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Why would you want Honeycomb (on a phone?)

Well there's the question, why would you want Honeycomb on your fascinate? I mean, it looks nice from what I saw of the xoom demo but it really doesn't look like it would be nice on a phone just yet, so why ask/want it, why not wait until something actually meant for a phone is developed?
I just don't understand the want/"NEED" for honeycomb on my fascinate, can't we just keep it to actual phone OS's for now?

gabenoob said:
Well there's the question, why would you want Honeycomb on your fascinate? I mean, it looks nice from what I saw of the xoom demo but it really doesn't look like it would be nice on a phone just yet, so why ask/want it, why not wait until something actually meant for a phone is developed?
I just don't understand the want/"NEED" for honeycomb on my fascinate, can't we just keep it to actual phone OS's for now?
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Same reason everyone wanted DJ05, DL09 and DL30...they always want something new. Instead of optimizing what they have and being content, they rather complain and wish for something better to come along.

I get that, but whats with the wanting of this new thing if its not even meant for a phone; I mean I wouldn't want something clunky and literally designed for something bigger on a 'tiny' device. It would just be wrong. I fail to see how even those who continually ask for new shiny things would overlook the real incompatabiliteis with a phone. I can see asking for Gingerbread, but even that's a bit much. I mean, we have Froyo, and now my brother with his fancy incredible is actually jealous of my phone. I think things are great, and I understand the desire for new shiny things, but honeycomb really isn't for phones, so why be ignorant of that?

gabenoob said:
I get that, but whats with the wanting of this new thing if its not even meant for a phone; I mean I wouldn't want something clunky and literally designed for something bigger on a 'tiny' device. It would just be wrong. I fail to see how even those who continually ask for new shiny things would overlook the real incompatabiliteis with a phone. I can see asking for Gingerbread, but even that's a bit much. I mean, we have Froyo, and now my brother with his fancy incredible is actually jealous of my phone. I think things are great, and I understand the desire for new shiny things, but honeycomb really isn't for phones, so why be ignorant of that?
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keep in mind though...froyo wasn't meant for our specific phones either...we're all running a leaked version. For all we know, after a year of addl development the next ota update may be honeycomb...

jenisiz said:
keep in mind though...froyo wasn't meant for our specific phones either...we're all running a leaked version. For all we know, after a year of addl development the next ota update may be honeycomb...
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honeycomb is for tablets!!

ace5198 said:
honeycomb is for tablets!!
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3.0's UI is meant to be able to scale down to phone sizes. The current developer preview doesn't work exceptionally well when that's done to it (it's buggy, but obviously meant to), but it's not anywhere near a finished product (it's really meant to show the APIs).
Android also isn't being forked, there isn't going to be a Phone version and a Tablet version, future phones will be running the 3 series (they might wait for 3.1, but they will run 3). They will pretty much have to if any of them want to use the newer dual-core CPUs that should be just about to hit the phone segment.
Also, don't forget that Android 3.0 adds a fair bit of new APIs, not all of which are meant exclusively for tablets (there's a fair bit of HW acceleration stuff, IIRC).

KitsuneKnight said:
3.0's UI is meant to be able to scale down to phone sizes. The current developer preview doesn't work exceptionally well when that's done to it (it's buggy, but obviously meant to), but it's not anywhere near a finished product (it's really meant to show the APIs).
Android also isn't being forked, there isn't going to be a Phone version and a Tablet version, future phones will be running the 3 series (they might wait for 3.1, but they will run 3). They will pretty much have to if any of them want to use the newer dual-core CPUs that should be just about to hit the phone segment.
Also, don't forget that Android 3.0 adds a fair bit of new APIs, not all of which are meant exclusively for tablets (there's a fair bit of HW acceleration stuff, IIRC).
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im sure that it could be scaled down to use on a phone.. and actually i believe somewhere i seen that it was.. but everything ive read said its desinged specifically for tabs.. im sure there will be a 3.1 or 2.5,,6,7,8 or whatecer for the new apis.. but everything ive read says 3.0 is for tabs.. im not saying im right.. but thats just what ive read

ace5198 said:
im sure that it could be scaled down to use on a phone.. and actually i believe somewhere i seen that it was.. but everything ive read said its desinged specifically for tabs.. im sure there will be a 3.1 or 2.5,,6,7,8 or whatecer for the new apis.. but everything ive read says 3.0 is for tabs.. im not saying im right.. but thats just what ive read
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The new user interface is designed for tablets, as well as parts of the new APIs. Nothing prevents you from replacing the launcher, and hopefully by the time Honeycomb stabilizes, the new Launcher won't just force close at lower resolutions (but this isn't meant to be a preview of the new interface, but of the APIs).

