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[Video] Best playback on Xperia

I think it's about time for us to clear a few things up concerning video playback on the X1.
The X1 can play most codecs using Coreplayer Mobile.
However, to optimize video's for the X1 and windows media player, a converter such as SUPER can be used.
Please note that optimizing your X1 is advised. See this thread for more information.
Now what I would like to find out is what settings work best for the X1 to playback video with a few different preset configurations.
What we need to know is the optimal:
Resolution
Framerate
Video Codec
Video Bitrate
Audio Codec
Audio Bitrate
Audio Sampling Frequency
Container
And any other/better tools to use.
To be able to better compare results I've uploaded the Crysis Warhead HD Trailer. You can download it here.
Please use this trailer to compare and post your settings in this thread.
This thread will be updated with new information as it arises. The second post contains an example of settings I used and will be updated with user posted settings that work well.
--- Important information ---
* CorePlayer is not hardware accelerated. This means that CorePlayer is more likely to play your video's choppy. The built-in media player, however, does have hardware acceleration. To get the best video performance, at this moment the built-in media player is your best choice.
* The h.264 codec is supported by the built-in media player and currently has the best compression vs quality ratio.
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Coreplayer Mobile
SUPER

--- Source file ---
Setting: HD Quality - 63.4MB @ 0hrs, 1min, 32sec.
Resolution: 1280 x 720
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: WMV9
Video Bitrate: 6090 kb/s
Audio Codec: WMA9
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: WMV
Download example here: Source file
--- Settings --- Here the optimal settings will be provided as they become available.
Configuration: Low Quality - 4.7MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 280MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 400x240
Framerate: 25
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 192 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 22050
Audio Bitrate:: 64 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Low Quality
Configuration: Medium Quality - 5.9MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 350MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 400x240
Framerate: 25
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 384 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Medium Quality
Configuration: High Quality - 10.4MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 620MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 608x368
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 768
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: High Quality
Configuration: Highest Quality - 16.8MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 1000MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 800x480
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 1294 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 128 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Highest Quality
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When posting settings, supply the same information as I do here.

Good you have come up with this.. once we all share I think we can reach to as what best converter settings we can use for X1... After reading lot of material... I use these settings which gives me full screen decent/smooth run movies.. had no problems at all... but don't know if they are the best settings... check it out :
Xvid MPEG-4 Codec, 569 Target bitrate, 23.976 fps, Screen Size 640x384, Sound Mp3 128 to 160 kbit/s. Encoder used : TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress. ( The best converter with total cut/edit features )
Let me know the results.

Nero Recode 3
AVC in MP4, 400x240, ~400kbps
HE-AAC, ~80kbps,
Runs excellent in the Mediapanel and did quite good (but worse) in the Coreplayer 1.2.5, when I still had it installed. Switched to the Panel completely for playing back my mp4 rips.
Uh, theres a template. Well then, again:
Resolution 400x240
Codec AVC/h.264
Framerate 25 or as source if lower
Video Bitrate ~400kbps
Audio Sampling as source
Audio Bitrate HE-AAC, ~80kbps

I have tried so many diff combination but still haven't found one optimal to use with the x1. This thread will be great for me to do more testing. I usually super or aimersoft. Please chime in if you use those above software to encode video.

I'm at work right now so can't be 100% sure, but as I remember (it's discussed in threads in the main SE X1 forum section) for the highest quality you can get on x1, encode the files for Baseline 1.3 h264, 800x450 max resolution, 30fps, and play them on wm media player or the media panel.
Videos will not run well at anything near that resolution on core player or tcpmp, they don't use the hardware acceleration that's available to media player and the media panel, although tcpmp and coreplayer will handle many more codecs.

Thanks for the additions people, I've uploaded a better video file to test with. It's HD by default so you can actually see the difference between high quality encoded and low/medium.
For those who post configurations, please (please!) stick to the template, I will try and reproduce the settings so I can judge them and add them to the topic.
I would like more information on the hardware acceleration topic as well;
1) Why isn't coreplayer hardware accelerated?
2) Can it be changed so it is?
3) Are there any other/better video players out there?

