I tried this at the request of my friend and am never touching it again. I am pretty sure it's full of garbage pretending to be scrabble. F Zynga. Damn. Caused lag and has no exit button. Won't close except by force. Bad app. Bad app.
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It is pretty horrible that you can only close it by force.
No I will not make out with you.
Caused my phone to lag as well.
A...lot...of apps...have no exit button. Are we using the same Android?
The stock browser, GMail, Google/Amazon app markets, YouTube, and a BUTTload of games all require you to back out, rather than use a distinct exit function.
Words is pretty laggy, and it's not as well rated as Wordfeud, but it's the most used cross-platform Scrabble game in the mobile space, and frankly, if your phone is getting jittery from it, you're doing something else in the background. While it's clunky for me, too, it doesn't bog my entire phone down.
We set a lot of apps up in the background on our phones and have a wonky habit of blaming the most recently installed app for whatever problems we encounter, and the simple reality is that it isn't always just the tylenol causing organ failure when there's the binge drinking you did five minutes earlier.
Just sayin'.
wordsmith
I've been playing wordsmith free with a few of my friends and it hasn't been particularly laggy or spammy, though their server slows down from time to time. It's not in the market at the moment but you can still find it on the Amazon app store.
Yeah I am currently on stock rom and play it daily with no issues at all. I actually never had issues with it bogging down with my phone just had ingame issues before. And correct me if i am wrong but doesn't just hitting the back button out of an app pretty much close it?
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Yeah I am currently on stock rom and play it daily with no issues at all. I actually never had issues with it bogging down with my phone just had ingame issues before. And correct me if i am wrong but doesn't just hitting the back button out of an app pretty much close it?
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It should, but when I go into task manager, it's still running. I'm on an ad free rom and this still forces ads.
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josidhe said:
A...lot...of apps...have no exit button. Are we using the same Android?
The stock browser, GMail, Google/Amazon app markets, YouTube, and a BUTTload of games all require you to back out, rather than use a distinct exit function.
Words is pretty laggy, and it's not as well rated as Wordfeud, but it's the most used cross-platform Scrabble game in the mobile space, and frankly, if your phone is getting jittery from it, you're doing something else in the background. While it's clunky for me, too, it doesn't bog my entire phone down.
We set a lot of apps up in the background on our phones and have a wonky habit of blaming the most recently installed app for whatever problems we encounter, and the simple reality is that it isn't always just the tylenol causing organ failure when there's the binge drinking you did five minutes earlier.
Just sayin'.
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You trust zynga to sit in the background and not actively collect data? It didn't ask that permission for nothing. It doesn't close when you back out. It also breaks ad block on custom roms. That's aggressive, in my book for being scrabble.
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The Root said:
I tried this at the request of my friend and am never touching it again. I am pretty sure it's full of garbage pretending to be scrabble. F Zynga. Damn. Caused lag and has no exit button. Won't close except by force. Bad app. Bad app.
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ive never had a problem. youre probably doing it wrong.
Although you are totally right about the lack of an exit button.
I have been runnig it for a while now, with no lag or lockups or such, and I exit the same way as most of my android apps, by the back button
From what I can tell, the reason it runs in the background is so it can keep checking to see if it is your move yet or not, which may be a battery drain, if you have to worry about that sort of thing
It doesnt break AdFree, as I beleive AdFree has been modified to allow Words with freiends to get ads so wwf will work, after massive requests to AdFree to do so.
AdFree will still block all my other ads, but seems to allow the stuff for WWF through, so the game works
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I have been runnig it for a while now, with no lag or lockups or such, and I exit the same way as most of my android apps, by the back button
From what I can tell, the reason it runs in the background is so it can keep checking to see if it is your move yet or not, which may be a battery drain, if you have to worry about that sort of thing
It doesnt break AdFree, as I beleive AdFree has been modified to allow Words with freiends to get ads so wwf will work, after massive requests to AdFree to do so.
AdFree will still block all my other ads, but seems to allow the stuff for WWF through, so the game works
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I know how to close an app normally, thanks. You shouldn't have to force apps closed. I can understand with a beginner developer, but this is Zynga. They also have gotten in trouble for looking too far into peoples' info with Farmville. Was just warning people of a possiblity. Didn't know everyone owed their life allegiance to Words With Friends.
