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IPhone fun apps .. Why its not on Diamond ?

Hello..
While im in Youtube i see the videos of the IPhone apps .. and i c how fun it is by just taping the screen ..
and here's what i thought .. IPhone apps is really simple its just the idea .. which makes me wonder why its not on the "Diamond" .. it cant be done ??
Here's some examples :
iAno
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video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwlwKttYI8&feature=related
this app contain graphic photo of a piano buttons when u press it, it plays a tone .. is it hard to do it?!
you will tell me the diamond is not a multitouch screen.. its ok we dont want to play two tones at once .. we will tap every single button and play its tone..
just for fun it doesnt have to be the same as the diamond .. we only put what the Diamond can play or run ..
iGuitar
video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=w40P3q3PIu8
iGuitar is a simple app as same as iAno .. just tap on the string and play .. we dont want to hold a string and play a different tone in the same string like a real guitar .. its enough i think with 6 strings and play with them .. for fun and shows ..
iDrummer
video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=coiaPu371AA&feature=related
dont have to say much about it .. its the same .. only its very simple .. touch and play .. no need to multitouch..
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and so on with many apps with the same subject .. please comment and tell me your opinions about what i wrote .. and explain to us whats can be done .. and what cant be done .. and why ..
waiting for this thread to explain everything...

if it's so simple, do it yourself.
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere, and the reason they are not really developed for WM devices anymore compared to the iPhone is due to the vast amount of marketing the iPhone has.

htc sell for 1 million
iphone sell for 100million.
this is the different

if it's so simple, do it yourself.
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere, and the reason they are not really developed for WM devices anymore compared to the iPhone is due to the vast amount of marketing the iPhone has.
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i would do it if i know how to do it.. i post this thread to get more info about what does the creative ppl think of it .. i just wanna know how do they think and creat and all of these things .. and i wanna know what is the nature of this work .. it comes step by step doesnt it ? so im a student here asking teachers..
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere
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do u mean for diamond ?? cuz i didnt c any !
and thX for the answer but i dont c this as a reason to not devlope any good apps for the diamond.. waiting to know what others think

You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!

conmeo said:
htc sell for 1 million
iphone sell for 100million.
this is the different
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hello conmeo thx for answer,,
your answer is same as Addicteddddd i really dont understant in commerce and business but does normal developers have to stop making these apps too ?? if someone knows how to develope can he develope as himself ?? i can answer yes for this cuz we are in the biggest developers forum site .. so these apps r really hard to be done ? or what can we know about it ...

uniqueboy said:
You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!
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here here.
i second that.
but .... they do look nice.
i bought a touch pro, after having an spv m500, spv M700.
and after al this years the apps stil look the same (graphics)
but you don`t here me crying over it.
if you want iphone apps, get an iphone.
so please stop crying over the iphone apps.
no i do not hate an iphone, but i didn`t get the fuzz and the hype that followed over it.
and i certanly didn`t like the hype creating policy they applied.
meaning, the store`s had plenty in stock, but were only alowed to sell 3 or 5 iphones a day, for a few weeks.
in other words, creating a hype.

uniqueboy said:
You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!
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i didnt say i want the iphone apps but they also look great ..so im asking CAN IT BE DONE ON DIAMOND OR NOT .. cuz it looks like an easy apps compared to all of these apps in this great forum ..
cant some1 give me a straight answer ??

badrey said:
i didnt say i want the iphone apps but they also look great ..so im asking CAN IT BE DONE ON DIAMOND OR NOT .. cuz it looks like an easy apps compared to all of these apps in this great forum ..
cant some1 give me a straight answer ??
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Just look at the hardware specs, of course it could be done but what we are saying is the market for such gimmicks is not wm it is apple. I got my phone for it's gps, it's vga screen it's gpu and cpu, not for a load of useless gimmick software that has no practical value. Basically anyone who wants to make such software has a much bigger commercial market with the iphone. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 adds for the diamond in magazines and that is it. The iphone is a nice object I'll admit but it is driven purely by the $ and not by a community of geeky nerds who love to tinker (myself excluded of course), software given to thousands or bought by millions. It is just fodder for the masses!
My last words on the subject, I'm sick and tired of this kind of crap thread, I recommend that no one else bother to post here, it has all been said a thousand times.

Out with the bores!
Oh give badrey a break! Some of you people are so deluded, it's hysterical. The iphone has some amazing apps and some of the key things it has that most the Diamond apps don't are style, sheer usability and a real sense of fun. Seriously, the Diamond apps can sometimes feel clunky and overly practical, however useful and well constructed they may be.
The saddest thing about all this bitterness towards the iphone and people who dare to mention the name is that there seem to be more and more posts/apps concerning Iphone themes, icons and slide to answer apps than ever before. So you all can't hate the iphone has much as you profess - stop with this childish pretense, it's sad!
Don't get me wrong, I love my Diamond, but I wish some of the extremely talented developers on here would raise the bar by utilising the Diamond's excellent screen and GPU for some good old fashioned colour filled fun. If it means using other successful phones as inspiration, so be it.
Whilst i'm getting things off my chest, to those of you with naked/ bikini clad girl wallpapers - nothing yells 'i'm a strange nerdy virgin' louder to people, especially women! Trust me, my gf heavily agrees and has often laughed at some of themes i've shown her on here, so sort it out. LOL!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.