Because the driver specifications are not available and the hardware cant be accessed by third party programmers
CorePlayer team said in their forum they got hold of Qualcomm and are working to provide hardware acceleration for any MSM7xxx chipset having the graphics hardware in one of the next builds of the player
Better regarding what aspect?

Thanks for your reply. I'd like to see what CorePlayer can do if they manage to get the hardware acceleration working.
Better regarding smooth playback and codec support. Perhaps there's a way to add codecs to the Winmo media player?
EDIT: Updated with new configurations, all based on h.264 (for best compression/quality ratio)
EDIT2: Added another setting, tested for quality and uploaded all examples for your viewing pleasure.
EDIT3: Tested the movies on my X1. From low to high the quality is visibly better every time, so that's a good thing. On the highest quality setting proposed above, the graphics were stunning, however, it ran choppy, it looked like my X1 couldn't keep up with that high bitrate & resolution. I'd like more opinions, who else will test them!? (Tested with windows mobile media player).

Who can help me test the highest settings?

Angelusz said:
EDIT3: Tested the movies on my X1. From low to high the quality is visibly better every time, so that's a good thing. On the highest quality setting proposed above, the graphics were stunning, however, it ran choppy, it looked like my X1 couldn't keep up with that high bitrate & resolution. I'd like more opinions, who else will test them!? (Tested with windows mobile media player).
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Look at my post (#31) here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460294&page=4
especially this:
Jabe said:
2.) this one is the important one. Do not change screen resolution. Original file was 624x352 and when I set it to 800x like you suggested the playback was somewhat jerky when people were moving. So I set it to "no cnahge" and gained 2 things:
- output quality was far superior (i don't know about that if you choose smaller resolution, like converting HD to 800x)
- the conversion is much faster. before it took 1h10min, now it takes 45min. in other words, encoding speed went from 0.7x to 1.0x.
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I think we are talking about the same thing. I've noticed that increasing resolution does cause some problems. I use Media Panel for playing my videos.

I do use the Mediapanel as well, it might be imagination but I found it to be the best player regarding playback performance.
Upscaling a smaller source file in image size will worsen the quality massively. Think about how a codec works: upscaling means making the image look "soft" or "washed out". These soft or washed out images are then used by the codec to predict differencies and/or movements between the frames and then this data is used to render the subsequent frames. Since the whole image (being washed out) figuratively looks "all the same" (its just a soup of different unspecific colours) the codec has hardcore problems predicting movements between the single frames. Thus the prediction is bad, based on an already bad image, multiplies the bad effect onto every subsequent frame.

Display Driver Assist - Does it improve video ?
This is an interesting thread, please let me add my experience of converting and watching video on my Xperia.
Firstly this program DVD Catalyst won the top award for converting DVD to almost any format to any resolution, any bitrate.
Here is the URL : http://www.pocketdvd.ca/products/dvd catalyst 3.html
Here is the URL for SmartPhone Awards list for all the best in catagory software for video coversion for Pocket PC 2008.
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/awards/2008/winners_ppc_apps#CatDVD_Converters
If you download the trial of DVD Catalyst you can have 15 days of free fully functional DVD conversions, thats enough to convert almost anybodies collection. I do intend to buy this when I get round to it.
I experimineted with different formats and resolutions and here were my conclusions.
Format - Sony Media Panel seems to like the 3gp format best ( subjective )
Resolution - I use the maximum 800 X 480
Bitrate - 750 kbps though 500 is still very good.
Audio 128 kbps Stereo
All these options can easily be changed in the converter, you can set your PC Processor prioirty to high ( recommended) or highest if you not doing anything else and a complete 2 hour DVD, with high prioirty for processor will be converted and ready for copying to your X1 in about 35 - 40 mins.
Also I found my Xperia settings had an impact on video playback quality, none more so than Glyph cache, which I now have at 128kb.
I am currently experimenting with the " Display driver preloader " you can find on the thread by ell82...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462346
In it he uses this file, libgles_cl.dll, copied into the windows directory, to add hardware acceleration to some 3D games. This as close as we have come so far in adding hardware acceleration across the board to all programs on the X1, obviously this needs some testing and benchmarking, something this thread is very good at.
This file does not replace any windows files, you can add it to WINDOWS folder and remove it at will, it doesn't hurt, over right or harm anything.
Im using it on and off, id like to see some hard data on it, it may not be the magic bullet we have all been waiting for, but it could be a move in the right direction.
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Mark A Cilenti said:
Format - Sony Media Panel seems to like the 3gp format best ( subjective )
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3GP is not a format, its only a container. The content, video wise, is either SP, ASP or AVC video (mostly, accepts a wide range of codecs though) and audio is AMR or AAC. In fact you don't follow the standard at all, your files are NOT 3GP COMPILANT. Since 3GP is just a simplified version of the MP4 container anyway, of which the latter is more versatile regarding possible content and resolution restrictions, I would definitely abandon 3GP and go for MP4. Of course with AVC video and a flavor of AAC audio.

