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We need to know the status of when these devices will get upgrades.
At least fix the bugs.
I would recommend changing the 'a' in your name to 'o'
mmoran27 said:
We need to know the status of when these devices will get upgrades.
At least fix the bugs.
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"Hey look I am another person who doesn't search the forum and *****es about things that have been addressed and handles a million times".
They have stated when they're updating every time, now shut up and go away.
another smartass
OK smartass when is 3.1 coming for the ASUS?
I guess you know that because they told you right?
You are the moron.
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OK smartass when is 3.1 coming for the ASUS?
I guess you know that because they told you right?
You are the moron.
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3.1 got announced TODAY.
Asus has said when THEIR next update will be. Stop being an idiot. OH NO THEY DIDN'T ANNOUNCE THE UPDATE 2 SECONDS AFTER GOOGLE ANNOUNCED 3.1 **** THEY DON'T KEEP US UP TO DATE.
When is their next update?
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When is their next update?
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within 2 weeks.
seshmaru said:
within 2 weeks.
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Thanks!
Did they provide any details about it? Would you have a link by any chance?
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Thanks!
Did they provide any details about it? Would you have a link by any chance?
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Eh there's info on this forum and on the Anandtech review, an asus rep said they were putting out bug fixes, probably a new dock firmware, changes to android and kernel, changes to myLibrary app, and they said generic tweaks as well.
Ahhh the under-used search function. Rest in peace my dear departed friend, under your mountain of dust.
Next he will want Asustek to announce the exact date they will release the Tegra 9 tablet.
Ah, y'all are being too hard on the guy...
Asus DID sell a dock that more than half of recipients can't even use and haven't made an official statement, let alone provided a date for the fix.
Sure, it's nice they're on the forum but frankly the dock shouldn't have even shipped in the state it's in.
They also released the tablets with varying firmware (including 2.2!), the wrong firmware for certain areas causing Transformers to brick, light bleed problems, dust under the screen issues, creaking issues...
And that was for the people who could find one!
And then they posted on Facebook how much we loved them.
Not a stellar launch!
(P.S. I do like my Transformer. But I want my damn dock fixed ASAP! )
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Ah, y'all are being too hard on the guy...
Asus DID sell a dock that more than half of recipients can't even use and haven't made an official statement, let alone provided a date for the fix.
Sure, it's nice they're on the forum but frankly the dock shouldn't have even shipped in the state it's in.
They also released the tablets with varying firmware (including 2.2!), the wrong firmware for certain areas causing Transformers to brick, light bleed problems, dust under the screen issues, creaking issues...
And that was for the people who could find one!
And then they posted on Facebook how much we loved them.
Not a stellar launch!
(P.S. I do like my Transformer. But I want my damn dock fixed ASAP! )
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Uh, they did release info about the dock update, but I guess you as well are plagued by the inability to use the search function or google. They have given a timeframe for a new dock firmware, also if you bought the dock thinking there wouldn't be issues, maybe you should have read a review first. Personally I'd rather have a buggy dock than no dock so witholding them completely doesn't really do you any good since then you wouldn't have a dock at all.
The bricking update yeah, they dun goofd on that. But they did give the people affected speedy RMA's and kept in contact with them, even on a seperate forum unaffiliated with Asus.
Really, show me an official link? I've read unofficial postings, but nothing firm.
Also, yeah, sorry that I assumed that Asus wouldn't ship something so broken. I mean, heaven forbid I'd want to USE what I paid for.....
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Really, show me an official link? I've read unofficial postings, but nothing firm.
Also, yeah, sorry that I assumed that Asus wouldn't ship something so broken. I mean, heaven forbid I'd want to USE what I paid for.....
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Reading reviews before you buy is difficult I heard. I guess it is if you can't use google like just about 60% of the users on this forum. It was your decision to buy it, and your fault for disregarding the warnings in reviews. No one forced you.
Uh, the reviews I read said that Asus would have the issues sorted out before it was released.
And I guess it's okay with you that it was shipped with this many problems?
You're always sticking up for Asus like everything is perfect. Is that your job? Maybe you should go back to work before your manager at Asus catches you surfing.
I mean, I love my tablet. Just in no way shape or form was this launch done well. And I haven't seen a product shipped as broken as the dock in a long time... It's UNUSABLE right now for many people. (More than HALF if our little poll is accurate.)
I understand where people are coming from with their dissatisfaction. Asus should have NOT SOLD the docks until the issues were fixed, or they had a DAY ONE patch ready.
P.S. Where's that official link?
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Uh, the reviews I read said that Asus would have the issues sorted out before it was released.
And I guess it's okay with you that it was shipped with this many problems?
You're always sticking up for Asus like everything is perfect. Is that your job? Maybe you should go back to work before your manager at Asus catches you surfing.
I mean, I love my tablet. Just in no way shape or form was this launch done well. And I haven't seen a product shipped as broken as the dock in a long time...
P.S. Where's that official link?
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I don't stick up for Asus about nearly everything, the tablet has designflaws which causes issues for some users which is bad. Some build quality issues, their regular tech support is ****, their advertising is bar none, their update bricked devices.
And I didn't read any review that stated the dock would launch without issues or that Asus had said it would launch without issues. Then again I read a lot of reviews since I get my hands on a lot of tech so I generally know which reviews are accurate.
Also shipping with problems is better to me than not shipping at all. Look at the viewsonic g tab, it launched with a **** stock OS which is unusable and still is. LG has unusable software on 2 of their devices. iPads come with light bleed and wifi issues, Xoom comes without a functioning microSD slot, with a lot of products there are problems at launch, but the important problems are the ones that can't get fixed through software. The fact is if you had read a credible review you would have known the dock was buggy but would get an update in the following weeks of the release.