simcarloc said:
Oh give badrey a break!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.
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Hear, Here......! Well said Old Chap.....
I think Badrey's inititial question was quite inocent and he was looking for a "gentle" debate - not an on-slaught..... lol
I'm a Die Hard win-mob user and will probably still be in many years to come... I still have that stock of Beta-Max video's too ready for when the market picks up... but.....
The iPhone does have some amazing "toys" in its app collection...... I want some of those too!
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I want them too. why don't we have a poll to see just how many people agree

doinbox said:
I want them too. why don't we have a poll to see just how many people agree
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i want them too

simcarloc said:
Oh give badrey a break! Some of you people are so deluded, it's hysterical. The iphone has some amazing apps and some of the key things it has that most the Diamond apps don't are style, sheer usability and a real sense of fun. Seriously, the Diamond apps can sometimes feel clunky and overly practical, however useful and well constructed they may be.
The saddest thing about all this bitterness towards the iphone and people who dare to mention the name is that there seem to be more and more posts/apps concerning Iphone themes, icons and slide to answer apps than ever before. So you all can't hate the iphone has much as you profess - stop with this childish pretense, it's sad!
Don't get me wrong, I love my Diamond, but I wish some of the extremely talented developers on here would raise the bar by utilising the Diamond's excellent screen and GPU for some good old fashioned colour filled fun. If it means using other successful phones as inspiration, so be it.
Whilst i'm getting things off my chest, to those of you with naked/ bikini clad girl wallpapers - nothing yells 'i'm a strange nerdy virgin' louder to people, especially women! Trust me, my gf heavily agrees and has often laughed at some of themes i've shown her on here, so sort it out. LOL!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.
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Oh, you are reading my mind, are you? Exactly what I been thinking! How do you do it?.... Scary!

people develope to get some money
with diamond you cant get much money when you develope something.
only few develope do for fun. like some in here. but this is all.
1 develope for diamond = 1million develope for iphone.
you can see the different. money
your question is very childish

Yes but i think you'll find that most Windows mobile phones that get released from now on will have the same G-sensor + touchscrenn technology so the apps/games wont just be for the Diamond they will be for all ppc.So how many people would be buying apps/games then.
If you catch my drift.

Keep in mind that while the diamond was only released 3 months ago, the iPhone has been out and played around with for almost 2 years. Most of those iPhone Apps started out as apps for the Jailbroken iPhone. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be the great equalizer.

Draiko said:
Keep in mind that while the diamond was only released 3 months ago, the iPhone has been out and played around with for almost 2 years. Most of those iPhone Apps started out as apps for the Jailbroken iPhone. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be the great equalizer.
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You said it man.
The Diamond is very new compared to the fruitphone.

PPCiano
This is supposed to be our equivalent of the iPhone's iAno application:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392268
I think one of our issues is the lack of muti-touch, so such applications are impossible. (please don't tell me about a multi-touch keypad, I know - but it's not 'true' multi-touch, just divided into two separate capacitive sensing sections.)
The main issue is being stuck with Windows Mobile as an OS. The .net development platform is fine and the hardware may be great too. But as an OS, WM is sucky and doesn't allocate it's resources in the correct places.
Just look at the consistant responsiveness of the iPhone. In fact you don't need to get an iPhone to see this. The iPod touch is a fabulous piece of kit.
Personally, I think once Google's Android has proven itself and made it's way onto a few more devices than the G1 it will be another great platform for developers and users - regardless of whether those users continue to support the iPhone or not. Likewise Symbian may yet prove a worthy force in the PDA/smartphone market once it becomes touchscreen with series 60v5.
For those nay-sayers about the iPhone, I truly believe they just haven't had a real good play around with one recently. Once you have seriously tried it out, lived with one for a few hours, experience the App-Store, iTunes integration, Media Player, Huge screen, Safari Browser, Pinch to zoom, Multi-Touch, Google Maps, BBC iPlayer, etc it really does make one wonder how Windows Mob continues to sell ANY units!... Sure they have their own shortcomings but WM6.1 has many, many more.
Best regards,
Adam R. Hirshfield
T-Mobile (UK) Ltd.
Core Networks
HTC Diamond (MDAc IV) user w/Dutty's rom!

Multi touch can enable some fun features, but other than being able to turn your phone into an instrument and zooming in and out, multitouch is essentially useless.

does the HTC EVO supports its own GRAPHICS CARD for smoothe 3d gameing?

jus wondering if the great EVO has its own GRAPHICS card for 3d gameing cuz i couldnt find any specs on it.if anyone knows that'll b nice.

The snapdragon has an integrated gpu.
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html

hmmm..... that doesnt imply to the 3d gameing graphics card.its jus the fast processor which i already have on my hd2 with 1ghz snapdragon processer.the DROID has its own seperate 3D games graphics card so i was wondering if the EVO has anything like that.

GHOST99K said:
hmmm..... that doesnt imply to the 3d gameing graphics card.
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Yes, it does answer your question. It would help if you had some idea what you were really asking about.
This is a "GRAPHICS CARD" next to the HTC EVO. Bear in mind that these are actual size.
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That will not fit inside your phone, which is why it doesn't have one. What it does have is an integrated GPU like Sebrina said, a smaller chip inside the Snapdragon that specializes in 3D graphics. The Droid also has an integrated GPU, not its "own separate graphics card." I have no idea where that rumor started or why it's still being repeated. People say words without knowing what they mean, I guess. It is true, however, that the GPU found in the Droid's chip performs a bit better than the one found in the Snapdragon. And now you know.

gsmsosv said:
Yes, it does answer your question. It would help if you had some idea what you were really asking about.
This is a "GRAPHICS CARD" next to the HTC EVO. Bear in mind that these are actual size.
That will not fit inside your phone, which is why it doesn't have one. What it does have is an integrated GPU like Sebrina said, a smaller chip inside the Snapdragon that specializes in 3D graphics. The Droid also has an integrated GPU, not its "own separate graphics card." I have no idea where that rumor started or why it's still being repeated. People say words without knowing what they mean, I guess. It is true, however, that the GPU found in the Droid's chip performs a bit better than the one found in the Snapdragon. And now you know.
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thanx for clearing that up but i just want a phone with a smoothe 3d graphics specially when it comes to games.i have the wm hd2 which is horrible on the games compare to the games and the graphics on the iphone 3g and 3gs which comes with very large sized game files.im jus hoping the EVO has a good GPU.THANX

I think the question is how well does Android play games (in general) and what quality/quantity are and will be available. Some games play well on the HD2, but, from my understanding (I'm a HD2 owner who doesn't game) it's only a few that really shine in Winmo 6.5(x).

same thing can be said for android, there's only a handful that I would consider to be "graphic intensive"
They're coming though, just takes times... my magic 8 ball says 6 months to a year from now we should see some really nice games start to pop up

johnsongrantr said:
same thing can be said for android, there's only a handful that I would consider to be "graphic intensive"
They're coming though, just takes times... my magic 8 ball says 6 months to a year from now we should see some really nice games start to pop up
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Go, go magic 8-ball for pre-order date.