Words with Friends does not work well on any overclocking or undervolting kernel on my phone. It is too much crap, Wordfeud is WAY better. Nice, simple and runs on any kernel.
Wordfeud
I tried Words With Friends a few months ago and uninstalled bc I couldn't send pm's nor could I exchange letters. I have had Wordfeud ever since and have had no problems (other than getting my friends to play ).
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Didn't know everyone owed their life allegiance to Words With Friends.
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I didn't realize that either, until I looked into it, and found out it is the most popular scrabble type game on the Android platform
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You shouldn't have to force apps closed.
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I have never had to force WWF to close, it always exited easily via several clicks of the back button
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Words with Friends does not work well on any overclocking or undervolting kernel on my phone.
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I am running SRF 1.1.0 with the Twilight Zone kernel. No issues or lag. I wonder if it could be a theme/ROM issue, rather than a kernel one, as I don't even have my phone OC'ed
I haven't had any major problems with the app. I'm not overclocked or anything. Running midNIGHT Rom v5.3.
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Trying to figure out what's a problem and what's not. Advanced Task Manager....says 18 apps are open. Is that fibbing?
ok so not 18...10.
Voice search, gallery, maps, car home, clock, settings, gmail, voice dialer, weatherbug, mp3 store....the G1 never had that many going at once in memory.
and the phone still zips around im hoping?
it does give very small lag when they are all running, then when i kill them all it speeds up. i actually recorded a video of the whole process.
Mine has 31 currently running?!?! WTF??? Some are running twice like AK Notepad and The Weather Channel? I'm thinking 2.1 is having issues managing applications. I keep hitting my end all widget and it's always like 20+ apps running. So much for the extra ram, things just keep restarting for now reason!
EDIT: After more playing around, it looks like the Back button does not close applications like it does on the G1 and MT3G. Great, better get used to using the Task Manager Widget or nothing will close!!!
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Mine has 31 currently running?!?! WTF??? Some are running twice like AK Notepad and The Weather Channel? I'm thinking 2.1 is having issues managing applications. I keep hitting my end all widget and it's always like 20+ apps running. So much for the extra ram, things just keep restarting for now reason!
EDIT: After more playing around, it looks like the Back button does not close applications like it does on the G1 and MT3G. Great, better get used to using the Task Manager Widget or nothing will close!!!
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Do we *really* need to kill apps though? We have ample memory to cope, right?
Either that or Advanced Task Manager is giving a false report...I don't know which. But yeah the back button doesn't seem to exit the app.
I'm waiting for this video to finish rendering and I'll post it up on Vimeo. It clearly shows the phone lagging, then speeding back up when they are all killed.
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Do we *really* need to kill apps though? We have ample memory to cope, right?
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I don't think they all need to be running at once though, no matter how much memory we have. I don't want it running unless I open it, with the exception of the few that have to run if your using widgets.
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Do we *really* need to kill apps though? We have ample memory to cope, right?
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According to Task Manager before I started launching apps I had 109Mb avail mem. After launching and backing out of a bunch I was down to 49Mb. That was withing 5min. Can you imagine a full day of not ending apps?
I just emailed the developer to rule out a false report with his app and Android 2.1.
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According to Task Manager before I started launching apps I had 109Mb avail mem. After launching and backing out of a bunch I was down to 49Mb. That was withing 5min. Can you imagine a full day of not ending apps?
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Android manages that for you, it utilises the most amount of RAM possible. It'll end apps once it needs more RAM
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Android manages that for you, it utilises the most amount of RAM possible. It'll end apps once it needs more RAM
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I never encountered this with my G1 though. It never ran that many apps at once.
OK video is here:
http://www.vimeo.com/8604778
Video mark 2:48 and go from there.
Some would probably call this "finicky" but I don't expect any lag on a $500 phone. I also understand that not everyone moves as fast as I do.
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OK video is here:
http://www.vimeo.com/8604778
Video mark 2:48 and go from there.
