Compass and Sensors - Hardware or Software problems? - Streak 5 General

A while back, just before the 2.2 OTA update came out for ATT locked streaks I received a replacement streak from dell. I didn't have it long enough before I applied the update to remember if the compass or sensors were working, but I seem to remember the screen would auto rotate just fine.
After the update the screen would not auto rotate at all. I spent a while looking into fixing it, trying things like srchild.com's calibrate-sensor-on-upside-down-dell-streak-after-froyo-22-android-upgrade
But I have a slightly different version of the menu's than that tutorial shows and nothing I did fixed the auto rotate so I eventually just learned to live with it in landscape mode for a while.
Now I realize that no compass or sensor based apps work. I've installed sensor monitor apps and they show no data. The "Calibration" application that shows bubble levels doesn't move at all. I'm starting to think it is a hardware problem but like I said, I am almost sure that screen rotation worked before the upgrade on this device.
Is there a way to verify for sure before calling dell. Their support was a nightmare to deal with the first time.
TIA

Why go through the trouble? Why not root your Streak and flash a custom ROM. They perform much better.
If you don't like them then you could always use the QDL tool to get back to stock but everyone here knows the OTA updates wreak havoc for almost all Android devices

cdzo72 said:
Why go through the trouble? Why not root your Streak and flash a custom ROM. They perform much better.
If you don't like them then you could always use the QDL tool to get back to stock but everyone here knows the OTA updates wreak havoc for almost all Android devices
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A new ROM, stock or custom, won't fix the problem if there is a hardware issue. Installing a different ROM might help troubleshoot the problem. I would suggest a stock ROM so that if the problem persists there is no questions concerning the warranty. 353 is the latest AT&T ROM and can be downloaded here.
You don't have to root and then install StreakDroid, you can install SD without rooting first.
The updates I have gotten for the Streak have been excellent. I run Stock 351. My streak was purchased unlocked from Dell. In addition the OTA update I got for my Moto Backflip was a huge improvement and the update on my wife's Inspire that enabled the setting to install non-market apps works fine. I would have to say that not everyone here agrees with your assessment of the OTA updates.
To the opening poster I would suggest a reset or reinstall of 353 and then test with no apps installed.

I should've specified the OTAs from DELL are notorious for causing issues.
And you are correct, not everyone here would agree with them, but if you like to tweak and play, then a stock ROM doesn't offer much flexibility, not to mention performance wise.
When I first got my Streak I bricked it, then I revived it with the QDL tool and then went to StreakDroid. Then I even went back to stock to have a baseline to compare with the StreakDroid beta I'm currently using, and I have to say, stock is just that, stock, it's two worlds, performance and battery on stock just don't compare to any of the custom ROMs.
I know this isn't the place for this discussion but I couldn't help but make my point. If you like the stock ROM, I'm happy for you, but I for one have never been much to settle for less, I'm always looking for the latest thing.

Having not looked into updating android a great deal I'd appreciate any corrections if I'm mistaken on this, but I do believe the over the air update that was installed is the 353 version.
My Streak currently reads:
Baseband version: GAUSB1A135331-US
Build number 15697
marvin02 if you still think downloading and installing the the 353 ROM you linked to would help diagnose the issue I'd be more than happy to, please let me know.
cdzo72 I do plan on installing custom rom's and even getting into Android development in the near future but I do not have time for it yet. I would like to make sure I do not have a hardware problem before installing any custom rom's because it will be easier (less time consuming for me) to make a warranty claim if I need to. Unfortunately right now functional and limited is better than cutting edge and time consuming for me when it comes to my Streak.

data_loss said:
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My Streak currently reads:
Baseband version: GAUSB1A135331-US
Build number 15697
marvin02 if you still think downloading and installing the the 353 ROM you linked to would help diagnose the issue I'd be more than happy to, please let me know.
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A fresh install would eliminate (mostly) the possibility that your problem is caused by software, not hardware. If you still have the stock recovery on your phone you can just download the .pkg file, put it on your SD Card, rename it to update.pkg and boot into recovery to install.

I do still have the stock recovery.
I downloaded and installed the 353 ROM. It appears that the sensors are not working (no auto screen rotation). I also tried a factory reset after the update just for giggles, no change.
If I'm not mistaken the Streak_104_4399_21.pkg that can be downloaded from the streakdroid site is the official att&t 1.6 ROM. Would it be worth downloading and downgrading to that to test?
Or at this point do I just endure the call to dell support?

