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Devs and roms...were are they?

This is a great phone IHO..its the best android phone in the market right now....but why is that it seems like no one either has,or devs are not to intrested in showing support for this phone...excluding KMOBS...come on devs weres the love id be willing to donate for cyan to get this phone...anyone else..because right now this forum is pretty sad compared to the G2.

kirkcody said:
This is a great phone IHO..its the best android phone in the market right now....but why is that it seems like no one either has,or devs are not to intrested in showing support for this phone...excluding KMOBS...come on devs weres the love id be willing to donate for cyan to get this phone...anyone else..because right now this forum is pretty sad compared to the G2.
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I used to have a g2 and I gave it up for the mytouch. I'm seriously considering getting my g2 back
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hawaiian.monzta said:
I used to have a g2 and I gave it up for the mytouch. I'm seriously considering getting my g2 back
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Me too.... =/
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The phone is only 12 days old guys. Have some patience.
I'm sure someone in the CM team will get their hands on a MT4G soon. If not, then I'm sure another capable dev will figure out how to port CM6 over to our phone.
Honestly, I'd be down to donate $5 to the CM team along with the OP. We'd just have to hope 88 other MT4G owners will do the same.

http://twitpic.com/35seph

CM6 for the MT4G is already built and bugs are being worked out. (Wifi, Camera, & BT)
Once those things are fixed we should be seeing a RC.

CM is working on a rom...the wiki page has a link for the glacier, there is just nothing on it yet...give him time...

You would be a fool to go back to the wobbly hinge G2 just because they have a ROM. This is a much superior device and they will come. Just be patient.

Some of you guys are being stupidly impatient. You can't expect a bunch of ROM's for a phone that achieved a permanent root just a few days ago.
Development is going fairly quickly anyway. Kmobs of CM already has a working build for the MT4G. That's pretty damn good and since in many ways the G2 is similar to the MT4G, things should go even faster.
Look at the G2 development forum, they've already got the G2 ROM ported to the MT4G. Another example would be VISIONary. It worked for the MT4G before it was even meant to.
Either way, MT4G users have no room to complain. The phone I came from, the Vibrant. It still doesn't have CM or a stock Android 2.2. Even the ROM's it has now took at least a month to perfect.
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kirkcody said:
This is a great phone IHO..its the best android phone in the market right now....but why is that it seems like no one either has,or devs are not to intrested in showing support for this phone...excluding KMOBS...come on devs weres the love id be willing to donate for cyan to get this phone...anyone else..because right now this forum is pretty sad compared to the G2.
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I hope I feel the same about my MyTouch when it gets here Wed (if UPS doesn't reschedule, like they always do). Right now, the Android that all other phones are compared to is the Evo (I have one). But in my town, which has 3 sprint towers... 2 of them have been down for 4 months and I finally gave up and switched to TMO. I hate giving up my Evo (rooted, custom ROm, custom Kernel)... there is so much support for it from software to accessories (I have the 3500 mah battery from Seidio). I'm going to miss all the goodies for the Evo while waiting for all the support to catch up to the MT4G (which it might and might not... we never know how much an individual phone will be supported). I am so surprised how the G2 got supported. Sliding keyboard phones don't usually get that much support because they are so flimsy. Let's hope this MT4G has as much appeal to the developers as it did to us! If I don't like it, I'll have the option of going to ATT sometime in Dec when they finish switching over from Alltel.

lonlawrence said:
I am so surprised how the G2 got supported. Sliding keyboard phones don't usually get that much support because they are so flimsy.
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, it's Cyanogen's new phone, therefore it gets massive CM lovin'. kmobs has the Glacier though, it won't be left out in the cold.
Oh shi-accidental pun.

Wow, these phones didn't come out the same day ppl.

