misconception of the atrix's screen is that its washed out. This is NOT TRUE. the screen is extremely neutral in colors. SLCD and SAMOLED all have extremely exaggerated colors and contrasts. Some people like it, some dont...its like arguing which is better..plasma or lcd.....
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Add me to the list.....it is UNIMPRESSING @ best!!!!

i like plasma better......lmao

I think a lot of the issues with the display are due to lack of support for the resolution.
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turn the screen up to 75% brightness and tell me its no good i have had all phones and this is up there or the best

i like the screen just fine

I run mine around 70% and it's fantastic. I'll take this "washed out" display over the one on my Captivate any day.

Galaxy Note 2 vs Galaxy Note : Size Comparison

I made a fun video comparing the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and the Galaxy Note 1 in dimensions and size!
p.s.: The Galaxy Note 1 is a NTT DoCoMo branded phone from Japan I borrowed from a friend.

Cheers

which is better...
tolisHD said:
I made a fun video comparing the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and the Galaxy Note 1 in dimensions and size!
p.s.: The Galaxy Note 1 is a NTT DoCoMo branded phone from Japan I borrowed from a friend.
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which is better

Wow, so we get a lower pixel density AND the screen seems to be more narrow than on the Note 1

underlines said:
Wow, so we get a lower pixel density AND the screen seems to be more narrow than on the Note 1
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720P is better for watching HD videos, ALSO you get RGB matrix vs pentile

underlines said:
Wow, so we get a lower pixel density AND the screen seems to be more narrow than on the Note 1
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It's only .09 inches more narrow. Nothing to get excited about.
- Frank

underlines said:
Wow, so we get a lower pixel density AND the screen seems to be more narrow than on the Note 1
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I think its slightly taller if not mistaken.

They made the screen slightly narrow than the 1st note because:
1. they wanted the 16:9 ratio (best viewing for movies)
2. to make it more comfortable to hold in your hand.
@Sforever31 Note 2 has more features and more power!

The perceived pixel density will be higher though, so images will LOOK a lot better. And like someone mentioned, no more jagged pentile lines like I see on my GS3.

thanks

Who said it has RGB instead of pentile? Samsung just says HD Super AMOLED no plus so I'm not sure where you got that from.
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/spec.html?type=find
Hell Guardian said:
720P is better for watching HD videos, ALSO you get RGB matrix vs pentile
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Baldilocks said:
The perceived pixel density will be higher though, so images will LOOK a lot better. And like someone mentioned, no more jagged pentile lines like I see on my GS3.
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dannytill said:
Who said it has RGB instead of pentile? Samsung just says HD Super AMOLED no plus so I'm not sure where you got that from.
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/spec.html?type=find
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No one said it is RGB, but it's NOT pentile. Have you even bothered to look at the screen comparisons??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31452312&postcount=9

It's RGB.

It is RGB (every pixel owns his 3 subpixel) but the arrangement of the subpixels is different from the ordinary RGB screens, thus the missing 'Plus' in the name.
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In the left you have a normal RGB pixel (ONE X, S 2, Lumia 920 ...) and on the right you have a Note II pixel. The blue one was made bigger because amoled blue subpixels die faster than green and red. How the screen will perform in real life remains to be seen but I bet it will be much better than pentile.

I was a bit disappointed about the screen being longer and not the same width, but reading a bit about it so far I think it will be beneficial to me to upgrade because I mainly use it for movies.

Does it fi in a pocket?

projekt06 said:
Does it fi in a pocket?
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Note
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I know for a fact the note isn't going to be comfortable when riding a bike or going for a run , that's the only problem. And I usually want to have my phone with me at all times. Don't know if I should get the s3 just because it's more portable, the note 2 is definitely the better device though.
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juanzr1 said:
I know for a fact the note isn't going to be comfortable when riding a bike or going for a run , that's the only problem. And I usually want to have my phone with me at all times. Don't know if I should get the s3 just because it's more portable, the note 2 is definitely the better device though.
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Get a wristband?