-shakes and rubs his magic 8-ball-
-An answer floats to the surface, but is difficult to read-
-After struggling for a few minutes, mrono reads the message-
-Outlook not so good-

If you want games get an iPhone, it's that simple.

Fadakar said:
If you want games get an iPhone, it's that simple.
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had an iphone 3g but dont want to go back to it.sticking with HTC thank u.

Fadakar said:
If you want games get an iPhone, it's that simple.
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Actually if you want games, get an xbox360, even an iphone cant compare to that type of gaming experiance.

Fadakar said:
If you want games get an iPhone, it's that simple.
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ya if you want games just get an iphone. its that easy. and then get a psp, and a nintendo ds. and a ps3 with a portable screen, i mean its that easy. just duct tape it all onto your body and then you will be a super mobile gaming master. its that easy. you dont even need to carry a good phone.................

lol at how stupid you guys can be, don't look so far into it. He wanted a phone that plays game, name a phone that plays games better than the iPhone, not to mention the abundance of them.

Fadakar said:
lol at how stupid you guys can be, don't look so far into it. He wanted a phone that plays game, name a phone that plays games better than the iPhone, not to mention the abundance of them.
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well thank u sir,jus wanted to know any device that plays or supports cool 3d games compare to the iphone,as simple as that but some people jus wasting their time posting stupid non-sense comments instead of answering my question.thank u

GHOST99K said:
well thank u sir,jus wanted to know any device that plays or supports cool 3d games compare to the iphone,as simple as that but some people jus wasting their time posting stupid non-sense comments instead of answering my question.thank u
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The second post in this thread answered your question.

Graphics capabilities.
Since this kinda applies to the topic of this thread. I'm curious how much better this snapdragon processor will handle (in theory) the graphic intensive activities so many of us want like games and high quality video playback without lag compared to say the Iphone or in my instance a old Touch Pro.
Since I remember hearing HTC skimped on the video driver support with Qualcom chip in the touch Pro giving us some slide show video on certain file types like FLV files. I personally am curious if this graphics solution on this phone is going to give me that buttery smooth experience I think we all hope and dream for from this phone?

Auzarin said:
Since this kinda applies to the topic of this thread. I'm curious how much better this snapdragon processor will handle (in theory) the graphic intensive activities so many of us want like games and high quality video playback without lag compared to say the Iphone or in my instance a old Touch Pro.
Since I remember hearing HTC skimped on the video driver support with Qualcom chip in the touch Pro giving us some slide show video on certain file types like FLV files. I personally am curious if this graphics solution on this phone is going to give me that buttery smooth experience I think we all hope and dream for from this phone?
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I beg your pardon: Theories are not facts, nor do theories reflect actuality in any form. The facts are clear: I do not particularly like the iphone, but it has nothing to do with how well they function. They are well known to be the best gaming phone due to the deep support of the for profit developing community. Free is good, but not as good as good.
Finally, OP, do some research. It's not rocket science and I think that's what has a few people ruffled....it would have been so much easier to have figured it out on your own than withstand the ridicule you've received and at least in part, deserved, in this thread.

My apologies, my theory had nothing to do with you or your like or dislike of anything. I was just wanting community opinion of this new processor. I am interested in processing capability not wither or not the games are good. But wither or not the hardware has the ability and drivers are capable. Also I am most curious if the drivers will support the various video and audio codecs to make this a true multimedia phone unlike the touch pro I currently have.

You seem like a really nice person and I apologize for coming off as not so much so. I don't think you can do much better than an iphone.....there I said it and I have tears in my eyes for saying so. I just don't like how Apple locks the application availability (although there are tons and good quality) and user interface.
I almost feel like an idiot for not just sucking it up and getting one.....Nah, I am an idiot!

Did you guys know? (Vibrant Multitouch)

So...........I did a few multitouch tests last night for ****s and giggles and on one test it sensed 5 contact points (I was like when i saw this BTW) and the other performed pretty well also the only way i could get the two contact points to get stuck together was when i slid one finger under the other.
so after having my Nexus and trying these tests which were a huge FAIL and giving up on my Game Emulators that i purchased back in my G1 days I decided to give it another go on my Vibrant and the only thing i have to say is HOLY ****!!! My GBA, SNES, SEGA, and NES emulators run INSANE, the multitouch is on par, and it only made me fall way more in love with my Vibrant
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So...........I did a few multitouch tests last night for ****s and giggles and on one test it sensed 5 contact points (I was like when i saw this BTW) and the other performed pretty well also the only way i could get the two contact points to get stuck together was when i slid one finger under the other.
so after having my Nexus and trying these tests which were a huge FAIL and giving up on my Game Emulators that i purchased back in my G1 days I decided to give it another go on my Vibrant and the only thing i have to say is HOLY ****!!! My GBA, SNES, SEGA, and NES emulators run INSANE, the multitouch is on par, and it only made me fall way more in love with my Vibrant
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NICE!!! Thanks for sharing...very informative. I'm curious how the new iphone will stack up to these tests as well. hhmmm...

how easy is it to get those games going on the vibrant? slowly learning here =)

Yep. Part of the SAMOLED specs was a better touch panel. Nice to see it's as good as they claim!

