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Sarcasm, haha laugh a little.
But really, do you guys notice that it takes a long time for the battery to charge?
I think when available, I'll buy a bunch of batteries just to have handy.
well the battery is 1500mAh the nexus charged pretty quickly but it was 1400mAh i am not sure how much difference 100mAh will make on charging the battery but that could be a possibility.
Charging with the computer will always be slower, if that's what you're using.
I wonder if its the charger. The provided charger has an output rating of 0.7A. I know some microusb chargers I have seen are rated as high as 1.0A. That could be the difference.
soklean said:
well the battery is 1500mAh the nexus charged pretty quickly but it was 1400mAh i am not sure how much difference 100mAh will make on charging the battery but that could be a possibility.
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I was thinking the same thing...hhmm could 100mAh make that much of a difference?
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Charging with the computer will always be slower, if that's what you're using.
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I always try to avoid using the computer to charge my phone. It just seems to take awfully long even plugged into the wall.
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I wonder if its the charger. The provided charger has an output rating of 0.7A. I know some microusb chargers I have seen are rated as high as 1.0A. That could be the difference.
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Interesting...that could be. However, maybe it's 0.7A for a reason? Perhaps the battery needs to have it at that "flow rate." ???
We did get a different charger over the i9000, they had a separate USB cable and microUSB wall charger. We obviously don't have that setup.
Some phones have Li-Pol batteries and they have to charge differently. This could be why it's taking so long to recharge.
check a tmobile store or website for the new portable micro usb charger. charges your phone on the go and recharges itself via a usb charger the vibrant ships with or your computer. i got mine and was a lifesaver the other night when i needed to leave my house with 10% charged.
I hate saying this, but: I literally LOL'd from the title of this thread.
I completely agree. Charging takes fuggin' forever. My guess would be that turning the device off helps speed this up, tremendously. But of course, who wants to do that?
That said, battery life has been impressively long, provided you turn off Samsung's widgets. :/
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Interesting...that could be. However, maybe it's 0.7A for a reason? Perhaps the battery needs to have it at that "flow rate." ???
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That would be a huge design oversight if a generic charger caused problems with the battery. I'm sure Samsung thought about the user charging with a generic charger.
Mine charges pretty fast I'm using the usb that came with the moto cliq
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Mine charges pretty fast I'm using the usb that came with the moto cliq
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How fast is fast, iceshinobi?
I have conditioned my battery twice and going from empty with the phone off and pluged into the wall not via usb-pc, took me over 4hrs each time.
If the charger is 0.7 going to a 1.0 would be a huge improvement. The only worry would be the extra heat and problems that might cause. With NiMH batteries quick charging is preferable to slow charging, is this the same for Li-ion?
came here for insight as well, woke up at like 5am, phone was almost dead, 10% battery or so
turned it off, plugged it in to the wall charger and it is now 8am and it is maybe 60-70% charged
what the hell?
with my g1 turned off i can go from 0 to 100% charge in like an hour or so using a USB port. now i know the battery is smaller but c'mon... this is ridiculous.
Could it be that the phone just has to break in? When I first got G1 it would take about 4 hours to charge I remember, now a year and a half later I can get it to 80-90 percent in 1 and a half.
The computer USB standard is 100 to 500 milliamp, the USB walloulet adapter (charger) Is 700 milliamp, our batteries are 1500 milliamp and that's why.
USB cables have a certain standards witch includes voltage and current standards.
If you want a fast charger look for a hard wired 1000-1200 milliamp charger with a micro USB connector on ebay.
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The computer USB standard is 100 to 500 milliamp, the USB walloulet adapter (charger) Is 700 milliamp, our batteries are 1500 milliamp and that's why.
USB cables have a certain standards witch includes voltage and current standards.
If you want a fast charger look for a hard wired 1000-1200 milliamp charger with a micro USB connector on ebay.
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Interesting...having a 1000+ milliamp charger shouldn't cause heat issues would it for pumping in more juice at a higher rate?