+1 on people being impatient. These guys are working their butts off essentially for free since most people are too cheap to donate. Root ur device, play around, install launcher pro an quit ur *****in'. ROMs will come in due time.
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daewond3r said:
The phone is only 12 days old guys. Have some patience.
I'm sure someone in the CM team will get their hands on a MT4G soon. If not, then I'm sure another capable dev will figure out how to port CM6 over to our phone.
Honestly, I'd be down to donate $5 to the CM team along with the OP. We'd just have to hope 88 other MT4G owners will do the same.
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This is key, We need to show the developers some love here $$$$, Devs will work on devices that produce the highest returns=$$$$, There are so many EVO owners that producing a quality rom will have excellent returns=$$$$, The upside is with the hardware of our devices CM has the potential of creating thier greatest Rom to date. Lets be patient and get a bug free release, Instead of a premature release full with bugs.

30Glock said:
This is key, We need to show the developers some love here $$$$, Devs will work on devices that produce the highest returns=$$$$, There are so many EVO owners that producing a quality rom will have excellent returns=$$$$, The upside is with the hardware of our devices CM has the potential of creating thier greatest Rom to date. Lets be patient and get a bug free release, Instead of a premature release full with bugs.
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I agree.
I will donate $20 for the first ROM that takes full advantage of the MT4G capabilities.

foxdl99 said:
+1 on people being impatient. These guys are working their butts off essentially for free since most people are too cheap to donate. Root ur device, play around, install launcher pro an quit ur *****in'. ROMs will come in due time.
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Word!
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I WASNT *****IN I THINK ALOT OF PEOPLE MISINTERPRETED THE REASON FOR THIS POST..IM NOT BASHING MT4G, JUST TRYING TO GET IT IN THE LIMELIGHT...WHY ARE MOST NOT ALL PEOPLE ON XDA SO OFFENSIVE...MT4G FTW!!!!!!...LOL

i just got my mytouch 4g in the mail, havent turned it on yet because the hardware is still mighty cold, but who do i sue for the fact it isnt rooted with cm6 yet?!?!?!

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http://twitpic.com/35seph
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Is this real?
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Of course. Kmobs been testing it. He says bluetooth and a few other things have to be worked out

It seems like people are losing interest in the Inc...

I remember the days where people would port over awesome roms to the incredible, but not anymore...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036706 - would be nice to have that...

We will get more newer gb sense roms when a working kernel is ready. It slowed when tbolt came out, but the inc 2 will not slow us, neither a just that much of an upgrade imo. When our kernel is ready, you will see many varieties of ports for the dinc.
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I saw a guy using a Thunderbolt... it rebooted on him twice in 10 minutes... second time to the startup screen

donnyp1 said:
We will get more newer gb sense roms when a working kernel is ready. It slowed when tbolt came out, but the inc 2 will not slow us, neither a just that much of an upgrade imo. When our kernel is ready, you will see many varieties of ports for the dinc.
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I hope you're right because I feel like the phone will be relevant, hardware wise, for a little while still...

/shrug. I have been using Cyanogenmod 7 Nightlies. Its Gingerbread. I'm at work so i cant see those images for that linked ROM... but what it says it has doesnt sound that great... also it makes 4g not work on your evo if you use it... so ... why even have an evo and be with sprint if you use that ROM.

Dumaru said:
/shrug. I have been using Cyanogenmod 7 Nightlies. Its Gingerbread. I'm at work so i cant see those images for that linked ROM... but what it says it has doesnt sound that great... also it makes 4g not work on your evo if you use it... so ... why even have an evo and be with sprint if you use that ROM.
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Dude, your in the wrong forum. This is the droid incredible, not the evo.
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donnyp1 said:
Dude, your in the wrong forum. This is the droid incredible, not the evo.
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That rom that the op linked to is an evo rom, so him talking about an evo is perfectly reasonable.

N-Forced said:
That rom that the op linked to is an evo rom, so him talking about an evo is perfectly reasonable.
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True, but title to this thread is completely in reference to the dinc, which doesnt support 4g in the first place
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localceleb said:
I remember the days where people would port over awesome roms to the incredible, but not anymore...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036706 - would be nice to have that...
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we'll get more ports when we get a gingersense leak. That rom is so outdated haha virus new port based on the htc kingdom sounds like its going to be a huge success for the evo.

