For those not familiar - #NeverAgain Round 1 - May have brought you Froyo.
I was about to press "Submit New Thread" on the Official #NeverAgain Round 2 thread... but consulted those I consider wiser than me and was told to hold off.
At this point, I think I need to know how the community feels.
The reasons I felt strongly for now being a good time:
GB patches security holes (big for me), I want GB Source (CM7 w/ GPS) and I think Samsung would be hurting/listening if we REALLY DID NOT BUY THE TAB 10.1.
So, If #NeverAgain would work, it would take a COMMUNITY (BIG TIME) EFFORT, and it would take NOT buying the Tab 10.1. And telling people not to buy it. That was the whole intent before, we vowed to not buy their products based on lack of support.
A BIG reason to hold off on NeverAgain....
it honestly may not be Samsung to blame. WTF is going on with T-Mobile? Is the merger to blame?
This movement honesty may be better suited against/in addition towards T-Mobile.
It's in your hands.. you decide how we should handle it.
I just ask that you be respectful, think about it, and do not troll.
DO NOT JUST SAY YES WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE FUTURE.
EDIT: I posted the below comment after reading some posts...
Also.... I have thick skin. You are not going to hurt my feelings. I assure you, my only intention is to try and help this community.
Some thoughts from reading the comments:
Again, I'm not saying it's right, but it could help.
I felt like we should address it as a community, so the majority is on board. A movement doesn't work if it's not supported. By addressing it, having rational thought, we all win and are better off for it.
Sounds like the majority agree it's not right, or the right time. Good. Now the community needs to decide, what is next?
Wait? Question T Mobile? Assume we're the red headed step child of the Galaxy variants?
If not this... What?
s15274n said:
I was about to press "Submit New Thread" on the Official #NeverAgain Round 2 thread... but consulted those I consider wiser than me and was told to hold off.
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...Larry King?
^ not a thread for jokes.
Certain developers
I'm not sure I see what the Tab has to do with this? Honestly, they're pumping out so many new devices at this point I have trouble believing that they'd even care. I mean how many Vibrant owners are even left, I wonder.
Personally, I've already decided against another Samsung device since the first, and original fiasco. Not to mention the whole GPS thing. It's just not OK with me that I purchased a defective product and neither T-Mobile or Samsung seems to care. In fact it was like pulling teeth just getting a replacement device when something completely unrelated went wrong. This, of course, is T-Mobile's fault, but nevertheless it's BS. At this point T-Mobile will be lucky if I stay with them, especially with the Death Star lurking to buy them out. Ugh. I left ATT for greener pastures, dammit.
So, anyway, my point is I'm still riding the original NeverAgain train. Do whatever, I'm down to ***** and complain some more.
This should be a #NeverAgainTMobile thread. There are a bunch of leaks for other devices on other carriers and internationally, the SGS has GB in many countries.
Id hold off a bit to #NeverAgain Samsung. They gave devs some SGS2's and used open source drivers, etc.
They aren't the problem. Carriers are the problem.
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Def agreeing with this, #NeverAgain round two. I recently switched away from my Vibrant because of the lack of updates and support from Samsung. Its almost like we have to file a class action in order to get an update.
To top things off, they are continuing their "forced upgrade" mentality by releasing 2.3 for the SGS4G but nothing for the Vibrant, even though there is very little difference between them (its slightly different but minor).
Even worse, they think that because they gave ONE CM developer a SGSII that they have made up for all the mistakes they have made w/ previous devices, and publicized it like it was the second coming. What about the hundreds of developers that were working on SGS devices before the CM team wanted anything to do with Galaxy S devices (TeamHacksung needed to make an entirely seperate git for their port of CM).
Personally, I am done with Samsung, but I have a bunch of friends and family that are using Samsung Android devices that shouldn't get left behind
So.... #NeverAgain
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This should be a #NeverAgainTMobile thread. There are a bunch of leaks for other devices on other carriers and internationally, the SGS has GB in many countries.
Id hold off a bit to #NeverAgain Samsung. They gave devs some SGS2's and used open source drivers, etc.
They aren't the problem. Carriers are the problem.
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They gave ONE developer a SGSII, and ignored everyone else. Also, a leak is not a official update, and doesnt make it to the majority of users. They need to officially update via KIES or an OTA. Lastly, TMobile just updated the SGS4G to 2.3.3, so the issue is still almost entirely Samsung's IMO. None of the US variants have an official release, and considering the phone is not even a year old, thats pathetic.
We haven't gotten ANYTHING from TMO or Samsung.
"but we got GPS" that leak was for Vibrant4G we're just lucky it worked for us.
Definitely. [insert french accent here] We're the resistance!