Some would probably call this "finicky" but I don't expect any lag on a $500 phone. I also understand that not everyone moves as fast as I do.
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Like has been said.. Android is managing this for you. Unused RAM is worthless RAM. this is the same issue people tried to ***** about with Windows Vista. The system is keeping the application in memory incase you switch back to it. If you do, you avoid the load times. If you don't keep applications in RAM then switching between them would take forever and pretty much negate the ability to multitask.
THIS IS BY DESIGN.
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Like has been said.. Android is managing this for you. Unused RAM is worthless RAM. this is the same issue people tried to ***** about with Windows Vista. The system is keeping the application in memory incase you switch back to it. If you do, you avoid the load times. If you don't keep applications in RAM then switching between them would take forever and pretty much negate the ability to multitask.
THIS IS BY DESIGN.
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I'd like to think that we could have a civil and professional conversation without jumping in with your panties in a wad. Do you see my post count? Do you tink I was here when people we're complaining about this? Oh that's right we we're born with knowing how Android works that's right.
At any rate....I appreciate your response.
I think he got irritated you were jumping the gun a bit, you went even so far to post a video of it lagging..that kinda seems to lower the credibility of the device for people without that specific knowledge.
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I'd like to think that we could have a civil and professional conversation without jumping in with your panties in a wad. Do you see my post count? Do you tink I was here when people we're complaining about this? Oh that's right we we're born with knowing how Android works that's right.
At any rate....I appreciate your response.
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My apologies for seeming harsh. But, there is another thread on this exact same topic already in which this answer has already been stated :-/
If for some reason it really worries you, just use the Taskiller widget or something.. but, it really isn't anything to worry about. The slight second long pause in your video is simply from Android being notified it is low on memory and killing off a background process to make room for the one you are loading up. You shouldn't see it too often and the fact that it keeps the programs/apps in RAM is part of the reason the phone feels so snappy compared to a G1/MyTouch
hmmm, the only lag I saw in the video was the occasional having to press the touch sensitive buttons one more time?
Correct me if Im wrong?
Thing is: the more you use taskiller the slower it'll get unlike what everybody thinks...
Just leave the apps in the RAM and they'll load from the RAM (= instantly) otherwise they'll load from storage card (=milliseconds of delay)
All I can say from the video is that the Nexus is hugely fast. When you started the camera I thought "alright sit back & relax for 5sec like on most Androids" but this was insane!
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I never encountered this with my G1 though. It never ran that many apps at once.
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"It'll end more apps once it needs more ram".
The G1 had less rom and therefore had to end apps earlier because it needed to free up ram for the Os/new apps.
I love this damn phone. I dont know about yall, but I could give a **** about stock 2.2 our any of the other newer phones out.. This puppy is a beast running team whiskey, master, and eugenes roms...
These do so much, phone, browser with full flash, gps (yes mine works great), alarm, games, camera, video camera, movie player, mp3 player etc. phones do so damn much, its fun as **** trying out all these fun mods that these great developers make for our bad ass phone....
What else yall use these bad ass toys for? I love mine and had it on day 1 release
I've had mine for 2 weeks and I'm still trying to figure out everything. (I still need to get the balls to root it so I can enjoy those sweet roms)
smashpunks said:
I love this damn phone. I dont know about yall, but I could give a **** about stock 2.2 our any of the other newer phones out.. This puppy is a beast running team whiskey, master, and eugenes roms...
These do so much, phone, browser with full flash, gps (yes mine works great), alarm, games, camera, video camera, movie player, mp3 player etc. phones do so damn much, its fun as **** trying out all these fun mods that these great developers make for our bad ass phone....
What else yall use these bad ass toys for? I love mine and had it on day 1 release
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+1 beside the stock part (if it runs on android im interested)
sgsV Nero-DoW1.4 OC
Love mine as well!!
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You can love it all you want, but unless you heavily MOD this phone up (Root + Lagfix and more often than not a Custom ROM), the out of box experience is similar to these.
All of these lag/free/blackscreen issues still exist on JI6 for the Vibrant. I may put a video on YouTube with a demonstration soon, cause it's a myth, apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2do065zuSUI
This is kind of ironic...