Like many of you guys, I have custom built my own PC. Yeah, it's a little outdated with a Q6600 but it will do for a good year or two more. Good thing I bought a Quad Core. But anyways, getting back to topic, you guys should realize that the Power Output of the front two USB ports are not the same as the USB ports that are in the back. This is a fact as far as my system is concerned. I know because I use a Lacie External drive which will only power on with the rear USB ports.
If you charge the SGS with the included wall charger, it will charge up in about 4 hours. When I leave it on my front USB port, I would wake up in the morning only to find it 60-70 percent full.
PS - I am amazed by the battery of this thing. Here is the break down. I fully charged by 1am. Took it off... then started using it quite a bit till around 3am ish. When I went to bed, the charge was at 72 percent. I work up 6 hours later and guess what, it was at 69 percent. Pretty neat.
The USB 2.0 only requires that a motherboard provides 150mA to a single port (& 500mA to 5 ports). Where as a chargers don't conform to this standard and provides a much higher charge, which charges your battery much quicker.
Only use USB if you have nothing esle.
The wall charger that came with the SGS is a 700mA. I just ordered a 1000mA wall and car charger.
The more I use this phone the more I am amazed by it. The Battery life on this thing is really great. It's already been close to 12 hours (11:30) and the battery is now finally at 49%
I've used this phone quite a bit and the battery held up really well. I used Let's Golf, Navigation, Armored Strike, Calls, Texts, Gmail... Good stuff.
So your telling me if i get a charger with more mA it will charge faster? Where can i get a bigger mA charger.
I don't know, but my battery charges fast as hell. It goes up about 5% in 20 minutes.
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So your telling me if i get a charger with more mA it will charge faster? Where can i get a bigger mA charger.
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Yes.
Mono Price is great.
Car charger (1000mA)
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10826&cs_id=1082602&p_id=3523&seq=1&format=2
Wall charger
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10311&cs_id=1031106&p_id=6767&seq=1&format=2
then pic a cord length
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307
Ebay has tons also, just search and look at the specs. You want to make sure it says 1A or 1000mA
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I don't know, but my battery charges fast as hell. It goes up about 5% in 20 minutes.
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5% in 20mins, that's 15% per Hr, or 6.5 hrs from empty to full. You are happy with about 6.5 hrs for a full charge?
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5% in 20mins, that's 15% per Hr, or 6.5 hrs from empty to full. You are happy with about 6.5 hrs for a full charge?
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LOL , kids today are inept when it comes to arithmetic but cmon...
Aight more like 10% every 20 minutes, lol. I didn't know this was a math class, sorry. It is the summer you know -_________________________________-.
will it hurt the battery life or shorten the amount of time you can use the battery if you use a higher mA? because if it wont then why didnt Samsung just include a 1000mA charger with it?
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will it hurt the battery life or shorten the amount of time you can use the battery if you use a higher mA? because if it wont then why didnt Samsung just include a 1000mA charger with it?
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It will do neither.
read this. Gives some basics on Li-ion batteries. link
Essentially these batts can and should be charged at 1C c=capacity. Our batts are 1500mA so we could and should charge at 1500mA.
Slower charging is fine but these batteries rely on circuitry recognizing a drop in voltage to turn the charge off, or down to a lower current as to not damage the battery. If you charge at a higher rate the drop in voltage is more obvious than with a lower voltage and harder to miss thus less chance of an overcharge and battery damage. Added bonus is the battery charges quicker
Over charging is the killer of batteries. Overcharge occurs more from circuitry missing a change in voltage and failing to terminate.
Hope this helps.
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will it hurt the battery life or shorten the amount of time you can use the battery if you use a higher mA? because if it wont then why didnt Samsung just include a 1000mA charger with it?
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If you were an engineer and could save the company one cent, how would you do it? That was about one cent worth of cooper in the charger times ten million devices.you just made your year end bonus.
A dedicated chip inside the phone regulates the battery charge.
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Yes.
Mono Price is great.
