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[DUAL-BOOT] Android

First off I apologize if this thread may turn out to be inappropriate for this section of the forum.
I know this isn't really Nexus One specific, but it is Android Development related.
I'm having a somewhat slow day today and was doing some reading about the N900 when I happed across an interesting blog about a dev who managed to get his N900 to dual boot Maemo and Android.
http://blog.broberts.com/nokia-n900-with-maemo-and-android-yes-please
Apparently, it appears to be at the stage where it's just a proof of concept, but I have to admit that this is awesome to say the least. Anyway, I just thought I'd mention it here, where cyanogen, modaco and the rest of xda's talented dev's might happen to read it, in hopes that it might spark additional developer interest.

why nexus one and others phone need multiboot?
like as winmo+android android+maemo
next thread say maemo ported to android

W3ber said:
why nexus one and others phone need multiboot?
like as winmo+android android+maemo
next thread say maemo ported to android
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I'm not sure if you misread my post. But this isn't about getting the Nexus one to dual Maemo and android, but to get android running on the N900. Not that Maemo isn't a great OS, I mean the N900 is a basically a fully operational computer/tablet, but the choice of apps on it is still limited. Regardless, the fact that it has flash and the fact that you can run practically anything from the browser does make up for it to some degree. Still, the N900 isn't really a consumer friendly device that others assumed it was going therefore getting android ported to the N900 hardware would be really sweet.

I don't think full on Maemo is open sourced but the parts that are I believe are released under a project called Mer. Since we've figured out how to boot debian. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to boot Mer.

Is it Maemo or MeeGo? Or are they both completely different projects?
So dual-boot is possible? I must of missed this stuff.. Would be cool to boot to a different OS

Does any one disagree with maemo being a more power os? I don't know why alot of people are not all over this.

I don't know muc about maemo, would definately like to dual boot with Debian or Ubuntu, though what those guys are doing in that debian thread is far beyond my capabilities.

stewart1988 said:
Is it Maemo or MeeGo? Or are they both completely different projects?
So dual-boot is possible? I must of missed this stuff.. Would be cool to boot to a different OS
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MeeGo is a new OS that Intel and Nokia are developing.
Maemo has been around for years already, Nokia is behind it, it's open source and a bunch of communities/companies contribute to it, including Mozilla. It

Future of HD2 Android?

I was wondering once Android on the hd2 is stable, will it be possible to flash a ROM like we do with wm or will be stuck using haret or the dualboot thing? Or is it too soon to even forecast?

As I understand atm its just running ontop of windows you dont flash android yet, but i guess they will try and get it to work as a rom eventually after they have all the driver issues sorted out and the little niggles there is but don't hold you're breathe for now mate, I wouldn't even like to say if its possible to have it as a main rom,

I believe the devs plan to have android boot from nand. Whether or not they will be successful remains to be seen. I have faith that we will have a good solution in time.

Ok cool to know! I've been running sense all day and im hooked!

Demon_man said:
As I understand atm its just running ontop of windows you dont flash android yet, but i guess they will try and get it to work as a rom eventually after they have all the driver issues sorted out and the little niggles there is but don't hold you're breathe for now mate, I wouldn't even like to say if its possible to have it as a main rom,
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It is not running on top of winmo... haret.exe shuts down the windows kernel and launches the linux kernel. Right now, they need winmo to boot first because winmo initializes a lot of the hardware. Eventually, once they have drivers that can initialize everything on its own, they can boot android from nand, but that will probably take a while. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices out of over a dozen that have android ports have android roms that can be flashed, and thats after years of development.
Personally, I prefer to keep winmo and have the ability to boot android or other linux builds when i want to. I prefer winmo, but also love android and love the fact that i can run both on my phone. Also, booting from nand doesn't really improve performance on any of the other android ports. If I wanted android full-time, I'd get an android phone... and I know some people are going to say there is no android phone with the screen or specs available for their carrier... but I can almost guarantee that by the time we have a flashable rom, there will be plenty of android phones with equal or better specs and screen for your carrier or country. I just don't see the reason to flash and get rid of winmo when you could have the best of both worlds. I guess maybe I'm just a winmo fan, but I don't know why you would have an HD2 if you weren't. Why make your phone just another android phone when you could have a dual-booting power-phone that can run both android and winmo apps. There's no playstation emulator for android!