Maybe noob question (I haven't got an sdhcmicro card so cannot test myself):
On my hx2790 tcpmp (ver 0.72, last version) always worked a treat on default 700-1500mb divx and xvids. You loaded lots of movies on a 8gb card and opened them with tcpmp. Some movies required AC3 sound and there was a plug in for that too. The movies played back 100% flawlessly.
Can we not just do this in the X1?

gold333 said:
Can we not just do this in the X1?
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no, not yet.

700mb dvd rips run fine in coreplayer, but for fast scenes it lags like hell

Here's what I do:
Open PocketDivXEncoder
Select the 'HD TV' option
Resize to 400xABC (maintain aspect ratio)
Video quality = 70
Audio = max
Coreplayer runs it flawlessly and looks great, even fast scenes.
Watched the first season of both Burn Notice and Merlin with no issues in action packed scenes

totally agreed with coreplayer ! really better than movie player in the XMB Panel !!!! you can find my thread here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3093597#post3093597
Don't know why it is so slow with the XMB Panel & so better in core player !
Core Player : reverserd enginered the chipset.... really difficult thing & to be really/fully optimized but it works better than the std XMB movie player !!!! (written by who ? sony developers or htc ? or together ?, they should buy corecodec ! )

dadeadman said:
700mb dvd rips run fine in coreplayer, but for fast scenes it lags like hell
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But tcpmp 0.72 doesn't? Tcpmp was the ultimate micro footprint everything player for mobile devices.

Best Android Video Player?

I'm new to this forum, so sorry if this has been asked loads of times before.
The HTC Desire cannot play most video files out of the box. What's considered the best android video player, with the most codec support?
I've managed to get two Quicktime MOVs to work but without sound (the rest don't, one is a 720p Robin Hood trailer, that looks amazing). The following don't work at all:
* AVI - Some DivX, some unknown
* FLV - Off You Tube
* RM - RealPlayer
* M4V
* MPG - MPEG1
The following work fine:
* 3GP
* WMV
* MP4
I particularly need a player that can handle DivX/Xvid and Quicktime MOV.
The best I can find is yxFlash. This supports:
# Supports mpg, avi, mp4, flv, mkv and wmv/asf files
# Mpeg1/2/4, H264 BP, Divx/Xvid, FLV1 and WMV7/8/9
# Mp3, AAC, WMA, AC3 and PCM
# Network Streaming (http, ftp, mms ...)
# Armv7 Neon Accelaration and Up to 720p DivX Playback for Cortex-A8 Based Devices.
Not Quicktime though (maybe some will work that are MPEG4). The free version only lets you play videos for 2 minutes long. It costs $9.90 (pricey!).
I'd rather find a free or cheaper alternative before shelling out nearly 10 dollars.
Thanks

I think there is nothing right now apart from yxflash which does AVI etc.
Its crap though this is what i think. Big down side of android is a good video player.
There is coreplayer being develop for android but it could be an other few years before we see it.

hassan said:
I think there is nothing right now apart from yxflash which does AVI etc.
Its crap though this is what i think. Big down side of android is a good video player.
There is coreplayer being develop for android but it could be an other few years before we see it.
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how come? TCPMP has been out on WM for years and runs on harcware that is years old

hassan said:
I think there is nothing right now apart from yxflash which does AVI etc.
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I'm really surprised that's the case but looking too and I cannot find much either. It's crazy. The HTC Desire has a wonder resolution. I read HTC plan to include DivX support in a future Desire firmware though.
I've just downloaded the English Wuzhenhua Player 4.1 from this forum. Maybe that's better.
hassan said:
There is coreplayer being develop for android but it could be an other few years before we see it.
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Years! . They're losing money. Windows Mobile is on the way out. Thanks.

