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G1 Very Sluggish

Not that I'm asking for help about the sluggishness, it's just that the G1 is just overall way more sluggish than my friends iPhone 3G. As in web pages load WAY faster (Wifi on both devices being used). The UI is way more snappy.
And I understand the trade offs I'd get with an iPhone. No true multitasking or alerts from apps (like twitter email etc. . .) No Gmail push (I think) no Google Cal sync over the air, or contact sync OTA. All these things are great, but I dunno, I think I'm going to crossover into iPhone land soon. The G1 just became a let down for me after using it closely for about 6 months. And using other peoples iPhones on and off.
This is just a rant. And mostly I'm talking about browser load speeds and UI. It would be nice if Google maps oriented the direction we're facing since it has a compass. But the new update is moving in the right direction. Love the walking directions. But I think I'm gonna move on to 1 app at a time, Draconian app approval, HYPE land, release 5 HW revisions before making a new product, iPhone land.
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments. I'm using Google Ion ROM also.

Heh, and the iPhone 3GS supposed to be even faster!

You're pretty much begging for a flame by asking that in here.
It's all down to personal choice and preference. Your thread isn't about your 'sluggish G1'; You're asking us to convince you why you need a G1.
Nobody cares that you no longer want a G1. But don't make a new thread masquerading as a plea for help that is really about:
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments.
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i hope you enjoy your seemingly faster (much more expensive, much less useful) iphone.
my personal experience has been different, but you seem like the kind of person who wouldn't be convinced even with hard evidence.

Alright. Well. I don't benchmark or use "hard evidence" tests, I just go off the feel of things. Of course I know the iPhone is locking you into a Lot of things. But a jailbroken iPhone 3G / 3G S will be more fun app / mobile safari. And as far as a reason for keep the G1 I'm not looking for a reason. I've rooted the phone, used apps2sd 2 with an ext3 partition. Made sure data/data is in intmem etc. . . The Rom dev is great, but an iPhone is like having an SL500. Of course more gas, higher maintenance cost. G1 is like having a nice truck that's a hybrid. It just doesn't feel as sexy. It can do Way more, but its a truck.
I'm cool with hearing other reasons why the G1 isn't sluggish etc. I'll listen, but I was just posting this out of my frustration of a slower browser and slower UI. I don't really know what the flame talk was about or me covering up intentions. These are just phones. But I think a jailbroken iPhone 3G beats out a rooted G1. Plus I'm not trying to ssh into my linux server with debian installed over hero.
Anyway, its just a conversation I wanted to spark with people who understand what I'm talking about. Not to mention the apps are a big plus too. And don't get me wrong, the g1 is good for the things it was built to address. The iPhone will just be more fun.

do you have all the newest and update firmware and radio installed?
your title is misleading.
also, only way to find out which one is better......... go and get both and use both and decided from there

I'm pretty sure I have the newest firmware. Haykuro's that was causing bricks on non PVT boards. I was using JF 1.51 ADP. I moved to cyanogen mod of JF. I moved on to hero, then google Ion rom. Oh and the sapphire rom. Ion rom was fastest, but iPhone's overall fell and touch is simply night and day. So is the browser. Steel was great before cupcake but it closes so much now its not even useable.
Oh yeah, radio is up to date too, hence the non bricked phone. Nevermind no 3G here in our area. I just want to hear others opinions before I drop 300 / plus a deposit for bad credit / and charging me for txt msg! But I'll have more apps.

The g1 does seem to get sluggish over time. I would try a wipe. That should restore the speed of the phone.
However, there's no getting around the performance of the iphone as it supports 2d hardware acceleration. The g1 and android only does software rendering so its never going to be faster than the iphone until the google devs start supporting 2d hardware acceleration (g1 has a graphics chip so it should be possible).
I personally don't find the g1 very sluggish. Maybe its sluggish compared to the iphone (I don't know as I don't have one to compare with), but on its own, the g1's UI is quite snappy (i'm running cyanogen ROM).
larrygates said:
Not that I'm asking for help about the sluggishness, it's just that the G1 is just overall way more sluggish than my friends iPhone 3G. As in web pages load WAY faster (Wifi on both devices being used). The UI is way more snappy.
Do you have a lot widgets running or background tasks? All those take up memory and cpu cycles which will end up slowing down the phone a lot.
And I understand the trade offs I'd get with an iPhone. No true multitasking or alerts from apps (like twitter email etc. . .) No Gmail push (I think) no Google Cal sync over the air, or contact sync OTA. All these things are great, but I dunno, I think I'm going to crossover into iPhone land soon. The G1 just became a let down for me after using it closely for about 6 months. And using other peoples iPhones on and off.
This is just a rant. And mostly I'm talking about browser load speeds and UI. It would be nice if Google maps oriented the direction we're facing since it has a compass. But the new update is moving in the right direction. Love the walking directions. But I think I'm gonna move on to 1 app at a time, Draconian app approval, HYPE land, release 5 HW revisions before making a new product, iPhone land.
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments. I'm using Google Ion ROM also.
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Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.

Do you find the G1 UI significantly more sluggish than the iphone?
RPG0 said:
Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.
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dwang said:
Do you find the G1 UI significantly more sluggish than the iphone?
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If i were to rate UIs of phones (based ONLY on smoothness) i would give the iphone an 9/10 and the G1 a 8/10.
The thing is... actually the difference mostly comes from the touchscreen sensitivity. There are two bad things about the G1 here:
SPOILER ALERT: After reading you might notice new bad things about your G1...
1. Try touching the screen with a small part of your finger (the very tip) and you'll see it won't register. This happens more in real life than you would think...
2. Try opening the notification bar SLOWLY and you'll see it shakes as you move your finger. If you stop mid-way it will shake most of the time... Actually any list will shake if you drag it and then stop... kinda cheap.
3. The sides of the screen in portrait have a "snap" zone. Try moving an icon to one side, and it will stop folowing your finger at a moment, then it will snap to the border. (On my phone this only happens on the right side. On the left side it's worse. I CAN'T register touch on the edge there. It's a nightmare to move an icon to a screen to the left.).
I knew HTC was bad news when i dug deeper into my Kaiser.
So.. G1 actually 7/10... Android on a good phone 8-8.5/10.

Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not very in the know, but I do know how to follow directions and root phones. But YES the missing HW acceleration is felt when I go from iPhone to G1. It's unsettling. But . . .
dwang said:
The g1 does seem to get sluggish over time. I would try a wipe. That should restore the speed of the phone.
However, there's no getting around the performance of the iphone as it supports 2d hardware acceleration. The g1 and android only does software rendering so its never going to be faster than the iphone until the google devs start supporting 2d hardware acceleration (g1 has a graphics chip so it should be possible).
I personally don't find the g1 very sluggish. Maybe its sluggish compared to the iphone (I don't know as I don't have one to compare with), but on its own, the g1's UI is quite snappy (i'm running cyanogen ROM).
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You gave pretty much all the reasons I waited for the G1 and went with it. I knew it acted more like a computer and actually integrated different api's into 1 whole (if you will). Or let the app devs get to the api's. But I like having my feeds come to me without thinking, I like twitter updates, I love gmail being like my old blackberry exchange solution. I WISH live maps or mesh or whatever it's called for Windows Mobile 6.1 would come to android. Someone asked about widgets etc. I disabled all widgets, actually I wiped to a clean Ion Rom that isn't running anything in the background but essentials. It's the HW accel I'm thinking, and the sensitivity of the touch screen. It's great on the iPHone. These were the replies I was looking for. Just something to chomp on before I make any moves. Cause I'm seriously thinking about making that move. I'll lose a lot though. But I'll gain a lot back.
Oh yeah, how come maps on the G1 doesn't auto orient like the iPhone does now. We have a compass, and the new maps is better, at least it shows the direction, but I have to rotate the phone though.
RPG0 said:
Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.
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The iphone 3gs does look pretty great, but I'm not switching from tmobile to att just for the iphone. There's going to be some nice android phones coming down the line, hopefully with upgraded cpu and memory to match the pre and 3gs. That should narrow the performance differences significantly. And hopefully android 2.0 (donut) finally implements 2d hardware acceleration.
larrygates said:
Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not very in the know, but I do know how to follow directions and root phones. But YES the missing HW acceleration is felt when I go from iPhone to G1. It's unsettling. But . . .
You gave pretty much all the reasons I waited for the G1 and went with it. I knew it acted more like a computer and actually integrated different api's into 1 whole (if you will). Or let the app devs get to the api's. But I like having my feeds come to me without thinking, I like twitter updates, I love gmail being like my old blackberry exchange solution. I WISH live maps or mesh or whatever it's called for Windows Mobile 6.1 would come to android. Someone asked about widgets etc. I disabled all widgets, actually I wiped to a clean Ion Rom that isn't running anything in the background but essentials. It's the HW accel I'm thinking, and the sensitivity of the touch screen. It's great on the iPHone. These were the replies I was looking for. Just something to chomp on before I make any moves. Cause I'm seriously thinking about making that move. I'll lose a lot though. But I'll gain a lot back.
Oh yeah, how come maps on the G1 doesn't auto orient like the iPhone does now. We have a compass, and the new maps is better, at least it shows the direction, but I have to rotate the phone though.
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See I'm worried about that. Why wouldn't android have he hw accel. I'm using an iPhone now to post this. Hw key is good, but this iPhone is very nice. I'll try to hold out and see. But I'll take it up the a!! Yeah I'm getting one. A 3G S.
dwang said:
The iphone 3gs does look pretty great, but I'm not switching from tmobile to att just for the iphone. There's going to be some nice android phones coming down the line, hopefully with upgraded cpu and memory to match the pre and 3gs. That should narrow the performance differences significantly. And hopefully android 2.0 (donut) finally implements 2d hardware acceleration.
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larrygates said:
See I'm worried about that. Why wouldn't android have he hw accel. I'm using an iPhone now to post this. Hw key is good, but this iPhone is very nice. I'll try to hold out and see. But I'll take it up the a!! Yeah I'm getting one. A 3G S.
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Well you laid out the talking points pretty well in your first post (and frankly aside from multitasking, iPhone OS 3.0 has fixed a lot deficiencies), so if you're set on an iPhone, just go for it.
Frankly, if having used a G1 for a while you are still considering an iPhone, then the iPhone is probably a better product for you. Reasons such as avoiding being locked into Apple's closed ecosystem probably weren't ever a factor for you at all.

Hey thanks for the civil post. The last thing you said is a hard one along with at&t. Apple is pretty slick with marketing, and they're hardware upgrades really screw you. Plus I think one of the guys here said something about dual core chips in phones next year.
About the Eco system hopefully jailbreaking side steps a lot of the walls on the phone. We'll see. I need to wait some things out and see how the dev team comes along. Someone said I should look into the pre, but I wonder if its similar to the G1.
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Well you laid out the talking points pretty well in your first post (and frankly aside from multitasking, iPhone OS 3.0 has fixed a lot deficiencies), so if you're set on an iPhone, just go for it.
Frankly, if having used a G1 for a while you are still considering an iPhone, then the iPhone is probably a better product for you. Reasons such as avoiding being locked into Apple's closed ecosystem probably weren't ever a factor for you at all.
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Bah. This is only personal preference nonsense. Go get the iphone if ur tired of the g1.

larrygates said:
Hey thanks for the civil post.
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Just because i'm using and love the G1 doesn't mean the iPhone is a bad phone. I really don't have time to spend writing up a long convincing article why you should stay with the G1, let alone flame-coat it.
The last thing you said is a hard one along with at&t. Apple is pretty slick with marketing, and they're hardware upgrades really screw you. Plus I think one of the guys here said something about dual core chips in phones next year.
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All hardware obsoletes, iPhone or otherwise. It's just a fact of tech life. If you constantly wait for the better hardware upgrade then you will never have any hardware at all.
About the Eco system hopefully jailbreaking side steps a lot of the walls on the phone. We'll see. I need to wait some things out and see how the dev team comes along. Someone said I should look into the pre, but I wonder if its similar to the G1.
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Obviously the phone is better in some respects than others. But for example it will only sync with iTunes. I will never install iTunes or Quicktime ever again because they are poorly written pieces of spyware crap. Also, the cloud sync clearly prefers Mobile Me as the primary service. Remember when Mobile Me launched? It was a pile of cowpie. Even Apple admitted this.
The iPhone has a sleek interface and a powerful advertising machine behind it. That's why it and the iPod are such popular devices among consumers. However, being that I am an engineer by trade, I'm not so easily swayed by Apple's glitzy advertising. In that respect, iPhone's deficiencies, past and present come into stark contrast. For example, the inability to multitask userapps is just ridiculous. I actually want to receive my emails and instant messages in realtime, without having to open the Google App. Some people say "just use SMS", which opens up a whole new bag of rant about how SMS is the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever...