Also a confirmed Asus rep making a statement is generally enough since Asus reps have generally been pretty forward about updates. Anand also stated an update would be on it's way. But I guess using a search is difficult
Thanks for the well thought out response! And I do use the search...
I just don't count anything on this forum as official.. I consider official as on Asus' pages, or an official press release by them, etc.
Anyway, it's a great piece of hardware for the price! I hope they get everything sorted out quickly. I'd really like to be able to use my dock.
You guys are complaining about the dock while many of us don't even have a chance of touching it!!!
I would rather have it now and wait for the incoming update.
I think Microsoft should now tell us when we can expect a updated skype with video calling ability. How irresponsible of them. right, eh, OP???
I took delivery of my UK Xoom 3G on 2 May 2011 and fell in love with it. I knew it had bugs but I still loved it because love is blind.
I knew updates would come....I had a Google Experience Device so I just knew I wouldn't be left with a crippled device, so I kept on loving it.
Then 3.1 was released in the US. EXCELLENT I thought, in a couple of weeks we in the UK would also be shown some love by the mighty Motorola. It never came.
Other devices came late to the party and were given these mysterious software updates, my friends mocked me and my wife pleaded with me to get an iPad which would show me the same amount of love as I would give it, but I kept faith...I loved my Xoom you see.
Its now June 19th and Motorola have abandoned me, they refuse to talk to me and refuse to love me back, my poor beautifully built Xoom sits there happily force closing at every opportunity and I sit here pondering how my investment so full of promise has become a mere missed opportunity. How sad....Some relationships aren't meant to be and I for one will now be looking for a divorce. Bye Moto, I hope you can live with yourself
Sent from my Motorola Xoom 3G (now on Ebay)
I have a bit the same feelings like you...! I like my xoom really, but it piss me off that the NEW update policy of google only works in US well! Thats unfair, and this is one point why i would go to apple! Yes i have a lot of rules and things what i CANT do but i get allways software updates, for the next 2years / generations. And everyone gets the updates at the same time...!
And to Moto, Motorola should push google to deliver more update or make it like samsung to update apps over the market!!
For me at the moment, it was my first Moto device and the last one, maybee the last android...
I hoped you signed the petition floating around in here!!
Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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You're also in the US. Where we got the 3.1 update. So ours is working better than theirs.
csseale said:
I hoped you signed the petition floating around in here!!
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I have indeed signed the petition (74th signature) on there. Lets hope it makes a difference although I fear it won't
zone23 said:
Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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Yes mate spot on its me the user who is at fault, I also take responsibility for the unfinished OS Google allowed to be released and the lack of any updates outside of the US ruining my experience with this device! All my fault
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I have indeed signed the petition (74th signature) on there. Lets hope it makes a difference although I fear it won't
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But at least they SEE
andyiacovou said:
Yes mate spot on its me the user who is at fault, I also take responsibility for the unfinished OS Google allowed to be released and the lack of any updates outside of the US ruining my experience with this device! All my fault
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I knew you were going to take it that way because that's how people think. I was referring to me overclocking, unlocking and rooting. Having a device that I can play with and not one locked down. Thats what I mean by the user.
Let me ask you this:
Do you have an Android phone?
Let me also add this:
If you would have said that you were going to a Transformer or a HTC View then I would have thought it was the device. Instead you said a iPad which means its the operating system and using the device that you don't like. Maybe your Xoom is defective. Did you try getting it replaced?
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I knew you were going to take it that way because that's how people think. I was referring to me overclocking, unlocking and rooting. Having a device that I can play with and not one locked down. Thats what I mean by the user.
Let me ask you this:
Do you have an Android phone?
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Yes I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and its amazing. I also had a Dell Streak 5 and a Galaxy Tab (original) so am very used to the Android OS. I did not say I was getting an Ipad, I said my missus wants me to get one because she feels its the best available 10" finished tablet solution at the moment....
I have considered the Asus Transformer but I need 3G and a 3G version is not available yet. The Galaxy 10.1 is also not yet available in the UK. I do not feel confident rooting and installing custom ROM's and to be honest I shouldn't have to go down this route to get a working product, especially one which cost me £580
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Yes I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and its amazing. I also had a Dell Streak 5 and a Galaxy Tab (original) so am very used to the Android OS. I did not say I was getting an Ipad, I said my missus wants me to get one because she feels its the best available 10" finished tablet solution at the moment....
I have considered the Asus Transformer but I need 3G and a 3G version is not available yet. The Galaxy 10.1 is also not yet available in the UK. I do not feel confident rooting and installing custom ROM's and to be honest I shouldn't have to go down this route to get a working product, especially one which cost me £580
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Ya it sucks that other country versions of the Xoom suck so bad that is lame. We don't do apple in our house as a matter of fact we don't even speak of it. Also I did not root to fix problems I root so I can overclock and backup my device. So basically you bring that baby home turn it on and its FC city, wow.
If you like your Xoom so much why havent you done what lots of others have done, Root it and Load the US Version, I have to say though its still not perfect.. There are no good Office apps out there so its far from being capable of being used for business. Facebook App force closes quite regularly, the mail app looks a bit mickey mouse and basic. What I wouldnt give for Thunderbird and Open Office on it!!!..
Non-US Xoom is not Google Experience device, thats what I read in many Xoom forum posts. So, thats why you dont get update directly from Google. I read from Moto forums that it will be updated in couple of months.