I think something needs to be said. EVERY other SGS device has Gingerbread except us. WHY? I think we deserve to know why we aren't being supported. Whether it's because of the merger or something else entirely.
Well I'll get flack for this, but I say no!
I mean, they gave in for Froyo, but lets face it. When we buy our Phones, don't go into the sell for what they might do or get.. but for what they can do at the time of sell...
the other reason, Samsung has shown support to the Dev's in recent events & starting another campaign to me is like spitting in there eye.. You also have to remember TMO Dropped the Vibrant for the Vibrant 4G, so any support / updates are carrier dependent but samsung might update it... who knows....
Just my 2 cents & not worth much, just give them a bit more time.
~Eugene
This is exactly what I mean.
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Well I'll get flack for this, but I say no!
I mean, they gave in for Froyo, but lets face it. When we buy our Phones, don't go into the sell for what they might do or get.. but for what they can do at the time of sell...
the other reason, Samsung has shown support to the Dev's in recent events & starting another campaign to me is like spitting in there eye.. You also have to remember TMO Dropped the Vibrant for the Vibrant 4G
Just my 2 cents & not worth much, just give them a bit more time.
~Eugene
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You also have to remember TMO Dropped the Vibrant for the Vibrant 4G, so any support / updates are carrier dependent but samsung might update it... who knows....
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I think they still sell the vibrant. regardless I see no harm from giving then some pressure. why not try to squeeze at least one more update out of them?
Im with CallipH but im also with Eugene, its kind of weird that they started on updates for every other device except the Vibrant, but maybe their doing there work in order. Like i think the Epic 4G was the first phone to see a leak, now the Captivate, most likely it'll be the Fascinate next then us Last. I see it as "Better Late Than Never". It'd be cool if it was early like with FROYO but we just have to hope we get it and if we don't get GINGERBREAD the obvious reason is the Galaxy S 4G. Thats the only possible and reasonable reason. But all we can do is wait and see. Patience is the Key.
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I think something needs to be said. EVERY other SGS device has Gingerbread except us. WHY? I think we deserve to know why we aren't being supported. Whether it's because of the merger or something else entirely.
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Couldn't agree more.
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The leaks were not leaked by Samsung for you. They were leaked by Samfirware.com. They are NOT meant for public release. I don't know why everyone is saying other phones have Gingerbread... because they don't. Only the I9000 has Gingerbread.
I do not think Never again is the right format, Maybe a better format is "We are the loyal and you want to keep us that way heralding Samsung as the Phone of Phones"
I think this may be a better tact and if they do not respond Then go the #neveragain......attack..........
my 2 cents........
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The leaks were not leaked by Samsung for you. They were leaked by Samfirware.com. They are NOT meant for public release. I don't know why everyone is saying other phones have Gingerbread... because they don't. Only the I9000 has Gingerbread.
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Yeah i knew before they even released the Galaxy S 4G leak what was going down. I didn't know that there was no builds yet for the Vibrant. But its weird that no one has started building Gingy for the Vibe yet, I think a lot of people know that these aren't official or even released by Samsung but by Samfirmware, I suppose their suspicious of why the Vibrant don't even have a build yet when we were the first to see FROYO. Or was it the Captivate? I don't remember but we were 1st or 2nd.
I think the real problem with #NeverAgain is that Samsung makes some really great devices. The Tab 10.1 and the SGS II are the best tablet and phone, respectively. Saying that I won't buy them when they blow the competition out of the water is tough.
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The leaks were not leaked by Samsung for you. They were leaked by Samfirware.com. They are NOT meant for public release. I don't know why everyone is saying other phones have Gingerbread... because they don't. Only the I9000 has Gingerbread.
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Great point, but would they start development to abandon it half way? They will at least get it at some point, where as we have no evidence that they've even started for us. I'm all in for neveragain.
vinnydakid said:
I think the real problem with #NeverAgain is that Samsung makes some really great devices. The Tab 10.1 and the SGS II are the best tablet and phone, respectively. Saying that I won't buy them when they blow the competition out of the water is tough.
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Principles. You need them.
I was thinking the same thing with the neveragain round 2, I say just wait a little bit longer, maybe till the beginning of next month and then do it, there is nothing to lose, they need to put pressure on t-mobile since I'm sure its all t-mobile's fault due to all these new phones coming out.
but instead of ssaying we won't buy a galaxy tab 10.1 just say anything samsung branded
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Samsung should take notes from Motorola.
The Droid 2 is breaking records in sales, mostly due to
marketing the Android 2.2 software and UI. Samsung has to hurry and get Froyo to the masses of Galaxy S owners and sell the hell out of it.
They have to keep up with the Jonses in order to sell these phones.