One thing I want to mention regarding sluggishness is if u are running one of those third party home apps like dxtop or ahome, I would try uninstalling those and see if your sluggishness goes away. Also, badly written widgets can cause slowdowns as well. The g1 isn't as fast as the 3g but it really isn't that slow. Especially if u are running ion at 528mhz or cyanogens rom.

jashsu said:
Just because i'm using and love the G1 doesn't mean the iPhone is a bad phone. I really don't have time to spend writing up a long convincing article why you should stay with the G1, let alone flame-coat it.
All hardware obsoletes, iPhone or otherwise. It's just a fact of tech life. If you constantly wait for the better hardware upgrade then you will never have any hardware at all.
Obviously the phone is better in some respects than others. But for example it will only sync with iTunes. I will never install iTunes or Quicktime ever again because they are poorly written pieces of spyware crap. Also, the cloud sync clearly prefers Mobile Me as the primary service. Remember when Mobile Me launched? It was a pile of cowpie. Even Apple admitted this.
The iPhone has a sleek interface and a powerful advertising machine behind it. That's why it and the iPod are such popular devices among consumers. However, being that I am an engineer by trade, I'm not so easily swayed by Apple's glitzy advertising. In that respect, iPhone's deficiencies, past and present come into stark contrast. For example, the inability to multitask userapps is just ridiculous. I actually want to receive my emails and instant messages in realtime, without having to open the Google App. Some people say "just use SMS", which opens up a whole new bag of rant about how SMS is the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever...
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Out of curiosity, how is SMS the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever?
Also, a friend of mine has a 3.0 beta developer firmware of the iPhone which allows multitasking. I myself found a cheap 4gb iPhone on Craigslist and am planning to unlock it for (most likely) a backup phone or business phone, when I've seen both phones and compared for about a week I'll post my findings here.
I was noticing the same sluggishness and such with the G1. You have to remember that, if you're like most users on the forum here, you -are- using an unsupported version of the phone, and it's not working how it's supposed to and how the provider intended for it to be used. Someone else mentioned this, but third-party apps also contribute to that. Depending on what you use, some apps could constantly be taking up extra memory and make your use of the G1 more of a chore, because of the time it takes to open up even a browser.
Anyway, to OP: You could just do what I did. Instead of spending $300 on a new iPhone that you have to dump out another extra $x-amount for new service at AT&Suck, why not just buy a used one on Craigslist or eBay and unlock it? Then you can use it with your current T-Mobile service and not have a lot of extra loss. You don't even need to get rid of your G1, just use one or the other as a backup or something.

What's the big deal with Flash anyway?

I mean..c'mon...is it really that important?
Or does everyone want Flash support soley because you can't have Flash on an iPad?
(aka the Neener Neener Neener Factor?) ("N3F" for short)
Like it or not, there are more iPads in the hands of consumers than there are any other type of tablet device.
An article from January 19 says that Apple sold nearly 15 million iPads in 2010.
That is 15 million mostly non-geeky people
(people who you would think NEED Flash more than your average geek on XDA).
Yet they are all okay with not having Flash.
Before having Flash, I would rather have a streaming NetFlix app, a good DLNA/uPnP app and since I'm on a mini-rant, I would like a really good video player.
The best I've tried so far is Act1...but it's still lacking in a few areas.

It's more a principle thing. First, you buy the device that is supposed to be flash enabled. It was not so waiting #1. Second, Adobe apparently announced the release of flash for today. So far, nothing again; waiting #2. If I buy a banana split with cream then I want my cream whether it's necessary or not
And c'mon, do you really really really have to drag the iPad vs. Xoom discussion in here again? I couldn't care less if other devices support flash or not. That doesn't make me feel better or worse. I only care about the Xoom.

My primary purpose for the tablet is email and web. I have been running the leaked flash since it came out. You get a smoother web experience with flash, in my opinion and use, because it seems to be everywhere. I don't want to have to open other apps or click other links for popups to get what should be there any way. I don't really follow the "I don't get all the flash adds" with my iPad. If it is an issue just turn the extension to "on demand". I like sitting down reading a web page and seeing the video link and then just clicking it to watch it. I don't like adding steps to a device I want to remove steps.
Is flash the ultimate solution? Doesn't appear to be, however until it is phased out to sites I visit daily then I need a tablet that can use it. I really tried to take back the Xoom and get an iPad 2, but it just won't do everything I want.
Flash is not a big deal to everyone, as not everyone buys a tablet for the same reason.

samtran0331 said:
I mean..c'mon...is it really that important?
Or does everyone want Flash support soley because you can't have Flash on an iPad?
(aka the Neener Neener Neener Factor?) ("N3F" for short)
Like it or not, there are more iPads in the hands of consumers than there are any other type of tablet device.
An article from January 19 says that Apple sold nearly 15 million iPads in 2010.
That is 15 million mostly non-geeky people
(people who you would think NEED Flash more than your average geek on XDA).
Yet they are all okay with not having Flash.
Before having Flash, I would rather have a streaming NetFlix app, a good DLNA/uPnP app and since I'm on a mini-rant, I would like a really good video player.
The best I've tried so far is Act1...but it's still lacking in a few areas.
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I agree totally, I mean I like knowing I have flash handy, but I don't wake up in the morning mourning the absence of flash, its more like " hey dude u wanna see the ultimate facepalm? Check it out" apart from those vids, I can't really say flash is a major part of the tablet experience... that's my view anyway
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I wouldn't say they (Ipad owners) are OK with it they don't have a choice. Its like living communist china. You live there because you don't have a choice not because you want to. How many downloads do you think flash for IPad would have the first day?
Anyway I'm kinda with you its not really that important but it is something thats nice to have. I'm just board waiting for 5pm so I can start smoking and drinking #winning.

Don't use it. Jeez. You don't even have to install the application. Who cares if 15 million people don't need Flash? If I wan't Flash I'll install Flash and I will use Flash. The iPad uses HTML5 as well, which can also be utilized Android. We have the best of both worlds... and until Flash is phased out of the internet, when it is needed, it will be used.
Was this thread made to show how advertising Flash as an amazing feature is stupid?
Was this thread made to show your own hate for Flash?
Was this thread made to prove that Flash isn't needed?
Was this thread made to "bash" Android fans who bash the fact that the iPad lacks Flash?
... or could it have even been to show that the iPad is selling millions and we should all be envious haters?
Really, if you don't get the point of Flash, and you don't like Flash -- just don't use the thing.

Its all abouth the kiddies being able to watch porn on their phones
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Its all abouth the kiddies being able to watch porn on their phones
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Well I already have porn I mean flash on my phone. Also I think if you don't like porn you are either really old or well I don't want to call you names its against the rules.