CreepyDroid said:
It is RGB (every pixel owns his 3 subpixel) but the arrangement of the subpixels is different from the ordinary RGB screens, thus the missing 'Plus' in the name.
Look at this stupid image that I've made with my super awesome MS Paint skills
In the left you have a normal RGB pixel (ONE X, S 2, Lumia 920 ...) and on the right you have a Note II pixel. The blue one was made bigger because amoled blue subpixels die faster than green and red. How the screen will perform in real life remains to be seen but I bet it will be much better than pentile.
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I was initially skeptical about Samsung's choice in going for not only a low resolution screen but also a bigger display area. However, after I learned that they've also decided to ditch PenTile in favour of this new RGB matrix, I breathed a heavy sigh of relief.
I can't WAIT to see how nice this display looks in person!

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Oct 2nd: Today I hand on Note 2 import from Hong Kong but I don't like the screen: still not better than S3, I think S3 screen a little bit better. How about yours?
Note 2 next to IP4.

Its known AMOLED screens have bad whites...
But I didn't bother me on other AMOLED screens, so I think it will be fine as long I wont compare it with other displays.

Would like to see more on this. I heard the screen on this was noticeably better than Note 1 and the S3. Less blue and less pentile hatcheting. Is that true?

I think you forgot to adjust the brightness

Is there any tint problem with note II?LIke the pink tint of s3????I dont know why but the display of note II appears a bit pinkish or i may be wrongg???

GizmoFreak said:
I think you forgot to adjust the brightness
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Indeed at low brighness the amoleds do not look good.

GizmoFreak said:
I think you forgot to adjust the brightness
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Of course no . Both = max brightness.

Can you take a pic of a webpage (for example the xda webpage) on both machines please?
I'd like to see how text looks against the background.

on2a said:
Would like to see more on this. I heard the screen on this was noticeably better than Note 1 and the S3. Less blue and less pentile hatcheting. Is that true?
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I'm thinking about marketing purpose when Samsung change matrix from Pentitle to non-pentile with strange matrix arrange .

Sorry, but its hard for me to believe this... Every site said the new AMOLED has great whites.
Can you compare it with Galaxy S3?

DubelBoom said:
Sorry, but its hard for me to believe this... Every site said the new AMOLED has great whites.
Can you compare it with Galaxy S3?
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When I compare to my IP4, I decide buy it later because I know that Super Amoled = not uniform. Tomorrow I will compare again with S3, IP4, IP5 and other I can .

Viper2005 said:
Can you take a pic of a webpage (for example the xda webpage) on both machines please?
I'd like to see how text looks against the background.
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Tomorrow I will hand on again cause I did not buy it .

I remember on my S3 there was a setting in the display menu....I can't remember on top of my head but this setting would allow the S3 to optimize the screen image to save battery. If this setting is enabled on your note like my s3 was then that could be why its not being brighter.

The only thing disappointing about this are the other people showing the Note II being better than the iPhone.
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ciscostud said:
I remember on my S3 there was a setting in the display menu....I can't remember on top of my head but this setting would allow the S3 to optimize the screen image to save battery. If this setting is enabled on your note like my s3 was then that could be why its not being brighter.
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Of course no battery save mode

Nero6 said:
The only thing disappointing about this are the other people showing the Note II being better than the iPhone.
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At this time, Super Amoled can not be better IPS about white color but black

How are you performing your test exactly?
You didn't buy it? How are you testing it in a room so dark then?
I've actually noticed, on my note 1, if you use the 'stock' internet browser and use a power saving mode, then it dims it using a very bluish tint, which looks quite different from just setting brightness at a lower level. So it could be test related.
I can't imagine any reason at all why the screen would be worse than the S3.
Samsung has said this is their best screen ever.
- Frank

ChodTheWacko said:
How are you performing your test exactly?
You didn't buy it? How are you testing it in a room so dark then?
I've actually noticed, on my note 1, if you use the 'stock' internet browser and use a power saving mode, then it dims it using a very bluish tint, which looks quite different from just setting brightness at a lower level. So it could be test related.
I can't imagine any reason at all why the screen would be worse than the S3.
Samsung has said this is their best screen ever.
- Frank
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I won't believe it neither unless I see it in person.
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ChodTheWacko said:
How are you performing your test exactly?
You didn't buy it? How are you testing it in a room so dark then?
I've actually noticed, on my note 1, if you use the 'stock' internet browser and use a power saving mode, then it dims it using a very bluish tint, which looks quite different from just setting brightness at a lower level. So it could be test related.
I can't imagine any reason at all why the screen would be worse than the S3.
Samsung has said this is their best screen ever.
- Frank
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Samsung always said that when thay launch a new product

