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Awkward scrolling

Hi again all
Does anyone elase find scrolling awkward on the HD ? I find that if I am scrolling through a list of items I invariably execute the initial item rather than (or aswell as ) scroll the list.
e.g Scrolling through programms. 6 times out of 10 I will execute a prog rather than scroll the list.
Even when I'm using TouchPal to scroll between keyboards I more often invoke a key rather than perform a successful scroll. Watching all the preview videos on youtube, the scrolling looks so easy.
What am I doing wrong?

gt112 said:
Hi again all
Does anyone elase find scrolling awkward on the HD ? I find that if I am scrolling through a list of items I invariably execute the initial item rather than (or aswell as ) scroll the list.
e.g Scrolling through programms. 6 times out of 10 I will execute a prog rather than scroll the list.
Even when I'm using TouchPal to scroll between keyboards I more often invoke a key rather than perform a successful scroll. Watching all the preview videos on youtube, the scrolling looks so easy.
What am I doing wrong?
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Just don't lift your finger.

tnyynt said:
Just don't lift your finger.
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What do you mean? I have to lift my finger. Say I want to continue scrolling, I have to lift my finger up, place it back at top of screen and repeat the process.

I do find scrolling to be a bit awkward. I know my reply is sort of lame and doesn't add much to the topic but I did answer the question.

gt112 said:
What do you mean? I have to lift my finger. Say I want to continue scrolling, I have to lift my finger up, place it back at top of screen and repeat the process.
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Suggest you read the user manual on the various finger actions. See page 34 and 35.

eaglesteve said:
Suggest you read the user manual on the various finger actions. See page 34 and 35.
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Is there an online PDF user manual?
Never mind, I found one http://www.filefactory.com/file/e314ad/n/htc-touch-hd-user-manual_pdf

i had this problem initially as the screen seemed hyper sensitive at first but the more i hasve used it it seems to have settled down and i dont have this issue anymore ما شاء الله

Just a little practice, that's all.

Adobe Reader doesn't stop scrolling

I've just noticed something very strange when viewing PDF documents using Touch HD's built-in Adobe Reader LE 2.5: When zoomed into a document and scrolling horizontally by dragging with the stylus, the scrolling just doesn't stop and continues until the view hits the edge of the document! Is anybody else experiencing this?
Here's what I'm seeing in more detail: I zoom into a document (any document, textual or map-based) far enough that the document more than fills the available viewing area both vertically and horizontally. Then I tap and drag the document horizontally. At this point, after stopping dragging and until I lift the tip of the stylus, the document stops scrolling. But, as soon as I lift the tip of the stylus, the document restarts scrolling in the direction I just dragged it and just doesn't stop until it reaches the edge of the document in the scrolling direction. Trying to "catch" the document with the stylus during the scrolling in order to stop it is of no use.
I think I've also noticed that the first couple of attempts at scrolling immediately after opening a new document works fine. The problem sometimes only shows up in subsequent attempts.
This doesn't happen at all when scrolling vertically by dragging. It happens any time the dragging is "mostly" horizontal, but never when I drag "mostly" vertically.
Scrolling around using the scroll bars (by tapping the scroll bar or arrows, or dragging the scroll bar) works just fine.
Could one of you try this out and let me know if you're seeing the same thing?
Some more insights:
The size of the document doesn't seem to make any difference. Small documents or large, it happens every time.
I've played around with "non-linear" dragging. If I drag in an "L-shaped" motion, it appears that the problem only applies when the horizontal portion of the "L" is longer than its vertical portion. Dragging in circles and other jumbled motions produces mixed results.
I came across a map with "bookmarks", where a little "tab" appears near the top of the viewing area in Adobe Reader. When I click the tab, the window splits into two panes, with the top pane showing the bookmark list and the bottom showing the document. When in this mode, the problem disappears. Scrolling by dragging in either direction works perfectly. (And a little faster, oddly.) After I close the top pane, the problem returns. This is the main reason why I think this is an Adobe Reader bug, rather than a side effect of some other software or a setting change that I have on my Touch HD.
I used several other Windows Mobile devices before this one, and on all of them, the software I used for PDF documents was "Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0". (This includes even my AT&T Tilt running WM 6.1.) This "Adobe Reader LE 2.5" is new to me. I wonder if there would be any adverse effects if I tried the 2.0 reader on my Touch HD. I'm worried it might clash with the built-in reader in some bad way. In fact, I'm sure the "Pocket PC 2.0" version of the reader doesn't support VGA (and higher) resolution screens. (I used to use a utility called "Real VGA" on my only other VGA PDA on which I used the Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0 earlier, in order to get it to display documents at the right resolution.) Does anyone here have any experience related to this?
The whole issue evokes an attempt at "inertial scrolling" (not sure if that's what it's mostly called), where, if you "flick" the document with the stylus, the scrolling continues for a little while longer in the same direction after it slows down and stops. If that's what Adobe Reader is trying to do, it's certainly a failed attempt, because there's no sign of a slow down, it never stops, and this happens every time I scroll horizontally by dragging; i.e., even when I did nothing like a "flick".
Anybody have any relevant experiences?