So the end of this thread is flash is cool to have, let's be honest, having more is good and that's what is provides for us android users, more freedom
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Well I already have porn I mean flash on my phone. Also I think if you don't like porn you are either really old or well I don't want to call you names its against the rules.
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+1!
If I want to watch porn I'll do it on the big screen. Also, there's always Skyfire that has a flash alternative... but I shouldn't give the "kiddies" too many bad ideas!

somehow flash isn't important on the day of the iPad1 release?
i feel like some people were born yesterday.
hi OP, you must be new to the internet.

That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
Hands down.

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That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
Hands down.
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Apple will integrate flash.
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Apple will integrate flash.
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My reply stands solid regardless of the comment about Apple products. Why people skip the whole point and focus on something else is beyond me. That was extra, not the main point. Geez.
I doubt Apple and Adobe will ever be on the same page. If they do, so what? By then Flash will be old news to the mobile world. Everyone will have it already in all shapes and forms, whether its the lite or the full version. In short.. no one will give a crap by that time because every OS will have already been with Flash for the longest time.

diablo2224 said:
That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
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Nope, I doubt my fat a$$ could fit under a rock.
I live in a house...and I'm actually a web developer and have been a web developer for about 16 years now.
I've done everything from PHP to CFM to JSP to ASP to ASP.Net....
And...at a former job--spent about 3 years developing....<drum roll>....Flash sites!

diablo2224 said:
My reply stands solid regardless of the comment about Apple products. Why people skip the whole point and focus on something else is beyond me. That was extra, not the main point. Geez.
I doubt Apple and Adobe will ever be on the same page. If they do, so what? By then Flash will be old news to the mobile world. Everyone will have it already in all shapes and forms, whether its the lite or the full version. In short.. no one will give a crap by that time because every OS will have already been with Flash for the longest time.
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I'm just saying Apple will provide flash on their OS. It's just a matter of time, weather they look for other sources or not, or even create their own interfaces... chill man, u gonna have a heart attack
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Flash is minor, I ain't no fanboy or whatever u like to call these people who only purchase certain items from one company...
All I'm sayin is when ur mum is on her iPhone and comes across a broken part of da page where flash should be, u think she gonna stress like us geeks? She ain't, she just gonna forget it and move on...
The end of this *****ing is Apple is the best... if u don't give a ****.
Android is the best if you have time to play around.
Is rather play around kos I have time to.
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Set your UA String to desktop and check out many websites in all their glory, it's pretty cool . ESPN, Yahoo, ABC, CBS, etc... It's just cool having the FULL web at your fingertips.
Also, some business websites require flash and that is why some people NEED it.

My look at it.
is flash god's gift? No it is not
is flash a good system? not really
ok.. I get it.. but here's the problem, there are lots of sites out there that use flash, benefit from it, and use it poorly and some use it pretty well
I WANT the option, I had an iphone for a while, and I remember looking for an address to a diner, or a menu for example, or just a lot of things, and it just did not work! it was stupid! now on my Captivate I get the option, yes its a little slow and sluggish, but i can at least get my info that I want.
long story short, I dont care for it too much, but this is the internet and even if we dont like things, with Jobs telling me that I can't have flash, tells me that I cant use the internet to the fullest potential.
I just hope that HTML5 kills Flash, but untill then, I need it.

OP.... yes I don't think flash is that big of a deal either.
Also, the 'iPad' sold a bunch of units in 2010. Guess what? Its 2011! The only thing available back then was the ipad. Now we have the xoom. Which is way better! Lol.
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Kindle Fire from a parents perspective

I have a Fire in the closet in the Amazon gift wrap which I originally purchased for my 10 yr old. She is pretty responsible so far but she is very very private and is not very open to talk about much, fairly introverted, heavy reader and artist.
So with the latest update still not providing any parental controls over content....yes I know I can use my router to filter traffic for the browser but I can't filter Amazon content. I can lock her out from making the purchase in the latest update I see.
At any rate, I am an avid phone tweaker and am pleased to see CM and ICS is well underway for the Fire.
My question is, is there any type of controls planned or built into the current custom roms or through third party apps? Would I be better off putting CM or ICS on it and using the Google Books and other apps for content? Or do you think I am better off letting her use it out of the box? She's 10 yrs old so she doesn't care about browser performance or quadrant scores.
I am wondering which will provide the best experience while giving me the most control over the use and content available on the device?

jamesnmandy said:
I have a Fire in the closet in the Amazon gift wrap which I originally purchased for my 10 yr old. She is pretty responsible so far but she is very very private and is not very open to talk about much, fairly introverted, heavy reader and artist.
So with the latest update still not providing any parental controls over content....yes I know I can use my router to filter traffic for the browser but I can't filter Amazon content. I can lock her out from making the purchase in the latest update I see.
At any rate, I am an avid phone tweaker and am pleased to see CM and ICS is well underway for the Fire.
My question is, is there any type of controls planned or built into the current custom roms or through third party apps? Would I be better off putting CM or ICS on it and using the Google Books and other apps for content? Or do you think I am better off letting her use it out of the box? She's 10 yrs old so she doesn't care about browser performance or quadrant scores.
I am wondering which will provide the best experience while giving me the most control over the use and content available on the device?
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As a parent myself my main concern would be control over purchases, as far as censoring content I'm a firm believer in letting children explore their curiosities and interests without a whole lot of intervention on my part aside from the open invitation that they can talk about anything at anytime. There are apps available that would allow you to lock out apps of your choosing, I'm sure if you do a search on the market you would find something suitable to your needs. As far as custom roms vs. amazons rom I don't personally think either one would be better than the other for this purpose. Hope I helped you in some way and I apologize if I didn't.

neilrl79 said:
As a parent myself my main concern would be control over purchases, as far as censoring content I'm a firm believer in letting children explore their curiosities and interests without a whole lot of intervention on my part aside from the open invitation that they can talk about anything at anytime. There are apps available that would allow you to lock out apps of your choosing, I'm sure if you do a search on the market you would find something suitable to your needs. As far as custom roms vs. amazons rom I don't personally think either one would be better than the other for this purpose. Hope I helped you in some way and I apologize if I didn't.
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Black anything with black men. Don't want her turning in to Dakota Fanning in The Secret Life of Bees movie.
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I have 3 kids. I am not censoring them, thats imho not necessary. My parental control is that i have personal look to what they are doing and i think its better to do that personally instead of using censorship programs.
Because my kids know how to workaround any censorship software anyway, they are not stupid. But basically they are not interested in stuff that will be censored anyway.
Typical american censorship anyway is very stupid. Not to allow porn stuff but to allow brutality and murdering and killing people is pretty much pathetic.
So i better stick on talking with my kids about what they are watching, if i find something where i should be concerned.