Granted, thats not good enough. Couple of months is way too long.
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Non-US Xoom is not Google Experience device, thats what I read in many Xoom forum posts. So, thats why you dont get update directly from Google. I read from Moto forums that it will be updated in couple of months.
Granted, thats not good enough. Couple of months is way too long.
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If i'd known on the 2nd May that it's wasn't a GED and updates would be this slow, I probably wouldn't have purchased it. I don't think anyone knew at that point!
People keep telling me to root and flash US ROM, but as well as losing my 3g and voiding my warranty, I'm not sure I want to risk it and why should I?
Sent from my Xoom 3G
I'd be tempted to mention your dissatisfaction on the Motorola Facebook page too. Perhaps a little naming and shaming will push them a little harder, other than that, it may give other prospective European customers a little insight into the current support situation?
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hey you guys I just popped in here from the transformer forum, I would think that google is not at fault with OTA updates only the state of 3.1 at the moment. my transformer was on 3.0 when it arrived on the first of June, and an update was available straight away. Ordered in the UK and shipped to spain. Same with my desire HD quickly updated to gingerbread. Its a Moto Thing.
Just glad Asus have gone down the same route as HTC, Great design and features just need the bugs in honeycomb ironing out now.
Just done mine this afternoon. Now on 3.1 with SD card support and 3G. Like you say though, shame I had to void my warranty in order to get a working device....
It really is a shame that moto has gone down this route of misleading its customers. I have owned a few android devices over the past 2 years from different manufacturers ; however the Xoom is my first device from moto and will most definitely be the last one from them.
The only reason that the US Xoom has gotten the 3.1 update (which isn't perfect, but addresses many of the 3.0 glitches) is because its backed by Google (GED)
Many many people outside the US have bought the Xoom fully expecting it to be a GED and rightfully so. Seems that once moto got their money the relationship was promptly ended.
I'm not sure if this applies to you, but over here, the Xoom does NOT come with the Google logo on the back.. this seems to be the indicator as to whether or not its a GE.
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Just done mine this afternoon. Now on 3.1 with SD card support and 3G. Like you say though, shame I had to void my warranty in order to get a working device....
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What I really need is a simple step by step guide to rooting, flashing the US ROM and get my 3g working. Sounds a lot to ask but if anyone can help I would be really grateful and might convince me to keep it.
I've looked at some of the threads in the development section but they are a little complicated to follow
Sent from my Xoom 3G
According to Acer ANZ's Facebook page, the a500 is now scheduled to get the ICS update by April 2012 as opposed to the former January expectation.
I suppose this is better than not getting it at all
Hopefully, someone will have a fully functioning build sooner than Acer does!
The Facebook page is here: http://www.facebook.com/AcerANZ
Also, attached a picture of the comment.
I'm guessing ANZ stands for Australia-New Zealand? If so, then the same applies for India too.
If you look again, ACER ANZ have removed their comment. This can only mean 1 thing; that they were wrong/didn't know the actual date.
It will come when it comes. At least Acer is a lot faster than Samsung when it comes to software updates, especially to its "lesser known" devices........
If you are dying to get ICS there is a ROM for it over at tegra owners. Almost everything is working except for the camera. You do so at your own risk though.
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If you look again, ACER ANZ have removed their comment. This can only mean 1 thing; that they were wrong/didn't know the actual date.
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Well, I don't know about it only meaning that.. Maybe the guy's boss found out that he spilled the beans and demanded he take it down...
Anyway, we all hope he was full of it and Acer Poland was right with January. But like I said, better April than never.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
January would be good,Feb. Is OK, April is along way off. I just hope we get it.Just got a survey from Acerasking how I liked A500, responded that they should make sure that an OTA update to ICS comes soon, said that alot of people on xda developers and other Acer and android sites expect it and will be pi**ed with Acer if it doesn't come soon.I know this would be my last Acer product if it does not happen.
Wayne
Actually, let me clear up some of the confusion. The February-April ICS date mentioned was ICS estimated release for ACER's new hardware. For example, if you buy an a200 they will tell you to look for ICS starting in February as an OTA.
Again, everyone needs to watch actually what ACER is actually saying. Because they are releasing new hardware (really nice what I saw at CES) with HC, it is nuking up the waters. I stood there at CES and watched a person come up and ask 'when we getting ICS?' and they replied starting in Feb. But, when I asked the salesman, are you saying we're getting ICS on the a500, starting in Feb? The sales person said, no. That this was for these new tablets they're releasing now with HC. But, the person asking had already walked away assuming they were talking about all tablets with HC.
So a lot of people are taking this as ACER saying older equipment will also be getting the ICS OTA. This is not clear, nor has it been clear when we've talked to ACER directly. It really depends on which way the wind blows. They told the 'suits' here that it wasn't then was, and then it wasn't. So, maybe you have to drink more to understand it <lol>.
So, if you want ICS then load a custom ROM that already has it. You can always flash back if and when they release it.
TD
If it takes Acer until April to get ICS to the A500, I'll be buying anything BUT an Acer that is out with Teg3 and ICS.
Scr3w that!
kjy2010 said:
If it takes Acer until April to get ICS to the A500, I'll be buying anything BUT an Acer that is out with Teg3 and ICS.
Scr3w that!
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I think I'm with you too. CES had some really, really, really nice Teg3 ones and NO LOCKED bootloader.
Yeah... hoping I didn't get screwed over for the second time; once by motorola and now soon* by acer. I still believe in you acer!
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I think I'm with you too. CES had some really, really, really nice Teg3 ones and NO LOCKED bootloader.