I've found yxflash to be pretty good.
It won't play any of my FLV files (contrary to what the site says) but it plays everything else nice enough. Sadly there is a noticeable lag at times though . Oddly despite the Market Place listing claiming "only 2 minutes of playback", I've had a video playing for over 3 minutes now, without problem.
Wuzhenhua on the other hand needs a lot of work. Sure it plays the FLV files (just about!). That's about the only good thing I can say about it. It crashes more than it doesn't. Thanks to the guy who translated it into English though.
The best video player is the one HTC ship with the Desire but it only plays .3GP, .WMV and .MP4. I guess the best solution right now is to transcode to .MP4 until HTC get around to releasing their firmware so the Desire can play DivX.

I find Act1 Video player to be the best so far.
Plays without hiccups 99% of the time

dougsdir said:
how come? TCPMP has been out on WM for years and runs on harcware that is years old
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Yes WM is a different platform, As i've heard from betaboy that Android NDK is still not very good for coreplayer and until google will come out with good NDK there wont be coreplayer for Android.
Also coreplayer team is bit slow too as they were talking about new version of coreplayers for at least two years now.
Only Samsung Galaxy S is going to cover lot of codec in MKV.
Its a big downside of Desire as it cant play DIVX, XVID etc natively.

defectivereject said:
I find Act1 Video player to be the best so far.
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I've just installed that thanks. That is a nice player. It only looks to support the formats that are native to the phone though. So in my case .3GP, .WMV, .MP4.
Meaning it's not much different to the native HTC one really. I do like it can resume from where you left off though. yxflash has a neat feature whereby for .3GP, .WMV, .MP4 it defaults to the HTC Player for these formats and uses it's own interface for other formats. I like that as it's better.
hassan said:
Its a big downside of Desire as it cant play DIVX, XVID etc natively.
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DivX at least is coming:
http://www.htcphones.net/htc-desire-support-for-divx-confirmed/
The native HTC Video Player was able to play a Robin Hood (2010) 720p Quicktime trailer of mine. It looked amazing and played fine, no sound though. It was more luck than anything else it played.

rename them..
For your .m4v you can just change the extention to .mp4, and the desire movie player will play them back just fine.
It's not "out of the box" playback, but it doesn't take you long to rename them and the files doesn't change (like if you converted them to another format).
I did it with a couple of files when i threw a movie folder onto the sd card using astro. Not much hassle.
m4v's are just apple re-branded mp4's.
http://all-streaming-media.com/streaming-media-faq/faq-mp4-streaming.htm
regards
-e

Eddiemc said:
For your .m4v you can just change the extention to .mp4, and the desire movie player will play them back just fine.
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I noticed that after posting thanks. It turns out (using GSpot) they're MP4 files anyway. I'm pretty sure M4V and MP4 are the same thing anyway.
Eddiemc said:
m4v's are just apple re-branded mp4's.
http://all-streaming-media.com/streaming-media-faq/faq-mp4-streaming.htm
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Thanks.