usurpine said:
I have 3 kids. I am not censoring them, thats imho not necessary. My parental control is that i have personal look to what they are doing and i think its better to do that personally instead of using censorship programs.
Because my kids know how to workaround any censorship software anyway, they are not stupid. But basically they are not interested in stuff that will be censored anyway.
Typical american censorship anyway is very stupid. Not to allow porn stuff but to allow brutality and murdering and killing people is pretty much pathetic.
So i better stick on talking with my kids about what they are watching, if i find something where i should be concerned.
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so the reality is i cannot sit on top of my kid all the time nor do i desire to, i do follow up and leave things always open, i am not looking for a passive parenting tool, nor do i really give a damn what anyone else thinks about my methods. I do not believe in censorship. I also don't think it is appropriate to put something in a 10 yr olds hands that has access to absolutely anything the internet has to offer. To me that is a bit of apathetic complacency....."they aren't interested in that stuff". Fine, if they aren't they won't miss it anyways then. Exactly what positive could possibly come from them having access to everything out there at 10 years old? Life is really long and serious, there is plenty of time to learn about the world, in due time, no need to accidentally learn about Big Black ***** go to Vegas #18 at age 10.
So my question remains, which rom would you choose? The official Amazon OS with only access to the Amazon market and content and being subject to whatever Amazon pushes my way, or the CM/ICS experience that gives me complete control, access to the official android market, and no restrictions on what browser, etc....can be used.

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So my question remains, which rom would you choose? The official Amazon OS with only access to the Amazon market and content and being subject to whatever Amazon pushes my way, or the CM/ICS experience that gives me complete control, access to the official android market, and no restrictions on what browser, etc....can be used.
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There is no kid version... You are asking for complete control from someone who might possibly end up knowing more about the device than you do. Kids have something that parents dont.... lots of time.
You might get more capabilities with a non-Kindle Rom, but I don't think you are going to find what you are looking for.
10yo is a bit young to have that type of unfettered access... I know what I would have done with it when I was that age.
My two kids are grown up, but they would have been okay with it. I know other kids that other family members have where there is NO WAY I would give them a device like that at that age or even much older.

I would say filter at home through the router. Asfor content and filtering, i thimk the stock rom is best.
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krelvinaz said:
There is no kid version... You are asking for complete control from someone who might possibly end up knowing more about the device than you do. Kids have something that parents dont.... lots of time.
You might get more capabilities with a non-Kindle Rom, but I don't think you are going to find what you are looking for.
10yo is a bit young to have that type of unfettered access... I know what I would have done with it when I was that age.
My two kids are grown up, but they would have been okay with it. I know other kids that other family members have where there is NO WAY I would give them a device like that at that age or even much older.
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well i got my girls, I have two, a netbook which we let them use, in the family room, with us around. we aren't looking over their shoulder.....but there's something about being in the same room with the parents that makes an impression. They are not allowed to take the netbook to their bedroom. They are not allowed to have cable tv on their tv either. They are lucky to have a tv in their bedroom with a dvd player, neither my wife nor I did. Hell we didn't even have a Nintendo.....
we aren't even religious....just trying to be good parents, let them have room as they get older, but i am not going to just give a 7 and 10 yr old complete access to the internet
i was actually thinking about swapping it out for one of the lesser Kindles without browser and such
I was really hoping maybe there existed a "Kidzui" for Android type of rom or app.

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Black anything with black men. Don't want her turning in to Dakota Fanning in The Secret Life of Bees movie.
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Your not serious are you? Please tell me you aren't?
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^^^^^^^ What she said

[Discuss] Microsoft have lost it with new W8. How it's created out of frustration.

Before I start please know that I've been a MS fan since my first desktop running Win98 and also loved MS phones when it was called 'Windows Mobile'.
I've just installed the W8 Consumer Preview out of curiosity and the beautiful Metro UI. Now, I'm a big fan of the Metro UI but not on my desktop PC please!
I'm a gfx/web designer I spend hours on PC everyday and the whole Metro and Desktop thing going on here makes me wanna kill someone!
It's hard multitasking and not that productive either. First, I blame Facebook for the whole "share" thing going on! and finally Apple's "great" iphone for this don't ask me why. If you just connect all the dots since the iphone's release you can understand how every apple competitor tried to turn their products more simpler or iphone'ish and that's the bitter truth though I absolutely hate that piece of crap!
It's like history repeating itself. How Microsoft lost all their "Windows Mobile" customers(including me) and market share when they introduced new WP7. They went average to worse! Previous "Windows Mobile" tech savvy's or a power user like me switched to Android and rest iphones.
Clearly, that was a wrong move by MS, they took risk with something new instead of improving what they already have with the "Windows Mobile".
In present, MS wants to make WP7 successful so they're feeding their successful huge community of PC users with their touch/portable OS crap! **** I even hate the term "Apps" now!! I want the gold old "softwares" back! Using W8 on my on 20" LED screen is a waste. Since the new Metro UI doesn't allow resizing any "Apps" or I cant keep more than 2 open. It's same as using apps on my 4" Android phone! Yes, I can work on the W8 stripped down desktop UI for a while but that just steals the experience when Metro is designed as the prime UI for W8.
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
No, I don't care if its just a consumer preview or whatever. Previous Win OS beta builds and final builds never had huge noticeable differences. W8 looks like it was made out of frustration.
Of course I can stick to W7 but for how long ? it's gonna saturate at some point of time. W8 has changed everything including the MetroUI. Looks like MS is killing everything they created for themselves in past years even their company logo. And of course "Windows" was the biggest part of MS' success.
In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
This is just my assumption and opinion. Personally I'm an MS fan and never thought I'd critic MS like this.
Please share your thoughts

My thoughts are, I'm sticking with w7
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Personally I Loved The Metro Ui
It Just A Fantastic Ui
Even On NoN-TouchScreen
But I Think That Microsoft Should Add The Button "Enable/Disable Metro Ui"
For Desktop Fans !

bornotty said:
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
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Tons of alternatives to both (look up Ubuntu, perhaps). No reason to be worried.
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In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
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I agree; I think the temptation to try to bundle desktop with mobile will be too strong. The problem is the explosive growth of small devices, compared to the slacking growth of PCs.

The failure oft Ms ist, Thats they direct kill the Old style Startmenu. It would habe been a Wetter way Tod implement Metro as a Kind of Background replacement in an classic environment. So you would have the free choice of your Personal experience.
But wich the current way, you Are forced To Use the experience , they want .
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When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.