Is there any kind of documentation available for the fastboot menu on the streak? There seems to be options available for sensor stuff in there but I don't want to be just clicking through them without knowing what they do.

One hour on the phone ( which was not much fun ) and a couple days later and I have a replacement. It is a refurb, but in good condition and it works. Thanks all for the help.
Sent from my Dell Streak using XDA App

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[Q] FRG83D update on a rooted N1

Hi all, I'm quite new to this forum and I hope I dont break any netiquette with my question.
Now I have a N1 I bought on ebay, used, rooted and perfectly functioning.
I don't remember how, but I was able to update it to FRG83D downloading the rom, renaming it, copying on my sdcard etc ...
Now ...
I can't update to FRG83D.
I understood that having a rooted N1 NO OTA UPDATE shall ever work for me, not the manual update is available.
I was able to skip the "no signature verification" error suing clockwork mod, but i can't install the patch anyway, the system alway replies "assert failed: apply_patch_ckeck (" stystem app accountandsyncsetting . apk" ... then a serie of letters and number follows.
I know nothing about this, I must confess, but my suspect is that the update fails because something doesn't match between the update and the ROM which is working on my N1 (which is by the way the original one build frg83d
baseband version
32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.12_7
kernel
2.6.32.9-27240-gbca5320 android-build apa26 #1
Any sugestion ?
I mean and idea about where I can download a FRG83D version suitable for my phone ?
If you just want stock with very little tweaks, may i suggest Geo's Rom. It's basically the latest stock rom w/ superuser, busybox, trackball alert etc. Runs amazing too =)
As for breaking any netiquette, you're suppose to post this in the questions forum not the general. Have fun with your phone.
worked!
Thanks Mokurex!
It worked.
It's unbelievable.
I spent three nights in search of an answer, and then you solved it in few seconds.
I'm new to Android, and I must confess that I'm quite disoriented.
There hare hundred of versions, produced by individuals, companies, etc ... The one I used, I mean the one you suggested me, seems to be the fruit of an individual's work in the US.
It's ok to me, sounds and works good.
But It's not the original one, I mean the one released by ... Google ? or ... what ?
It doesn't matter, but I just want to say that it would be easier for us all, newbies, to have some clear guidelines on this, an online guide for dummies, something or somebody who would explain us the difference between a odexed or deodexed versions, what are the pro and cons of rooting a N1, the fact that rooted phones loose the OTA update (which is very VERY painful for us newbies, etc ...).
I understand that we can rely of forums and on kind people like you, but having some clear cut guidelines would be very useful.
... and looking at the future ... I guess I'll have the same problems when I'll have to update to Gingerbread.
I's very frustrating to search the web for a suitable ROM for your phone ...
stefanopelloni said:
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But It's not the original one, I mean the one released by ... Google ? or ... what ?
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No, it's not the original. That one is deodexed, so any future OTA updates will not work (as Google's stock ROMs and updates and not de-odexed). You will have to wait until someone repacks the update, then apply it.
stefanopelloni said:
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It doesn't matter, but I just want to say that it would be easier for us all, newbies, to have some clear guidelines on this, an online guide for dummies, something or somebody who would explain us the difference between a odexed or deodexed versions, what are the pro and cons of rooting a N1,
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Did you read the wiki? There are lots of posts/threads/guides available.
stefanopelloni said:
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the fact that rooted phones loose the OTA update (which is very VERY painful for us newbies, etc ...).
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What are you trying to say? Phones running a rooted, but otherwise stock ROM will certainly received the OTA updates. Now if you use a non-stock ROM, you may or may not receive the OTA update. But whether you receive it or not, you will not be able to apply it as is, until someone repacks it (unless you are using the stock ROM, rooted or not).
I believe you have to use the stock recovery as well if you wanted to update via OTA.
If you want to get Gingerbread by way of OTA, then revert to stock rom and recovery. Everything you need is in the sticked thread in the development section.
Mokurex said:
I believe you have to use the stock recovery as well if you wanted to update via OTA.
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No, you do not. You just need a newer version of Amon_RA (1.9+) or CWM.
Thank you for the correction.
Efrant, Mokurex,
perhaps it's my problem.