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Dont forget that the a500 didnt ship with a locked bootloader, that was patched in. No guarantee that the teg3 devices will stay unocked.
On another note, are the new acer tablets the same as these, but with teg3? I ask because the only reason I dont run ICS now is because I need the camera. If it isnt figured out by then (it seems more devices are getting it running now) could the camera stuff be taken from the a200or whatever?
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Dont forget that the a500 didnt ship with a locked bootloader, that was patched in. No guarantee that the teg3 devices will stay unocked.
On another note, are the new acer tablets the same as these, but with teg3? I ask because the only reason I dont run ICS now is because I need the camera. If it isnt figured out by then (it seems more devices are getting it running now) could the camera stuff be taken from the a200or whatever?
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You know you're right with the locked bootloader, but I was thinking of a vendor that has a policy not to lock it.
The camera is not the only issue we've had with hardware drivers on ICS. It will depend on what hardware you really need supported and/or matters to you. Some of the tablets at CES with ICS crashed or parts didn't work in some of the demos. No real big issues because they are not yet ready. The vendors that have been working on ICS for a while seem to very stable.
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The a 200 does not have a rear facing cam. the a 510 I am not sure. Both have a teg 2 so not much of a upgrade from the a 500. The a 700 I am not sure of because it is still so new.
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I think I'm with you too. CES had some really, really, really nice Teg3 ones and NO LOCKED bootloader.
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The next Asus one with the higher screen Res looked nice, but Asus support is worse than Acer's, which really isn't saying much these days.
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The next Asus one with the higher screen Res looked nice, but Asus support is worse than Acer's, which really isn't saying much these days.
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My current ASUS I like (transformer). I liked the Toshiba Thrive better right up to the last OTA which is when they locked the boot loader (removed fastboot actually).
Samsung Galaxy 10 I have is pretty good too. I'm just sick of fighting locked devices then we find an exploit then they patch it. PUKE. I'm really thinking Windows 8 might be a better solution.
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The a 200 does not have a rear facing cam. the a 510 I am not sure. Both have a teg 2 so not much of a upgrade from the a 500. The a 700 I am not sure of because it is still so new.
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Isn't the rear camera not supported on ICS because no drivers and the one they put on the NEW A200 does? Why only the front, not sure?
Some of the hardware devices that we use on the a500 have no ICS drivers at all and non-planned (official from ACER). However we were assured that on their new line they would have all the hardware drivers for what we need. However, we have to purchase new devices. Reminds me of upgrading Windows just to find out you need to buy a new printer, or the time I had to purchase a new scanner because there were no drivers for my win98 fax/scanner when I went to XP.
So for us, ICS isn't even an option because lack of device drivers on the a500, unless that changes. But for most, maybe it won't matter. But, can you imagine waking up to find ICS downloaded on your a500 and your keyboard doesn't work? Or your mobile card? How about your blood pressure monitor, or diabetes tester? With a locked bootloader how you going fix that, and if you roll back, OTA's still keep a coming unless you can root it.
A mad house I tell you, a mad house. Sometimes I think they think we're trainable monkey's. Take your dirty stinky locked bootloader off my tablet you dang dirty ACER update.
TD
I also think I am done with acer for two reasons. Updates get postponed each and every time and that not very fair for their customers... Maybe they should hire some more programer or I don't know what..... Also the quality of build is terrible. My volume button broke and when i opened the device I saw it was based on two tiny plastic "legs" that could break anyway by hard use; so be careful with it. On the other hand the hardware it is in general good and no any software problems (with custom rom of course). If any other new device come with full USB port then bye bye acer!!!!!!!
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Actually, let me clear up some of the confusion. The February-April ICS date mentioned was ICS estimated release for ACER's new hardware. For example, if you buy an a200 they will tell you to look for ICS starting in February as an OTA.
Again, everyone needs to watch actually what ACER is actually saying. Because they are releasing new hardware (really nice what I saw at CES) with HC, it is nuking up the waters. I stood there at CES and watched a person come up and ask 'when we getting ICS?' and they replied starting in Feb. But, when I asked the salesman, are you saying we're getting ICS on the a500, starting in Feb? The sales person said, no. That this was for these new tablets they're releasing now with HC. But, the person asking had already walked away assuming they were talking about all tablets with HC.
So a lot of people are taking this as ACER saying older equipment will also be getting the ICS OTA. This is not clear, nor has it been clear when we've talked to ACER directly. It really depends on which way the wind blows. They told the 'suits' here that it wasn't then was, and then it wasn't. So, maybe you have to drink more to understand it <lol>.
So, if you want ICS then load a custom ROM that already has it. You can always flash back if and when they release it.
TD
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Once again, you completely miss the mark. Your lack of reading comprehension is phenomenal or you didn't even read the original post and attachment.
If you read the attachment in the original post, you would see there is absolutely no way to construe it, as even remotely referring, to some future/yet to be released Acer tablets. It was intended for current A500 owners.
IMHO, you really don't have the credibility to "let you clear up some of the confusion". Your "anti ICS upgrade" dogma, is starting to cloud your judgement and apparently your understanding of the English language.
Now, as to why the post was removed, it could be a myriad of things, either "good" or "bad", for those wishing for an upgrade.
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Once again, you completely miss the mark. Your lack of reading comprehension is phenomenal or you didn't even read the original post and attachment.
If you read the attachment in the original post, you would see there is absolutely no way to construe it, as even remotely referring, to some future/yet to be released Acer tablets. It was intended for current A500 owners.