Car charger (1000mA)
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10826&cs_id=1082602&p_id=3523&seq=1&format=2
Wall charger
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10311&cs_id=1031106&p_id=6767&seq=1&format=2
then pic a cord length
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307
Ebay has tons also, just search and look at the specs. You want to make sure it says 1A or 1000mA
5% in 20mins, that's 15% per Hr, or 6.5 hrs from empty to full. You are happy with about 6.5 hrs for a full charge?
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I just visited the links you put up and chatted with the live chat team and they have no cables currently for the vibrant ?
where did you find it on the site
thanks
HOw many mA is the charger the phone came with?
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I just visited the links you put up and chatted with the live chat team and they have no cables currently for the vibrant ?
where did you find it on the site
thanks
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all you need is a USB - Micro USB cable.
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HOw many mA is the charger the phone came with?
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700 mA. See the info panel on the charger, it'll tell you.
So a charger with more mA will charge my phone faster i assume? I wont loose any battery capicaty right? It wil charge the same amount just faster i assume?
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So a charger with more mA will charge my phone faster i assume? I wont loose any battery capicaty right? It wil charge the same amount just faster i assume?
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Its obvious you didn't even bother reading 6 POSTS up. This thread isn't even a full 2 pages, stop being lazy.
So I bought my car charger (cigarette adapter + separate usb cable) from
"Mono Price".
Specs:
PID:3523 Car Charger (Cigarette Lighter) to USB Female Converter - Black
PID:5139 USB 2.0 A Male to Micro 5pin Male 28/28AWG Cable - 10ft
Very weird thing is happening, instead of charging my phone it drains it .
The battery icon moves back and forth as if it is charging but it drains my battery relativity fast.
5 mins using the car charger I lost 25% of battery life .
Does anyone know why this is happening ?
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The more I use this phone the more I am amazed by it. The Battery life on this thing is really great. It's already been close to 12 hours (11:30) and the battery is now finally at 49%
I've used this phone quite a bit and the battery held up really well. I used Let's Golf, Navigation, Armored Strike, Calls, Texts, Gmail... Good stuff.
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How...? I am on my third Vibrant and i last 6-7 hours...
Just for ****s and giggles. I decided to use my Turbo Charger on all Moto Devices. My Acer A-200 went from 20% to 100% in 30 minutes. I know The Acer is not Moto. Just saying. My Droid Turbo Went from 0% to 100% in Like 20 minutes. Did the same thing with my free tablet that Verizon added an xtra line to my bill which I did not know. The QMV7B which by the way I have already rooted. C'mon Turbo let's get our root on. But any hoot. The tab went from 10% to 100% also in 15 minutes. In theory does the Turbo pack work for all devices?
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Just for ****s and giggles. I decided to use my Turbo Charger on all Moto Devices. My Acer A-200 went from 20% to 100% in 30 minutes. I know The Acer is not Moto. Just saying. My Droid Turbo Went from 0% to 100% in Like 20 minutes. Did the same thing with my free tablet that Verizon added an xtra line to my bill which I did not know. The QMV7B which by the way I have already rooted. C'mon Turbo let's get our root on. But any hoot. The tab went from 10% to 100% also in 15 minutes. In theory does the Turbo pack work for all devices?
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I could be wrong, but the basic theory is you are shoving ALOT of amps down those batteries throats. The Droid Turbo battery is designed to handle this while the other devices...I dont know. My normal charger is 1A and I have a 2A charger in my car those devices are normally meant for Apple products. So mainly yeah the charger technically works and charges stuff fast, but it 'could' shorten the lifespan of your battery if it's not meant to handle that high a charge rate.
This is TERRIVKR!! DO NOT USA THE CHARGER ON OTHER PHONES. I WROTE a huge thing pm my phone about this. SwiftKey sucks ass on xda and idk why. Not correcting any of its mistakes (hit back button by accident and that erased what I originally wrote) . This is no new technology and it's just some bull money maker. It's terrible for batteries and can cause them toeexplod. It mmakes the turbo hot wwhen charging it..... You don't want that junk. I refuse to use this charger.