@bradavon
Thanks for info about 720P playback but without sound which isn't big issue as there is a small work around to fix it.
I've used a latest version of SUPER change the video container to MP4 from MOV and change audio codec to AAC LC didn't touch the video at all by using a direct stream copy for video.
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 103 MiB
Duration : 2mn 30s
Overall bit rate : 5 753 Kbps
Movie name : princeofpersia-tlr1_h720p.mov.MP4
Performer : created with SUPER(C).v2010.bld.37
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-21 01:26:55
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-21 01:26:55
Writing application : eRightSoft
Comment : 01:27:29
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 2mn 30s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 5 683 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 544 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Stream size : 102 MiB (99%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-21 00:26:55
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-21 00:26:55
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 2mn 30s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 63.9 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Stream size : 1.15 MiB (1%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-21 00:26:55
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-21 00:26:55
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Here is a result Prince of Persia: the Sands of Time 720P trailer with sound
Look awesome
MediaFire

hassan said:
Thanks for info about 720P playback but without sound which isn't big issue as there is a small work around to fix it.
I've used a latest version of SUPER change the video container to MP4 from MOV and change audio codec to AAC LC didn't touch the video at all by using a direct stream copy for video.
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Thanks Hassan. Good tip. These are all just wrappers after all, with largely MPEG4 inside them. I'll do just that. It would be good to get some working 720p Quicktime trailers on my HTC Desire.
I'll have a look at Prince of Persia, thanks.

I have tried this with movies downloaded from itunes but although the file converted shows the movie reel icon when I try to play it says that the movie cannot be played. Were you simply renaming the .m4v to mp4 using astro?

Converted from what? To what? You'll need to rename it to .mp4 yes. Try this:
In ASTRO, choose "Open As --> Video"
Does it play now? I've found this. I have to "Open As" for it to work from Astro.
It works fine using YXFlash though and nicely still opens .mp4 files using the default HTC Video Player (i.e - if HTC Video Player cannot play the file, like DiVX it uses the YXFlash Player and if it can, it uses the HTC Video Player, all from YXFlash).

benjatt said:
I have tried this with movies downloaded from itunes but although the file converted shows the movie reel icon when I try to play it says that the movie cannot be played. Were you simply renaming the .m4v to mp4 using astro?
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movies downloaded from itunes are protected, thus they cannot be played anywhere but the machine they are downloaded in and connected devices

use rockplayer Best player on android system. Works without problems
Audio: avi mkv rmvb mp4 mov wmv asf wma wav mpg ts mpa dvd au mp3 mid ivf aiff ogm ogg cda flic d2v aac roq flac drc dsm swf pls pmp
Video: AAC AC3 DTS FLV4 LPCM ALAW ULAW MPEG Audio MPEG-1 MPEG-2 RealVideo RealAideo Vorbis AVC VC1 XVID DIVX SVQ Theora Bink

i dont know why no one is talking about "ROCKplayer".......
it plays almost all formats including rmv,m4v,mkv,avi,mp4,mp3,wmv etc
and i love the scrolling in that player its very smooth......!!
as for as i know its the best video player for Android...

harish.awe said:
i dont know why no one is talking about "ROCKplayer".......
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This thread is from April, long before Rockplayer was even at beta stage.

benman27 said:
This thread is from April, long before Rockplayer was even at beta stage.
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Speaking of old and beta's does anybody know what happend to coreplayer? I read sometime ago that it was in development for android, Best player from my winmobile days!

Rockplayer is the best, nothing can match it atm!!!

[Q] [REQUEST] Hardware HD decoding

Hello XDA people,
I own an ePad and an HTC HD2.
When I put an MKV 720P file (probably encoded with x264) on my microSD card, the ePad plays it perfectly with Act one video player. When I try it using my HD2 its says "android media server died". And rockplayer can only software decode it, which is very slow and laggy.
Is there any way I can simply download and watch my HD TV series? The SD versions work but it's just not very sharp.
Tim

An hd movie played on the hd2 will only be 480x800, so it's still watching a sd movie in that case. >.>

That's true, however, when I grab the SD version of the TV show, it's 624x352 and a lower bitrate. So you can see a difference. Also, if I download the HD version I can still decide to watch it on my laptop and fully enjoy the resolution, rather than having to download the HD and SD version.
A friend with a Galaxy S tried to play an 720P MKV, and it plays it very well with hardware encoding, so I guess it's a driver issue?

Yes it is a driver issue, or more like it's not built in. Our snapdragon doesn't know how to process mkv files.