I think T-Mobile should step in and push this with their partners and have a huge re-launch of the phone. The vibrant is a great phone It just needs better marketing and cutting edge UI.
What do you think?
That's why it's called Samsung and T-mobile.
I'm thinking Samsung will announce something at IFA, which starts September 2nd. Their twitter keeps saying they're making a lot of big announcements. I'm hoping to get a definitive date for froyo then or at very least, the GPS fix.
Yeah I definetly agree with you. These Galaxy S phones have the hardware, but not the killer software to match it.
I was set on buying an iPhone, because I had no clue a phone like this even existed on my network.
But Samsung is by no means stupid and have been making some really indicative suggestions that we will be seeing some big changes in software in the next couple of months.
I'm more than sure that we will get Froyo, GPS fixes, and more by the end of September.
WHAT?!?!
FIRST:
the X doesn't have froyo. They have a leaked version with piss poor benchmarks.
SECOND:
the galaxy is always having a commercial on tv.
Their also selling very well.
He's referring to the "Droid 2", not the "Droid X."
I think that us techno gadget geeks here on xda certainly care about Froyo. But out of all the people I know that are in the market for a new smart phone, or actually have android phones, they don't care about froyo, or even really know what that is if you mentioned it. I think the masses care about getting on facebook and taking a picture with their phone, etc... I think the silly things like having avatar on it are a bigger selling point to the masses compared to which version of android it has on it.
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I think that us techno gadget geeks here on xda certainly care about Froyo. But out of all the people I know that are in the market for a new smart phone, or actually have android phones, they don't care about froyo, or even really know what that is if you mentioned it. I think the masses care about getting on facebook and taking a picture with their phone, etc... I think the silly things like having avatar on it are a bigger selling point to the masses compared to which version of android it has on it.
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i'm lost, you want to put food on your phone and that is supposed to be a selling point...
People don't even know what android is. They go around asking if that's the droid phone. I'm sure they aren't aware of different versions of software or why it matters.
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People don't even know what android is. They go around asking if that's the droid phone. I'm sure they aren't aware of different versions of software or why it matters.
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Lol. I get that all the time, I switched from the iphone 4 to the vibrant and everyone of my friends calls it a droid. Verizon spent alot of money on marketing, but i guess any "droid" exposure is good.
Yeah + let's not forget motorola's other phones sitting on 1.5 with blur...even the behold 2 got 1.6 lol nothing to strive for
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LOL get the same thing.
Google was probably so pissed Motorola.
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I think that us techno gadget geeks here on xda certainly care about Froyo. But out of all the people I know that are in the market for a new smart phone, or actually have android phones, they don't care about froyo, or even really know what that is if you mentioned it. I think the masses care about getting on facebook and taking a picture with their phone, etc... I think the silly things like having avatar on it are a bigger selling point to the masses compared to which version of android it has on it.
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I agree, I think that most people want to hear "it's like an iphone" not "it's running android 2.2 with a 1ghz blah blah blah...."
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dabezt1 said:
Lol. I get that all the time, I switched from the iphone 4 to the vibrant and everyone of my friends calls it a droid. Verizon spent alot of money on marketing, but i guess any "droid" exposure is good.
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Ha. Same here. People at work ask me questions about my "droid phone". My co-worker said she almost bought a droid the other day. I asked her which one and she said, "you know, the droid phone," as if there's only one. I've explained to them before what android is but it clearly doesn't sink in. I think its safe to say most people that aren't tech nerds are clueless. Even my iphone sporting friends don't know what Android is.
Pretty much they only care can about the surface stuff really. My brother in law has a news girlfriend who had a hero and didn't even know about the market on it at all. She didn't even know it was android.
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Yea I will have to agree that the mainstream consumer isn't going to know what version of android they're running/if they have an android phone/care about updates. All they're going to see is the big screen and avatar on the vibrant and want to buy it. The tmobile store demos has a little sign listing the specs like 1ghz processor but a good mass of people won't have a clue what that even means.
Hopefully froyo comes in September because I decided to not go the rooting route this time and just patiently wait it out. I would be annoyed if they waited until the fascinate came out to release froyo.
Where do you see the Droid 2 is breaking sales records? Have you seen the numbers for Galaxy S phones? They expect to sell 10 MILLION over the next 12 months. That's more than iPhone 4 by itself. Samsung has got the Galaxy S on pretty much every provider in every country, I would have to call that pretty damned good marketing. The fact that a few hundred or every a few thousand people are chomping at the bit for Froyo doesn't even begin to move the needle enough for them to even care. The fact that they are moving forward and will be pushing updates and Froyo soon enough means that all the gearheads like us will be recommending the phone to everyone we know.
Missing the boat? I beg to differ, I would say they built the damned boat this year and are fully in charge of its direction.