I had read the bundled charger will charge non quick charge 2.0 compatible devices at normal rates. Your tests are indicating otherwise.
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This is TERRIVKR!! DO NOT USA THE CHARGER ON OTHER PHONES. I WROTE a huge thing pm my phone about this. SwiftKey sucks ass on xda and idk why. Not correcting any of its mistakes (hit back button by accident and that erased what I originally wrote) . This is no new technology and it's just some bull money maker. It's terrible for batteries and can cause them toeexplod. It mmakes the turbo hot wwhen charging it..... You don't want that junk. I refuse to use this charger.
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The Turbo's battery is designed to charge fast, it's similar anode coating technology used in the battery banks of electric vehicles to give them a quick charge. All Li-Ion batteries have internal power management circuitry (PMIC) that are designed to charge that battery responsibly and prevent thermal runaway. That being said, I would not charge a device at a higher amperage than it is designed for, these PMICs are not infallible and thermal runaway can still occur. So to the OP: I would stick to using the charger that came with the respective device you are charging, a venting Li-Ion battery's gasses turns into hydrofluoric acid when it makes contact with water, ie the moisture in your throat and lungs. Not worth the hospital visit for ****s and giggles!
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I could be wrong, but the basic theory is you are shoving ALOT of amps down those batteries throats. The Droid Turbo battery is designed to handle this while the other devices...I dont know. My normal charger is 1A and I have a 2A charger in my car those devices are normally meant for Apple products. So mainly yeah the charger technically works and charges stuff fast, but it 'could' shorten the lifespan of your battery if it's not meant to handle that high a charge rate.
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The Turbo (or other Quick charge compatible chargers) DO NOT do their thing because of higher amperage, they use higher VOLTAGE the lower the battery's reported discharge. If you looks at the words printed on your charger you will see that it operates at three different voltages but always the same maximum amperage (1.4-1.6 amps) which is still lower than the amperage provided by newer Samsung chargers (2 amps). It starts high voltage then steps down as the battery fills. There is also circuitry in the charger itself that checks to see if a Qualcomm chipset is present that can handle the new charging logic.
Here is a list of devices and chargers that can "quick" charge https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdragon/2014/06/04/quick-charge-20-has-arrived. If it doesn't have Qualcomm snapdragon, the device will just use the charger as a normal 5v 1.6 amp charger.
And more quick charge info: http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-explained-563838/
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I had read the bundled charger will charge non quick charge 2.0 compatible devices at normal rates. Your tests are indicating otherwise.
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You are correct, the bundled charger specifically states on the charging block the amperage that it will provide various devices. I charged my droid bionic with it, took normal time.
Hello friends,
So I just got my Note 4 and i'm wondering how long should I keep it in charge for the first time? And should I drain it on first use or charge it when it's at let's say 20%??
Thanks in advance.
14 hrs, dont drain, battery should be between 20-80% before charging in normal use, fast charge off.
@zurkx
Thanks for the reply.
Are you sure about the 14 hours??? I thought Li-ion batteries don't need that long of a charging time !!!
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@zurkxAre you sure about the 14 hours??? I thought Li-ion batteries don't need that long of a charging time !!!
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Please happily ignore that "advices".
Use Fast charge, charging takes exactly till the battery is full, that's about 1,5 hours for a full charge.
I don't see ANY sense in charging a LiIo battery "fuller than full", just impossible nonsense.
LiIo batteries suffer of aging, slightly increased by the number of charges, highly (!) increased by overheating, not of any memory effects.
There is NO "breaking in" of the Note 4s battery, amperage of fast charge doesn't come even near the safety limits, won't cause quick degradation or overheating.
So just don't listen go the immortal myths and "ancient wisdom" propagated by people not aware of the fact that battery technology indeed changed over the decades.
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Please happily ignore that "advices".
Use Fast charge, charging takes exactly till the battery is full, that's about 1,5 hours for a full charge.
I don't see ANY sense in charging a LiIo battery "fuller than full", just impossible nonsense.