A bit of perspective
Although I can feel where you are coming from on the fading of interest I wanted to chime in here to relay my recent experience with the incredible and its devs. My wife and I both had eris phones and were both rooted and running custom roms. The phone unrooted is almost unbearably slow and painful. Rooted is much better but still the phone itself is just so antiquated. I pushed Verizon to up my upgrade date and recently got the Thunderbolt. My wife finally got fed up with the eris and her upgrade date was too far out to push up so I got her a used incredible locally for about $170. Now comes the part that blew me away. The guy I got it from had it stock and never rooted. I did the research and was, as i said blown away with the sheer simplicity of the rooting and clockwork recovery rom experience. Thats all aside from the beauty, speed, screen brightness, perfect size, and overall satisfaction of the phone. I truly almost prefer it over my thunderbolt. The rom factory may be slowing down but this phone is an amazing device overall and the devs that have put time into it are to be commended in the highest. I can only hope that cyanogen and the others make my thunderbolt as amazing of an experience.

cant wait for gingersense. running CM7 2.3.4 but miss sense.

localceleb said:
I remember the days where people would port over awesome roms to the incredible, but not anymore... QUOTE]
I disagree. Several awesome ROMS are out there and it seems like we get another new ROM every week or so. Admittedly, some are more awesome than others, but development is defintely still on-going. That's the beauty of this device - it was so far ahead of it's time.
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I don't understand how the HTC HD2 is getting gingersense ports and sensation sense 3.0 ports, the phone is a Windows mobile phone so I doubt any gingerbread kernels are released for that... I don't get how they have these ports but we can't?
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tjrocks91 said:
I don't understand how the HTC HD2 is getting gingersense ports and sensation sense 3.0 ports, the phone is a Windows mobile phone so I doubt any gingerbread kernels are released for that... I don't get how they have these ports but we can't?
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Windows is a non issue.. once you flash an android rom (w/ Linux kernel) the windows phone os doesnt matter as its just hardware at that point. Android rom uses the Linux kernel to communicate w/ hw.
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I have noticed things are slowing down too. I got a Thunderbold day 1, which I love, no looking back for me, but my wife still has a Dinc, and I am always looking to update, it is currently running Myns Warm Z, not much else right now.

I am not sure it is slowing down so much as people are finding that what they have the love. I personally still flash a few roms every now and then but I always tend to go back to one... because It has the most of what I love. I think that always happens. I use to see this when I was running windows mobile htc 8125, people said that everything was slowing down but I think it is more the fact that you have know tried most of the ROMs. When I first got this phone I went through and flashed as many roms as I could. a few of them I am not going to try again until they get a few more levels up since I was not satisfied but there were a few that I really liked and I have flashed them when they come out with a new one. BUT I do always go back to my main rom.
So after all that I dont know if it is slowing down since I see new roms out every once in a while. I think that I just dont have the interest to flash them as often since I can say, I have already tried that. I will wait 3 more version before flashing that again...
You may have noticed that I didnt use one rom name since I do not want to discourage any ROM developer. They all do an "Incredible" job here no pun intended. Keep up the GREAT work and happy flashing.
SoBBie

I hear what you're saying, but there is still a lot of great work going on. The release of skyraider 4.0 was huge, and there are still a ton of roms being actively supported. Between CM7, MIUI, LiquidMetal, the z roms, and the stock sense roms, you can get just about any look you want.

It seems though, that most new ROM work, including ports, are the same old bases reworked with a twist. CM7 is nice, but doesn't have Sense.. The desireZ ports are nice, but still 2.2.. as with Skyraider.
I'm sure not knocking any devs work.. I use them and donate, just wish we had some new work coming our way... especially GingerSense!

I still see lots of development for the Inc. I am definitely really glad I got rid of my Fascinate for it two months ago.
Just my $.02

LOL, I'll have my ROM up and running soon... coming out of alpha soon...