Arnt there enough "I h8 windows 8" threads already?!?
The basic function of the operating system are fundamentally the same. The start menus functionality is the same, it just looks different. The lost start button is replaced by a function tile in an identical place which works in the same way. The jumping in and out of the start menu is as quick as it ever was. The desktop works in the same way as it always did. Apps are on almost all platforms now.
So I guess I'm saying, I don't get you. Windows 7 will still exist, my god there are still people running vista & there were some real problems to complain about there.

I live the fact that when I type it starts searching
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My biggest peeve so far is that it seems to ditch functionality in favor of flair.
I have no problem with a beautiful UI--but Metro is, on a rather consistent basis, slowing down my workflow.
For example, open settings in Metro, and you are greeted with a side tab with a few options: Settings, Help, Network, blah blah blah, and what's this? More settings.
When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
And why the hell isn't there just a simple "Settings" tile in the Metro start screen? That's what I would look for first--but no, you have to hover your mouse over the bottom right corner, then mouse up and click settings, only to be asked which of the two pointless menus you'd like to access. And if you really want to do anything worthwhile with your PC's settings, you're in the completely wrong frigging place, because Microsoft had the infinite foresight to make the control panel completely separate from the settings menu.

I hate the start up screen and how it makes me grab the screen with the mouse like a touch screen to get it out of the way.
I hate how it hooks me up completely to MSN, making me log into my desktop and MSN at the same time.
I hate how unintuitive the mash of Metro and Desktop is. If you open IE from Metro and IE from the Desktop - why do they launch separate instances that don't look the same, act the same...it is pure garbage.
The list goes on and on... but lets run into the first three things I found WRONG in the first 30 seconds.

Simply avoid Metro UI as much as possible if you're using your PC for highly productive work. While Metro UI is great for entertaining, e.g. reading books, watching movies, social network etc. it simply cannot handle multiple tasks at the same time.
I don't work on Metro UI either, but now I've got used to staying with the classic UI. The only thing that's still frustrating is some great features can only be found in Metro style. Like skydrive integration, mail and people etc. I wish there were equivalent applications on classic desktop, so I don't have to switch between two interfaces from time to time.

Sorry to hear your disappointment. I actually like the Metro UI. I give MS credit for doing something different instead of re-hashing to same old user interface.
Only issue so far is jumping back and forth between Metro and old Win7 style. Nevertheless, to each his own.

dialupboy said:
When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.
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Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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Lol this like the other 20 "I hate windows 8" posts are all just troll boards. You may be clear on your "facts" but your facts arnt facts, there opinions, & you know what they say about opinions "opinions are like arseholes, everyone got them!
Come on mods, lock this thread! There are enough Microsoft sucks threads already.
I personally come to xda dev for answers not opinions. You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it. Just leave us folks to discuss real issues (harware/software) conflicts and solutions.

bornotty said:
Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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bah I AM using it on my pc with kb and mouse, I don't see "the problems" , it is fast , easy to use , sure you need to learn new things, but I am sure 8 years old kid wont have problem with the new stuff. You and others like you are just whiners, Pathetic.

i never understood why almost every os had a start-menu-like button in one of its corners. it has never been user friendly, klicking and klicking and more and more "apps" Pop up it's getting confusing. that has never been intuitiv from the beginnung and just got it because we were used to it. and it was kind of stupid, why just using a small part of the screen for one of the most importing tasks: getting an app/program/software started.
i love the new Metro ui, even on the pc. and your just one click away from a Desktop-similar experience so wtf is everybody worrying about?

m0nkf1sh said:
You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it.
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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.

For me it's great so far

Tsenru said:
When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
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Because that's the general settings section for each application and not for the entire system. It saves you from searching for the settings menu for each app. So it's more integrated into the Metro-UI. It is quite convinient.

thebobp said:
That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.
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Don't buy from Dell etc. Build your own and download Ubuntu etc. I've never HAD to buy an operating system & all the companies that preinstall windows sell over priced rubbish anyway.

Why don't Operating Systems give you choice any more?

I can get on board with Windows Phone 8 or even IOS but the only thing I cannot stand is how they don't allow you to have choice. On Android even though it doesn't come as standard any more, I can still download the APK and install Flash Player myself. Average users can just use the OS and never install flash but I'm still allowed to install it as it's a personal need.
Now Windows Phone 8 is out and it is another OS that doesn't allow you to install software they haven't approved. It just pisses me off so much, especially seeing as they don't have BBCiPlayer yet which uses flash. I mean everyone will tell you these days that flash sucks, no one uses it and yet every site I seem to go to does, even Youtube has lots of flash only content you cannot play with HTML5. I mean is HTML5 even going to become the new standard? I don't see people picking it up very fast.
I just don't get why people don't want choice any more, they seem quite happy to defend being controlled and told how to use their phone. I find IOS harder to use than Android and many people I meet do, I mean things like sharing files between your device and your PC which should be so easy has become so hard. You used to be able to just plug in your phone and it would show as a HDD, now however with IOS and I'm sure Windows Phone 8, you cannot do that. I find it funny because people actually do find these so called user friendly devices harder to use. It's like Windows 8 now and how their new Metro UI has tried to make things look so simple that they've hidden all the options. Things once simple to do, you have to right click and then search in settings to find they've removed the feature to keep the UI looking clean.
I'm just sick of it, the least Microsoft could do is allow third party software to be installed as an option for advanced users. This would at least make up for the lack of functionality on a new OS... no BBCiPlayer? No problem, use the Desktop site which I always do on Android anyways as it has far more functionality and content than the app, the same goes for Youtube.

HTML5 is the new standard. It is adobe's policy and attempts to try to maintain the monopoly over the market-share, combined with pure ignorance from established web developers that still keep it alive.
Installing third party software on a phone is kinda dangerous. Your phone is not a desktop PC, it has limited uses, and it should be regarded as such...
Oh and there is really no reason not to have your functional app on the marketplace. If your app is that awesome and yet you can't get it from the marketplace, then there is something wrong with it.
Don't forget about piracy.