LiIo batteries suffer of aging, slightly increased by the number of charges, highly (!) increased by overheating, not of any memory effects.
There is NO "breaking in" of the Note 4s battery, amperage of fast charge doesn't come even near the safety limits, won't cause quick degradation or overheating.
So just don't listen go the immortal myths and "ancient wisdom" propagated by people not aware of the fact that battery technology indeed changed over the decades.
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Thanks Chefprol.I have done some research on charging the battery and have come to a conclusion that once it's charged I can use it straight away but and then drain it to 18 to 20% then charge it fully.
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Please happily ignore that "advices".
Use Fast charge, charging takes exactly till the battery is full, that's about 1,5 hours for a full charge.
I don't see ANY sense in charging a LiIo battery "fuller than full", just impossible nonsense.
LiIo batteries suffer of aging, slightly increased by the number of charges, highly (!) increased by overheating, not of any memory effects.
There is NO "breaking in" of the Note 4s battery, amperage of fast charge doesn't come even near the safety limits, won't cause quick degradation or overheating.
So just don't listen go the immortal myths and "ancient wisdom" propagated by people not aware of the fact that battery technology indeed changed over the decades.
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Thanks ! i tought it would be a old myth to first drain the batery and then fully load it but as far as i know its only with old phones and mp3 players and such.
hope i will get my note 4 today ! waiting for it since monday
Fast Charge is not really a useful feature for me, it just hurts the battery more in the long run
what about the thoughts on conditioning the battery?
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There's no need to condition the battery, its a lithium battery.
If you're having battery drain issues I would suggest you clear your data cache.
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what about the thoughts on conditioning the battery?
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this is the same guy making up stuff about the note 4 GPS being bad.
dont listen to fools.
First charge needs to be 14 hours to trickle charge the battery to full and make sure the meter is calibrated to a full battery.
fast charge does reduce battery life since it charges at higher voltage and amperage. any battery gets damaged a little by that. best is a slow charge (preferably Qi) at a normal charging voltage. Slower the better for longer battery life. if you want convenience over battery life then by all means fast charge and mess it up and replace after 2-3 years.
Who's post are you referring to?
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this is the same guy making up stuff about the note 4 GPS being bad.
dont listen to fools.
First charge needs to be 14 hours to trickle charge the battery to full and make sure the meter is calibrated to a full battery.
fast charge does reduce battery life since it charges at higher voltage and amperage. any battery gets damaged a little by that. best is a slow charge (preferably Qi) at a normal charging voltage. Slower the better for longer battery life. if you want convenience over battery life then by all means fast charge and mess it up and replace after 2-3 years.
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Who's post are you referring to?
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It's mine. That guy already bumped into me a while ago, now it's time for his revenge.
I'll care for that, now...
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this is the same guy making up stuff about the note 4 GPS being bad.
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So here we go; you asked for it...
My critism about the Note 4 refers to it's GPS receiver, which is "deaf" compared to the competition and shows frequent signal drops.
More here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/gps-close-to-unusable-t2948602
dont listen to fools.
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Indeed - have a look:
First charge needs to be 14 hours to trickle charge the battery to full and make sure the meter is calibrated to a full battery.
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I already advised to realize this is 2014 battery technology, not the ancient batteries of the past.
Short: There is no "trickle charge" with Lithium-Ion-batteries.
See this: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries - quote: "The difference lies in a higher voltage per cell, tighter voltage tolerance and the absence of trickle or float charge at full charge."
fast charge does reduce battery life since it charges at higher voltage and amperage. any battery gets damaged a little by that.
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Quote: "The charge rate of a typical consumer Li-ion battery is between 0.5 and 1C in Stage 1, and the charge time is about three hours. Manufacturers recommend charging the 18650 cell at 0.8C or less."
"C" is the capacity, 3220 mAh with our Note 4's battery. So we're save to charge with a current (milliamperes, "mA") of up to 3220 mA - if we follow the manufacturer's advice for the older type of batteries of that kind (18650 is an old warrior in the field), there's still 2576 A left.