My original plan was to restore my phone is a status capable of receiving OTA updates. Considering that I'm not an IT expert it would be easier for me ho have such a phone.
Wandering on the web, I discovered that rooted phones are not eligible for OTA updates.
And most important of all, I'm not eligible to manually update is as well using the patches on the net (signature verification errors ... and many others seen above).
Mokurex helped me a lot (actually, solved my problem by now) suggesting that version of the ROM (I mean Geo's one) but it's the fruit of a work of an individual. I'm very grateful to him as well, but who knows about the future. Will Geo provide a similar version of Gingerbread as well ? Because without him I can't upgrade.
Efrant, got your remark.
I have CWM, latest version, I also bought the premium version (in oder to show to the programmer of it my appreciation) but in my case it just doesn't work.
With it, I can bypass the signature issue, but then I got stuck at assert failed: apply_patch_ckeck (" stystem app accountandsyncsetting . apk
Oh, by the way, I also tried to go back to ERE27 or something like that (unrooted version etc ...) but the mobile just doesn't work at all ...
I understood that the only way to unroot my phone (actually, any phone) and qualify for the OTA is via SDK.
... but I'm afraid it's just a bridge too far for my poor knowledge.
Geo has been quick to update his rom to the newest version. To upgrade to gingerbread, i'd assume that it would be like flashing any other custom rom, but there might be a bit more steps involved.
If you want completely stock, no root whatsoever, go here.
stefanopelloni said:
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Wandering on the web, I discovered that rooted phones are not eligible for OTA updates.
And most important of all, I'm not eligible to manually update is as well using the patches on the net (signature verification errors ... and many others seen above).
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I said it before, and I'll say it again: rooting has no bearing on the phone's ability to receive and install OTA updates -- what matters is which ROM you have. I rooted my phone when I bought it, and it had Eclair on it. I have received EVERY OTA update without any problem.
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Efrant, got your remark.
I have CWM, latest version, I also bought the premium version (in oder to show to the programmer of it my appreciation) but in my case it just doesn't work.
With it, I can bypass the signature issue, but then I got stuck at assert failed: apply_patch_ckeck (" stystem app accountandsyncsetting . apk
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That is probably because you were not using a stock ROM...
stefanopelloni said:
Oh, by the way, I also tried to go back to ERE27 or something like that (unrooted version etc ...) but the mobile just doesn't work at all ...
I understood that the only way to unroot my phone (actually, any phone) and qualify for the OTA is via SDK.
... but I'm afraid it's just a bridge too far for my poor knowledge.
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If you want a stock ROM, you can go here: http://developer.htc.com and download a Nexus One image to your sdcard, rename it to PASSIMG.zip and boot the phone into bootloader (by holding the trackball and powering up the phone). It should automatically detect the file and allow you to flash it.
Files from the site are official. If you get them from anywhere else, you can't really know what's been modified.
Dear Efrant,
if you were a girl, and in Italy, I would probably kiss you.
Now I have a bright-clear picture of the situation.
During the next holiday, I'll try and flash a stock version of the OS and then try the OTA update.
By now, the version mokurex suggested me work brilliantly and after so many nights wasted in a desperate search of an answer my myself i'm going to have a break.
... but thanks a lot. thanks indeed !!!
Sorry to disturb you again Eftant.
The fact is that today decided eventually to follow your step, but encountered another unexpected problem.
downolaed the original HTC rom - done
renamed it passimg.zip - done
turned on the N1 pressing trackball - done
expected detection of PASSIMG.zip - done
opening passimg.zip - done
checking passimg.zip - done
and then .. nothing
once the N1 load the passimg.zip file (i notice it from a loading bar on the upper right conder of the phone) it just allow me to
1)run bootloader agan
2) lock sim
3) restore something ...
... and that !
No possibility to "flash" rom as you wrote.
Did I miss anything ?
I see from the web that a lot of people bring back the N1 to the stock image using SDK from PC (MAC in my case) but the steps are not so clear considering the fact that I'm not that comfortable with the shell and the Android SDK is not intuitive (... to me).
Thanks in any case for your attention!
Try wiping your device then download the FRF91 image from the same site, rename it to PASSIMG.zip and save it to the root of your sdcard. Put your sdcard back into your device, and boot into the bootloader (by holding down the trackball as you push the power button). Once it flashes, wait for the OTA to FRG83G. Some users have said that the later images don't work using, particularly if you have updated to the 0.35 version of the bootloader.