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It is not running on top of winmo... haret.exe shuts down the windows kernel and launches the linux kernel. Right now, they need winmo to boot first because winmo initializes a lot of the hardware. Eventually, once they have drivers that can initialize everything on its own, they can boot android from nand, but that will probably take a while. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices out of over a dozen that have android ports have android roms that can be flashed, and thats after years of development.
Personally, I prefer to keep winmo and have the ability to boot android or other linux builds when i want to. I prefer winmo, but also love android and love the fact that i can run both on my phone. Also, booting from nand doesn't really improve performance on any of the other android ports. If I wanted android full-time, I'd get an android phone... and I know some people are going to say there is no android phone with the screen or specs available for their carrier... but I can almost guarantee that by the time we have a flashable rom, there will be plenty of android phones with equal or better specs and screen for your carrier or country. I just don't see the reason to flash and get rid of winmo when you could have the best of both worlds. I guess maybe I'm just a winmo fan, but I don't know why you would have an HD2 if you weren't. Why make your phone just another android phone when you could have a dual-booting power-phone that can run both android and winmo apps. There's no playstation emulator for android!
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Well put, I dont think droid is worth no psx games! I understand why people want a nand build though!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732160
Check out this thread for development.

Personally i prefer this dual boot system.It is simply the best.The advantages are very big for me.There things i like in winmo and dont want to lose. A 2 in 1 device is simply the best combination

Hi guys , has anyone tried to create Android rom for HD2
using Supersonic's ( Evo 4G ) Rom ?
I mean :
- take some parts of Ssonic rom to compare this with existing "pre"Android Rom
for HD2
Some parts should be similar so..... anyone tried ???
Don't tell me about differences hd2->SSonic because i know this.
Answer please.

It would be great if we could have something like grub, with both WinMo and Android installed, and enabling us to select which to boot right after turning the phone on! But I don't see this coming

yeah its too early to know. Imagine having an Android ROM on it that isn't fully compatible and then you get an error that won't let you hard reset or boot to the flash screen. Youd brick your phone! I think it will happen but not for maybe another year and by then I'm sure more high spec phones will be out.

How about somebody figures out how to run a barebones WM and Android on internal memory? Then it would have SD hotswap. I don't know if that is even possible though (probably not).

I've thought about this. with internal memory, I believe it is more stable and speedy than SDcard.

My hd 2 android and my evo
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zarathustrax said:
It is not running on top of winmo... haret.exe shuts down the windows kernel and launches the linux kernel. Right now, they need winmo to boot first because winmo initializes a lot of the hardware. Eventually, once they have drivers that can initialize everything on its own, they can boot android from nand, but that will probably take a while. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices out of over a dozen that have android ports have android roms that can be flashed, and thats after years of development.
Personally, I prefer to keep winmo and have the ability to boot android or other linux builds when i want to. I prefer winmo, but also love android and love the fact that i can run both on my phone. Also, booting from nand doesn't really improve performance on any of the other android ports. If I wanted android full-time, I'd get an android phone... and I know some people are going to say there is no android phone with the screen or specs available for their carrier... but I can almost guarantee that by the time we have a flashable rom, there will be plenty of android phones with equal or better specs and screen for your carrier or country. I just don't see the reason to flash and get rid of winmo when you could have the best of both worlds. I guess maybe I'm just a winmo fan, but I don't know why you would have an HD2 if you weren't. Why make your phone just another android phone when you could have a dual-booting power-phone that can run both android and winmo apps. There's no playstation emulator for android!
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I too prefer the ability boot both WM and Android rather than booting Android exclusively. After using the desire rom for the past couple of days, call me crazy, but it really feels like sense on Windows Mobile with cookies home tab is more streamlined and accessible. Don't get me wrong, I prefer Android over Windows Mobile at the end of the day, but the aging WM OS still has a lot of perks.
What I'd rather see is a solution that allows you to truly dual boot WM and Android, and making jumping in and out of one for the other relatively quick and easy.

DeadVirus said:
It would be great if we could have something like grub, with both WinMo and Android installed, and enabling us to select which to boot right after turning the phone on! But I don't see this coming
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I don't see how this is all that different than any of the several apps the devs here have created to let you choose after booting whether you want to boot Android (even the build of your choice) or WinMo... I'm running it now and that app works rather flawlessly.

i just cant wait to ahve a nand android on hd2,,, its soo awesome,,,
i have installed the latest 1.7 of froyo..on hd2 qnd it rocks,...only if it were possible to ake it permaert.
now what i wan tis atleat some news from the developers side to show ,, they are still int he works of developing android nand.... no news is such bad news ....