No PDF users around??... Could I really be the only one here who views maps using the built-in Adobe Reader LE 2.5?!

Got something similar happening with PIE, not that that helps ya much!
When in desktop view, any drag continues until the screen is tapped again.

Hmmm... I don't use Pocket IE at all, but that's an interesting clue. Thanks.

I've noticed the issue with the scrolling on PDF documents that require a lot of rendering (note that "lots of rendering" reflects complexity of the document, not size).
It seems that the processor is too busy rendering the document to detect when you stopped dragging the screen (but funnily enough, not too busy to detect when you started).
The solution for me was to scroll using the scrolling bars, as opposed to just dragging the entire document. Either that, or scroll veeeryyy slowly .

milan_ns said:
I've noticed the issue with the scrolling on PDF documents that require a lot of rendering (note that "lots of rendering" reflects complexity of the document, not size).
It seems that the processor is too busy rendering the document to detect when you stopped dragging the screen (but funnily enough, not too busy to detect when you started).
The solution for me was to scroll using the scrolling bars, as opposed to just dragging the entire document. Either that, or scroll veeeryyy slowly .
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Thank you for your feedback.
I had thought of the same thing about "the CPU being too busy to detect the end of dragging" too. To experiment with that, I tried waiting for the rotating "wait cursor" to disappear before lifting the stylus from the screen after a drag. It didn't change anything.
I must also state that I see the issue even with a 190 KB (i.e., small) PDF document with nothing but text in a table in it. I don't even see any delay or a "wait cursor" at any point when I'm interacting with this document. But, when I'm zoomed into it and I drag to scroll, it causes the same "neverending pan" behavior.
The point about the scroll bars is valid. I was just trying to check first whether the experience was common, or if it might be due to something goofy that I might have done myself. I guess it's the former...

If you press on the screen and then swipe your finger while maintaining pressure and then stop at the point you like, wait for a moment and then release your finger, you will have full control over the distance scrolled.
However, if you really want to make PDF reading a positive experience, intall diamond acrobat reader le cab that enables reflow on the documents that are not even tagged. It is available on this forum.

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If you press on the screen and then swipe your finger while maintaining pressure and then stop at the point you like, wait for a moment and then release your finger, you will have full control over the distance scrolled.
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Nope. Doesn't work for horizontal scrolling. It resumes scrolling in the same direction as soon as I lift my finger and doesn't stop until hits the edge of the document, no matter how long I "wait for a moment".
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However, if you really want to make PDF reading a positive experience, intall diamond acrobat reader le cab that enables reflow on the documents that are not even tagged. It is available on this forum.
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Not a bad idea. I might give that a try. Thanks.

Staying on topic about PDFs.
Does anyone know how a good software for the HD to read PDFs?
I went through Team Ones to PocketXPDF and they all had problems.
Team Ones was the best but it didn't seem to display the whole PDF at all, cutting parts at the end and it was heaps slow.
The Adobe one is just shocking.
Want one that wraps the text to fit the screen no matter what zoom, the Team One did this very well.

Do we have any solution for this? Reader 2.5 LE, with reflow mode enabled (needs a change in the registry) is just PERFECT to read eBooks, except for the horizontal scrolling issue. Because of that, I'm reading books in vertical mode.

does any body know how to disable the touchFlow for the reflow in the adobe reader 2.5?

True. It seems Reader 2.5 LE with reflow hack appears to be the best among all. But reflow can be very bad for certain documents..
What I think would be a perfect companion for Reader 2.5 LE would be a scroll hack app..
What the app should do?
1. User inputs the % he/she zoomed the given page for comfortable viewing.
2. Support tapping the 6 spots on screen see attach.(when the reader is running).
3.Scroll accurately the document into one of the 6 positions.
One input may be sufficient for a multipage documents with same lay out.
May be some more flaws in my idea... but seems possible --- anyone??
Too bad that I don't know prog for PPC.
Any way don't fire this newbie
montag09 said:
Do we have any solution for this? Reader 2.5 LE, with reflow mode enabled (needs a change in the registry) is just PERFECT to read eBooks, except for the horizontal scrolling issue. Because of that, I'm reading books in vertical mode.
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No continual scrolling in browser and text wrapping - Gingerbread ROM

Hi guys,
I have updated my device to Gingerbread however the stock browser does not scroll all the way down. It seems to stop and then i can scroll and then stop again. Its really annoying but i cannot seem to find any setting for this. I have tried another browser and it does not do this anymore.
Also the stock browser doesnt seem to text wrap anymore.
Has anybody experienced this as well?
Anyone have any ideas as to how to fix this?
Thanks,
-c