I don't understand you question.
Honeycomb is simply the natural progression of Android. Hence why its 3.0. Eventually all Android devices will be on 3.x of some kind just as iOS was able to merge its variant it made for the iPad with the rest of the family.
Google had a separate team continue to small upgrades in the 2.x line while the AAA team worked on a tablet enahnced 3.0 Honeycomb variant.
I'm sure as this year moves (early next) on we'll see a 3.1 version come out that has the appropriate scaling features to handle screens of all sizes.
This is evidenced by the same Gmail app being used in both. Just different views based on overall screen size. Also, 3.0 and 2.3 have code to allow devs to make different views based on screen size. The base code is there, its just now gotta be merged to be one line again.
So, why do I want honeycomb? I don't. I want to continue to be using the latest version of Android, what its build version is is not important. (2.3, 2.4, 3.0, 3.1) As long as its made to work with the hardware I have and adds improvements, I want it.

Stop the debate:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/03/google-will-not-bring-honeycomb-to-smartphones/

mexiken said:
Stop the debate:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/03/google-will-not-bring-honeycomb-to-smartphones/
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All that says is 3.0 i.e. Honeycomb won't be on phones. I am sure a later 3.x version will once the code has been merged from 2.x.

I thought 3.0 is where we finally get hardware accelerated UI, is this correct?
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superchunkwii said:
All that says is 3.0 i.e. Honeycomb won't be on phones. I am sure a later 3.x version will once the code has been merged from 2.x.
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And this thread is about Honeycomb... Not 3.x versions.

crookshanks said:
And this thread is about Honeycomb... Not 3.x versions.
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Honeycomb is 3.0

gabenoob said:
Well there's the question, why would you want Honeycomb on your fascinate? I mean, it looks nice from what I saw of the xoom demo but it really doesn't look like it would be nice on a phone just yet, so why ask/want it, why not wait until something actually meant for a phone is developed?
I just don't understand the want/"NEED" for honeycomb on my fascinate, can't we just keep it to actual phone OS's for now?
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I'd want the built-in data encryption features.

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Hmm alright; what I was asking is that where it stands now it is a Tablet OS, why would anyone want something like that on a phone. As shown in the link, google does not mean for Honeycomb to be brought to phones (3.0) but maybe at a later date a later variant of the 3.1 series will.
The original question I had in mind was why would anyone want it, in its current state, on a phone, as I've seen threads asking for it; and for the life of me I can't find a good reason.

superchunkwii said:
Honeycomb is 3.0
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I was referring to your "later 3.x versions" comment. This thread was about why anyone wanted 3.0 specifically, not later versions.

crookshanks said:
I was referring to your "later 3.x versions" comment. This thread was about why anyone wanted 3.0 specifically, not later versions.
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Absolutely right, my post was to the validity of the entire discussion as its obvious 3.0 is just the initial tablet offering and as Android continues through 3.x it will be on phones as well.
Basically, I find the entire constant discussion here, BGR, other sites about Honeycomb being a Tablet OS and why is Google diverging Android to just be stupid. To me the version "3.0" should have been enough to satisfy everyone that eventually features you see in Honeycomb will be on phones. Like Google's going to lock themselves in 2.x for the rest of Android phone's life.

Honestly I don't understand it. Other than a very small number of users, myself not included, do people really see a big difference in the use of their phones? I use mine for calling, texting, e-mail and occasional web browsing. Other than flash support, I haven't noticed any ground breaking improvements over DJ05 with DL30. I can't imagine Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Lucky Charms or Poptart making a huge difference in the day to day use of my phone either.
Or maybe I'm wrong and Honeycomb cures cancer.

HC Has a hidden GB like type UI!

We got HC 3.1 on the dell streak 7 and the lcd density was too low making everything small. I bumped it from 120 to 190 and rebooted and was shocked.. it was a different UI! It was like GB. Setting the LCD Density to 160 and below gave us the HC UI 170 and higher gave us the GB UI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8m_Qawds9o

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Nice find...but really get out our forum

Interesting
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bwcorvus said:
Get out our forum
Nice find...but really get out our forum
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hahah you know you love me BW Besides you wouldnt want me telling everyone here you're also an op on the Asus transformer channel would you? hahaha

graffixnyc said:
hahah you know you love me BW Besides you wouldnt want me telling everyone here you're also an op on the Asus transformer channel would you? hahaha
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What can i say, i get around...

trader!!!!