I was just going to post how my stock JI6 vibrant is running pretty well; I opened and closed a bunch of stuff in a short period of time, but then tried to open the gallery and bam, my phone froze. No response from the keys, then I went to lock the phone, but it never turned back on.
Just did a battery pull
I've had mine freeze up and require a battery pull just swiping to another home screen.
im running stock ji6, no problems ever, with gps, gallery, lags.
Both of the youtube vids are with the i9000.
Maybe the vibrant just works great in Oregon! =)
I think if it's going to "just work" anywhere it should be either Mountain View, CA or Cupertino, CA.
ZombiiBite said:
I've had mine for 2 weeks and I'm still trying to figure out everything. (I still need to get the balls to root it so I can enjoy those sweet roms)
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you won't regret it..learn all the ins and outs of rooting and you will constantly be flashing roms, which never gets old
N8ter said:
You can love it all you want, but unless you heavily MOD this phone up (Root + Lagfix and more often than not a Custom ROM), the out of box experience is similar to these.
All of these lag/free/blackscreen issues still exist on JI6 for the Vibrant. I may put a video on YouTube with a demonstration soon, cause it's a myth, apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2do065zuSUI
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When mine behaves like that I unload some apps. Even though it has 16 gigs, it seems you really can't just add apps until it's full.
I also suspect there is some kind of multitasking pre-emption problem too. For example, when you install an app, the phone virtually freezes when it's actually writing the app to disk. Maybe it's just a disk format or sd driver problem.
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ZachLL88 said:
im running stock ji6, no problems ever, with gps, gallery, lags.
Both of the youtube vids are with the i9000.
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The same issues on every other Gs.
Why do lag fixes exist, if not?
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cyberbillp said:
When mine behaves like that I unload some apps. Even though it has 16 gigs, it seems you really can't just add apps until it's full.
I also suspect there is some kind of multitasking pre-emption problem too. For example, when you install an app, the phone virtually freezes when it's actually writing the app to disk. Maybe it's just a disk format or sd driver problem.
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No. these phones have terrible I/O performance. Notice in thr video when she runs twicca it freezes while loading data (most likely from cache). It's due to the RFS filesystem Samsung uses.
The fact that those are i9k's doesn't change anything. All the stock Galaxy S phones have this issue, save for the Nexus.
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cyberbillp said:
When mine behaves like that I unload some apps. Even though it has 16 gigs, it seems you really can't just add apps until it's full.
I also suspect there is some kind of multitasking pre-emption problem too. For example, when you install an app, the phone virtually freezes when it's actually writing the app to disk. Maybe it's just a disk format or sd driver problem.
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This is a problem on JI6. Nothing short of a different firmware version will fix the pause when installing apps. Not a "lag fix" either.
I have no problems with my Vibrant. Trolls will Troll because that's what they do, but the 0.001% of owners here don't give a good idea of what regular owners really think. The ones that consistently complain about how horrible the phone is and continues to use it, even after claiming to have sold it or will be, should just be ignored. There is an ulterior motive here.
I have stock JL5, and it runs great. JI6 has a problem with the Gallery, well known and I posted a solution for it already. But JL5 is running so good there really isn't much reason to be running JI6 over it.
N8ter said:
You can love it all you want, but unless you heavily MOD this phone up (Root + Lagfix and more often than not a Custom ROM), the out of box experience is similar to these.
All of these lag/free/blackscreen issues still exist on JI6 for the Vibrant. I may put a video on YouTube with a demonstration soon, cause it's a myth, apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2do065zuSUI
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Geez, my phone sure has never behaved like that (thankfully!); and I'm "out of the box." I can see how it would drive you nuts, lead you to "lag-fixes," etc.! Just want to point out that the problem sure ain't universal, for whatever reason. (I don't have a ton of apps installed; I wonder if that makes a difference.)
Occasionally, there will be a slight pause when opening an app or something, but it doesn't ruin my day...