I really don't understand how the OP says that Samsung is missing the boat with Froyo. They already announced that it will be released in the early part of Sep. A few extra weeks won't KILL YOU!
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I really don't understand how the OP says that Samsung is missing the boat with Froyo. They already announced that it will be released in the early part of Sep. A few extra weeks won't KILL YOU!
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No, it won't kill us, but it will make me think about getting another Samsung.
If Samsung wants to add TouchWiz on their phones, then they should be prepared to react quickly when a new OS upgrade arrives. They've certainly had enough time before the Froyo original announcement.
The fact that they are lagging behind with what is supposed to be their flagship device, makes me nervous about how long it will take for the upgrade to OS 3.0, which will be a much more significant upgrade.
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No, it won't kill us, but it will make me think about getting another Samsung.
If Samsung wants to add TouchWiz on their phones, then they should be prepared to react quickly when a new OS upgrade arrives. They've certainly had enough time before the Froyo original announcement.
The fact that they are lagging behind with what is supposed to be their flagship device, makes me nervous about how long it will take for the upgrade to OS 3.0, which will be a much more significant upgrade.
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What makes you think they will ever upgrade the galaxy s lineup to 3.0?
Being a previous samsung owner (behold 2) I don't think that the first galaxy s line will get it. Why??? Cause samsung is already in the process of making a second galaxy s line. Just like in the armed forces how they send out the army first(vibrant, epic, captivate) then the navy, then air forces. Well that's what samsung is doing. If you think I'm just spitting out bull check out the new galaxy s phone sprint is about to get. It is keyboard less and is coming out months after the epic 4g. Why would they need 2 galaxy s phones when they already have 1 with a keyboard and an evo???
I truly think we are gonna get froyo in october but nothing after that. I'm not mad though I'm just gonna get a g2 but this is crazy how phone companies operate these days all due to android fragmentation.
Link to new galaxy s for sprint
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/30/samsung-transform-kyocera-zio-headed-to-sprint/
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Meh, the dev scene should be fully up and running by that point. Personally at that point I couldn't care less if Samsung doesn't update.
They've already proven that they don't give a **** about their appearance in the world (really, you ship a broken phone to four carriers in the US and to ~30 other countries around the world and expect anyone to take you seriously), so let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
Just my $.02
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Meh, the dev scene should be fully up and running by that point. Personally at that point I couldn't care less if Samsung doesn't update.
They've already proven that they don't give a **** about their appearance in the world (really, you ship a broken phone to four carriers in the US and to ~30 other countries around the world and expect anyone to take you seriously), so let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
Just my $.02
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yeah, I've pretty much bought my last Samsung product. With ViewSonic entering the TV market and LG having as good a picture quality as Samsung already I don't need them for that, and as for phones/tablets? Well fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.
Im calling tmobile and emailing executive support to get a refund or a replacement with a g2
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Im calling tmobile and emailing executive support to get a refund or a replacement with a g2
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Good for you. And again, like everyone else, thank you so much for sharing your personal shopping preferences with us. Without well thought out, logical, factual, and rational statements such as yours the world would be a much worse place to live in. I am sure I speak for everyone here in thanking you for letting us know where you stand and that your presence will truly be missed in the Vibrant community.
We hope you will enjoy your new bug-free,super awesome, no problems at all G2 that is sure to have Honeycomb as soon as it is available as well.
Boohoo. Stop flooding this forum with stupid topics when there is already plenty others.
If you care so much about getting the newest OS on your phone, go get a N1 or N2 I am sure you will get the newest OS as soon as it came out.
Ibtl
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And a HUGE boo hoo back at the 4 crybabies above this post.
Samsung is building a reputation of not supporting their products after the sale.
This is something the community needs to be kept aware of so other people don't make the mistake of buying their hardware with its good looking specs.
I'm fed up with companies releasing product (or more like the product escaping) before it is finished as well.
And as a final comment to the 4 whiners above, if you don't like this thread no one forced you to read it. Do something productive and contribute to the community, even if it is just a warning to future buyers not to buy from a given company instead of trying to tear down what someone else is doing.
I'm starting to think it was a mistake even registering an account on this forum, Lol.
There are way too many fanbois.
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Boohoo. Stop flooding this forum with stupid topics when there is already plenty others.
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Nothing wrong with wanting Gingerbread, and expecting it, if the hardware supports it.
Samsung should manage its product support better. Way better.
I stay in the Vibrant section, but was hoping others could help the cause.
I generally remain calm and try and remain upbeat and defend... but the news (rumor/leak) about Samsung holding off the froyo release to sell more phones set me over the edge.