I also notice that if you use the Samsung input method instead of Swype, you almost get a full multitouch keyboard.

eff0rtless said:
how easy is it to get those games going on the vibrant? slowly learning here =)
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Go to the market and download
NESOID (Nintendo)
SNESOID (Super Nintendo)
GENSOID (Sega Genesis)
GAMEBOID (Game Boy Advanced)
or anything by a developer called "yongzh"
he also has a Game Boy classic and a Game Gear emulator
then get RomBuddy on the market to get the games the GBA emulator needs a "BIOS" file to play it you can find it on RomBuddy or you can do it like I did and search the internet for hours and test out what games work and don't
keep in mind these are all payed apps and both the apps and the roms (games) are illegal to distribute so before you ask just in case NO i wont post up any APK's or ROM's and no the roms dont cost anything just the emulators and Rombuddy <---Easiest way to find the roms
Type in "yongzh" in your search bar on the market and he has some "lite" versions of his emulators so you can try it out before buying

rembonjaski said:
I also notice that if you use the Samsung input method instead of Swype, you almost get a full multitouch keyboard.
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yeah i use Better Keyboard and its runs really well on the phone also BTW its not quite yet multitouch yet but its pretty close, most keyboards claim to be but i dont think theres is one yet
another thing i tested were some of the piano apps on the market that poped up when i typed in "multitouch" in the search bar on the market and those all worked pretty well you could push two keys at a time but i kind of forgot to see if maybe more than two fingers would work?
I know the emulators were reacting to more than two fingers (not that you would want to fit more than two fingers on a 4" screen while playing a game )

LatinSilEighty said:
Go to the market and download
NESOID (Nintendo)
SNESOID (Super Nintendo)
GENSOID (Sega Genesis)
GAMEBOID (Game Boy Advanced)
or anything by a developer called "yongzh"
he also has a Game Boy classic and a Game Gear emulator
then get RomBuddy on the market to get the games the GBA emulator needs a "BIOS" file to play it you can find it on RomBuddy or you can do it like I did and search the internet for hours and test out what games work and don't
keep in mind these are all payed apps and both the apps and the roms (games) are illegal to distribute so before you ask just in case NO i wont post up any APK's or ROM's and no the roms dont cost anything just the emulators and Rombuddy <---Easiest way to find the roms
Type in "yongzh" in your search bar on the market and he has some "lite" versions of his emulators so you can try it out before buying
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Um, how good is rombuddy if I may ask? I understand that this stuff is illegal, but in the spirit of sharing, I would like to say that the website known as emuparadise is also good for roms. They have every GBA game ever, and a good selection of others I believe. Now sure how easy it is since you'd probably be downloading onto your computer and putting the rom files in the right folder, unless you can download to a certain folder on android, but it is free at least. People who are downloading illegal emulators and roms probably want to be as cheap as possible after all.

Im pretty sure the 5 contact points is not a thing with the Vibrant, the Nexus One just had a really bad touch sensor.

Multitouch on the Vibrant/GALAXY S series is excellent. I think most of us we're apprised to that. Just trying out pinch to zoom in the web browser and GPS maps shows how awesome the touch pad on this phone is. It's easily at the level of the iPhone.

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Im pretty sure the 5 contact points is not a thing with the Vibrant, the Nexus One just had a really bad touch sensor.
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what do you mean by "is not a thing with the vibrant"? and unless both my boys nexus and mine had a bad touch sensor I think you sir would be wrong. It was a hardware issue theres many many videos out on it, Im not bashing the Nexus because i loved mine but the Vibrants screen is better IMO
Download Multitouch Test by "Greenrobot" and if you tell me that you put 5 fingers on the screen (at the same time )and it pops up with five points then Ill call my friend up and tell him he has a defective Nexus

The Galaxy S is using one of the best touch sensor available, its made by a company call Atmel, the one being use in the Galaxy S supports unlimited touch.

LatinSilEighty said:
what do you mean by "is not a thing with the vibrant"? and unless both my boys nexus and mine had a bad touch sensor I think you sir would be wrong. It was a hardware issue theres many many videos out on it, Im not bashing the Nexus because i loved mine but the Vibrants screen is better IMO
Download Multitouch Test by "Greenrobot" and if you tell me that you put 5 fingers on the screen (at the same time )and it pops up with five points then Ill call my friend up and tell him he has a defective Nexus
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No i was just getting at the nexus one had a flawed touch sensor to begin with. Others like the Droid X or the Incredible have touch screens similar to the Vibrant.

Blueman101 said:
No i was just getting at the nexus one had a flawed touch sensor to begin with. Others like the Droid X or the Incredible have touch screens similar to the Vibrant.
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oh sorry i got all on the defensive, yeah i think the Evo is also on the list of good screens

I used to prefer the resistive screen of my Nokia n900 over any other capacitive screen. However, this phone has since changed my opinion of capacitive touch screens and on screen keyboards. A stylus would still be nice though

Actually, the Incredible (and the Evo/HD2) have the same crappy sensor as the N1 and the Desire.
Multi-touch on those Snapdragon phones is a hack job, the actual hardware used doesn't even support it directly. Every wonder why the Sony X10 doesn't support multi-touch at all? It's not because of Android 1.6, it's the hardware. It has the same touchscreen hardware as the HTC devices (and is probably co-designed/manufactured by HTC too), but they didn't try to make it work with a driver hack like HTC did.
The Milestone/Droid, which has an EXCELLENT sensor and used to be the best in the business until the Galaxy S came to town, only supports two inputs. Which, btw, is plenty, it'll be a rare rare application that can take advantage of multi-multi-touch.
Not sure what's on the Droid X, but I imagine the hardware will be at least as good as the Droid.