IMHO, you really don't have the credibility to "let you clear up some of the confusion". Your "anti ICS upgrade" dogma, is starting to cloud your judgement and apparently your understanding of the English language.
Now, as to why the post was removed, it could be a myriad of things, either "good" or "bad", for those wishing for an upgrade.
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You know, I would agree with you if you:
1. You were at CES with us.
2. You were a reseller of ACER tablets like us.
3. You have had reps in your office from ACER like us.
4. You personally wrote software for the ACER that is is sold in over 8 countries like us.
5. You went to the annual ACER meeting like us.
6. You wrote hardware device drivers for ACER, Toshiba, Samsung, ASUS, Lenovo, HP, HTC, . . . .Like we do!
7. You actually owned retails stores in multiple states that sells ACER products like us.
8. That your P&L showed more than 2.3 million on the ACER Cost Center in NET software sales alone like us
In other words, I hope this clears it up for you.
TD
timmyDean said:
You know, I would agree with you if you:
1. You were at CES with us.
2. You were a reseller of ACER tablets like us.
3. You have had reps in your office from ACER like us.
4. You personally wrote software for the ACER that is is sold in over 8 countries like us.
5. You went to the annual ACER meeting like us.
6. You wrote hardware device drivers for ACER, Toshiba, Samsung, ASUS, Lenovo, HP, HTC, . . . .Like we do!
7. You actually owned retails stores in multiple states that sells ACER products like us.
8. That your P&L should more than 2.3 million on ACER NET software sales alone like us
In other words, I hope this clears it up for you.
TD
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So you didn't read the original post of this thread and its attachment?
firetruck41,
I'm just trying to share with you where these dates are coming from and they are coming from NOT some per speculation or something else.
Thanks
Read before posting regarding any future updates ("Jelly Bean") and transformer tf101
People need to stop worrying and asking about when ASUS will release the ICS update.
Its not like they said they will never update it or they have dropped support. And don't forget how often we had updates during honeycomb and how quickly things were patched. More often then other competition devices.
There is a lot of work put into making a working device. The developers on xda itself take a long time before they have anything fully functional. Not to mention trying to troubleshoot the bugs that pop up.
1) Google releases the source code for the operating system. Once its released developers have to comb through the whole source dump to understand whats going on and what has to be done before doing anything. And its not just one developer who has to do this, but the entire team thats working on it. It takes time. (They have a life too so give them a break)
2) Then the most important and the most dificult part is getting the drivers incorporated properly and making sure they are functioning. It might sound easy but its not. Most of the time making something work might break something else (same goes for fixing bugs).
3) Not everything happens in one go. Just like the developers here on xda have alpha and beta releases, so do techs at any company (i.e. AUSU). The builds have to be tested and tested and retested before gettng approval.
4) No company is obliged to give any software updates. And if they are then they can release the update when they feel like it. Even if you abandon or sell this device and buy another android device, it will most likely also be in this same situation.
5) NOT EVERY OWNER OF ASUS TRANSFORMER TF101 IS ON XDA or CARES ABOUT ROOT. There are a mojority of owners that have little to no knowledge regarding rooting, roms, upgrades, or even xda. And most of them dont really care as long as the device is functioning properly. Thus releasing a premature update to the masses will be wrong and very bad for marketing.
6) Remember that a new android os is released almost every 6-7 months. So the whole process has to start all over again. And not to mention that most devices that have gingerbread will be getting their ICS update by the end of 1st quarter or during the 2nd quarter (mostly the information given by the companies are very unreliable and could take longer or the devices might get abandoned). And by the time those devices get ICS updated, there will be another android version ready to be released.
7) IT WILL BE RELEASED WHEN ITS READY. So dont fill the general forum section with threads regarding the release of ICS. The whole first page is filled with it already. (I am sorry that i added this to the list too but seriously people need to calm down a little).
Oh no, another ICS TF101 thread!!!!
shahbaz5588, your post was well reasoned and displayed both logic and common sense, and it's a damn shame that none of it seems to have any place here.
Shahbaz5588, please read this thread before posting another ICS thread. Jesus christ...
@goodintentions lol atleast people will read it twice now
I kinda wish for ASUS to be more transparent with their consumers.
Just what we need a new mod with 24 posts posting on ICS.
So, tl;dr: Developing is hard, shut the **** up and suck it up?
I don't think so.
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shahbaz5588 said:
People need to stop worrying and asking about when ASUS will release the ICS update.
Its not like they said they will never update it or they have dropped support. And don't forget how often we had updates during honeycomb and how quickly things were patched. More often then other competition devices.
There is a lot of work put into making a working device. The developers on xda itself take a long time before they have anything fully functional. Not to mention trying to troubleshoot the bugs that pop up.
1) Google releases the source code for the operating system. Once its released developers have to comb through the whole source dump to understand whats going on and what has to be done before doing anything. And its not just one developer who has to do this, but the entire team thats working on it. It takes time. (They have a life too so give them a break)
2) Then the most important and the most dificult part is getting the drivers incorporated properly and making sure they are functioning. It might sound easy but its not. Most of the time making something work might break something else (same goes for fixing bugs).
3) Not everything happens in one go. Just like the developers here on xda have alpha and beta releases, so do techs at any company (i.e. AUSU). The builds have to be tested and tested and retested before gettng approval.
4) No company is obliged to give any software updates. And if they are then they can release the update when they feel like it. Even if you abandon or sell this device and buy another android device, it will most likely also be in this same situation.