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Hello XDA people,
I own an ePad and an HTC HD2.
When I put an MKV 720P file (probably encoded with x264) on my microSD card, the ePad plays it perfectly with Act one video player. When I try it using my HD2 its says "android media server died". And rockplayer can only software decode it, which is very slow and laggy.
Is there any way I can simply download and watch my HD TV series? The SD versions work but it's just not very sharp.
Tim
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When you say "properly encoded with x264", what profile are you using? I used the wrong profile in Handbrake and ended up with choppy/laggy video on my HD2. Fixing the encoding options (read the tooltips on the Advanced tab in the latest version of Handbrake) results in a larger file (because it's compressed less-aggressively, so the player doesn't need to do so much work) that plays just fine on my HD2.
I've been ripping my DVDs and making .mp4s from them in Handbrake just fine. They're encoded to 720p and all play without any problems.
(Although Handbrake seems to have problems with using the correct height, but that's a HB problem).

Hello,
Do you think it will be possible to have hardware encoding any time soon? Or wil this never work?
@Splines
I actually ment 'probably', in this case the episode was downloaded from a newsgroup.
The video Data is:
"Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 8 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=4, N=5
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 21mn 52s
Bit rate : 3 120 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.141
Stream size : 477 MiB (85%)
Writing library : x264 core 110 r1804 e89c4cf"
What player do you use to watch the video's if I may ask?

timleferink said:
Hello,
Do you think it will be possible to have hardware encoding any time soon? Or wil this never work?
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I doubt it, especially because Leo is a WinMo device, not Android, which means hardware manufacturers will not provide drivers or code to achieve this.

timleferink said:
Hello,
Do you think it will be possible to have hardware encoding any time soon? Or wil this never work?
@Splines
I actually ment 'probably', in this case the episode was downloaded from a newsgroup.
The video Data is:
<snip/>
What player do you use to watch the video's if I may ask?
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(I'd linkify my links, but I"m a new users here and the forum software won't let me).
See the table here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profile
From your video meta-data, it's encoded with the "High" profile. I'm not familiar with the H.264 decoding algorithms, but I'm willing to bet that you won't find any video player on your HD2 that can decode that video in real-time.
Most mobile devices adhere to the Baseline Profile (BP). Here's what you need to do: Go and install Handbrake. Run it and create a new device profile (click "Add" in the bottom right-hand corner).
Switch to the Advanced tab and make sure yours looks like this: i.imgur.com/AEkFf.png
Right click on the new profile you created, and click "Save Changes".
Now, you might need to muck with the picture size on the first tab, but that's not too important since you're just trying to get the video playing smoothly.
Load your source video, and encode it to a new file. It should play just perfectly on your HD2.
I've tried several video players, and when I had the encoding options wrong, the only one that worked was VitalPlayer, but I had artifacts all over the screen. With these settings, any player that actually works in my ROM loads and plays the video just fine (ironically, VitalPlayer doesn't work in the ROM I have flashed right now). The stock video player, Meridian, mVideoPlayer, Zimly, all work fine. I suspect that the majority of the video players in the app store use the same engine to decode the video.

I tried recoding the file. It now plays better, but still only 10fps and the video is running behind. No other options I guess? Recoding to 800x480 is way to much of a hastle for me.
This is a major setback, I'll see if someone with a Desire can test it.

Get a better version of RockPlayer and try again. Look at the ARMv7 links on the right...
http://rockplayer.freecoder.org/index_en.html
I found that a LOT better than the version available on the market.

Too bad, tried the latest version and got the same results.
Do you think a desire build would be better since it also has a snapdragon cpu?
Tim

Best Video output to use on the Transformer

Hello all I just got my E Pad and looking to load some movies onto it.
Can anyone tell me the best format to use for quality. I have an 8Gig Micro to use for videos. I also use DVDFab for converting.
Thanks
Diverwes

I'm wondering this as well. I've seen a few threads on here regarding 720p settings, but how about non-hidef? What would people recommend using? I copied some movies over to my TF when I first got it and the playback was horrible, regardless of what player I used.