While nothing is confirmed, I still believe Samsung needs to be aware of just how pissed they are making our community. I'm not talking stupid class action, blah blah... I simply want our voice heard, and for a Froyo release to happen ASAP... but beyond that, I want them to adhere to the Open Handset Alliance and release their source for our developers.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/
I believe we all now who is going to put out a better product, and right now they (our developers) are handicapped because they do not have everything they need.
That said, we need to be organized!
We need twitter to trend.
To do that, we all need to use the same #hashtag. We also need to threaten something that means something to them... the whole problem is they are not updating to help with their sales (allegedly). Well, we need to threaten to never buy Samsung again.
Please use this #Hashtag:
#NeverAgain
would work.... it is easy to use, short and to the point.
An example: (just copy/paste this if you like)
[email protected] I will never buy a Samsung product after the way you've treated your customers. #NeverAgain
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OR (thanks to @JunkDruggler):
@Samsungtweets After the BH2 fail and the Vibrant fail.. I will #NeverAgain buy #samsung..
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You need to tweet:
@SamsungMobileUS and/or @SamsungTweets
I sent a similar tweet earlier, and they are now following me. THEY ARE LISTENING... MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!!
I do not use Facebook (wow), BUT, here is a LOT of their information compliments of a post from XDA user AllGamer.
AllGamer said:
List of Facebook Samsung's accounts related to our cause:
Mobile Department
Samsung Mobile
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile#!/SamsungMobile?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/samsungmobilecanada?v=wall
Samsung Mobile España
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ges/Samsung-Mobile-Espana/108610811866?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Global
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileGlobal#!/SamsungMobileGlobal?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Romania
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileRomania
Samsung Mobile Singapore
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileSingapore#!/SamsungMobileSingapore?v=wall
Samsung Mobile UK
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUKmobile#!/SamsungUKmobile?v=wall
another Samsung Mobile ?
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=72687635881&v=wall
Country
Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/SamsungCanada?v=wall
Korea
http://www.facebook.com/samsungkorea#!/samsungkorea?v=wall
USA
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA?v=app_264732985926#!/SamsungUSA?v=wall
Models fan base pages?
Samsung Galaxy S
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...pages/Samsung-Galaxy-S/112079458807762?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Romania
http://www.facebook.com/i9000GalaxyS
Samsung Captivate
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ages/Samsung-Captivate/114820871900462?v=wall
Samsung Epic ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungEpic#!/SamsungEpic?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...msung-Galaxy-S-Vibrant/129061660469467?v=wall
Unknowns
Engineering ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung-Engineering/105652329467423?v=desc
Service ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungService#!/SamsungService?v=wall
Samsung ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung/25448656869#!/pages/Samsung/25448656869?v=wall
Samsung Apps ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungApps?filter=2#!/SamsungApps?v=wall
If anyone can confirm which ones are official and which ones are fan based, it'll be greatly appreciated.
The ones in the Mobile Department and Country specific are definitely legit, anything else are most likely fan based sites.
- NEW full list of legit Samsung Twitter accounts -
http://twitter.com/Samsung/lists
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Haha. Did you see they just said they plan on selling 60 million handsets in 2011? I had to tweet back to them myself on that one. I said good luck since about 50% of power users won't ever buy another samsung after the failures with the Galaxy S.
Thanks for the crosspost from the vibrant forum, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise, so I hope the mods don't remove it.
I set up a twitter account just to complain to Samsung. They should be embarrassed over this. They and Sprint should fire all their devs and hire the folks here. It's ridiculous what is accomplished here by the developers working without full resources or a paycheck compared to what Samsung gets accomplished. It's amateur hour over there.
Tweeted!!! I'm with this movement all the way. Never again will I buy another Samsung phone.
Done and done. Thanks for getting this movement started, power to the people!
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Thanks for the crosspost from the vibrant forum, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise, so I hope the mods don't remove it.
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Thanks man, I felt bad because I did it and THEN thought to myself, shoot... this breaks an XDA rule. I hope that XDA will have a bit of leniency for this isolated event. That said, I certainly would understand if they did close it... sad but I did break a rule.
Our developers need their source!
I also want to add GalaxySSupport to complain to on twitter. It is the support twitter feed for all of the US Galaxy S variants.
Sent from my Shoe.... I mean my Samsung Shoe.... I mean my Samsung Epic
I tweeted them my 2 cents. Thanks for this. I hope alot of people actually jump on it. Not that it's likely to do anything. Still worth a try though!
That being said, it's pretty sad, because the epic has tons of promise. Oh well.
This will work out about as well as internet petitions.
(hint: It accomplishes nothing.. Ever)
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Done!
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styckx said:
This will work out about as well as internet petitions.