Firstly the phone has limited uses? I've got the same Nokia phone that I've had since 2003 and it works fine. I've had the GS2 for a year and a half now and loaded countless custom roms and third party software and the phone is perfectly fine. Also on that point like I've said I've loaded countless amounts of third party software on Android from torrents or other sites and my phone has been fine. I've put lots of different firmware types on my phone and it has been fine. I don't see anything dangerous about it other than being an idiot enough to load some virus onto your phone.
Apps don't get to the market half the time not because there is anything wrong with it but because Microsoft or Apple simply don't want it on their platform. There is nothing wrong with saying you can flick this switch to open you phone but then have a warning saying you void your warranty or whatever if you brick your phone. Why don't they do this? I just think it all comes done to being scared of piracy more than anything and tbh that isn't a good enough excuse.
HTML5 isn't the new standard because 90% of the sites I go to still use flash and not HTML5. I just don't get why they'd say you can never install this on your phone, why not? All these fanboi claims of how bad it is has led to the downfall. I don't know what machines these people are using, I guess they're made up ones because I've never had a problem with flash, it has always run fine and never crashes all the time like people say... not on my GS2 and not on my Desktop. I'd say Flash is one of the most stable things on my system, I mean games crash far more often, surely ban games then for being unstable and poorly coded? Frigging barely any games are multithreaded even now, BAN THEM ALL!

^ What he said ^
All in all WP8 was a huuuge disappointment. At least for me

Venekor said:
Firstly the phone has limited uses? I've got the same Nokia phone that I've had since 2003 and it works fine. I've had the GS2 for a year and a half now and loaded countless custom roms and third party software and the phone is perfectly fine. Also on that point like I've said I've loaded countless amounts of third party software on Android from torrents or other sites and my phone has been fine. I've put lots of different firmware types on my phone and it has been fine. I don't see anything dangerous about it other than being an idiot enough to load some virus onto your phone.
Apps don't get to the market half the time not because there is anything wrong with it but because Microsoft or Apple simply don't want it on their platform. There is nothing wrong with saying you can flick this switch to open you phone but then have a warning saying you void your warranty or whatever if you brick your phone. Why don't they do this? I just think it all comes done to being scared of piracy more than anything and tbh that isn't a good enough excuse.
HTML5 isn't the new standard because 90% of the sites I go to still use flash and not HTML5. I just don't get why they'd say you can never install this on your phone, why not? All these fanboi claims of how bad it is has led to the downfall. I don't know what machines these people are using, I guess they're made up ones because I've never had a problem with flash, it has always run fine and never crashes all the time like people say... not on my GS2 and not on my Desktop. I'd say Flash is one of the most stable things on my system, I mean games crash far more often, surely ban games then for being unstable and poorly coded? Frigging barely any games are multithreaded even now, BAN THEM ALL!
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Yes, a phone has limited uses, you can't replace your PC with your phone no matter how much you want that.
Second, downloading apps from torrent is illegal. You have quite a lot of gutts to post such misery on a developer's forums, and i, as a developer, take great offense to that, so please get my sincere GTFO.
Third, Custom roms are something that android needs to survive, without it there would be no android. Windows Phone doesn't need that.
About HTML5, yes it is the standard, but people aren't forced to adapt by the standards instantly, they have a lot of time. But as this time runs out, flash will become extinct, therefore there is no reason to implement flash on new phones, as in 3 year's time, flash will be gone.
If your games have worse stability than flash I suggest you:
Get new RAM, your existing one is damaged.
Reinstall your Operating system, and don't pirate it.
Check your error logs, you will see flash is very unstable.

A ton of websites use HTML5.
Not a lot of websites use the new HTML5 video and audio elements.
A lot of the websites that do use them, either fall back to flash / Silverlight or use flash / Silverlight, first, and fall back to the HTML5 video and audio elements.
The websites that I work with, that use video and audio, do Silverlight, first, and fall back to HTML5 video and audio.
The biggest reasons are...
1: Very little native full-screen support (Chrome has it, but that's about it)
2: Firefox and Opera don't support MP4 / MP3 (we have to produce video is MP4 and WebM and audio in MP3 and OGG)
3: Our live broadcasts use the SmoothStreaming technology (only iOS and Android 3+ support that for HTML5 video - Silverlight supports it and supports most computers)
It is worth noting that I COMPLETELY agree with the point of this thread, though.
The iPhone started a trend of consumerizing smartphones.
As such, a lot of big business is still using Blackberry and Windows Mobile.
I would not be surprised, at all, if, in the next five years, we started seeing another separation of consumer versus professional.
The last few years have really tried to re-integrate the two and it hasn't worked, very well.
JJ

If 90 percent of the sites you visit still use flash then you're going to some low-quality porn sites... Also, WP8 does have disk mode, it also syncs through media player in the same way WinMo did.

mcosmin222 said:
Yes, a phone has limited uses, you can't replace your PC with your phone no matter how much you want that.
Second, downloading apps from torrent is illegal. You have quite a lot of gutts to post such misery on a developer's forums, and i, as a developer, take great offense to that, so please get my sincere GTFO.
Third, Custom roms are something that android needs to survive, without it there would be no android. Windows Phone doesn't need that.
About HTML5, yes it is the standard, but people aren't forced to adapt by the standards instantly, they have a lot of time. But as this time runs out, flash will become extinct, therefore there is no reason to implement flash on new phones, as in 3 year's time, flash will be gone.
If your games have worse stability than flash I suggest you:
Get new RAM, your existing one is damaged.
Reinstall your Operating system, and don't pirate it.
Check your error logs, you will see flash is very unstable.
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"downloading apps from torrent is illegal"
Uh... Not really. He never said what apps he was downloading. Torrents != piracy.

SilverHedgehog said:
"downloading apps from torrent is illegal"
Uh... Not really. He never said what apps he was downloading. Torrents != piracy.
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Preach, preacha!!!
I would agree that a majority of torrents are copyrighted material, but certainly not everything.
Almost every Linux distribution utilizes torrent as their main means of downloading.
JJ

Venekor said:
On Android even though it doesn't come as standard any more, I can still download the APK and install Flash Player myself. Average users can just use the OS and never install flash but I'm still allowed to install it as it's a personal need.
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On my Jelly Bean I can't do this.

How is having Flash choice?
Can I get Flash from Microsoft or Flash from Apple or Flash from Google? nope, all versions of flash were done by one company. That's not competition or freedom, that is lock in. If Adobe didn't like your OS and phone you didn't get Flash.
HTML5 is like a universal language for all web enabled devices, we're better without these proprietary closed and restricted plugins.