Croak said:
Actually, the Incredible (and the Evo/HD2) have the same crappy sensor as the N1 and the Desire.
Multi-touch on those Snapdragon phones is a hack job, the actual hardware used doesn't even support it directly. Every wonder why the Sony X10 doesn't support multi-touch at all? It's not because of Android 1.6, it's the hardware. It has the same touchscreen hardware as the HTC devices (and is probably co-designed/manufactured by HTC too), but they didn't try to make it work with a driver hack like HTC did.
The Milestone/Droid, which has an EXCELLENT sensor and used to be the best in the business until the Galaxy S came to town, only supports two inputs. Which, btw, is plenty, it'll be a rare rare application that can take advantage of multi-multi-touch.
Not sure what's on the Droid X, but I imagine the hardware will be at least as good as the Droid.
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Would you know how many inputs the iphone4 can handle? Very curious...they use our cpu made by samsung along with other components, I wonder how similar our touch screen tech is....

Croak said:
Actually, the Incredible (and the Evo/HD2) have the same crappy sensor as the N1 and the Desire.
Multi-touch on those Snapdragon phones is a hack job, the actual hardware used doesn't even support it directly. Every wonder why the Sony X10 doesn't support multi-touch at all? It's not because of Android 1.6, it's the hardware. It has the same touchscreen hardware as the HTC devices (and is probably co-designed/manufactured by HTC too), but they didn't try to make it work with a driver hack like HTC did.
The Milestone/Droid, which has an EXCELLENT sensor and used to be the best in the business until the Galaxy S came to town, only supports two inputs. Which, btw, is plenty, it'll be a rare rare application that can take advantage of multi-multi-touch.
Not sure what's on the Droid X, but I imagine the hardware will be at least as good as the Droid.
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is all this information fact? i really like HTC and i would hate to think that their screens couldn't get better by a small fix, so would you say that Samsungs screen is one of the best screens out and if not the best who would be its direct competitor or what place would you put Samsung in?

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PS VITA has arrived, will i ever use my Xperia Play again?

My PS VITA arrived today and i cannot wait to get home to try it.
This got me thinking Will i ever use my Xplay again? Will i miss it if i got rid?
When i first got my Xplay (April 2011) i was over the moon, the potential this phone had was endless. Coming from a Palm Pre it had alot to live up against, (I Love webOS) I find myself with every phone wanting to play games, perfect fit i thought.
However nearly 12 months later and the games i still play the most are all on emulators, N64, PSX, etc all android games that are half decent end up being a let down (personal thoughts of course) GTA3, Dead Space Even (repetitive), all gameloft games!
Maybe i was sold on the hype and potential and not on the actual business plan Sony Erricson had for the Xplay, infact what is it for? causal gamers, emulator nuts? It annoys me that not all android games utilise the gamepad (this is one thing i expected to happen - Its only a litlte bit of code to add isn't it?)
The only real thing that has made me pick my xplay up in the last few months is the amount of support the devs have given it. Kernels, Custom Roms etc (I can do this on nearly any android phone)
I feel i can get rid of my Xplay now, i love android for its customisation options, maybe if there ever was a Xplay 2 they can get it right, make it a proper console like the vita which can make calls and i'll be happy.
My rant, debate, statement whatever i wrote is over.
However my question still remains Will i ever use my Xplay again? Will i miss it if i got rid? Wierdly...........
I think the answer would be yes i would miss it!

blonqe said:
My PS VITA arrived today and i cannot wait to get home to try it.
This got me thinking Will i ever use my Xplay again? Will i miss it if i got rid?
When i first got my Xplay (April 2011) i was over the moon, the potential this phone had was endless. Coming from a Palm Pre it had alot to live up against, (I Love webOS) I find myself with every phone wanting to play games, perfect fit i thought.
However nearly 12 months later and the games i still play the most are all on emulators, N64, PSX, etc all android games that are half decent end up being a let down (personal thoughts of course) GTA3, Dead Space Even (repetitive), all gameloft games!
Maybe i was sold on the hype and potential and not on the actual business plan Sony Erricson had for the Xplay, infact what is it for? causal gamers, emulator nuts? It annoys me that not all android games utilise the gamepad (this is one thing i expected to happen - Its only a litlte bit of code to add isn't it?)
The only real thing that has made me pick my xplay up in the last few months is the amount of support the devs have given it. Kernels, Custom Roms etc (I can do this on nearly any android phone)
I feel i can get rid of my Xplay now, i love android for its customisation options, maybe if there ever was a Xplay 2 they can get it right, make it a proper console like the vita which can make calls and i'll be happy.
My rant, debate, statement whatever i wrote is over.
However my question still remains Will i ever use my Xplay again? Will i miss it if i got rid? Wierdly...........
I think the answer would be yes i would miss it!
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Congratulation on having PSVita
But I really don't care if you are gonna get rid of your xperia play or not.
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I suggest you keep your Xperia Play cause end of the day it's a phone and you can make calls with it AND just keep it because you have got emulators on it.

Vita has arrived... and yet we STILL don't have the damn playstation store....

When Gameboy Advance came, did you miss your Gameboy color?
I've ordered a HTC chacha, because I miss the keyboard, and I feel that's petter then a gamepad, even if the chacha is not as powerful as the play.
I'm happy with my Vita and my chacha
My xperia play is in the box, ready to sell.

Well you say what you pay the most on it is emulators, so yeah you'll still use it, you're not getting emulators until the Vita gets hacked, and even then the Xperia Play has more good games. At the minute the Vita isn't a portable games console, it's a portable Uncharted console.