(hint: It accomplishes nothing.. Ever)
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Don't be so sure of that. A smaller website maybe, but one like xda that reaches so many people, its possible to scare them enough to believe we can effect their sales. Its energy better spent than posting over and over speculating about froyo so it also serves a two fold purpose. Overall I'm behind this.
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Done as well.
Man, i hope that rumor isn't true..
Did my part. I hope Samsung listens. They make great phones but need to step away from using an open source platform to maximize how much money they coul make by leaving their existing phone users to die.
I agree with everyone that says the hardware is great, but I just can't stand the fact that Samsung is so slow to update to froyo even after all the complaints. There isn't any sort of support for this phone. Also, the fact they can't promise 2.3 (Gingerbread), as LG has done on the Optimus, even though they were able to put 2.3 on a Nexus S which basically has the same hardware is ridiculous.
You can tell me that I should just root and stop whining but that doesn't solve the problem. It's the principle. I feel like people are just sitting back and saying that the corporations will do what they want to do, which is to look only at short term profits (based on the article on AndroidSpin). If we can affect their bottom line through bad reviews of their products and petitions such as this one I'm sure they'll listen.
Also, if we just sit back and do nothing they'll just do it again and again. The reason for the "whining" is not for the sake of just whining, I just personally want to have the best android platform we can get.
In addition, isn't it just easier for everyone (rooted and not rooted) if we got the upgrade from Samsung directly? So why not try to make our lives easier.
That's why I'm all for this. Just my two cents.
Also, I would suggest people write poor reviews on places like CNET where less "techy" people might read reviews on cellphones before making purchases.
dont think this is going to work because with twitter they haev the same canned response everytime its mentioned , someone needs to reach the higher ups like super management somehow. let them know how unhappy everyone is
Whuts do we need to post on Samsung site? I honestly post sumthing to them daily about dropping the ball on froyo n galaxy
They responded to me w the bull ish Re they sent to everybody about froyo due to the complexity whutever lol
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Done and done.
I wish HTC had invented the super amoled and bought intrinsity instead of samsung. After hearing about all these "new" galaxys s phones being released I can only hope that if and when the froyo source is released it will give devs the code they need for porting 2.3 and beyond. I hope people realize they shouldn't buy these phones and the new galaxy s sales plummet to hell.
I don't use twitter, so I can't post but I do hope this movement is successful in getting samsung to wake up.
I just posted a "tip" link to the Vibrant article on Engadget. The whole Galaxy S Froyo update has been a running joke there, so hopefully they will pick up on this latest news.
AndroidSpin and BGR are reporting that a reliable T-Mobile Source told them that there is a fully functioning 2.2 OTA for the T-Mobile Vibrant, but that Samsung is holding the OTA back. The report then says that Samsung fears that if the OTA is released then this would devalue the upcoming T-Mobile Vibrant 4G. (I would post a link, but I do not have 8 post. If someone could for me that would be great.) Now, I know that the hardware is different, but does anyone think that Samsung may be doing the same thing to us fascinate users considering that a new Samsung LTE phone is coming out soon? This would make sense condersidering the Telus fascinate got 2.2 before we did. Now again I know the hardware is different, but it doesn't make sense they would get it before us considering the fascinate has been out longer for us and that they are more of us. It would also explain the DL09 release. Samsung may just be trying to hold us over until they decide to release 2.2 once the LTE phone sales are up. This is just something to think about. I personally am just going to flash Kaos's 2.2 once the data works
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http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/breaking-t-mobile-internals-confirm-samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
Is there a new Vibrant-style Sammy coming to Verizon that might put us in the same boat as our T-Mobular comrads?
"SamsungMobileUS Samsung Mobile USA
We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality.
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SamsungMobileUS Samsung Mobile USA
We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
4 Jan "
That is complete and total crap..... they shouldn't be holding back Froyo just to "improve" sales of the Vibrant 4g... the 4g should make enough incentive if someone really wants the 4g version of the phone. Also, isn't it a little early to be releasing a 4g phone when it is just now becoming available? I could be wrong!?!?!?
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That is complete and total crap..... they shouldn't be holding back Froyo just to "improve" sales of the Vibrant 4g... the 4g should make enough incentive if someone really wants the 4g version of the phone. Also, isn't it a little early to be releasing a 4g phone when it is just now becoming available? I could be wrong!?!?!?
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T-Mobile has had their "4G" out for some time now. Not quite as long as Sprint, but it's been around for a few months at least.
Just some more information. The Samsung LTE phone is suppose to hit Verizon in February. There are a few Samsung Galaxy S phones rumored to be getting froyo in March. This would leave a month for 3g galaxy s phones to still be on 2.1 while the new phones are on 2.2 or 2.3.