Old news. This circulated round when the SDK was previewable.

What file did you modify to manually change the LCD density?

This has been known since the SDK... yet Engadget is reporting on it again

Please forgive my pure "noob" question...
Please forgive the pure "noob" question I am about to ask but does this mean that Honeycomb is not really a Full OS and just a build up on Gingerbread?
Im not sure if that even makes any sence but the one reason I bought my Xoom (which I am excitedly waiting to have shipped to me) is because of the Honeycomb Tablet "Optimized" OS otherwise I would have just bought a Galaxy Tab...

Just-in-time said:
trader!!!!
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Is that supposed to be "traitor"?

I have yet to find a way to change the density on the xoom, anyone try this yet?

yiannisthegreek said:
Please forgive the pure "noob" question I am about to ask but does this mean that Honeycomb is not really a Full OS and just a build up on Gingerbread?
Im not sure if that even makes any sence but the one reason I bought my Xoom (which I am excitedly waiting to have shipped to me) is because of the Honeycomb Tablet "Optimized" OS otherwise I would have just bought a Galaxy Tab...
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Gingerbread and honeycomb are separate. Both are self contained OS. For all practical purposes...In the world there is a kernel that is the operating system and everything else (drivers, interface and on is just additions to be able to use the kernel). Just as windows 7 is not vista or XP, they are separate. Combined all together is the OS.

So what makes GB so special and better than HC?

One was designed for small devices GB and HC is still young but made for tablets. they both serve a different purpose. Each one is seperate and one is not better then the other. For instance HC on my Htc evo would not make any sence. Screen is to darn small. you could do it...but it would not(IMO) be practical. I want my tablet not to make phone calls, yet gingerbread could run a tablet, very well I might add. Ice cream from google is the merging of tablet and phone android OSs to a single codebase. There is still much work needed on HC that will be done and the Gingerbread, froyo, Eclair have been around longer so the have a bigger user base.

antiochasylum said:
I have yet to find a way to change the density on the xoom, anyone try this yet?
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Check the market for an app called "LCD density changer"
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TouchWiz for Android 4/ICS = EPIC FAIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ISAI6qbQm6U
Obviously this is a beta version of the upcoming samsung official ICS release for S2, it looks like a total catastrophe with TouchWiz..it looks NOTHING like beautiful Nexus Interface.
If it will look anything remotly similiar on the GNOTE it would be catastrophic..

Yeah agree. If the final looks like this i'm gonna flash vanilla ICS.. Well, i'll probably flash that either way.
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yes this is total dissapointment, all people expect a total new UI, and what we get is something that looks identlical to the interface we have right now... it does not look like ICS at all... looks more like gingerbread... what are Samsung thinking drop the TouchWiz crap, TouchWiz has played out it's roll... it feels like windows 7 but with the xp GUI...
We should send a protest list or something to samsung cause this looks like a total nightmare...all people expect the brilliance of the Nexus GUI.. but this looks even worse then I could imagine.

Long live cm9!!
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I wouldn't mind vanilla ICS, but there'd better be a way to turn off the on-screen soft keys on phones that have hardware ones. Also, I can't stand having to reach all the way to the top of the phone for anything but notifications. The menu button at the bottom better continue to work the same.

The vanilla runs well on the fassy. Same stuff new version.
Ics 4.0.1 by jt1134

maxh said:
I wouldn't mind vanilla ICS, but there'd better be a way to turn off the on-screen soft keys on phones that have hardware ones. Also, I can't stand having to reach all the way to the top of the phone for anything but notifications. The menu button at the bottom better continue to work the same.
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If you use adw ex u can put notificationbar on gestures, so u can drag it down from anywhere on the screen
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I hate touchiz. I'm an aosp lover
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I think the phone will look odd with ICS anyway. You will have two rows of redundant keys, even though one may be not working.

randypurcz said:
I think the phone will look odd with ICS anyway. You will have two rows of redundant keys, even though one may be not working.
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lol.....You can disable software keys in ICS