5) NOT EVERY OWNER OF ASUS TRANSFORMER TF101 IS ON XDA or CARES ABOUT ROOT. There are a mojority of owners that have little to no knowledge regarding rooting, roms, upgrades, or even xda. And most of them dont really care as long as the device is functioning properly. Thus releasing a premature update to the masses will be wrong and very bad for marketing.
6) Remember that a new android os is released almost every 6-7 months. So the whole process has to start all over again. And not to mention that most devices that have gingerbread will be getting their ICS update by the end of 1st quarter or during the 2nd quarter (mostly the information given by the companies are very unreliable and could take longer or the devices might get abandoned). And by the time those devices get ICS updated, there will be another android version ready to be released.
7) IT WILL BE RELEASED WHEN ITS READY. So dont fill the general forum section with threads regarding the release of ICS. The whole first page is filled with it already. (I am sorry that i added this to the list too but seriously people need to calm down a little).
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shut up...
Opps i posted on another thread before I read this one....me bad...just not very good at following commands Yes it wil be here when it gets here
you could always ignore the damned threads. and thanks a bunch for Contributing another thread about ics for the tf101. do note sarcasm is included in this post. and should be read with a tone of extreme annoyance
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shahbaz5588 said:
There is a lot of work put into making a working device. The developers on xda itself take a long time before they have anything fully functional. Not to mention trying to troubleshoot the bugs that pop up.
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You've missed one small but crucial thing... Asus' devs already released ICS over a month ago, for the Prime. If you seriously believe there's a single significant difference between the two builds beyond drivers, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
And guess what? Asus doesn't make the drivers... the suppliers do. Those drivers have also been available for almost a month in public for other closely related devices like the Xoom, and will have been available to Asus long before that. You know, back when Asus was working on the TF101 and TF201 updates, simultaneously. (You don't seriously believe they have two separate teams working on near-identical builds in isolation, do you? If so, time to start clearing shelf space for the second bridge I'm selling you... they'll look so CUTE side by side on your mantelpiece.)
Not to mention, Asus' own statements don't add up. It's not just that we've been promised the update in December, January, February, and now March, either. I'm talking basic inconsistencies.
First it was "We're all done, we're just waiting for Google."
Then it was "Actually, we're waiting for our engineers. It's Chinese New Year's fault."
The only consistency is that Asus won't blame themselves. Truth be told, the update is almost certainly complete, to the same level as the Prime build, and was available inside Asus at the same time. It will have finished in-house testing--something Asus doesn't seem to do much of, given basic problems that have slipped by unnoticed in previous public releases-- at exactly the same time as the Prime build did.
Most likely the only reasons we're still waiting a month later are twofold. A little exclusivity for Asus' much-maligned, troubled newer and more expensive hardware, and the fact they then realized they had some fundamental problems in that joint ICS build that were bricking Primes, and would also be bricking TF101s that were still under warranty, and have sold in far greater numbers.
When will we TF101 users get ICS? My guess is, ~2 weeks after TF201 users get an ICS build that doesn't result in a flurry of warranty service. Most likely in mid-late March, as I've said for weeks now...
Sorry, but that's bull**** and excuses.
Large companies like Asus have access to the ICS long before it's made public, they are usually involved in the development process itself along with Google. Many devices like the Transformer (but more likely the Xoom in this case) are used DURING ICS development.
The Tegra2 platform drivers are developed by the hardware manufacturers in conjunction with Google too (again prior to release). In the case of Tegra2 devices, they don't differ too much in design, almost always using the reference design with a few hardware tweaks that have little or no impact on the drivers or OS.
Even the dock has very little low-level OS changes, Android has supported add-on keyboards and touchpads for some time already (HC 3.1 introduced the new mouse pointer).
Most of the dev work to support Asus apps, has already been done for the Prime.
The bottom line, is if Acer and others can already get their ICS out already, so could Asus. However I'm pretty certain it's being held back for commercial reasons, and almost all developers have been diverted to Prime and TF700T development.
Worst of all, is the total silence (aside from woolly non-commital wording), leaving their customers totally in the dark on this. This is the worst aspect of it.
We have had info from various Asus sources saying TF101 would get ICS the same day as Prime, a few weeks after, in Feb, now Feb/March.
CrazyPeter said:
Sorry, but that's bull**** and excuses.
Large companies like Asus have access to the ICS long before it's made public, they are usually involved in the development process itself along with Google. Many devices like the Transformer (but more likely the Xoom in this case) are used DURING ICS development.
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Completely agree. All people are doing by saying "just wait, it will be ready when it's ready" is trying to censor mass user anger at ASUS for not being able to produce an operating system that they've had available to them since NOVEMBER (possibly sooner).
Anyone remember the Android Update Alliance? Updates in a reasonable time frame? How does several months after the fact sound? Is that reasonable to you?
The ONLY reason that this is taking so long is so that people will go out and get the Transformer Prime, and ASUS will keep dragging their heels until we, their customers, get pissed off enough at them and start DEMANDING that they release the update, or even a 'leaked' build, like Samsung does.
We SHOULD be getting pissed, we SHOULD be battering their facebook page demanding an update, we SHOULD have tons of threads in the forums demanding ICS from ASUS, so maybe they will realize that and say 'oh ****, maybe we should actually, you know, DO something for our customers'.
First, you've got to get mad.
Sure, demand them and force them to rush the update, now that will work!
With all respect to your opinions, I'd rather wait more and have a good stable, and fully baked 4.0.
Don't get me wrong, I bought the Tf101 with 4.0 in mind, so I'm also craving for it. I used, as my daily rom, 4.0 on my Nexus S when not even wifi was working.