Is it me or is Epic development almst dead?

Is it just me or is Epic development almost dead?
Two-three months ago there was CM6,MIUI,CM7 and more original roms in the works,what happened?
Yeah i know that for CM7 they are waiting for official GB to drop but what about CM6 that was 90 percent finished and MIUI that was almost finished?
I know that we still got roms but most of them with exception of ACS and few others are mostly remixes and tweaks of stock rom.
Our Epic is way behind Vibrant,Fascinate and Captivate.

It's just you. Don't knock what the amazing developers have done for us. We have plenty of roms and we will have plenty once gingerbread drops.

I agree. Feel free to learn how to dev, though. You won't sound like a detractor from the forum.

lviv73 said:
Is it just me or is Epic development almost dead?
Two-three months ago there was CM6,MIUI,CM7 and more original roms in the works,what happened?
Yeah i know that for CM7 they are waiting for official GB to drop but what about CM6 that was 90 percent finished and MIUI that was almost finished?
I know that we still got roms but most of them with exception of ACS and few others are mostly remixes and tweaks of stock rom.
Our Epic is way behind Vibrant,Fascinate and Captivate.
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dont worry op. i feel for ya.
no disrespect, but what phones did you guys come from. i went through the mogul, the touch, touch pro and then tp2. i mean we had a **** ton of development. not all of it was quality, but i mean, real talk. epic dev just never got off the ground. im totally not ungrateful, and im still learning android and linux, and im going to kick a little ass one of these days. it just wont be with this phone.
like i said. im not a **** talker. look me up at ppcgeeks. ive got 3000 posts (6 thou if you count off topic) and a rep that doubles that.

I know the feeling I see so much stuff from may it makes it hard not to switch phones only thing keeping me around is hope at this point
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inimitableac said:
I know the feeling I see so much stuff from may it makes it hard not to switch phones only thing keeping me around is hope at this point
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the only thing keeping me around is sprint not dropping an evoesque phone with a keyboard. all my favorite devs went to the desire z and the evo.

austin420 said:
the only thing keeping me around is sprint not dropping an evoesque phone with a keyboard. all my favorite devs went to the desire z and the evo.
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Yep... that and unlimited data... wish htc made a qwerty slider for android.. ill never give up my full kb.
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austin420 said:
dont worry op. i feel for ya.
no disrespect, but what phones did you guys come from. i went through the mogul, the touch, touch pro and then tp2. i mean we had a **** ton of development. not all of it was quality, but i mean, real talk. epic dev just never got off the ground. im totally not ungrateful, and im still learning android and linux, and im going to kick a little ass one of these days. it just wont be with this phone.
like i said. im not a **** talker. look me up at ppcgeeks. ive got 3000 posts (6 thou if you count off topic) and a rep that doubles that.
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Damn, I just hit 1,000 posts over there. Big part of it seeming smaller is that the only carrier with the Epic is sprint. Android roms aren't like winmo roms where all you had to do was provision a rom to a particular carrier.

lazydazed said:
Yep... that and unlimited data... wish htc made a qwerty slider for android.. ill never give up my full kb.
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they do... its called the evo shift...

steviee7 said:
they do... its called the evo shift...
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i know im picky, but i like 5 rows (dedicated number row)
i just dont want to leave sprint either. its not just the unlimited data, low prices and yearly upgrade. i just like them. i live in kc mo. right across the state line from sprint worl headquarters. we have a 18000 person arena in downtown called the sprint center. sprint logos are every where. we have the sprint cu at the kansas speedway. i mean it is my home town carrier.

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Big part of it seeming smaller is that the only carrier with the Epic is sprint. Android roms aren't like winmo roms where all you had to do was provision a rom to a particular carrier.
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good point
i got more thanks tomorrow.