So the samsung LTE is probably to complete with the Iphone release 2/10/2011?
Seems totally non-bogus to me. If they already have working builds of froyo on the Galaxy Tab and 4G phones, which all contain pretty similar hardware, it's no doubt that Samsung has working froyo builds for the Fascinate.
It makes perfect sense in regards to their effed up strategy plan of continuing the release of updated phones but delaying software updates on already released ones. It's clear that these guys are holding back the 2.2 update on our device so that they can make more sales on the upcoming devices.
To be honest, it's not that my fascinate doesn't already do what I need it to do or gives me certain issues on its current software, but I just can't stay loyal to a company that continues to disregard their customers' concerns.
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Seems totally non-bogus to me. If they already have working builds of froyo on the Galaxy Tab and 4G phones, which all contain pretty similar hardware, it's no doubt that Samsung has working froyo builds for the Fascinate.
It makes perfect sense in regards to their effed up strategy plan of continuing the release of updated phones but delaying software updates on already released ones. It's clear that these guys are holding back the 2.2 update on our device so that they can make more sales on the upcoming devices.
To be honest, it's not that my fascinate doesn't already do what I need it to do or gives me certain issues on its current software, but I just can't stay loyal to a company that continues to disregard their customers' concerns.
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My sentiments exactly. The question is, will this rumor affect their timetables? This whole thing is so political...
I don't buy it. The draw of the new phones is 4G, or LTE, not the version of Android it's running. The fact that it's running 2.2 wouldn't sway someone to buy one phone over the other for the general consumer. And that is the market that matters most to the manufacturers. To the more advanced users it might make a difference, but they make up a very small percentage.
Doesn't hold weight in my opinion.
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I don't buy it. The draw of the new phones is 4G, or LTE, not the version of Android it's running. The fact that it's running 2.2 wouldn't sway someone to buy one phone over the other for the general consumer. And that is the market that matters most to the manufacturers. To the more advanced users it might make a difference, but they make up a very small percentage.
Doesn't hold weight in my opinion.
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Its a bullet point. Since Samsung did not opt to be part of the droid line on verizon, any additional bullet points adds to the selling factor of the phone. Sales people will use this to push people to the newer phones, saying things like "Its got the latest Android 2.2" or "It has the version of Android that supports flash". Its just in poor taste for Samsung to do this, and to me, its the same with Apple releasing the same iPhone for verizon that's been on at&t for 7 months or so now. I wouldn't get an iphone until after there announcement later this year, because since 2008, they have released a new iphone every year. Ok, sorry, I got off topic, but as you can see other companies do similar things just to sell more phones. Looking at all the companies with android smartphones, HTC and MOTO have done good jobs keep their android phones up to date. Samsung needs to step it up.
If said source is referring to JL5, there is a reason they are holding it back...its a piece of garbage.
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Count me as skeptical, the source seems contradicts himself, unless I'm misreading:
…Being that, Vibrant 4G and Vibrant have exactly same stats, added FFC and a new movie and the 4G. But i will tell you this, the original vibrant CAN utilize 4G FULLY. Yes FULLY. not what they are telling you.
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In a subsequent correspondence:
We have already put it out there that most of out devices would see a speed boost with the new network. Just the Vibrant will see a bit more. So I dont see why that is such a huge surprise to your readers. But not full 4G.
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Still, who knows. It wouldn't surprise me if they scheduled the update to be closer to the release date (VZW released 5.0 for the Storm 1 a day or two before the Storm 2 went on sale). If it does exist, and isn't a POS, it will probably get leaked.
I can see this, but it is stupid as the LTE feature alone should be enough to push people to upgrade. Additionally, those with Galaxy S phones have all had them for less than two years (typical upgrade timeframe). So how many people do they really think they can pursued to switch? Seems far more harmful to continue to piss off your existing user base who might consider later LTE phones at end of year or next when upgrade option is available.
I don't think they want to try and get people to switch. Its more for new sales. If the vibrant is sitting there for half the price (galaxy S phones are reaching the discounted portion of their lifespan) running nearly the same specs, minus the 4G, it will look pretty attractive to a decent chunck of consumers. If salesmen can say "this new one is faster and has a newer operating system" most people will think "new MUST be better" and blindly go for that.
Like someone else already said, it would just be a bullet point for salesmen.
from a business point of view, samsung did the right thing. Why fix what isn't broke, while making something in the future look much more desirable. They will make most of their money this way.
Honestly, the dev community is a very very VERY small portion of their clients. A couple thousand out of however many million phones they've sold... Most people are perfectly happy living in ignorance about all these damn desert names. ESPECIALLY now that they have a working GPS on the phone.
So why please a couple thousand, when they could be making millions on future phones?