Rogue Leader said:
Vita has arrived... and yet we STILL don't have the damn playstation store....
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Agreed. Where's the Playstation Suite ??

sufy1000 said:
Agreed. Where's the Playstation Suite ??
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Ditto. WTH
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Rogue Leader said:
Vita has arrived... and yet we STILL don't have the damn playstation store....
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playstation store will most likely be with ICS so everything is pushed to the play at once
also 3 hours vita vs upto 8 hours xplay best idea would be to keep both and try use the vita for vita games and everything else phone

Well I can understand your view. Even I've stopped gaming on my XPlay since gameloft slowed down on releasing new games for android.
And myself I'm planning to get the new Xperia S after few month's of its release or wait till the dev section in XDA gets little populated with custom kernels/roms etc. And I'm not sure about carrying another device(Vita) in my pocket except my phone.
But by next year hopefully we see an XPlay 2 with better specs and much better support but I highly doubt Sony will do that since it will create competition against its own product which is the new Vita.
But on the other hand I have fingers crossed for HTC to release a phone with gamepad. Why so? Because latest rumor has that some new HTC devices will get PS certified from Sony. Which means there are chances of another phone with gamepad or maybe it will simply be like a "PS certified" device like Xperia S. Which makes no sense at all.
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bornotty said:
Well I can understand your view. Even I've stopped gaming on my XPlay since gameloft slowed down on releasing new games for android.
And myself I'm planning to get the new Xperia S after few month's of its release or wait till the dev section in XDA gets little populated with custom kernels/roms etc. And I'm not sure about carrying another device(Vita) in my pocket except my phone.
But by next year hopefully we see an XPlay 2 with better specs and much better support but I highly doubt Sony will do that since it will create competition against its own product which is the new Vita.
But on the other hand I have fingers crossed for HTC to release a phone with gamepad. Why so? Because latest rumor has that some new HTC devices will get PS certified from Sony. Which means there are chances of another phone with gamepad or maybe it will simply be like a "PS certified" device like Xperia S. Which makes no sense at all.
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I've cut back on my PLAY time as well, mainly because I've beaten every game I have (that I wanted to beat, excluding Splinter Cell which just sucks), and the only ones I don't have that I'd like to play are Shadowgun, MC3, and BackStab. I'm waiting for a sale to buy them as I refuse to pay full price of a GL game when they hand them out for a buck every few months.
Waiting for or hoping for some more games with depth, otherwise I may get a Vita as well.
As for HTC I don't see them making a niche phone like this, and in fact I think its entirely possible we will never see an Xperia PLAY 2, as they 1 wont want to compete with the Vita, and 2 mucked it up the first time around.
EDIT: If I have to wait for ICS on the PLAY to get the Playstation Suite I may as well get a Vita and ditch this phone at my next upgrade, because Verizon hasn't even given us 2.3.4 yet, gonna be a cold day before we get ICS.

Get a vita, play it in public, never get laid again.
Pretty funny though you guys got to go out and replace this with 2 seperate high end products.

Rogue Leader said:
I've cut back on my PLAY time as well, mainly because I've beaten every game I have (that I wanted to beat, excluding Splinter Cell which just sucks), and the only ones I don't have that I'd like to play are Shadowgun, MC3, and BackStab. I'm waiting for a sale to buy them as I refuse to pay full price of a GL game when they hand them out for a buck every few months.
Waiting for or hoping for some more games with depth, otherwise I may get a Vita as well.
As for HTC I don't see them making a niche phone like this, and in fact I think its entirely possible we will never see an Xperia PLAY 2, as they 1 wont want to compete with the Vita, and 2 mucked it up the first time around.
EDIT: If I have to wait for ICS on the PLAY to get the Playstation Suite I may as well get a Vita and ditch this phone at my next upgrade, because Verizon hasn't even given us 2.3.4 yet, gonna be a cold day before we get ICS.
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Verizon does suck, doubtful we will ever get ICS. Also didnt I read somewhere in the begining of Dec that they were traning their employees for the Xperia PLAY LTE? Guess that never panned out. I really like my PLAY but it seems like all the games worth playing are old, and pretty much all dave 2 of the GameLoft games are buggy pieces of crap. The PS Vita has a really nice display but I will never buy a handheld game console anymore, and no its not because I want to get laid I am already married and can get that whenever she wants......because if its me I end up on a milk carton.

The second that I found out that the VITA was not a mobile device I lost interest...
I'm not gonna carry around multiple devices.
And it's true, seeing a PSP/3DS/VITA being played in public makes the person look... juvenile... Of course playing a game on a cell phone doesn't have the same effect. Double standard, I guess.

hairdewx said:
The second that I found out that the VITA was not a mobile device I lost interest...
I'm not gonna carry around multiple devices.
And it's true, seeing a PSP/3DS/VITA being played in public makes the person look... juvenile... Of course playing a game on a cell phone doesn't have the same effect. Double standard, I guess.
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FACT! I had a PSP for 5 years and was single. Sold it, got an xplay and got laid. It's more than just a phone ;-)
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hairdewx said:
The second that I found out that the VITA was not a mobile device I lost interest...
I'm not gonna carry around multiple devices.
And it's true, seeing a PSP/3DS/VITA being played in public makes the person look... juvenile... Of course playing a game on a cell phone doesn't have the same effect. Double standard, I guess.
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Thats my problem... I just can't see myself carrying it. The reason I love the Xperia PLAY is its in my pocket all the time.
When I was a kid I had a Sega Game Gear. I barely used it and ended up selling it for two reasons, 1. was that I had very little money, so if I was gonna spend money on games I was gonna spend it on Genesis games since 2. it was too bulky to carry aground (and the Vita is not much better) meaning aside from long Car rides I rarely carried it around, meaning I played it at home, and when I'm home I'd rather play a game on a TV.