sdx-developers now have ROMs based on 4/11/2011 VM USA Froyo release

The great developers and testers at sdx-developers came up with two version of Froyo using VM USA Froyo release.
1.
Rooted Froyo ROM for those who previously upgraded to Sprint Froyo 2.2
For Sprint baseband, DL05 or DF27
2.
Stock Froyo ROM based on latest VM USA
A few people tested this and reported that MMS and Voice Mail notifications working again.
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/int...obile-froyo-2-2-stock-system-and-kernel-dump/
Please read in detail and decide for yourself.
I'm still not sure about this update. It's not as simple as running Update.zip, right? You need to flash it, then do a factory reset, then download another program, run that, and THEN it works? Also, is this a modified ROM at all?
Yeah, this isn't the zipped rom from Virgin Mobile, this is pieced (back) together from the 2.2 update installed on an Intercept after the fact, apparently.
3:30pm PDT on 4/13 and still nothing.
I still haven't seen anybody come up with the actual 2.2 Froyo zipped rom from Virgin Mobile. Apparently everyone so far has popped a nut when they get the update and installed it directly instead of downloading it and choosing to install it later, then locating it on their phone and posting it somewhere.
I've got aLogcat installed. I am just waiting for the update to show up. I've seen the message that it is coming. Still waiting for it to arrive though. When it does I'll try to get the devs what they need. I don't really know what I am doing, but I'll give it a go.
I guess this no longer matters as the official update is now in the hands of SDX-Developers.
got mine on 4/20
holy sweet baby jesus this stuff is killing me! I've managed (by the grace) to get my bf's intercept rooted (not temp).. been on this for hours! I'm fairly accustomed to the process as I have an evo and been flashing nightlies for months.
I can't get a recovery on the phone via swupgrade. I put the cm01.tar in the binary folder by itself, and the thing goes through right to the last part and just sits there, doesn't transfer. heeeelp pleeeease! I'm so sick of this now. I was able to delete much of the bloat ware and now I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble to try and get a better rom / kernel. Advice?

atrix uk orange bootloop help

hey all got my atrix a week ago very happy with it managed to root it and thought i would take the plunge in flashing gingerblur 3.1 to it today
all seemed to go well untill reboot and now i seem to be stuck with a red flashing led and rebooting i did however make a backup of my stock rom if it helps
currently i cant do anything softbriced i think
any help on this would be great i am new to all this
uk atrix on orange network
well for any uk users who might come across the same issues i booted into fast boot recovery selected android recovery with volume buttons
which brought up an picture of droid and escelation mark tapped the bottom right hand corner to show on screen menu and selected factory restore and it fixed my bootloop issue.
now im sucsesfully running gingerbreak
i then used titanium backup restored my apps everything is good now
only issue is i cant change my deafult lock code and the finger print settings crash kinda stuck with a pin lock everytime it sleeps
nice one, good to know a orange atrix can use these roms, did you follow the exact same process or did you have to do anything different to the instructions provided?
also mine is stuck in a boot loot with the red led, but factory reset didnt fix it waiting for orange to get more stock for exchange
just followed the instuctions as posted from other users and read a few guides from here for days on end im wondering myself if there are any custom roms based on uk phone releases
No roms based for uk phones as yet as we run a diffrent software version than any of the other out,the only way it will work at a guess it to load a stock rom of a higher version from a at&t or bell one and then use a custom rom based for them, at the mo i am not going try it as we have no way to recover a full brick,you can always try and edit your own rom,this phone is nothing like the htc ones we all love to play with.
lonegunman said:
No roms based for uk phones as yet as we run a diffrent software version than any of the other out,the only way it will work at a guess it to load a stock rom of a higher version from a at&t or bell one and then use a custom rom based for them, at the mo i am not going try it as we have no way to recover a full brick,you can always try and edit your own rom,this phone is nothing like the htc ones we all love to play with.
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just so ya know the 2.1.1 that has leaked works perfectly and you can flash greyblur over it however it breaks data so i would bother for now but yeah it seems pretty safe, both me and chuckyd have flashed successfully
Thats is good news, can you explian more about the data breaks?
lonegunman said:
Thats is good news, can you explian more about the data breaks?
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its pretty weird, for me it seemed to work fine after i flashed, but then after rebooting later in the day, i couldnt get data to work regardless of what i did, it appeared to work with roaming enabled but i guess leaving that on isnt a great idea. hopefully its something small that ken could fix for us uk users as going from greyblur is a lot nicer overall, i found the honeycomb music player a bit slow though so ive installed playerpro
Have you got the right apn details? also have the radio rom changed?
Atrix in the UK
Hi Folks, I have had an Atrix for three months now and it works brilliantly in the UK with the following setup. Gingerblur 3.1 (based on android 2.2.2 with the system version 4.1.83.(latest avail) The only slight problem you might have is with the radio rom and thats easily fixed.(pm me for details) Also fully recoverable if required.
Ok, is it a new radio rom file?