Zanr Zij said:
Samsung always said that when thay launch a new product
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And so does any other company in the world

Colors are washed on Nexus 4

Just received my Nexus 4 today and the color are definitely washed (not so popping) on the phone. I actually think they are sub-standard than other lcd screens. Anyone agree? Can a custom rom saturate the colors more? Is there a way to saturate the colors without a custom rom?

milkisgood123 said:
Just received my Nexus 4 today and the color are definitely washed (not so popping) on the phone. I actually think they are sub-standard than other lcd screens. Anyone agree? Can a custom rom saturate the colors more? Is there a way to saturate the colors without a custom rom?
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I don't agree. I think the colors look great. Color reproduction is just more accurate. AMOLED colors pop because colors are oversaturated. It's unrealistic and I prefer the colors on an IPS display. In any case, you'll probably get used to it shortly.

pictures so that we can compare with other people who have the phone

milkisgood123 said:
Just received my Nexus 4 today and the color are definitely washed (not so popping) on the phone. I actually think they are sub-standard than other lcd screens. Anyone agree? Can a custom rom saturate the colors more? Is there a way to saturate the colors without a custom rom?
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I think you have bad eyes

I've been dieing to get mine so I can compare to the Lumia 920 screen (which is absolutely gorgeous)

Yes Colors are washed out on Nexus 4 compared to Xperia S. And I'm not talking about Mobile Bravia Engine.

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Yes Colors are washed out on Nexus 4 compared to Xperia S. And I'm not talking about Mobile Bravia Engine.
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The colors on my device are not washed out what so ever. They seem to be pretty accurate, but not eye popping like amoled. If i try to view the phone at an angle, there is a yellow hue but that's it. Very happy with the screen

mchimney said:
The colors on my device are not washed out what so ever. They seem to be pretty accurate, but not eye popping like amoled. If i try to view the phone at an angle, there is a yellow hue but that's it. Very happy with the screen
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Well the Xperia S has just a LED-backlit LCD screen, not even IPS. I never liked AMOLED in any way.
Sony does have something that is superior to Korean companies.

The screen looks fine to me on my Nexus, although I find the one X's screen a tad bit better. No biggie tho
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milkisgood123 said:
Just received my Nexus 4 today and the color are definitely washed (not so popping) on the phone. I actually think they are sub-standard than other lcd screens. Anyone agree? Can a custom rom saturate the colors more? Is there a way to saturate the colors without a custom rom?
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Your too use to Amoled displays bro, I thought the same thing at first, coming from a sgs 2 then 3.
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milkisgood123 said:
Just received my Nexus 4 today and the color are definitely washed (not so popping) on the phone. I actually think they are sub-standard than other lcd screens. Anyone agree? Can a custom rom saturate the colors more? Is there a way to saturate the colors without a custom rom?
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I won't call washed out but colors on my Xperia TL look better. I checked videos and lot of pictures from smugmug and flickr. While I liked colors on Xperia better I thought Nexus displayed more accurate colors.

Here is a picture of app drawer. S3/N4/XperiaT
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Judging by the chrome icon. Thats how green red yellow suppose to look like. The dynamic and standard option on the galaxy s3 make the colors over saturated. So naturally. Your eyes are use to seeing stronger colors. But thats not how they are like in real life.
I do lots of editing and photography.
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Ha those darn Amoled eyes, Coming from S3 i thought the same, but my eyes adjusted. and I prefer the sharpness of ips

I find the nexus 4 display to be fantastic. Not a single complain.
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I've had nothing but amoled too and thought the same thing. You'll get used to it after a few days, now I like the display on my N4 better.
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OP is used to amoled. This panel is absolutely gorgeous.

I have a Dell Ultrasharp for work and use the same wallpaper from Jellybean, the colors are definitely undersaturated on the phone.
Realistic colors mean wide color gamut, which means being able to do both unsaturated and saturated. The phone cannot do saturated colors well, which means it has a narrow color gamut and only looks realistic when its not showing an image with high saturation in it.

Wait for these kernel devs cook something up like on the GNEX, edit the contrast and things will be popping!