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I'm wondering this as well. I've seen a few threads on here regarding 720p settings, but how about non-hidef? What would people recommend using? I copied some movies over to my TF when I first got it and the playback was horrible, regardless of what player I used.
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Anything works for non-HD, just make sure you play it with something like Mobo Player, the default player doesn't support that many formats, nor does it play it as smoothly. In terms of HD, just look at the handbrake preset or install Mediainfo to check what profile your h264 video is at (Baseline, Main, High), it usually is Main/High. If it is 720p High, you may try playing it, but anything with more than 3 reference frames will lag.

something weard is i converted some movies they play but only at 2x they fly through.

diverwes said:
something weard is i converted some movies they play but only at 2x they fly through.
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I had this issue too. The file was an MP4 H.264 encoded file but the audio codec was not in stereo.
I re-encoded the movie using AVS Video Converter with these settings:
Frame Size: 1280x 720 (depending on movie format)
Video Codec: H.264/AVC
Frame rate: 24fps or match source video
Bitrate: 1500KBs video
Video Advanced: Multi-pass (first pass fast)
Audio Codec: MPEG-2/4 Audio 192KBS Stereo not 5.1
File type: MP4 PSP
With these settings, high def videos play awesome on my Transformer both on stock player and Rock Player with hardware decoding setting.

Video Format

What exactly does the video format support by the 10.1? I tried installing .avi, .mpeg and I wasn't able to play the videos. Most of the .avi are Blueray copies. Or anyone know a good video converter for Mac?

use handbreak to convert your .avi files , i do know that the galaxy tab 10.1 plays nice with .mp4 files
good luck

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use handbreak to convert your .avi files , i do know that the galaxy tab 10.1 plays nice with .mp4 files
good luck
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I second this. You can stream .avi from your computer if you prefer.

moboplayer provides a bunch of soft-decoding codec ,which will take care of most video if hardware-decoding won't work. just try this app first and see if that helps .
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You can also use rock player to play AVI files and such.
Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk

I've used both the stock & mobo (haven't tried rock yet, I'll have to give it a shot), & the stock player plays just fine with h.264 & mp4. In fact, I played the exact same video on both, & I thought the picture looked the best on the stock player. Of course, that requires you to re-encode most likely, which kinda defeats the purpose of having the avi encapsulation in the first place... up to you in the end--let us know how it works out.

Can somebody please test this clip?
I can play it perfectly on my 7" Galaxy TAB GT-P1000 but all the Tegra2 Honeycomb tablets I've tried it on will either stutter badly of not play at all!
I just can't imagine why a previous generation Single-Core CPU can play it without any problems using hardware acceleration and the Tegra2 Can't !?!
This is the codec info:
General
Complete name : D:\Downloads\Avatar_clip_1920_high.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 125 MiB
Duration : 1mn 23s
Overall bit rate : 12.6 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-05-22 19:19:17
Tagged date : UTC 2011-05-22 19:19:17
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1mn 23s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 12.4 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 22.5 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 078 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.251
Stream size : 123 MiB (99%)
Title : x
Writing library : x264 core 114 r1913 5fd3dce
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=23.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date : UTC 2011-05-22 19:19:17
Tagged date : UTC 2011-05-22 19:19:22
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 1mn 23s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 132.3 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 152 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.34 MiB (1%)
Title : x
Encoded date : UTC 2011-05-22 19:19:22
Tagged date : UTC 2011-05-22 19:19:22

Download Handbrake then go to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
You can follow the directions or simply download and import the 720p high profile preset.
If you want to stream video, a combination of uPnPlay (free in market), moboplayer and ps3 media server has worked fairly well for me.

hoodoomagic said:
Download Handbrake then go to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
You can follow the directions or simply download and import the 720p high profile preset.
If you want to stream video, a combination of uPnPlay (free in market), moboplayer and ps3 media server has worked fairly well for me.
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We don't want to re-encode! We want to play! Other less powerful devices can play almost everything without re-encoding! Why can't the Tegra2 do it?

To reencode is missing the point. It's a clip I encoded for a video survey in the Xoom forum. No Tegra 2 tablet can play it smoothly. You can blame poor NVidia driver, HC's beta-ness, or the crummy Tegra 2. That's just the way it is.
BTW, 1080p high profile is simply not in the Tegra 2 specs, drivers notwithstanding. If you want 1080p HP, buy another tab.