[Q] 2.3.5 update

Alright, so I'm quite cautious before I proceed with the update but I've been hearing mixed results with the 2.3.5 update. I pretty much have the update ready to go in the ext SD card.
I was wondering since my phone is fairly new and stock, have the problems experienced by users who updated to 2.3.5 (such as null IMEI and touch screen issues) only affected those who have rooted and are running different roms? or could it affect me if I do an update to 2.3.5?
As for null IMEI, what significant impact would it have on my phone?
I'm really keen to go on Gingerbread as there doesn't seem to be any OTA updates to 2.3.5 here in NZ...
Current Android Version: U8800 V100R001C00B136
Cheers
I have been upgrading from stock 2.2 and did not have any problems at all. All went smooth and everything is working as it should. I am using 2.3 beta 1 update, because it has unlocked bootloader, otherwise it is preety much the same as final 2.3 release.
oh, do the problems people experience persist in beta 1? or over the official one?
Like I said, I did not have any problems with it and I had stock phone just like you (no costum rom, no costum partition). I know people have reported many problems with these updates but it works for me. If someone has different experience please post it and write in what state your phone was before update ( costum rom, partition, etc...)!
when I got my brand-new phone from the store, it was 2.2 but rooted (!) and no g-apps.
The update to 2.3 was no problem and everything works fine.
no root any more, but I don´t need it anyways.
Wurstwa55er said:
when I got my brand-new phone from the store, it was 2.2 but rooted (!) and no g-apps.
The update to 2.3 was no problem and everything works fine.
no root any more, but I don´t need it anyways.
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did you update to the beta builds or the 'original' build? I guess I won't have to back up if its only a rare minority experiencing these faults.
Stephen289 said:
I was wondering since my phone is fairly new and stock, have the problems experienced by users who updated to 2.3.5 (such as null IMEI and touch screen issues) only affected those who have rooted and are running different roms? or could it affect me if I do an update to 2.3.5?
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I have a U8800Pro so I can't offer you an answer as to whether you should upgrade, but all I can say is:
If your phone is rooted, use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1325036 to back up your IMEI. It's worth it anyway, even if you don't plan to upgrade
From what I've read, touchscreen issues seem to be occuring for those with Atmel screens (and there's a report of an Atmel screen going bad on its own anyway), not those with Synaptics ones. This is what I've gleaned by reading U8800 threads; again, I have a U8800Pro (which all come with Synaptics screens). You can use the tool Elixir from the Market or dial #*#2846579#*#* and navigate through the menus to find out what touchscreen you have