This is my first experience with custom ROMs and I for one am very content with the amount of development for the Epic. I have looked at other forums and yes there may be a larger following, or more talk about development, but a lot of it seems to be garbage. I have flashed and used a few different ROMs now and they are all solid with few if any bugs. SRF is what I am running now and I have not found a single functionality issue. I also love that the Epic devs continue to improve their product instead of releasing some piece of crap ROM and never touching it again. Also the relatively smaller quantity of development makes things like qbking's videos possible and help all of us learn to better utilize the phones potential.
I say cheers to the devs for what they do and the time they put in! I could never accomplish even a portion of what they do. Thanks guys!
Please excuse any erors or typos as this massage was sent from my mobil device.

Xiutehcuhtli said:
This is my first experience with custom ROMs and I for one am very content with the amount of development for the Epic. I have looked at other forums and yes there may be a larger following, or more talk about development, but a lot of it seems to be garbage. I have flashed and used a few different ROMs now and they are all solid with few if any bugs. SRF is what I am running now and I have not found a single functionality issue. I also love that the Epic devs continue to improve their product instead of releasing some piece of crap ROM and never touching it again. Also the relatively smaller quantity of development makes things like qbking's videos possible and help all of us learn to better utilize the phones potential.
I say cheers to the devs for what they do and the time they put in! I could never accomplish even a portion of what they do. Thanks guys!
Please excuse any erors or typos as this massage was sent from my mobil device.
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This.
Quality over quantity anyday our devs cook up some amazing stuff for us.
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I love this phone. That is all.
Sent from Godot's place.

we have several quality ROMs and Themes to choose from

It should come as no surprise really. There are 3 main reasons why it may seem development is slow:
Small community. Meaning that our sample set in which developers are drawn is smaller. Thankfully, this phone was top notch in hardware when it came out, so it increased our chances of having very talented developers since it naturally drew people who seriously appreciated hardware. Hence, why we have a small number of developers but they're all very very good at what they do. It could have ended up with a small number AND not a lot of quality.
Touchwiz. What I mean by this is that we're still waiting on a fully functional AOSP based rom, with CM7 being the closest to completion. Without it, all there is to develop on is touchwiz, and we've pretty much exhausted what we can do with it (so far). Once there's one ROM on AOSP, that allows for more ROMs to be developed on AOSP. Plus, the completion of CM7 could very well attract developers who prefer to develop on AOSP to try a couple projects, and have simply been waiting for CM to be completed. This all ties in with reason number 3.
Froyo. Like touchwiz, we've pretty much done all we can do with it. With the release of gingerbread, it'll open up a whole new opportunity to develop. Remember, we went through the same thing towards the end of eclair's life. Not a whole lot of development, and everyone really just waiting for froyo. The difference was, however, that everyone was itching SO BAD for froyo that a lot of projects were done on DK28; we were truly behind the times then, and so even the developers were willing to play with a leak. Not so much now; we're not AS behind the curve considering there are still few phones (besides newly released ones) on gingerbread. This, too, is much like the anticipation of an AOSP precedent as mentioned previously: it's quite possible that there are potential developers who are simply waiting for gingerbread to be released before coming to this phone.
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can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?

austin420 said:
can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?
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I don't know, but the easiest explanations are:
More developers? Better chance to figure out the kernel drivers on their own.
It's made by HTC? It's pretty much a known that samsungs kernel drivers are always wacky, and in general, what one phone has doesn't neccessarily help with another. With HTC, their kernel drivers are a little more consistent across phones and it's easier to make things work by borrowing and tweaking.
Linux loaded modules? Don't know if it's relevant, but it's possible to use these to overclock a phone in a round-about way.
There's something that really needs to be laid to rest here regarding the arguement that everybody gives saying "we didn't get cm6 when froyo source was released, so how are we gonna get cm7 just because of gingerbread source?" Two reasons:
One: we only had one dev working on it, noobnl. Now we have a TEAM. And each on is just as if not more talented than him.
Two: we didn't have another device to kang any AOSP driver source from. With cm7, our team borrowed what they could from the nexus s 4g. And rest assured, they DID get a little use out of it.
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can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?
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It's the same phone as every other HTC phone, once they get something working on one all the others get it pretty quickly.