LordManhattan said:
Yeah agree. If the final looks like this i'm gonna flash vanilla ICS.. Well, i'll probably flash that either way.
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To some one who have not used android before, can you explain to me what you mean with Vanilla ICS ????
You mean it will be possible to root with the standard ICS interface ?
Will the performance be as good as the official or will be lagging and buggs etc ?
Anyway, why it look so similar to todays gingerbread is maybe cause samsung are doing an half-hearted upgrade..
they have promised us ICS.. but they only seem to put small amount of energy to make a big update...
the interface looks identical etc.. Why I wanted ICS was cause it is basically a totally new OS...compared to gingerbread.

blackstar84 said:
To some one who have not used android before, can you explain to me what you mean with Vanilla ICS ????
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Stock Android. The way Google had intended it to look, feel, and perform.
This is unbelievably disappointing. I'm still glad I have my S2, because of the ASOP rom currently under development. I'll most definitely switch between phones whenever I want and just store any content that matters on an SD card, so my phone is virtually hot-swappable between devices.

DarkShot666 said:
Stock Android. The way Google had intended it to look, feel, and perform.
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Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?

blackstar84 said:
Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?
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It depends on developer support. If the devs for CM9 can port it to the Note, than only then can we expect a (hopefully) fully functional ICS rom on the Note.
As it stands, Google only releases official vanilla roms to their Nexus line of phones, and they release the source for other manufacturers/devs to port to other phones.
I hope that answers your question mate, the way it was worded was a bit difficult to fully understand.

blackstar84 said:
Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?
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Well official as in with 'nothing' on it, no carrier or vendor tweaks/applications added and in this case, things like Touchwiz.
Also ICS was launched with Galaxy Nexus not Galaxy Note, but regardless I would presume that Samsung or another developer on XDA or any other forum will create a port to the Galaxy Note.
Vanilla just means that it doesn't have the other unnecessary stuff loaded e.g. Touchwiz. Vanilla is always compiled directly from AOSP source.

Why is everyone so angry about samsung including touchwiz into the ICS rom (I assume that's what this discussion is about?). Isn't the best thing about android the incredible ease of installing another launcher? Shouldn't the stock launcher just be a .apk away?

PickleHead said:
Why is everyone so angry about samsung including touchwiz into the ICS rom (I assume that's what this discussion is about?). Isn't the best thing about android the incredible ease of installing another launcher? Shouldn't the stock launcher just be a .apk away?
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Well it's true what you said, but Samsung will skin almost everything.
The phone, browser, music player....all of them will be skinned with TW & I guess people in this thread (me include) prefer the stock ICS look and feel.

atm i looks not really nice, but! it is an internal beta, maybe even a alpha version, nobody knows if samsungs is just trying and looking if touchwiz is working under ics, i'm sure that they will make some more cosmetics for ics.

Dunno but no on saw the video? Didn't you something wrong or better few things that where not as expected on it? First the phone had a yellow triangle meaning Samsung had a problem flashing a non stock Rom on the phone. Second on the *#1234# if you not 100% eye sight old man here the csc is unknown.......... . Third the keys back and menu keys aren't functionally at all, only if they had the drivers for them to implant on csc so they could work. Fourth the browser not sure was on xda forums when he started? Or did I see wrong or now I know they where looking xda forum for a working csc file to make the buttons work.
And about touchwiz give me ics on note even with a touch I don't care, so someday the devs can make a custom Rom, on our needs. But they need to have something to play with and take some codes/ideas from the custom files.
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Wow.. that is disappointing... i thought i could just flash back the stock rom when ICS is out. Now looks like I'm going to stay rooted for good.

Hybrid ROM for our Note

There was a thread posted over in the Q&A section that I think was rather overlooked, and really deserves more attention. Since the Note is supposed to be the best of both worlds (tablet and phone) then it stands to reason that a hybrid ROM for the Note would make the most sense!
Even now that we have ICS on the Note, it's still (disappointingly) just a really big phone with an S-Pen. What would really push it over the edge, as far as the cool factor is concerned, is for someone with the skills and know-how to figure out a way to make a decent hybrid ROM for the Note.
We could merge UI elements of both the phone and tablet interfaces, and also have it such that some apps run in a phone interface, while others in a tablet mode etc. Also, having the tablet navigation buttons on the bottom would be nice for using the S-Pen (because it doesn't work on the capacitive buttons).
What are your thoughts everyone?