Rogue Leader said:
Thats my problem... I just can't see myself carrying it. The reason I love the Xperia PLAY is its in my pocket all the time.
When I was a kid I had a Sega Game Gear. I barely used it and ended up selling it for two reasons, 1. was that I had very little money, so if I was gonna spend money on games I was gonna spend it on Genesis games since 2. it was too bulky to carry aground (and the Vita is not much better) meaning aside from long Car rides I rarely carried it around, meaning I played it at home, and when I'm home I'd rather play a game on a TV.
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I agree. PS Vita is NOT a phone. Okay it's got better graphics and all that but then the games aspect comes into play. You have to pay £30 for every game. I'd rather play a game on PS3 on a 40'' 3D TV than play it on the Vita's screen.
To be honest i'm happy with my Xperia Play even though some people may not like it. I'm happy with £3 games I spend on it and happy to play them.
As I said I'd rather play games on the PS3 with a big screen.
The Vita is just for people who want to show off

What the hell is with the talk that dedicated handheld gaming consoles look stupid? I play them in public, and I have no issues getting laid. I'd chalk that one to looks. I play a 3ds as well as my xplay. Its the same ****, who cares.
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I've had the Vita since 30 dec [Japanese import] and I can tell you that the only device I carry around is my Xperia Play. Sony has gotten so paranoid over copyright infringement that the Vita is compeltely locked down even on purchases I have already made on the Playstation Network. My existing mini's and PS1 games do not transfer / the content manager is a pain to use, I have to reformat video to get it on the device. Yeah, Unchartered is pretty, but my Vita is collecting dust because it is too frustrating to use and too bulky to carry around. In fact, I rushed to get one because I think sony will discontinue the Vita after a failed US and European release.
Why would Sony put out an Android "playstation phone" and then Vita shortly after - they are hedging their bets, If the Vita fails miserably [which it should in this new gaming environment] then I bet we get an XPeria PLay 2 shortly after.
on the other topic, i'm married which means I rarely get laid

All interesting points!
I got a vita so when my girlfriend is watching soaps and stuff i get to play proper games on the sofa, portbale consoles will never replace the home console, the experience is totally different, e.g i play fifa on my vita same game more or less as my xbox 360 but on a portable system seems different still brilliant and way better than the xplsy version, i will still play the home console version over vita anytime big screen and surround sound!
vita is great for my purpose, sofa, work, long trips, cant take my 360 or ps3!
my play just didnt give me yhe same satisfaction, apart from the emulators i mentioned in my op.
and fir ppl saying 40 quid is too much, i agree but these are way better quality games then the 3 quid ones on phones.
i think its time for game companys to start releasing double play, triple plays like blu ray movies.
by one game for 40quid, play it on ya home, portable console and ya phone
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still worth?

Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks

mucego said:
Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks
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I would recommend getting a more powerful phone and using a bluetooth controller. The play is really outdated now IMHO.

chick3n564 said:
I would recommend getting a more powerful phone and using a bluetooth controller. The play is really outdated now IMHO.
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I'd probably do this aswell
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Right now it's not a smart choice. Yes, its gamepad it's a gem to play anywhere but its official rom it's outdated and has some limitations about RAM and internal memory.
If you want to sort these limitations you will have to take some time installing a custom rom and tuning the configuration so, imho, if you don't mind about try some custom roms and you can find it cheap then go ahead, otherwise look for a more logical choice.

Since there is absolutely, positively not a single Bluetooth gamepad on this planet with as much software support as Xperia Play has, it's still the best choice for gamers.
There's a lotta better specs out there, but with so little necessitating all that power, their best use is for... well... **** measuring. Xperia Play handles things just fine with what it has regardless of whether it's old or new. Doesn't legally get 4.x.x, but since this is not iOS, we have many app supplements that net us 4.x.x features...and we get that extraordinary stability/software support that was compromised by newer FWs.
Honestly, I don't know the first thing about tweaks, yet my YouTube is constantly blown up with questions about what I do to make my Xperia Play so smooth. All I've ever been doing is running a debloated stock ROM to get iPhone-tier fluidity...and with link2sd, the onboard storage complaint even becomes invalid.
Only thing I wouldn't recommend is using a contract upgrade on a phone that's so low-cost... and that's just 'cause there's more strategic ways to work the system.
The Xperia Play is; however, still a good phone.
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tbh, if you can put up with a few fps drops here and there on heavy 3d games (e.g. modern combat, wild blood, dark knight rises, gta etc) and also play them at low settings then its a good gaming phone. Yes the hardware is outdated but if you get a custom ROM and then overclock your phone then it should be alright.

Honestly the phone feel fairly smooth using stock or NXT rom. If you use a light rom or debloat it, it feel smooth overall. It only slow down once you install custom ICS or JB roms.
The one thing I miss is can't do is play high bitrates HD movies like newer phones. Also having to stay on GB you get the speed, but miss out ICS features and apps that aren't compatible with GB.
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mucego said:
Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks
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Check this thread and post No.5

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Since there is absolutely, positively not a single Bluetooth gamepad on this planet with as much software support as Xperia Play has, it's still the best choice for gamers.
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Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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I disagree with that. We were sent a couple of MOGA's to use/review with are Xperia S, T and V but find for portable gaming it just does not work as good as you would want.
To start with the connection takes along time to kick in and then disconnects time to time during game play (Normally with Gameloft games). Having the MOGA app always running in the background gives the system more to process which cause's lag in games, they also seam to have a mined of their own (Keep moving in the same direction after you let go and are very inaccurate overall). The controller is not supported as a generic HID device meaning you need a 3rd party app and root to be able to play emulators and Non MOGA support games.
The other issues are to do with the physical form. The weight when the controller holds a phone is unevenly distributed (The phone weights a lot more then the controller meaning its top heavy (Not great for long periods of gaming), that's why there is a lip on the back of the controller to prop it all up. The sticks are stiff with no grip (Easy grip fix, take the foam pads out so they cup round your finger) and are useless for any FPS (Try out online multiplayer MC4, Nova 3). The lack of buttons (No d-pad, No L2, R2) and plus the fact you need AAA battery's to power it (Not ideal).
I could go on and on but Moga is no competition for the Xperia Play (purpose built for gaming, not an add-on) . If on public transport and want to play a quick game, its much better to slide the play open and play compared to getting the MOGA out of your bag or pocket, turn on bluetooth, clip in phone, wait for moga to connect to device and so on.
The list of games are on the increase but still only around 40 compared to the 400 on the Xperia Play. Its a novel way to play games at the moment and that's why some game developers are supporting it. But cant see this being a long time thing.