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It's the same phone as every other HTC phone, once they get something working on one all the others get it pretty quickly.
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then by the same logic, since the i9000 has gb, we should too? the only difference in the mytouch4g and most other htc phones is a keyboard and 4g. sound familiar?

Buying an EVO--Seeking Advice

Hey,
I have a samsung epic right now, and I'm interested in buying this evo someone offered to me. I would only be interested, however, if this phone was able to be rooted. How can I check if it is possible or not?
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Art2Fly said:
Hey,
I have a samsung epic right now, and I'm interested in buying this evo someone offered to me. I would only be interested, however, if this phone was able to be rooted. How can I check if it is possible or not?
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If its running android 2.3.3 and when you load into the bootloader it says "s-on" next to the radio version then its not rootable yet.

Thanks man, really appreciate it.
Also, if it wasnt able to be rooted, I read on the news that HTC was going to release a universal unlocker for the newer phones, will they also release one for the EVO?

Art2Fly said:
Thanks man, really appreciate it.
Also, if it wasnt able to be rooted, I read on the news that HTC was going to release a universal unlocker for the newer phones, will they also release one for the EVO?
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The general consensus is that they will not be unlocking older phones so as to encourage consumers to buy the newer ones.
EDIT: There is always of course the possibility that an independent developer will find an exploit and give us the ability to gain root access to our phones. Some devs are known to be working on this now. There's no guarantee of course, but there is hope for those of us who were feeling hopeless.

OK, so the phone has android 2.2, so I automatically assume it can be rooted. Now, can someone recommend me a good rom? I know about cm7 and miui, but what do the devs here have to offer?

Art2Fly said:
OK, so the phone has android 2.2, so I automatically assume it can be rooted. Now, can someone recommend me a good rom? I know about cm7 and miui, but what do the devs here have to offer?
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My wife is using Mikg, and her evo runs awesome. Can't wait to root mine...
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Art2Fly said:
OK, so the phone has android 2.2, so I automatically assume it can be rooted. Now, can someone recommend me a good rom? I know about cm7 and miui, but what do the devs here have to offer?
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I really liked Deck's ROM; lightweight, few issues; great battery life when combined with Tiamat 3.3.7. It's basically CM7 with a lot of the extra clutter (language packs, etc) removed. It looks and acts almost exactly like Android on the Nexus S.
That was my daily driver. I also really liked playing with Synergy; it's feature-packed and has a lot of bells and whistles, and is a fun toy. I didn't like it for daily use, though. I am really into the KISS philosophy when it comes to my smartphone.

And what about kernels? Is there a good choice of kernels to sift through, or for the most part do the roms already come with the best kernel for the job..?

Art2Fly said:
And what about kernels? Is there a good choice of kernels to sift through, or for the most part do the roms already come with the best kernel for the job..?
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Do alot of reading in the development thread. There is plenty to learn about.
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Alright, I'm doing some thinking on whether to do this or not.. .Should I trade my epic 4g for an evo or not?

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Art2Fly said:
Alright, I'm doing some thinking on whether to do this or not.. .Should I trade my epic 4g for an evo or not?
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Well that's a question that is dependent on a few things:
Do you prefer physical or virtual keyboards?
Is the loss of a nicer screen worth a bigger screen?
The Epic could be a great phone if it had the developer support that the Evo had/has.
They don't even have an AOSP ROM.

YES, trade, then load synergy rls1, then freedom kernel, for root use unrevoked,
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Yeah, I could get by without a keyboard, but i'm just iffy

Art2Fly said:
Yeah, I could get by without a keyboard, but i'm just iffy
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My personal opinion is that developer support is what makes the phone.
The Epic has a better core for performance and for battery.
If I recall correctly the GPU is better too.
The screen is nicer.
The keyboard sucks [because I hate physical keyboards]
But the developer support, comparative to the Evo, is nil.
Now, there have been signs of an increase in support but with the SGS2 coming it's hard to say how much will come to the Epic itself.