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There was a thread posted over in the Q&A section that I think was rather overlooked, and really deserves more attention. Since the Note is supposed to be the best of both worlds (tablet and phone) then it stands to reason that a hybrid ROM for the Note would make the most sense!
Even now that we have ICS on the Note, it's still (disappointingly) just a really big phone with an S-Pen. What would really push it over the edge, as far as the cool factor is concerned, is for someone with the skills and know-how to figure out a way to make a decent hybrid ROM for the Note.
We could merge UI elements of both the phone and tablet interfaces, and also have it such that some apps run in a phone interface, while others in a tablet mode etc. Also, having the tablet navigation buttons on the bottom would be nice for using the S-Pen (because it doesn't work on the capacitive buttons).
What are your thoughts everyone?
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There is somthing called AOSP/AOKP. You can go into tablet mode just by changing DPI. Navigation buttons are there

joyo22 said:
There is somthing called AOSP/AOKP. You can go into tablet mode just by changing DPI. Navigation buttons are there
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Thanks. I know this already... I'm not talking about AOS/KP.

I know I have mentioned this a number of times, and it still hasn't yet caught on. Why? Idk...
But, to clarify, I am not necessarily talking about an AOSP/AOKP build here (I actually kinda like some of the TouchWiz flare).
Hell, even if someone were to take some cues from the 7.7 and tweaked the Note's framework to include things like the min-app tray and little things like that, that would be awesome!

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
I know I have mentioned this a number of times, and it still hasn't yet caught on. Why? Idk...
But, to clarify, I am not necessarily talking about an AOSP/AOKP build here (I actually kinda like some of the TouchWiz flare).
Hell, even if someone were to take some cues from the 7.7 and tweaked the Note's framework to include things like the min-app tray and little things like that, that would be awesome!
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imilka already said he's working with PA team to port it over, so we just need some patience
About including some of the 7.7 features to Note I don't think there will ever be a developer that is willing to invest the huge amount of time and resources in incorporating AOSP/AOKP with 7.7 stock features and I have no idea if that's even possible :/

matius44 said:
imilka already said he's working with PA team to port it over, so we just need some patience
About including some of the 7.7 features to Note I don't think there will ever be a developer that is willing to invest the huge amount of time and resources in incorporating AOSP/AOKP with 7.7 stock features and I have no idea if that's even possible :/
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I guess this all boils down to the same question I'm sure a lot of us have been asking for a while: How long will it be before we have a fully functioning AOSP/AOKP build, where everything (and I mean everything!) works? (MHL, OTG, the button on the S-Pen, full hardware video acceleration, etc etc etc...)

What's 7.7 ?
Anyway, I would love a ROM that can "run" TW framework, so that everything works as on the official ROM, and that allows tablet mode. After trying tablet mode, I don't want to go back to smartphone interface, at the same time I would like sock FM Radio, stock camera, stock calendar, etc. I've seen the Galaxy Tab 7" 2 recently, it was ICS and I don't know what TW version it was but I'd love that on my note.

I like the idea.
Haven't tried tablet in a while....but isn't the font awfully hard to read? I (I'm old!)...And...
I use portrait most of the time....doesn't tablet force a reach to the top. of the device for most app functions?
I'd love to use tablet mode now but those made functionality tough for me.
Thanks

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imilka already said he's working with PA team to port it over, so we just need some patience
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thats going to cause a HUGE storm of drama if he does that, they dont want people using their code till they release it
check dagr8's i717 thread *it was cleaned more then our aosp thread was after all the drama
i already had PA running but kept it to myself cause they asked me to after i msged them asking if i could give it to n7000 users

JamieD81 said:
thats going to cause a HUGE storm of drama if he does that, they dont want people using their code till they release it
check dagr8's i717 thread *it was cleaned more then our aosp thread was after all the drama
i already had PA running but kept it to myself cause they asked me to after i msged them asking if i could give it to n7000 users
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No there were a thread here about it and moles said they don't mind it ported but just want a dev who can work with them, so imilka PMed him couple of days back and then said they are working on a port

matius44 said:
No there were a thread here about it and moles said they don't mind it ported but just want a dev who can work with them, so imilka PMed him couple of days back and then said they are working on a port
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guess i msged the wrong guy from PA a few days back then i got nothing but a huge NO from them
but i talked to imilka earlier we did infact msg 2 different members, he got the decent guy i got the @#&@!

[Q] TouchWiz Launcher for nexus 4?

Hi i was wondering if anyone has ported the launcher from the note 2 or s3 to our phone?

currently no, lack of interest also, because all samsungs features is in the touchwiz framework, just like htc sense

what are you missing from touchwiz?