It's a known Bug in Samsungs Gingerbread Roms

I'm running JVO, downloaded directly from Samsung servers.
I have a complex page with several panes and 20 pictures opened on the browser. If I swipe the finger slowly up, it scrolls almost to the end, if I do it faster, it scrolls to the bottom of the page.
To have the text wrap and fit the screen width you have to activate that option on settings, by default it's inactive.
Zooming on the browser also works fine, I don't see what other people are complaining about on other threads.

its not a bug, the stock browser dose it it self,on the gingerbread roms the stock browser is morelike a IOS its dos not scroll all the way down, it scrolls 2-3 pages at one time!!! search before u make a new thread!
and about the text wraping, look into you settings.

suua said:
its not a bug, the stock browser dose it it self,on the gingerbread roms the stock browser is morelike a IOS its dos not scroll all the way down, it scrolls 2-3 pages at one time!!! search before u make a new thread!
and about the text wraping, look into you settings.
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why would you want to scroll 2-3 pages ??
if it was a feature, there would be a setting to disable it...

I have JVO as well but mine doesnt browse smoothly across the whole page.
vcespon I don't understand why yours is not doing this as well
I have 2.3.3, i9000xxjvo

Same problem here pretty annoying!

Inaccurate digitizer or software (scrolling issues)

Just got my n7 and immediately noticed that when I try to scroll quickly up and down a web page for instance, sometimes it would 'catch' my finger and stop scrolling as I'm flicking up/down.
Can someone try this test with your n7 and let me know if you're experiencing the same thing?
Go to news.google.com in landscape mode and then scroll all the way to the bottom and then back up by flicking your fingers quickly up/down the screen. Does it sometimes just stop scrolling as if the digitizer thought your swipe was actually just a click? This makes scrolling a pain especially on long pages.
Thanks!

grukko said:
Just got my n7 and immediately noticed that when I try to scroll quickly up and down a web page for instance, sometimes it would 'catch' my finger and stop scrolling as I'm flicking up/down.
Can someone try this test with your n7 and let me know if you're experiencing the same thing?
Go to news.google.com in landscape mode and then scroll all the way to the bottom and then back up by flicking your fingers quickly up/down the screen. Does it sometimes just stop scrolling as if the digitizer thought your swipe was actually just a click? This makes scrolling a pain especially on long pages.
Thanks!
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Yep, I have that. Mine is great on first boot, but then after <X> - stress? Heat? Time? I dunno. - it starts to miss finger taps and loses fingers during swipes.
I think it's heat related (for me), as I just ran Quadrant, and it happened towards the end of the process.
Here is it working:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x7XnMNJIls&feature=plcp
And here is after a few minutes of Angry Birds / Cut The Rope (not even a Prime95 scenario!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZPDzKhQzSU&feature=context-cha

Where are the Zoom button images located? And Naked Browser Talk

Hey all, I like using the phone one handed and zoom buttons are essential. I also like being able to zoom with just a tap, as opposed to more convoluted methods (xScope/Naked Browser, I'm looking at you...). But the stock Android zoom buttons are ugly and less functional than the ones I had way back when on 2.2 (Bionix for the Samsung Vibrant).
Could anyone tell me where in could find the images for the Zoom buttons? I'd like to replace them with the ones from an older ROM, mentioned above. Think it would be somewhere in the SystemUI.apk?
If anyone is curious, the buttons I would prefer are transparent circles with a black outline. They're a good bit easier to press and you can see elements that would otherwise be obscured.

I'm the developer of Naked Browser. Naked Browser has the option to enable/disable the zoom buttons. It also has the option to enable/disable one-finger zoom. It also allows zoom with just a double-tap. Am I missing something?

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I'm the developer of Naked Browser. Naked Browser has the option to enable/disable the zoom buttons. It also has the option to enable/disable one-finger zoom. It also allows zoom with just a double-tap. Am I missing something?
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Oh snap. No, it's just that one-finger drag zoom has poor performance (just isn't as smooth as it is on xScope). But I love your browser. It's why I mentioned it specifically. My niggle isn't to do specifically with Naked Browser or any other app, it's a system conflict. I think the stock zoom buttons are ugly and I want to swap them out with the zoom buttons I used on a different browser. It's easier to tap a round circle than it is to hit a little tic-tac. Also, the zoom buttons sometimes obscure elements in the bottom right and I have to wait until they fade out, so the transparent zoom circle buttons I mentioned in the first post would solve both of these issues. Rather than having you bloat up your fantastically minimal app, I'd prefer to do my own tinkering and fix the zoom buttons across my system.
I just wanted to say, your browser is fantastic. I found out about it just randomly perusing the big Android Themes and Apps forum and gave it a try. It's my default browser now. While I have your attention, if I could make a suggestion: you know how you have the swipe-from-edge toggle so the menu bars don't appear with unexpected frequency? It works great for making sure the bookmarks bar only opens with deliberate swipes. However, if you could provide a separate toggle for the address and tab bar, that'd be great. I never had a problem with the top bars appearing unintentionally. It's not much of a nuisance. However, in one-handed use, I have to reposition the phone in my hand and then swipe from the top to bring down that bar. On a big phone like the Nexus 4, you can understand how that extra little bit of effort adds up over a long browsing session.