After years if constantly flashing new ROMs and such. I for one am glad to be at WP8.
"Hello, my name is LudoGris and I am a flashaholic. I recently switched to Windows Phone 8 and have not had the urge to flash anything since. I am well on my way to being cured." ?
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LudoGris said:
After years if constantly flashing new ROMs and such. I for one am glad to be at WP8.
"Hello, my name is LudoGris and I am a flashaholic. I recently switched to Windows Phone 8 and have not had the urge to flash anything since. I am well on my way to being cured." ?
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I got a little laugh out of this one. Thanks. I agree a bit here. That's what happened to me when I went from pre WinMo 7 to iOS. Now I'm back on Android because of how tired I was of the inability to do something as simple as customize the homescreen. Really, I don't care which one I use and, honestly, I'd use different ones at different times depending on needs and even mood. I flash a little bit with my Android but really like to get settled on something and not have to worry about it. That doesn't work out that often on Android, unfortunately. That's why I relate to the comment on "flashaholic...being cured". I'd like to try out WinPhone 8 for a little bit, but the first thing to turn me off big is the same thing that bothers me on the Win8 desktop, the integration with the MS ecosystem. I'm tied to Google apps and don't feel like switching. It makes most sense for me to use a Google OS because of the strong integration with Google apps.
All that being said, it's just a phone, it's just a desktop, just let me get what I want to get done on the two and have a real life! LOL

The basic fault with the argument here is that the ability to sideload applications has been there in various ways since WP7 came along. It wouldn't help you with your problems though. IE9 on WP7 and IE10 on WP8 simply don't have any plugin support so you wouldn't be able to add any.
The complete architecture of Android is more open and geared towards customization. The effect of that is that we frequently have Apps that don't run (well) on different OS versions, have stuttering problems or have to wait for ages and ages until the customized code gets updates. Allowing for a lot of flexibility with the system makes updating and changing code really challenging. I've encountered numerous of those problems on my GS2. Of course it's running reasonably well after I put CM9.1 on there and didn't bother to change much else but that's hardly how I would use my primary phone (installing Twitter killed Video playback for me on the Stock ROM - for whatever reason).
So basically as a consumer the tradeoff comes down to having everything work as intended without much possibilities to make the system misbehave versus a customized system that I can break at times. It seems there is not much of a middle ground there. We'll have to see how this plays out in the end as Microsoft is indeed adding integration points for developers to use to the system that make it more flexible while still enforcing certain guidelines.
On the whole Flash vs. HTML5 debate. Actually HTML5 can't replace Flash and Silverlight in many use cases. There are not even any standard proposals for certain functionalities that have been part of those Plugins for ages. Webcam-Support, DRM'd Video/Audio, etc. For those reasons alone it will be quite a long time before HTML5 really could replace them. Another important part is that there has been lots of money invested in building sites on top of those technologies. Over 90% of all Web activity still originate on classic PCs/Notebooks that have Flash support so unless your target audience is particularilly Smartphone/Tablet focussed (e.g. Gadget Blogs, etc.) you simply don't feel much pressure to move away from something that works just fine right now.
However Apple led the charge to kill Flash, Microsoft chimed in and in the end even Adobe decided to jump onto that train - even though none of them had a clue how to replace the technology. This clearly showed when Microsoft decided to revive Flash in Windows 8's Metro IE. I still doubt we will see any renewed development of Flash for mobile operating systems and it remains to be seen how long it will keep running on Android given that it has been abandonned by Adobe. It all comes down to the fact that the industry decided to move away from Flash and for better or worse that is what is happening right now. As soon as mobile really becomes important for the web industry things will start changing, right now it simply isn't or it is far easier to simply write an App then messing with a website that's working right now.

Android doesnt let you customize as much as maemo5, but still people choose it.
C'est la vie, necafé?
Personally Im enjoying wp8 for what it is: a smartphone OS. If it was a laptop Id be inclined to agree that it would be too limiting, but its not.

Slai said:
Android doesnt let you customize as much as maemo5, but still people choose it.
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While people like to customize, they also want to have an OS that's actually supported.

LudoGris said:
After years if constantly flashing new ROMs and such. I for one am glad to be at WP8.
"Hello, my name is LudoGris and I am a flashaholic. I recently switched to Windows Phone 8 and have not had the urge to flash anything since. I am well on my way to being cured." ?
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@LudoGris
Do you know if your device is gonna get software upgrades or have you been able to flash new software. I have the same version as you have but won't be able to flash something new on it.

itsa porno thing
Just go to the jack-shack its cheaper

I was like you : I thought using iOS or WP was a regression because of lack of freedom. I used to heavily flash my Android devices... then I discovered WP (7.5 first, then 8). I really like it because it's simple... and it's working ! No need to flash, no need to choose another launcher, no need to get lost in settings : it works ! It's stable, fluid and ergonomy is great.
I really like WP8 "launcher" AKA Metro. I think it has the best way to personalize information by choosing what is the more pertinent for each user.
I can live in a closed OS if it answer to all my needs... With WP8, it's the case !

zepretender said:
I was like you : I thought using iOS or WP was a regression because of lack of freedom. I used to heavily flash my Android devices...
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We probably don't need another "me too" here, but I have to say, you've summed up my experience perfectly I was thrilled to flash AOKP's ICS and JB onto my old single-core Samsung Fascinate, and then I could get Nova Launcher with gestures and docks and more options than I can recall; but all those new features were slow, slow, slow. So I flashed the Devil kernel and tried different govenors, but of course YGWYPF and my battery life went down the tubes. I had replaced almost all the stock apps with better versions from the market, but my app collection grew to well over a hundred and I needed Titanium Backup to manage it all. So here I am doing like high-level IT support just to get my phone to work as a phone. It was very pretty but my wife was complaining about how I always missed her calls.
My new HTC 8X is such a revelation. There's nothing to do except use it, and it works perfectly. There's no lag ever; everything is right there or at most one or two clicks away, and the stock apps are just fine, thank you. Sure, I have my hit-list of missing features but none rise even to the level of annoyance, and I expect there will be improvement.
My only concern is developer interest. I read this about an IDC survey:
According to IDC, which surveyed almost 5,000 developers, Windows 8 and Windows Phone are in a lot of trouble. While iOS (iPhone, iPad), Android (handsets and tablets), and HTML5/mobile web fall well above that crucial 50 percent mark, Windows 8 and Windows Phone fall well short. Only 33 percent of developers said they were very interested in writing Windows 8 “Metro” apps. And only 21 percent were interested in doing so for Windows Phone.
(Fully 85 percent of responders were very interested in writing iPhone apps, and 83 percent were very interested in writing iPad apps. Android handsets and tablets came in at 76 percent and 66 percent, respectively, whereas HTML5/mobile web was at 66 percent as well.)
So we'll see. I think the new handsets from Nokia and HTC will help draw attention to how good the O/S is; but it seems Microsoft is trying now to make itself into a better Apple, only Apple was there first.