[Q] Some Questions About Software Update

Hey everyone,
Just wanted to ask a quick question regarding the firmware
I got my UK unlocked S5 last week and as soon as I set it up, an update came through, which is 100mb, the note regarding say "Improved performance", the update download, but I haven't installed it yet. Mainly because of a bad experience I had after updating my S3. I haven't come across any bugs since I've been using it, and I'm concerned that if I update, the battery will drain quicker, or perhaps cause an error in the recovery mode(these things happened to my S3 after updating to 4.3). So 2 main questions.
1. Has anyone here downloaded this 100mb software update their S5? If so, what differences did you notice?
2. Suppose I updated and wasn't happy with the new changes? Would it be possible to go back to the original firmware version that my phone came with when I took it out of the box, *without rooting my S5?
Hope some people on here can shed some light on these questions.
Thank you in advance*
1. It's just a system update. The phone is new there are bound to be updates as issues are ironed out
2. You can odin any firmware whenever you want
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MasterfulNinja said:
Has anyone here downloaded this 100mb software update their S5? If so, what differences did you notice?
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Your instincts are dead on. Updates may fix bugs or add a desireable feature. But just as often they introduce new bugs, break root or disable root exploits, break a few apps and add noxious DRM frameworks like the Knox qfuse warranty bit. They can seriously mess up a custom ROM and may depreciate features like MSC or car dock that may be important to you personally.
Updates cannot always be reverted. Try downgrading your Kitkat baseband to Jellybean and see what happens. Or try removing the Knox security bit after you take the update that introduced it. I disable automatic updates and wait to hear what early adopters find before upgrading.
Unfortunately you didn't tell us the all important version of your update. Or even tell us what your current firmware version and carrier are. Your update might be similar to the recent ATT /Verizon OTA adding the mixed blessing of reactivation lock. That is causing bootloops for some people with custom kermels. 4.4.3 is mostly bug fixes, with a few UI tweaks. And I believe 4.4.4 took aim at closing yet another open-SSL exploit and reverting some of the new 4.4.3 bugs.
No matter what an update intends to do, a few new bugs and unexpected conflicts usually turn up. A quick Google finds reports like this:
International Business Times said:
Issues Spotted for the Android 4.4.3 Kitkat
The Android 4.4.3 Kitkat system update is pretty much all about improving performances, strengthening stability and fixing a couple of bugs. However, it reels in a couple of issues experienced by users of Nexus devices that have already been upgraded to the latest update.
According to IT Pro, some of these issues include wi-fi problems, crashes and reboots and bugs found in apps. Google has not yet given any statement about how to deal with these issues nor has there been any word if these issues are only experienced by a handful.
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fffft said:
Your instincts are dead on. Updates may fix bugs or add a desireable feature. But just as often they introduce new bugs, break root or disable root exploits, break a few apps and add noxious DRM frameworks like the Knox qfuse warranty bit. They can seriously mess up a custom ROM and may depreciate features like MSC or car dock that may be important to you personally.
Updates cannot always be reverted. Try downgrading your Kitkat baseband to Jellybean and see what happens. Or try removing the Knox security bit after you take the update that introduced it. I disable automatic updates and wait to hear what early adopters find before upgrading.
Unfortunately you didn't tell us the all important version of your update. Or even tell us what your current firmware version and carrier are. Your update might be similar to the recent ATT /Verizon OTA adding the mixed blessing of reactivation lock. That is causing bootloops for some people with custom kermels. 4.4.3 is mostly bug fixes, with a few UI tweaks. And I believe 4.4.4 took aim at closing yet another open-SSL exploit and reverting some of the new 4.4.3 bugs.
No matter what an update intends to do, a few new bugs and unexpected conflicts usually turn up. A quick Google finds reports like this:
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Thank you very much for your detailed answers! That's exactly it! And I know from experience that updating firmware can cause a negative affect to the phone's performance. My iPhone 4S is still on iOS 5.1 but runs perfectly, while friends who updated their 4S to 7.1 experience freezes and heavy lag. Maybe companies do this deliberately, so people get frustrated and end up having to get the latest, more powerful model so the OS to run smoothly?
I do exactly the same, I always wait to see what people about an update before updating. The only difficulty with Android updates is that there seem to be so many different versions of updates. For example, when I researched the 100mb one for the S5,* various sites mentioned it, but others say the size of the update was 30mb, which were called "improved performance" I also heard about updates not always being able to be reverted to the previous version,* and also about Knox. So, you can see why I'm hesitant to update.
I know quite a bit about using Android, but have very limited knowledge regarding rooting and custom roms and so on. Also, after reading that rooting a phone incorrectly can turn it into a brick, I'm happy to just leave it as it is. I've attached a photo which shows my current firmware version, as well as other information. Also, as my S5 is unlocked, the only updates I'll receive will be from Samsung. I asked my carrier (T-Mobile UK) and that's what they told me. Only phones from bought from them include added apps that they put on, and I think they may also be able to tweak the updates received, by adding their own features.
Some more questions for you;