Yeah I'm used too amoled also and noticed the difference, the colors seem very similar to the Nexus 7 which makes me wonder if it's a color profile or something that can be IMPROVED (ie not 'fixed') with software updates, mods and kernels.
After a few days though, I definitely noticed the difference in terms of usability.. this phone is much nicer to use than the S3 was, and I'm not automatically rushing to the night mode settings whenever possible.

Differences in Droid Mini LCDs

Was at local Verizon store yesterday and saw quite a difference in LCD color between my own Droid Mini and the store display units.
My screen was brighter at 100% and warm in color vs. the 3 display units which were more coolish blue and slightly dimmer at 100%.
What color temp is your droid mini?
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Its an amoled and not an LCD. They can vary from phone to phone.
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Its an amoled and not an LCD. They can vary from phone to phone.
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Ultra and Maxx are AMOLED, Mini has an LCD

i bet on the software version.

Jaocagomez said:
i bet on the software version.
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I was thinking the same thing. Just wish i had another mini to compare. Another thing I noticed is that my screen has contrast a tad bit over sharpened compared to the demo units.
It doesnt bother me but was enough to notice when i held them side by side.
Could this be something Motorola adjusted in the kernel or firmware? Is there an LCD panel contrast app we can get to adjust the setting manually?

It could be that they're using a different part for the lcd display now compared with when you bought yours.

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Ultra and Maxx are AMOLED, Mini has an LCD
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Hmm turns out I Dont know these phones very well.
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interesting thread for me because i replaced my LCD and i was wondering if there were any differences in the models you can buy on ebay.
my experience: the one i got is very nice, very happy with it. great brightness, and YES warm. TOO warm. the reds are just crazy. i mean the droid thingy at start up just hurts your eyes at full brightness.
its definitely not calibrated well, i mean when i take selfies my skin looks very orange and red tinted, and i'm fairly pale. looks totally different and less red on my laptop (which has upwards of 95% adobe color gamut)
also not to derail this but is this the best forum to post about the mini? i can't find the forum for it. is it basically a smaller version of the droid ultra or something?

I think this is the best place to post about the mini.
I'm glad you have experience with replacing the LCD and seeing a different result.
I'm going through the same thing with my LG G2. I notice there's quite a difference in LCDs with these phones.
My G2 also has a difference in its LCD picture vs other G2s even on the same carrier.
With the G2 there's an app which tells what version LCD you have.
Wonder if there's a way to check what version LCD we have without opening the phone and literally going through a few of them to verify.
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interesting thread for me because i replaced my LCD and i was wondering if there were any differences in the models you can buy on ebay.
my experience: the one i got is very nice, very happy with it. great brightness, and YES warm. TOO warm. the reds are just crazy. i mean the droid thingy at start up just hurts your eyes at full brightness.
its definitely not calibrated well, i mean when i take selfies my skin looks very orange and red tinted, and i'm fairly pale. looks totally different and less red on my laptop (which has upwards of 95% adobe color gamut)
also not to derail this but is this the best forum to post about the mini? i can't find the forum for it. is it basically a smaller version of the droid ultra or something?
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oh, to clarify, I didn't see a difference. I just know that it's very very red. if there are 2 models and one of them is more red, then this has to be the one.
tiguy99 said:
I think this is the best place to post about the mini.
I'm glad you have experience with replacing the LCD and seeing a different result.
I'm going through the same thing with my LG G2. I notice there's quite a difference in LCDs with these phones.
My G2 also has a difference in its LCD picture vs other G2s even on the same carrier.
With the G2 there's an app which tells what version LCD you have.
Wonder if there's a way to check what version LCD we have without opening the phone and literally going through a few of them to verify.
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niffcreature said:
oh, to clarify, I didn't see a difference. I just know that it's very very red. if there are 2 models and one of them is more red, then this has to be the one.
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If u can, try to stop by your local Verizon store. Compare your LCD with a display unit.
I saw the perfect screen today at another local store. This one was on a black mini.
Not too warm, not too cold but just right. Also noticed the contrast wasnt too rich and it had a nice color balance.
If my screen ever breaks, i would love to swap out this LCD for that one.
How difficult is the droid screen swap compared to other larger smart phone screen swaps?