So what does our fast charge supply deliver ? Look at it's ratings: 5 V, 2 A (2000 mA).
So even fast charge is far below the limits - our real limit is 3220 mA, but fast charging just uses 2000 mA.
Sound and safe.
Wonder about me highlighting "higher voltage" in zurkx's highly elaborate statement in red ? - Answer is above: The voltage does NOT change, it is NOT higher. Of course not !
The worst enemies of LiIon batteries are heat and age.
Heat is generated by a) placing the device at a hot spot (like behind the car's windscreen or in bright sunlight), b) by using demanding features like 4K video recording or highend games, c) by charging .
a) Your call. Just don't let your Note get hot. Overheating destroys your battery in no time. We're lucky we've got an exchangeable battery - so nothing to really worry about.
b) Your call. See a).
c) Charging produces some heat, especially on the "last mile", when the battery is "almost full", because the battery is a bit reluctant of getting charged up to the brim. So more heat is generated in that last phase. It's not much, won't reach the safety limits. It just can't, because the build-in charging circuits limits the current if heat gets up.
By the way: That integrated charging circuits are propped with safety measures, checking charge, condition, temperature and the like.
So even if you hook up a charger capable of providing 20 whopping amperes, the circuits just won't let that happen.
There is no way of providing the battery too much current; it's automatically limited.
best is a slow charge (preferably Qi) at a normal charging voltage. Slower the better for longer battery life.
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Again; welcome to the 21st century. We don't need any slow charge. It's the opposite.
Charging right slow has the danger that apps on the phone draw more power than the charge provides. That may drain your battery instead of filling it.
Plus: If you hook up the charger for long, it will be recharged (charge gets "topped off") frequenly. And every new charging attempt has a slightly negative impact on the battery's life; it's like wearing it a bit down. - Charge often, reduce your battery's life. That damage is tiny, by the way. But it is there, so hooking up your charger for many hours slowly kills your battery.
Now for the aging:
if you want convenience over battery life then by all means fast charge and mess it up and replace after 2-3 years.
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LiIon battery ARE AGING, up from the time of manufacture.
You all know that: You charge a device like you're told by the instructions - but after 1 to 3 years you notice a severe drop of usage time, a drop of capacity.
That's aging.
NOTHING you can do against that but buying a new battery.
So your battery will lose it's capacity over time; if you use it or not. You all know that, you all experienced that.
With the Note 4, we can happily buy a new battery if the old one runs out; it's that simple. But as a normal Li Ion battery reaches it's shelf live after 2 or 3 years anyway, there's NO (!) need of burdening it and you with slow charge. The results are exactly the same, with the difference that you save precious time with fast charging.
And now allow me quoting again:
dont listen to fools.
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Have a nice day, all of you except one.
youre completely wrong.
The QuickCharge tech charges at higher VOLTAGE and AMPERAGE.
http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-explained-563838/
Quick Charge 2.0
Voltages 5v 5v / 9v / 12v
Max Current 2A 3A
Snapdragon 200, 400, 410, 615, 800, 801, 805
The rest is just BS as usual. You have no idea what youre talking about. Dumping 9V (Samsung Note 4 AFC) into a 5V battery makes it charge hotter and faster and degrades it significantly. After two weeks of fast charge i lost a small chunk off the top of my brand new battery.
just bad advice as usual.
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youre completely wrong.
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Yes, indeed. I was completely wrong by believing you'd understand some simple things.
In fact, I am not sure if I should take your statements for serious or just for a joke.
The QuickCharge tech charges at higher VOLTAGE and AMPERAGE.
Voltages 5v 5v / 9v / 12v
Max Current 2A 3A
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So you REALLY believe that changes of the output voltage of the POWER SUPPLY lead to the BATTERY charged with more volts ?
You can't be serious. That's technically impossible.
Let's put it easy:
If you insert your power supply into a 110 V receptacle in the USA, you get 5 V output.
So according to your "logic", using the same power supply in Europe (230 V) increases the voltage to 10 V ?