BTW, the entire suite of clips used for the survey is here. Tegra 2 (on 3.1) can play 720p HP and 1080p BP. On the Xoom, the stock player is hard-capped to 1080p BP. If you play MP or HP, the stock player will error out or crash.
http://www.mediafire.com/?depxt4zyvpwel

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We don't want to re-encode! We want to play! Other less powerful devices can play almost everything without re-encoding! Why can't the Tegra2 do it?
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That is something you'll have to ask Nvidia and Google, I don't know the answer to that.
However, transcoding will guarantee the video to work. And you can queue up files in Handbrake and walk away.
So, you can either complain on forums, or use the solution presented and watch 720p high profile video on the tab.

Denil Wong said:
What exactly does the video format support by the 10.1? I tried installing .avi, .mpeg and I wasn't able to play the videos. Most of the .avi are Blueray copies. Or anyone know a good video converter for Mac?
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You don't need or have to convert anything really (maybe except mkv's) if you just use MoboPlayer to watch them.
If you prefer to use the Gallery to watch videos, then it's best you convert to mp4 files.
On my Mac i have a myriad of converters, from VisualHub (no longer in development), Handbrake (free), WinX HD Video Converter, my three regulars.
There are tons out there.

i've been having trouble with a 720p x264 file about 1.2GBs.
the video plays but it is very laggy/choppy and the audio isnt in sync with the video playback.
i've checked that the files played fine on my computer.
should i convert these files too?

Thank you all for your great tips. Will definitely try it out when I get the chance to this evening. Highly appreciate it guys! CHEERS!!!

Regardless of whats being said over at the Xoom fourm, the GST as of now can only play back 720p/1080p H.264 Base Profile, smoothly. So far from my tests the GST doesn't support AC3 Audio, so the stock player will not play it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1134811&highlight=Poot+Video
I started this thread and there is useful information in it in relation to H.264 playback on the GST.

Metzenw said:
Regardless of whats being said over at the Xoom fourm, the GST as of now can only play back 720p/1080p H.264 Base Profile, smoothly. So far from my tests the GST doesn't support AC3 Audio, so the stock player will not play it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1134811&highlight=Poot+Video
I started this thread and there is useful information in it in relation to H.264 playback on the GST.
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HC 3.1 supports 720p high profile and I haven't had any problems using the Handbrake settings posted over at the TF forum.
In that thread I've seen people trying to solve some judder problems with certain clips, but tbh I'm not a video guru and the conversation is over my head. But as I've said, I have yet to experience that for myself even with movies with lots of action and fast camera pans.

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BTW, the entire suite of clips used for the survey is here. Tegra 2 (on 3.1) can play 720p HP and 1080p BP. On the Xoom, the stock player is hard-capped to 1080p BP. If you play MP or HP, the stock player will error out or crash.
http://www.mediafire.com/?depxt4zyvpwel
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I had just about given up hope trying to find the right combination of settings via Handbrake to encode my DVDs so they would play smooth on my GTab. I have come close but just hadn't hit it. I then downloaded your clip from your link - 1280 baseline - and was pleasantly surprised by not only the absolute smooth playback but by the picture quality.
I have since tried your VDisc_023 but the playback isn't absolutely smooth. It is close but not quite there.
So here's my question, can you supply either the change I need to make in VDisck_023 (I noticed it is set to High, perhaps just changing it to Base?) to equal your 1280_Baseline Avatar clip I mentioned above or the complete settings I can use in the GUI Handbrake interface? If I had my choice, I would prefer using the GUI but at this point, I will take what I can get!
Thanks so much for showing me I can get smooth playback with a terrific picture!

i use freemaker. much better easier and faster than handbreak give it a try

seansk said:
i use freemaker. much better easier and faster than handbreak give it a try
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Tried it and was not happy with the quality of the output. I was seeing too much... don't know the technical term is but I call it blocking. I really liked the easy interface and how you can easily cut scenes to convert but...