WP7 on Galaxy S

Now that the Galaxy S has been rooted, is it possible to load a WP7 ROM on this device wen WP7 is released?????
As it is announced, Samsung is one of the manufacturers of WP7 phone.

why buying an android phone to install windows mobile ? you've better buy a htc hd2 ...

Even if it possible, will never go there!

Android all the way

you can always do a Dual Boot using Gen.Y DualBOOT i'm doing that on my Athena to get Android working on it.
so the opposite can be done as well, keep Android as the default OS, and instal WM7 to play around on the SD card

The Galaxy actually fulfills one of the requirements regarding WP7
Since WP7 only supports 3 buttons on the interface itself, and thats what the SGS has
So it should be "possible"
-TB-

almand3000 said:
Now that the Galaxy S has been rooted, is it possible to load a WP7 ROM on this device wen WP7 is released?????
As it is announced, Samsung is one of the manufacturers of WP7 phone.
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no, the chances of that are pretty much zero, porting wp7 to the galaxy s would be extremely hard.
AllGamer said:
you can always do a Dual Boot using Gen.Y DualBOOT i'm doing that on my Athena to get Android working on it.
so the opposite can be done as well, keep Android as the default OS, and instal WM7 to play around on the SD card
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gen.Y DualBOOT is a program for windows phones and won't run on any android phone, and the reason we can port android to windows mobile so easily is because android is a open source OS, windows mobile is closed which makes it pretty much impossible to port
terrorblind said:
The Galaxy actually fulfills one of the requirements regarding WP7
Since WP7 only supports 3 buttons on the interface itself, and thats what the SGS has
So it should be "possible"
-TB-
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Simply meting the requirements won't make this any easier, to be able to run windows 7 on our phones we would need drivers, simple as that, and developing drivers for a closed OS is pretty much impossible

dual booting

is it possible to dual boot the nexus s?
its currently on 2.3.3 and i'm wanting to be able to boot it into windows 7 if its possible?
i'm a newbie to all this so thats why i'm asking

Dual booting might in theory be possible but has not been done.
Installing windows 7 is absolutely impossible. It needs too much hard drive space and doesn't work on the chipset architecture of the Nexus S.
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lol. windows on an android?
eh
no thanks.
you might want to look into an option like.
pc on remote.
or something.
dualbooting 2 difrent rom's on the other hand seems really intresting.though would be a mess with my kernel.

Dual booting different ROMs has been done on other phones, would love to see this on the NS.
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yes, my friend has the htc hd2 and has gingerbread running but can then powerdown the phone and boot into windows 7 system so he can play on xbox live.
Just wanted to know as to whether to experiment with both OS's.
works fine running both of them and he hasn,t had any problems yet.
takes few mins to boot up into win 7 but it's pretty fab.

booflegem said:
yes, my friend has the htc hd2 and has gingerbread running but can then powerdown the phone and boot into windows 7 system so he can play on xbox live.
Just wanted to know as to whether to experiment with both OS's.
works fine running both of them and he hasn,t had any problems yet.
takes few mins to boot up into win 7 but it's pretty fab.
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Well, that's obviously WP7, not Windows 7.
HD2 comes with WP7 as stock OS, but developers has ported Android to the phone. As I said earlier, dual booting has been done on other phones, in thos case HD2.
WP7 will most likely not see a port to the NS, with the simple reason that Android is superior, and the effort of porting a mediocre OS just isn't worth it.
We might see dual booting though, if we're fortunate enough to have a dev willing to do it for us.
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How about dual booting ubuntu?

Sailfish OS on hd2

As Sailfish OS is much like meego, could it be ported to HD2?

UrbanDrawer said:
As Sailfish OS is much like meego, could it be ported to HD2?
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Anything is possible with the HD2 but since the development on meego is pretty dead it's not easy since there are no devs in this section. It would be nice to see it on the HD2 as it is a really cool os.

Suhaib10 said:
Anything is possible with the HD2 but since the development on meego is pretty dead it's not easy since there are no devs in this section. It would be nice to see it on the HD2 as it is a really cool os.
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well the development is far from dead. You should check out everythingn9.com they of course are constantly at work with the meego pr 1.3 amd have a full working port of jelly bean 4.1 dual boot, as well as access to the android app store (limited right now). They are working on booting harm pr 1.3 to android devices now, and sailfish SDK is not only already avail, but since the code is similar to linux (which is andriod, meego, webos etc) a port to those current type of OS's is not a problem. To something of a windows device it is possible, but you would have to pull one of these developers away to have them work on that kind of port. Which to me right now would be on the back burning, since they are most likely working on the full port to the N9, N950, and or a high end android device like a S3 or nexus 4.