1. Do you recommend a factory reset after each software update?(I had to factory reset my S3 to stop the battery draining issue that 4.3 caused. But was wondering if it's best to factory reset after each and every update on Android devices)
2. I know you said that sometimes reverting back to a previous firmware isn't always possible, but can't using Odin with the correct firmware version work? Like Goldie mentioned in the above reply. And does changing the firmware via Odin require rooting the phone?
MasterfulNinja said:
Thank you very much for your detailed answers! That's exactly it! And I know from experience that updating firmware can cause a negative affect to the phone's performance. My iPhone 4S is still on iOS 5.1 but runs perfectly, while friends who updated their 4S to 7.1 experience freezes and heavy lag. Maybe companies do this deliberately, so people get frustrated and end up having to get the latest, more powerful model so the OS to run smoothly?
I do exactly the same, I always wait to see what people about an update before updating. The only difficulty with Android updates is that there seem to be so many different versions of updates. For example, when I researched the 100mb one for the S5,* various sites mentioned it, but others say the size of the update was 30mb, which were called "improved performance" I also heard about updates not always being able to be reverted to the previous version,* and also about Knox. So, you can see why I'm hesitant to update.
I know quite a bit about using Android, but have very limited knowledge regarding rooting and custom roms and so on. Also, after reading that rooting a phone incorrectly can turn it into a brick, I'm happy to just leave it as it is. I've attached a photo which shows my current firmware version, as well as other information. Also, as my S5 is unlocked, the only updates I'll receive will be from Samsung. I asked my carrier (T-Mobile UK) and that's what they told me. Only phones from bought from them include added apps that they put on, and I think they may also be able to tweak the updates received, by adding their own features.
Some more questions for you;
1. Do you recommend a factory reset after each software update?(I had to factory reset my S3 to stop the battery draining issue that 4.3 caused. But was wondering if it's best to factory reset after each and every update on Android devices)
2. I know you said that sometimes reverting back to a previous firmware isn't always possible, but can't using Odin with the correct firmware version work? Like Goldie mentioned in the above reply. And does changing the firmware via Odin require rooting the phone?
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1. Yes, a data factory reset after a update/flash a rom is remmended and gives best performance and stability;
2. I haven`t tried flashing a older rom itself but it should be possible i guess as this is not dowgrading like from 4.4.2 to 4.3. You could try it and if it fails there`s no harm done as you can flash your current rom back.
3. Installing a update or flash a rom usualy will kill root, though superSU Pro offers a survival mode to keep root after a update. You can also flash a rom with Mobile Odin Pro and enable everroot and the 2 other options so you will not loose root.
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I don't automatically accept updates. Someone more impulsive, or indifferent can be the guinea pig. That approach is effective in avoiding some unpleasant firmware surprises. Often an older firmware version runs smoother and is more stable as in your IOS 5 vs 7 example. Running an older firmware means that you may have unpatched security vulnerabilities but in practice this usually isn't a great or unmanageable problem. It is a point to keep in mind though.
Rooting isn't nearly as dangerous as many people think it is. Someone who can follow directions and avoid flashing firmware from a completely different device will rarely brick a phone. And even if you did, you can usually recover from the mishap. I mention this because one of the best ways to maintain a stable phone OS is to install a decent custom ROM (which typically requires root). And then most of the heavy lifting is done by the developer who has already removed bloat, restrictions and other objectionable pieces. And monitors and releases tailored and usually stable updates for those using his ROM.
Android updates vary in size because they are screened by carriers, each deciding what update components and /or custom bits goes into their version of the update. More restrictive Apple manages all IOS updates centrally from their California servers i.e. they don't relinquish direct control to carriers. Still it isn't hard to find articles giving a good summary of what issues android firmware updates are addressing.
Some people believe that you should accept every update and as soon as it becomes available. I don't see a compelling need to update unless you are trying to resolve a current bug or are enticed by a specific new feature. I don't recommend a factory reset after each update. I do recommend that you clear the system cache from recovery mode though. A factory reset usually won't benefit you but it is time consuming to reinstall and reconfigure your phone.
Having said that, if you have a specific issue, such as the 4.3 battery drain then you have a rationale for doing so. But I have to say that I experienced the same S3 issue and clearing the cache was sufficient to stabilize the phone for me. Some phones will develop corruption or configuration conflicts over time, especially if you install a lot of apps. Or if you have a specific app that makes a mess of your file system. With that in mind, I do do a factory reset about once a year to clean up the phone, the same as I would do for a laptop OS. But I don't see a reason to do it after every update.
Odin is a Samsung product, complete with DRM. So no, you cannot flash anything with Odin. You can flash most stock firmware and in particular Odin will look for OEM signatures if you try to change the bootloader or modem. In the case of downgrading, it is the Knox qfuse on your phone that will cause the Odin flash to fail. If you try to downgrade you end up with a partial flash which can soft brick your phone and trip the Knox flag.
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