I actually just came from an epic to the evo since mine was stolen (which really sucked I loved that phone) but with the evo I've never looked back. I really liked the physical keyboard since I'm not a fan of soft keyboards but swype and mods alongside a much larger screen make up for it. Speaking of the screen, its no super amoled but its definitely one of the nicest I've used and and the phone overall is just beautiful. Battery is about the same for both in my experience. But like others have said the evo has MUCH better developer support. I remember I was using frozen syndicate Rom 1.2 before my epic was stolen ( back in end of may/ beginning of June) and they still didn't update I believe. Plus Samsung still hasn't released gingerbread for it and its being discontinued October I think. So all in all you should trade for the evo, definitely much better software support especially for a phone reaching its EOL, not to mention hardware (i.e. cases) Plus sense is just great
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Ive had both phones, I had the epic then i traded it for my evo<3 which i love so much. I dont regret trading it at all. Personally, i like the evo more it is greater over all

Bell Atrix Update to ICS Looks Bleak

http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/03/29/o...tting-upgraded-to-os-4-0-including-timelines/
Unless this is an incomplete list, it looks very bleak for the Atrix to receive ICS for Bell users. Just thought I would throw this out there (I know it has been discussed, but this literally just was posted on Mobile Syrup).
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no worries.. this is XDA.
AT&T is releasing ICS for the Atrix (So they say)
You'll have a fully working virtually bug free ICS Rom Soon.

Doesn't really help those of us(namely me), who don't feel confident enough to install a custom rom, without bricking their phone

x51 said:
no worries.. this is XDA.
AT&T is releasing ICS for the Atrix (So they say)
You'll have a fully working virtually bug free ICS Rom Soon.
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Haha. I am currently using Turl's CM9 ROMs...I gave up on official ROMs from Bell. I was just posting this for those who would rather avoid the modding stuff.

sorry.. Just assumed all XDA members were flash happy like me.

Currently using turls1 cm9 rom and smooth as hell. By the time the official ics comes out for the ATRIX this rom will be smoother, faster and have many more customizations. Including better battery life.
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Cryingmoose said:
Doesn't really help those of us(namely me), who don't feel confident enough to install a custom rom, without bricking their phone
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i bought a bell atrix from a nice canadian guy...
im using jokersax11 CM9 ics build and its awesome so far, i recommend jokers or turls build

ofteno said:
i bought a bell atrix from a nice canadian guy...
im using jokersax11 CM9 ics build and its awesome so far, i recommend jokers or turls build
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Rub it in, why don't ya? =P~~~

Cryingmoose said:
Rub it in, why don't ya? =P~~~
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He isn't rubbing anything in. When I bought my Atrix, I vowed not to do any modding to it in the slightest. Then AT&T pushed updates to their Atrix, yet Bell decided to wait for months on end before pushing the same updates. It became rather annoying having to wait for the updates. Plus, add in the fact that fully-functioning Gingerbread was out months before it would be released on Bell officially, I decided to give modding a shot, and I haven't looked back. Unlocking your phone and flashing custom ROMs just increases the life of your phone, in that you know developers of ROMs (who are not paid by a company to do what they do) will push out stock and custom versions of new Android operating systems, while carriers like Bell will EOL this phone and others and you may not even see ICS come out.
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TheMan0790 said:
He isn't rubbing anything in. When I bought my Atrix, I vowed not to do any modding to it in the slightest. Then AT&T pushed updates to their Atrix, yet Bell decided to wait for months on end before pushing the same updates. It became rather annoying having to wait for the updates. Plus, add in the fact that fully-functioning Gingerbread was out months before it would be released on Bell officially, I decided to give modding a shot, and I haven't looked back. Unlocking your phone and flashing custom ROMs just increases the life of your phone, in that you know developers of ROMs (who are not paid by a company to do what they do) will push out stock and custom versions of new Android operating systems, while carriers like Bell will EOL this phone and others and you may not even see ICS come out.
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I was jokingly referring to him rubbing it in that I wasn't personally comfortable installing a ROM, not rubbing it in that Bell turned it's back on us.