No. Just NO.
That higher POWER SUPPLY voltage is used for fulfilling the rule W = V * A (Watt = Volt * Ampere); just to be able to squeeze more power through the power supply's cable.
In the Note 4 and in the charging circuit, that voltage OF COURSE will be regulated down to the regular charging voltage - just with the benefit to carry more amperes.
So the CHARGING VOLTAGE stays the same; it does NOT follow the voltage supplied by the POWER SUPPLY. It never does.
So fast charging does NOT (read that: NOT !) increase the charging voltage. It cannot.
Got that now ? - Or do I need to put it ever more simple ?
It does not help using swearing words like "fool" or "bull****".
But it could help just saying: "Oh, sorry, I was wrong. - My apologies."
Make yourself at home with the basics of lithium ion and charging technology. THEN speak up.
Ah, overlooked something:
After two weeks of fast charge i lost a small chunk off the top of my brand new battery.
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1) Hope that chunk fell somewhere you were able to pick it up again.
2) How to you KNOW that ? I expect a detailled description about how you did the magic of finding out that your battery doesn't charge to 100 %.
3) If you KNEW that fast charging would kill your battery, wise man - why did you allegedly use the feature ? - Sorry, man... Your statements are not very trustworthy. I guess you never used that feature, just say so to strengthen your shaky point of view. Please don't mess with a perception psychologist.
4) If your battery really suffered, that might be due to your highly acclaimed and absolutely pointless 14-hours-charging-marathons, causing a permanent charge on/charge off cycle, weakening your battery.
So please just stop bashing a real useful feature of the Note 4. If you just love waiting ages for batteries to charge - your preference. But please stop spreading false facts about things you very obviously are not at home with.
And a last thing which might stop that aimless harassing fire of yours: I am HAM, a licenced amateur radio operator, holding the highest German licence class. These are the people who know a bit about volts and amperes.
how hard is it for you to understand that quickcharge 2.0 outputs higher VOLTAGE and AMPERAGE to charge the battery ? The charger charges the BATTERY AT 9V 1.67A up to 50% and then switches over to the regular 5V 2A charge rate. INPUT VOLTAGE (110V or 230V) has nothing to do with OUTPUT VOLTAGE. It charges the battery at 9V REGARDLESS of INPUT VOLTAGE.
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also it has nothing to do with the cable. you must be crazy if you think a cable issue exists whether you transfer 15W or 10W across it. the cable is rated for well beyond that. the reason for the higher voltage is that modern lithium ions can accept high voltage charge rates with limited damage at low amperage. the reason they cut it off at 50% is the battery would be severely damaged if you tried to charge it to 100% and overshot. so yes quickcharge 2.0 really does charge your battery at a higher voltage than it was designed to be charged at. and no they dont have a magical transformer on your phone to go from 9V to 5V. otherwise they would be using it all the time and fast charge 9V to 100%. the wall plug is the only thing which has a transformer and the phone uses what it gets from there. they arent going to build half of another wall plug (9V DC-DC) and stuff it into the phone. it would generate heat and add bulk. Instead the PMIC "spikes" the battery with higher voltage and keeps it roughly constant (load modulation) by communicating with the quickcharge 2.0 AFC on the other end.
Hopeless.
I just love these battery threads, there's always some muppet who says the battery needs conditioning and must first be charged for a suitably ridiculous length of time. When it's charged it's charged, lithium batteries have no memory effect so the idea of conditioning them is moronic
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yes they have no memory effect. why ? because you say so.
other people believe otherwise because they actually test things out for themselves :
http://www.psi.ch/media/memory-effect-now-also-found-in-lithium-ion-batteries
http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/03/li-ion-batteries-memory-effect
http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v12/n6/full/nmat3623.html
no need to keep it for 14 hours, as they said in the catalog you only need to charge it till it's full, then unplug the charger.
Hello again !
After all cooled down a bit, here's some more information about that dreaded HIGH VOLTAGE fast charging uses which seemingly makes some of you wet your pants.