IMO ps3 pad with gameklip is the best setup maybe not so portable but for actually gaming its better than the xperia play
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Wow, I honestly think that you both got a bad unit and haven't spent much time with it since launch.
First of all, in regards to the game selection, its true if you only use the company provided Pivot app, it only supports around 50 games. But what you are forgetting/ignoring is the MOGA universal driver app that makes it work as a standard HID controller just like the ps3 that allows it to play ANY game that works with HID contollers plus act as an ime that can emulate PLAY controls. There is not a single Play game that I cannot play without controls on my SGS III. Not a single one. This includes emulators. I can even use gamekeyboard if I wanted. I like my play too, but you are just ignoring the facts here.
Second, the connection honestly takes around 2-3 seconds for me and I have NEVER had a disconnect, not once. I have run quadrant with the pivot app and without and have seen no noticable difference, and it is the same with gameplay. I have one of the heaviest devices available and it does not seem top heavy at all. I think the comment people make about the sticks being stick is due to the fact that it is a smaller controller than normal so of course the sticks would have less travel area, it is just a matter of getting used to it just like it was with the Play touchpads. I have played several FPS's with the pad, MC4, Dead Trigger, Shadowgun, ETC, and have actually been impressed at the sensitivity and ease of use.
The argument that it is a pain to carry around is I think a weak one as it easily fits into any coat pocket and is smaller than some android phones Ive owned. I have used it daily for weeks now.
Again, I can play every Play game out there, so I feel like I my gaming experience just got way better. I also got a laugh of you calling it a novelty that wont catch on, thats what they said about the Play too.
Anyways, just a few thoughts, no offense meant my friend.
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ILikeTheWayYouMove2 said:
IMO ps3 pad with gameklip is the best setup maybe not so portable but for actually gaming its better than the xperia play
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Agreed, ever since the MOGA got ps3 controller capability, I was in heaven.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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I actually got my father a MOGA to go along with the EVO 3D I got him... and I'd actually even agree that it's support is far above and beyond the rest of those BT controllers... and I hope to see it get even more support because I'll likely get one for myself come January when my upgrade is available... but at the time being, not even the universal IME app brings it anywhere near being even a fourth of what the Xperia Play is.
From personal experience, I can vouch for the statement that it does greatly expand what it can be done outside of the pivot app, but it doesn't have all the specialized support Xperia Play has from having hardware menu navigation and all the precision of games tweaked to work especially with it's hardware, which results in cases like a *generic-converted* Eternal Legacy requiring an incredibly awkward form of still having to mostly use the touch-screen. While I didn't particularly find it as uncomfortable as poo-tang, the clip didn't really seem like it was designed to accomodate any kind of phone that has decent protection... meaning that my father was put in an awkward position where he'd either lose the convenience of his MOGA clip, or lose the protection of his EVO's ballistic case... this is particularly frustrating because I can use all the high-end protection that I want without sacrificing. Then the actual pivot app itself and the games involved don't seem entirely foolproof without all the tweaking options Xperia Play's given... NOVA 3, for example, has more natural feeling aiming... and all that aside, it's missing a major method of locomotion control by lacking that d-pad (which is a huge deal for precise input in 2D games). On a lesser note, I was quite shocked to find that it uses AAA batteries as opposed to having a rechargeable lithium like iControlPad does.
I do like the MOGA a lot more than other solutions because - honestly - even with all the minuses, there's still no other option on the market that allows well-done controls outside of just emulating tons of old content. Any cheap piece of plastic can emulate nowadays but the Xperia Play brought something truly special where we could play present-gen games like Wild Blood with physical controls, and the MOGA's actually picking up a lot of support for that audience with striking momentum. For that I give the MOGA credit above the iControlPad, Gametel, 60Beat, Red Samurai, Nyko Playpad and all others... but it's got a looooooong way to go before it's up there with Xperia Play... and with the ever-lasting hardware limitation (plus the burden of pairing per every game session), it may not even be possible that the MOGA can ever be up there with Xperia Play.

I will definitely agree that the lack of a true dpad is a disadvantage. There is a larger edition coming out later that has one built in, but its bigger which is both good and bad, but at least theres a choice I guess.
One thing that has actually made it not bad at all for me is the analog stick is very sensitive so as soon as there is any movement at all to either the left or right axis it registers immediately, something Metal Slug on my phone can attest to. I am not just saying this, platformers have not been an issue at all. What kind of case does your father use? I am using the shell/holster combo case and have not had it have problems.
I have never been a fan of shooters on the play, touch pad was always a frustrating experience at best and a nightmare at worse, at least for fps's. Twin Stick shooter kick ass on the play.
You mention a "everlasting hardware limitation" could you elaborate? Wouldn't the same apply to any game console, even the play? In other words, you can't upgrade hardware with an ota, which I know you know Im just illustrating my point.
Pushing the power button and then opening the pivot/universal ime app is a bit less seamless than sliding out the gamepad but I don't think it takes away from the experience. I have the whole process down to about 5 seconds before I pick my game.