Cryingmoose said:
I was jokingly referring to him rubbing it in that I wasn't personally comfortable installing a ROM, not rubbing it in that Bell turned it's back on us.
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Woops. Apologies for the long rant then.
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no offense taken lol
really as pretty much everyone on these boards would tell you, rooting and unlocking bootloader is the way to go, at first it was scary... if i brick the phone? but i just read and read and read and ask for everything and in the end i got it, since then i havent looked back,
motorola is waiting for hell to freeze itself so we get ICS and also bell will then take another eternity to release it if they ever do, a bunch of devs are working hard to get ICS working in the meantime,
if not then you should try the neutrino ROM its awesome, really fast and smooth
my 2 cents

Cryingmoose said:
I was jokingly referring to him rubbing it in that I wasn't personally comfortable installing a ROM, not rubbing it in that Bell turned it's back on us.
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yeah but really if you follow the "noob" guide you should be able unlock the bootloader and get it going. if you follow it and double check your steps it shouldn't be too hard.
the atrix is old now, we've (as a community) gotten it to the point where most operations are one click or little user input. and once you root/unlock/mod the thing there are so many amazing ways to keep you falling back in love with the device. I was so ready to dump it and just use my skyrocket, but I ended up getting rid of the skyrocket and getting the lapdock and using the atrix full time.
I'm going to get the Galaxy Note, but the atrix won't be too far away because it can just do so much

I just installed CM9 on my atrix. It runs super smooth and fast. I love it. My phone finally feels smart

I have a Bell Atrix and still on Froyo. Honestly I really don't care anymore if it gets ICS or not. Battery life is extremely critical to me and I don't want GB's battery life from what I've been reading. ICS would have to have Froyo battery life for me to get exited and an available root option as well...
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ccrows said:
I have a Bell Atrix and still on Froyo. Honestly I really don't care anymore if it gets ICS or not. Battery life is extremely critical to me and I don't want GB's battery life from what I've been reading. ICS would have to have Froyo battery life for me to get exited and an available root option as well...
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I have a Bell Atrix on GB. In airplane mode, the battery lasts 6 days. With the sim enabled, it lasts 2 days with light use.

With the tools some great members have provided, you have almost no risk of bricking.
Just read and read.
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You can put pretty much any original Atrix-rom on the Bell. I have a Bell Atrix and have had both the Orange ROM for france, Telstra rom for Australia and now the original Motorola ROM for Nordic countries (45.31.1.MB860.NonEFIGSRetail.en.EU) which is great, no bloatware and my native language. I've never rooted or unlocked bootloader or anything, just a SIM-unlock. So I'm sure u'll be able to get ICS on it when it is released!

ccrows said:
I have a Bell Atrix and still on Froyo. Honestly I really don't care anymore if it gets ICS or not. Battery life is extremely critical to me and I don't want GB's battery life from what I've been reading. ICS would have to have Froyo battery life for me to get exited and an available root option as well...
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Try 2x Battery Saver. It's just a automatic 3g toggle. I found a huge improvement from that alone
Sinful Animosity said:
With the tools some great members have provided, you have almost no risk of bricking.
Just read and read.
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lol, why is everyone picking on me? The only person I know that tried to install a custom ROM ended up hard bricking his galaxy s2 within 3 days of ownership (luckily he was able to feign ignorance and get a straight exchange).
I've read the guides and kept up to date on ROM development, but I've also seen the "Help! my phone is hard bricked" threads also, so I'm pretty hesitant.
I suppose when my warrenty is up and there is a non-beta ICS ROM I'll try my luck....

tried at&t rom on bell set
it was working fine in all aspect with fingerprint sensor but there is no keyboard