First, there's an experiment you can do yourself. You don't need to do - but it's quite impressive and gives you some proof of the things I say.
Get two 9 V batteries; the small rectangle ones we all know. Connect the positive contact of the first battery with the negative contact of the second. Thus you get an 18 volts DC power source.
Get a thin, isolated wire, short-circuit the open contacts with the wire. Wait.
Nothing special will happen, maybe the wire will get a little warm - and your batteries will eventually die.
(If you use a VERY thing wires, it might heat up.)
Now take a length of the same wire, do the same using your car's battery (12 – 13.8 V DC).
WARNING !
1) Take the battery out of the car, set it on solid ground with nothing combustible near !!! Do NOT try this with the battery still in the car !!!
2) Use pliers to connect the wire with the battery contacts !!!
3) Do that OUTDOORS !!!
Short-circuit the battery contacts using the pliers with the wire.
You don't need to wait. The cable will turn into a smoking, burning, white-hot thing in an instant.
Huh ? - We've got 18 V with just nothing happening, we've got just 12 V wreaking instant havoc and destruction !?
Amperage is the key !
Voltage alone does not cause the destruction, it's the amperage.
9 V batteries cannot provide sufficient amperes for killing the wire; 12 V car batteries do.
Short: High amperage kills wires, high voltage doesn't.
So back to our topic...
To fast charge our Note 4's battery, we need power, watts. But the tiny wires in the Note 4 can't withstand a high wattage; they would heat up like the wire connected to the 12 V car battery.
So Samsung uses a little trick, according to Ohm's law: W = V * A, W is watts, V is volts, A is amperes.
So we can achieve a high wattage by EITHER using a higher voltage OR a higher amperage.
Higher amperage does not work because it will kill the tiny wires in the Note.
So Samsung raised the voltage for carrying more watts from the power supply via the internal Note 4's cabling to the charging circuit.
That higher voltage gets transformed down to the normal charging voltage at the charging circuit.
Your battery is charged with the usual voltage, but with the benefits of a higher amperage.
That's all the magic: That higher voltage is used to carry more wattage to the charging circuit, but not beyond. Nothing else.
And that's why it does not harm your battery; charging voltage will not change - your battery just gets charged faster, always monitored by the charging circuit which will lower the charge accordingly if needed, so your battery will always be safe. That's why the "last mile" (charge from about 92 % to 100 %) takes more time to charge - because the charging circuit automatically lowers the charge to protect your battery.
So don't be afraid of that higher voltage; it never reaches your battery, it is just a means for transferring higher wattage via tiny wires.
Note: You ever wondered why Europeans use 230 V instead of 110 V ? - That's the reason. Being able to carry more watts over regular power lines without risking the wires heating up too much. It's not a means of destruction, it's the opposite.
Hi all,
I got OnePlus wall Fast Charge Power Adapter from ebay, and i test it with factory cable, i found its higher then the official one
the official one its between 1730 -1800
and the after market from ebay Ebay its between 2700 -2900 my question is the higher amp will hurt the battery life ?
regards
How are you measuring this? Ive found my One plus phones will not charge rapidly with my current measuring device plugged between them and the phone.
Next every single device I have, the battery lasts longer when I slow charge them. (More time on each charge) I charge my devices generally between 0.3-0.5 amps.
OhioYJ said:
How are you measuring this? Ive found my One plus phones will not charge rapidly with my current measuring device plugged between them and the phone.
Next every single device I have, the battery lasts longer when I slow charge them. (More time on each charge) I charge my devices generally between 0.3-0.5 amps.
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by ampere app, i chat with oneplus they said its should be up to 4000 with the official charger
ananmatai said:
by ampere app, i chat with oneplus they said its should be up to 4000 with the official charger
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The charger uses 5V 4Amps. You should charge around 3000mAh below 75% after they it slows down.
Puddi_Puddin said:
The charger uses 5V 4Amps. You should charge around 3000mAh below 75% after they it slows down.
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thank you sir, i got surprise the official one not reaching 2000ma