Unfortunately for us, this blows! But they are a business. Businesses lie. ultimate goal is to make the dough...
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Just some more information. The Samsung LTE phone is suppose to hit Verizon in February. There are a few Samsung Galaxy S phones rumored to be getting froyo in March. This would leave a month for 3g galaxy s phones to still be on 2.1 while the new phones are on 2.2 or 2.3.
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I wouldn't count on a Feb release....
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So the samsung LTE is probably to complete with the Iphone release 2/10/2011?
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The ONLY LTE phone that would be able to meet a Feb 10th deadline would be the HTC Thunderbolt. And thats not even a for sure, BUT, its the only shot, if any.
I guarantee it will be out by Valentine's Day, not that anyone cares, except for me. But you have my word, nonetheless.
Two words:
Screw Samsung.
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Wtf does a Vibrant story have to do with us? Nothing.
Those guys have a zillion Froyo variants leaked anyway. Don't cry for them.
s44 said:
Wtf does a Vibrant story have to do with us? Nothing.
Those guys have a zillion Froyo variants leaked anyway. Don't cry for them.
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It has a lot to do with us. If they have froyo held back, we have froyo held back.
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So have been thinking. As we did a pretty good #NeverAgain campaign way back to get Froyo to our Vibrants we could try a new approach.
We may be waiting for Samsung and T-mobile to come out with Gingerbread for the our Vibrants. I don't know what the chances for this is. But if they are planning on retiring the Vibrant (or already have) than there shouldn't be anything that keeps Samsung from releasing the sourcecode for the Vibrant. The good press that Samsung would get by releasing the source code (and I'm talking about the kernel) for the Vibrant, can be tremendous. If they are not planning on using it, than great if they release the source. If they do plan on releasing it, but also hand it over to the developers like the CM team, how much more grateful will we be as their power user group.
Keeping on the developers good side should be important for Samsung and the other manufacturers, as that also leads to a very happy power user group. Which in turn refers their products to their friends and families.
So just checking to see what the interest would be for us people that are left with the Vibrant would be involved in making a campaign like this to succeed?
#bashingsamsungandtmobileoverandoverisntgoingtogetusanythingandsinceyounameditspecificallyforthevibranttherewontevenbethatmuchsupportevenontheneveragainthepeoplefromfascinatecaptivateetccameoverandhelpedout
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#bashingsamsungandtmobileoverandoverisntgoingtogetusanythingandsinceyounameditspecificallyforthevibranttherewontevenbethatmuchsupportevenontheneveragainthepeoplefromfascinatecaptivateetccameoverandhelpedout
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You made some spelling mistakes
But yes its pointless to do that, once something is used with success it won't touch the crowd the same/losses its meaning
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You made some spelling mistakes
But yes its pointless to do that, once something is used with success it won't touch the crowd the same/losses its meaning
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I agree. The first campaign worked because it was something new and half way legitimate. If they are working on GB for us, a year after release, I don't think we have much ground to complain. Not that you can't, feel free, but now people are starting to hit the down hill slope of looking forward to their next upgrade.
Just my opinion.
Edit: I am 'tarded
The Vibrant is powerful enough to maintain a long lifespan. There really are only about 2 phones I'd consider a strong enough upgrade to even consider jumping ship.
Ice Cream Sandwich isn't far away. Since it's meant to work on all devices (phones, tablets, pc's, etc)... I really hope drivers aren't the reason I can't use this phone for long time to come..
Well, that and AT&T. BOO.
As much as we love this phone it won't live forever. We can't beg for every update
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As much as we love this phone it won't live forever. We can't beg for every update
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I know we can't ask for the update. Don't really care. But we know they are sitting on the code and if they are not planning on giving us GB at least they could give us the code. Especially the kernel so that CM can get a perfectly working CM7 for the Vibrant.
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I know we can't ask for the update. Don't really care. But we know they are sitting on the code and if they are not planning on giving us GB at least they could give us the code. Especially the kernel so that CM can get a perfectly working CM7 for the Vibrant.
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The problem is that if it's not finished (which is very likely) and we use the code a lot of misinformed people will complain about how we were given buggy code. Then the conspiracy theorists will assume that Samsung sabotaged the code just to get people to hate their phones and want to buy a new one.
All of this will go back to Samsung and they will be labeled as bad for not knowing how to program, or hurting development, or being evil, or ...
Perfect world they could just make all their code transparent for us all to see as soon as it happens, but they would rather be like every other company and hold out on giving out source until they feel it is ready than risk being hurt by trying to help out.
If the code was finished they would be pushing for an update. I doubt they have anything complete for the vibrant.
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Lol, this made me laugh. Thank you. I hit the button but I hit my cap
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