Very cool. Thank you very much.
Let me address what you brought up:
One finger zoom in Naked Browser isn't as smooth as it is on xScope because:
- xScope is for newer devices. Naked Browser supports Froyo and newer and so far I've found that that kind of zooming isn't easy on older devices. That's really not much of an excuse because I could work on it. However, it could take days to figure out. I'm focusing on other features and bug fixes right now. Furthermore,
- I haven't used xScope in a long time but one finger zoom seems to work good enough in Naked Browser (no?). For comparison, it seems to work like crap in Google Maps, last I checked.
Regarding changing the zoom button pix, I use a smaller screen than you so I don't like the +/- buttons in a browser. I pinch zoom and I do it with one hand: small phone / big hands. Regardless, I'm adding your request to my list of items for the pro version.
Regarding adding the separate option for the menu gestures, I added those options (double swipe & swipe from edge) as afterthoughts. I feel that an experienced user of Naked Browser should turn both of these off because they've developed a feel for the menus, knowing instinctively how to avoid opening the bookmarks sidebar and top menu. For me it took about a week to get comfortable with it. Now, I think it is very efficient.
That being said, I may have messed up the gesture settings for larger screens as I don't have a tablet. What do you think about all this? Is it very hard to avoid opening the bookmarks menu? Tell me more about it, please.
Anyway, I hope you have luck changing the +/- on your devices and I do appreciate your feedback on Naked Browser. You're one of the few people I've seen mention stuff like this. Got my attention!
This is hijacking your thread for my app, so if you want to PM me or join me in the xda naked browser thread the feel free.
Thanks again, man. :good:

Hey, you've got a great app and I certainly don't mind helping it get more exposure. I know it's not a priority for you right now, but if it gets really popular, I'm sure you'll add a ton of lightweight features. That's how xScope became the best browser on Gingerbread!
On my Nexus 4, I've found that the bookmarks menu shows up by accident much more often than the URL/tab bar, and it's much more obtrusive when it does. It'd be nice to disable the bookmarks bar. I actually use the bookmarks menu a ton, so perhaps a better option would be to incorporate the menu button menu with the the bookmarks menu.
Also, I'm not sure if my options are causing it or its an inherent behavior, but it's inconvenient to have to scroll all the way to the top to bring up the URL/tab bar. I really wouldn't mind if it appeared every time I made any downward swipe. Maybe to accommodate other users, make the top half or quarter of the screen a zone that can pull up the URL/tab bar when the user swipes down from that region.
I basically want the navigation features of xScope but with the minimal, clean appearance of Naked Browser. I stopped using xScope because it's so bloated and unstable now. Naked Browser is 90% perfect for me. The 10% is just the menu behavior and tab navigation. xScope, for example, uses double tap and left/right to navigate between adjacent tabs while double tap and up/down to zoom. But if this decreases performance as it did on xScope, I'm happy with Naked Browser the way it is.

Maybe I need to optimize the swipe sensitivity for devices like the Nexus 4. I need to check one out, but for now the next update will reduce sensitivity somewhat. Regarding the separate gesture options, I had thought about adding them but I was resistant because I don't want to clutter the options view. However, I think it is the right thing to have and you've convinced me of how sorely it is needed. The next update will have them! I've tried it out and I like it.
If you press the device menu key it should show the top menu from anywhere on the page. Devices without a menu key should have 3 dots in a row that act as the menu key. Making it appear for every downward swipe is an interesting idea. I think that this would be more suited for larger screens though. I will make a note of this idea. There already is an option to start gestures from the screen edge for both URL bar and sidebar.
I haven't used xScope in years and it doesn't run on any of my devices. I think that if you give Naked Browser some time (about a week) you'll start to become accustomed to the menus. If you can get past the frustrating phase I think that you may find that the menus are very efficient. Of course, if the gesture sensitivity is wrong for your device then that's a different story. I really need to check this out.
Double-tap and swipe to change tabs shouldn't cause much of a performance problem (although I'd have to try it out to know for sure). I was going to allow customizations of this sort of thing in the pro version. For example, double tap and swipe to go quickly to the very top or bottom of the web page. The volume buttons could be used in the same way.
Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it!

I figured out where the zoom buttons are. They're in framework-res.apk/res/drawable-xhdpi.