Why would we need touchwiz it's beyond awful
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mediavieja said:
Hi i was wondering if anyone has ported the launcher from the note 2 or s3 to our phone?
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If you want it that bad, you can use Nova/apex launchers with the touchwiz theme.
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adil_ said:
If you want it that bad, you can use Nova/apex launchers with the touchwiz theme.
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I think that he's more interested on the multiwindow ...
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I think that he's more interested on the multiwindow ...
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Uh, it will take a lot more than a launcher to get multi-window. Maybe the CM team or some uberdev will build a multi-window setup that works. That is about the only thing I want on my N4.

estallings15 said:
Uh, it will take a lot more than a launcher to get multi-window. Maybe the CM team or some uberdev will build a multi-window setup that works. That is about the only thing I want on my N4.
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+1 for multi-window.
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Yeah well multiwindows for once and also the interface, i didnt know that feature from nova launcher to use a touchwiz theme. ill try it today

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2101204
Here you go.. No multi window unfortunately
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multiwindow
you can use floating browser from google play https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gpc.myweb.hinet.net.PopupWeb&feature=also_installed
and for video multiwindow https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gpc.myweb.hinet.net.PopupVideo&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiZ3BjLm15d2ViLmhpbmV0Lm5ldC5Qb3B1cFZpZGVvIl0.
hope this helped im planning to get a nexus 4 but idk maybe you can anwser me this id the onscreen button take up screen size from the 4.7 or not ?:good::good::good:

I'd LOVE the smartalarm from touchwiz
Everything else was kinda crap

okay why does it matter why he wants to have the touchwiz launcher? You guys are seriously going to question why he wants it like its any of your buisness, he likes touchwiz, its his choice of liking a different os. Its really stupid for you guys to question and put him down with negativity in comments instead of finding a link and if you dont like it? KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELVES. Thanks to those who provided the link.

Shadowfox993 said:
okay why does it matter why he wants to have the touchwiz launcher? You guys are seriously going to question why he wants it like its any of your buisness, he likes touchwiz, its his choice of liking a different os. Its really stupid for you guys to question and put him down with negativity in comments instead of finding a link and if you dont like it? KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELVES. Thanks to those who provided the link.
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I was just Googling some touchwiz launcher stuff for N4 and came to this thread.
Your comment is something that I have always wondered here at XDA. If you are in a particular device's forum, it means you are married to that phone and shall not praise/desire features and stuff which other phones have. It isn't like ditching your current device, XDA is all about development, so if someone seeks features from other phones, I think people should help (if you can) rather than criticizing. And when it comes to likings, everyone has his own preferences... who r we really to judge WHY he is liking this.. Why NOT he likes that.. etc etc. I know a lot of people do not like TW but many do. I ask the TW haters, if you don't like TW then what are you doing in this thread? Why replying? Why bother sneaking in? Just mind your own bloody damn business.

estallings15 said:
Uh, it will take a lot more than a launcher to get multi-window. Maybe the CM team or some uberdev will build a multi-window setup that works. That is about the only thing I want on my N4.
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If you start making your own distributions of Android behaving in such fundamentally different ways, I suspect we are going to need to start doing things to prevent you from impacting our app ecosystem. I'm not sure what, but I could imagine things such as restricting how users can interact with Market apps on these devices (not allowing reviews or such).
We have let a lot of things in this area slide -- for example to be allowed to include Market on your device you are supposed to fully pass CTS. However, if you start really diverging from the core Android platform (I would argue this takes you well into the realm of a fork rather than a customization) then some deep issues are going to come up about how we handle these custom builds.
We have been putting a lot of thought and work for a number of years into how to let Android applications run on increasingly diverse and dynamic screens. Doing this correctly, without impacting our app developers in a negative way, is a really challenging problem. I also think it is something that needs to be done at the mainline platform level, not as a customization, because doing it right is going to require new well defined interfaces with applications for them to interact with it, possibly starting with just a facility they need to use to opt in to it.
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googles (dianne hackborns) response when cyanogenmod was about to merge a multiwindow feature (cornerstone).
if its a smaller cm-fork or rom, cornerstone is open source waiting to be cherry-picked - although discontinued and buggy from what i hear.
can't imagine google is very happy about samsung doing it, but they might be too powerful a foe to upset.
another small observation, dianne herself introduced something like per app dpi to jellybean which seems related, still dormant. we might see it one day implemented as a real feature.