Asus knows what they are doing IMO, and rushing them is gonn make no difference. Just let them do their thing. They will do it, they are the ones driving the company, not us. Its their decisions and preferences.
I'd like to say just one thing: the Acer A500 (the real, direct competitor for our TF101) will get official ICS in April. Get your conclusions.
I think that everyone who screams "omg you promised me jenuary and now you are delaying I want it now!!1!1!revenge&selltheTF101&youdontworkwell&Y U DELAY" sounds like a teen screaming when her parents dont buy to her the dress she wants.
CrazyPeter said:
Sorry, but that's bull**** and excuses.
Large companies like Asus have access to the ICS long before it's made public, they are usually involved in the development process itself along with Google. Many devices like the Transformer (but more likely the Xoom in this case) are used DURING ICS development.
The Tegra2 platform drivers are developed by the hardware manufacturers in conjunction with Google too (again prior to release). In the case of Tegra2 devices, they don't differ too much in design, almost always using the reference design with a few hardware tweaks that have little or no impact on the drivers or OS.
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that just shows me how less you know about the "large companies"...
google releases any new android version to the flagship device which will first showcase the new OS.... for example, when google nexus (the first one) was released it was first given to htc to bring out 2.1... and the next google flagship phones made by samsung were first given access to both gingerbread and ICS... google works with the developers of samsung during this time to help bring out the product... no other "large company" has access until the product is released... and the source of the android os is not released until significant flagship devices are sold...
As for the nvidia tegra 2 drivers... they werent updated to work on ICS until last month (google, nvidia, and motorola were working on it together http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371486)... and there has been no news regarding its release since motorola xoom got the ICS update... and for your kind information motorola xoom only got ICS update in USA... the rest of the world has to wait till Q2 of 2012 (https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c)
Yes the tegra 2 devices can be used with a few hardware tweaks from xoom... but "large companies" cant do tweaks and use hacks... they cant use drivers made for a certain device on its own product... the processors could be the same but the boards are different... so the drivers have to be modified to function properly with them...
it sounds all bull**** and excuses bcuz you have no clue
whatever asus has had ics since november regardless and promised and promised and anyone who thinks we are waiting on it for anything other than for asus to sell primes is only kidding themselves its all monetary period!
they are selling primes with ics and blowing off millions of longtime users that arent buying the new shiny device but its stupid because those users next purchase hangs in the balance, i know service and support and this whole ordeal will affect my next purchase, i love asus so i will purchase future products but they are pushin my buttons and the scales could one day be tipped. im hoping they dnt get too stupid cuz i do love their products.
Out of curiosity, how many examples are there of companies giving a general date, and consistently providing on said date?
trickfarrelly said:
Completely agree. All people are doing by saying "just wait, it will be ready when it's ready" is trying to censor mass user anger at ASUS for not being able to produce an operating system that they've had available to them since NOVEMBER (possibly sooner).
Anyone remember the Android Update Alliance? Updates in a reasonable time frame? How does several months after the fact sound? Is that reasonable to you?
The ONLY reason that this is taking so long is so that people will go out and get the Transformer Prime, and ASUS will keep dragging their heels until we, their customers, get pissed off enough at them and start DEMANDING that they release the update, or even a 'leaked' build, like Samsung does.
We SHOULD be getting pissed, we SHOULD be battering their facebook page demanding an update, we SHOULD have tons of threads in the forums demanding ICS from ASUS, so maybe they will realize that and say 'oh ****, maybe we should actually, you know, DO something for our customers'.
First, you've got to get mad.
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I agree. We should be demanding the source on twitter, Facebook, email everything it takes to get the source. I could care less about the rom I want the source!
My problem is that I bought my TF101 last year around June. After god knows how many updates it was finally solid and fast. No more BSOD's, no more lagging, just a nice solid fast device.
Then ICS dropped. My TF101 now acts basically just like it did back last year when I bought it. Laggy, slow, BSOD/Reboots. Very very disappointing.
So yes I did revert back to the last version of Honeycomb and now my TF is back to awesome working order.
Disappointing that ASUS let ICS out in this form. It is not usable for me given that video performance is so much lower than HC. No idea why really.
I don't know if other Tablet vendors have these types of issues but there is no way in hell I am buying another nvidia based tablet. I notice the Prime owners are about as annoyed as me overall.
Sounds exactly like my situation. I have not investigated switching back to Honeycomb but I have been told I just need use the clockwork app. However when I looked into it 2 weeks ago I got a warning saying it was not approved for my device. Is a special version needed for the TF101?
Or better yet, is there a guide out there for doing this on the TF101?
Its amazing to me how many people were *****ing at Asus for not releasing it fast enough... Saying they'd prefer Asus just release it even if its not ready for prime time yet because the xda developers could fix it. So then Asus does release ICS, with a few bugs, and of course everybody is still *****ing. There is no satisfying people anymore.... If I were Asus I'd almost feel like "why bother?"
JesterOC said:
Sounds exactly like my situation. I have not investigated switching back to Honeycomb but I have been told I just need use the clockwork app. However when I looked into it 2 weeks ago I got a warning saying it was not approved for my device. Is a special version needed for the TF101?
Or better yet, is there a guide out there for doing this on the TF101?
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If you're rooted, you can use RecoveryInstaller to install CWM recovery.
Don't use the ROM Manger to install CWM Recovery.
a.mcdear said:
Its amazing to me how many people were *****ing at Asus for not releasing it fast enough... Saying they'd prefer Asus just release it even if its not ready for prime time yet because the xda developers could fix it. So then Asus does release ICS, with a few bugs, and of course everybody is still *****ing. There is no satisfying people anymore.... If I were Asus I'd almost feel like "why bother?"
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Haha, couldn't agree more.
redrol said:
My problem is that I bought my TF101 last year around June. After god knows how many updates it was finally solid and fast. No more BSOD's, no more lagging, just a nice solid fast device.
Then ICS dropped. My TF101 now acts basically just like it did back last year when I bought it. Laggy, slow, BSOD/Reboots. Very very disappointing.
So yes I did revert back to the last version of Honeycomb and now my TF is back to awesome working order.
Disappointing that ASUS let ICS out in this form. It is not usable for me given that video performance is so much lower than HC. No idea why really.
I don't know if other Tablet vendors have these types of issues but there is no way in hell I am buying another nvidia based tablet. I notice the Prime owners are about as annoyed as me overall.
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Did you do a wipe when you updated?
JesterOC said:
Sounds exactly like my situation. I have not investigated switching back to Honeycomb but I have been told I just need use the clockwork app. However when I looked into it 2 weeks ago I got a warning saying it was not approved for my device. Is a special version needed for the TF101?
Or better yet, is there a guide out there for doing this on the TF101?
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Really? I mean; all you have to do is read the sticky threads here to know about this stuff.
Is there a guide?
I mean srsly. You make me sad.
Have you tried the latest update? (One the was released two days ago)
I wiped data after flashing the initial ICS, and now with this update, everything is golden.
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infazzdar said:
Have you tried the latest update? (One the was released two days ago)
I wiped data after flashing the initial ICS, and now with this update, everything is golden.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
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Im going to wait until overclocking is available. No point in rushing I guess.
Best link I could find for the vipermod root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1516639
Latest links I could find for Recovery Installer (I could not test these since it is behind a firewall)
Gnufabio RecoveryInstaller
http://db.tt/W0Hil4Kb
Modified version with Team Rouge recovery.
http://db.tt/NBgiApdg
I prefer that they released this version - you don't have to install it if it's problems are too much for you. For me it works much better than HC for everything I use the tablet for.
redrol said:
I don't know if other Tablet vendors have these types of issues but there is no way in hell I am buying another nvidia based tablet. I notice the Prime owners are about as annoyed as me overall.
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I can't say for sure on their tablets. But Samsung & Sprint sure took their time upgrading my galaxy epic phone!
I was shocked and amazed that Asus patched ICS so soon! A patch like this for SamSprint would have and has taken months instead of meer weeks!
Anyway, just my 2 cents
Right now ics is the bleeding edge. Asus had issues with HC also. Give them 2 or 3 ics releases to get things straightened out. And remember this experience when jelly bean drops this fall.
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a.mcdear said:
If I were Asus I'd almost feel like "why bother?"
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Because money & corporate image.
If it's that bleeding edge that it's not stable (which, let's admit it - it's NOT stable), then they should not have released it yet! These are not small or un-important bugs - I can't even keep the damn thing running for more than a day at this point!
I'm seriously considering going back to honeycomb at this point - the new ICS additions are nice, but not nice enough to give up stability...
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If it's that bleeding edge that it's not stable (which, let's admit it - it's NOT stable), then they should not have released it yet! These are not small or un-important bugs - I can't even keep the damn thing running for more than a day at this point!
I'm seriously considering going back to honeycomb at this point - the new ICS additions are nice, but not nice enough to give up stability...
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Mine is stable.
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If it's that bleeding edge that it's not stable (which, let's admit it - it's NOT stable), then they should not have released it yet! These are not small or un-important bugs - I can't even keep the damn thing running for more than a day at this point!
I'm seriously considering going back to honeycomb at this point - the new ICS additions are nice, but not nice enough to give up stability...
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I've found that it's not stable only for people who can't be bothered to learn a few things. All 15 TF's and 1 slider of ours are all solid stable with ICS.
a.mcdear said:
Its amazing to me how many people were *****ing at Asus for not releasing it fast enough... Saying they'd prefer Asus just release it even if its not ready for prime time yet because the xda developers could fix it. So then Asus does release ICS, with a few bugs, and of course everybody is still *****ing. There is no satisfying people anymore.... If I were Asus I'd almost feel like "why bother?"
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Yes I called that on day one of the ICS rollout..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22910665&postcount=16
goodintentions said:
I've found that it's not stable only for people who can't be bothered to learn a few things. All 15 TF's and 1 slider of ours are all solid stable with ICS.
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That's what I thought too - it turns out that I just wasn't looking hard enough! It turns out that my tablet WAS rebooting during the middle of the night and I just never noticed it.
At this point, I've done everything possible and the problem still happens. Nothing to do with "learning a few things". Are you even SURE that your units aren't rebooting in the middle of the night? Are you checking uptime every morning?
I've now tried everything - even stock iCS with NO EXTRA apps loaded and the problems still exists (after a FULL wipe). Believe me, I've NEVER had issues like this before - it's NOT something that I am doing wrong -believe me.
I too thought that I didn't have the problem - until I took the time to actually check the uptime every time I turn in on!
My point is that is seems that the vast majority of users are noticing these problems - so if you don't have them then you either aren't looking hard enough or you are extremely lucky - either way, you are in the minority here...
Mine is rock solid with no reboots since ICS came out for it.
jlambeth1 said:
Mine is rock solid with no reboots since ICS came out for it.
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Are you sure? How do you know it hasn't rebooted? Have you been checking the uptime every time you use it?
Again, I didn't think I had reboot issue either, until I checked my uptime once and found that it rebooted 10 mins ago and I never noticed. It never reboots while I'm using it - just when it's in standby mode...