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Geez, my phone sure has never behaved like that (thankfully!); and I'm "out of the box." I can see how it would drive you nuts, lead you to "lag-fixes," etc.! Just want to point out that the problem sure ain't universal, for whatever reason. (I don't have a ton of apps installed; I wonder if that makes a difference.)
Occasionally, there will be a slight pause when opening an app or something, but it doesn't ruin my day...
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Like I said in another thread... My YouTube video will be up soon
I keep getting nervous about rooting, because I see people who write stuff in these and phandroid's forums about peoples phones starting to act weird right after they do it. I'm also worried about how to do updates to newer versions of android, and how make sure I have my contacts backed up because my buddy did his EVO and told me he lost all hiscontacts and wasn't able to sync them with google. PLEASE POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SOMEONE!
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I keep getting nervous about rooting, because I see people who write stuff in these and phandroid's forums about peoples phones starting to act weird right after they do it. I'm also worried about how to do updates to newer versions of android, and how make sure I have my contacts backed up because my buddy did his EVO and told me he lost all hiscontacts and wasn't able to sync them with google. PLEASE POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SOMEONE!
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First time owning a smartphone and first time owning an Android phone, I rooted the phone on day one, nothing bad happened. All I gained are benefits, adblock, costume roms (froyo 2.2), root explorer, voodoo, etc
Yeah, I've had it for two weeks and love it! I can only imagine how much better it'll be when I do root it. Should I just follow the tutorial on here? And then what roms does everyone suggest?
I heard App Killers use memory, so I was wondering is there a way to get a shortcut, or a way to tweak to put what apps I want terminated and that I use on the go all at once or all in the same list? It's annoying to go into settings, then applications, then run and scroll through each one and force stop lol .
Don't force apps to stop. If it's not in use, it doesn't matter if it's in the memory.
Linux operates differently. In Windows you could use up a bunch of memory and it slows things down, but until you get to a critical level your Atrix isn't going to slow down. It's better to let it manage itself, otherwise it will simply start the task over and pull it to the foreground even though it was using no resources happily in the background.
Only close apps if they're erratic or if you want to clear memory for something hardcore like a PSX or N64 emulator, etc.
Trust me. I don't kill apps and used my phone like some sort of newb, but it actually works way better than when I try erratically killing apps all the time.
so even if its in the running tab say like browser and gmail, and say an app that uses gps and data and I close it but don't force stop it, it won't do a big deal on my battery? Sorry im new to all this, very new.
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As soon as apps like Maps are out of focus (not immediately running on your screen) the GPS will stop searching. You will notice that Android is more than capable of handling it's own memory management. Just relax and let the OS do it's job. Some things you're killing with a task killer will just be immediately reopened by Android, as it's being referenced by another app. That will kill your battery much more so than just letting Android remove resources from a running app.
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so even if its in the running tab say like browser and gmail, and say an app that uses gps and data and I close it but don't force stop it, it won't do a big deal on my battery? Sorry im new to all this, very new.
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As soon as apps like Maps are out of focus (not immediately running on your screen) the GPS will stop searching. You will notice that Android is more than capable of handling it's own memory management. Just relax and let the OS do it's job. Some things you're killing with a task killer will just be immediately reopened by Android, as it's being referenced by another app. That will kill your battery much more so than just letting Android remove resources from a running app.
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^^^
This brother is right!
Yep, it's kind of a strange concept. I was so skeptical and yes, sometimes I look at the stuff in the background and still get suspicious. But the battery life and performance speaks for itself. After months and months of it pestering me, I finally submitted. I only kill tasks before running high end console emulators or a couple other apps that require a lot of juice.
It's definitely something that takes time getting used to. I've had an Android for almost exactly a year to this day and it's still a hard concept to grasp. As long as you're not running some crappy program that was poorly coded, it otherwise does a great job.
First Android OS was 1.6/Donut and that wasn't nearly as good as Froyo and Gingerbread. HUGE difference. I'm using an Xperia X10 because my Atrix is currently broken, but I've got CM running Gingerbread and WOW. It's like a completely different phone!! Even just the stock Froyo handles tasks much better. The Atrix is damn near flawless in comparison too.
tripleh3lix said:
I heard App Killers use memory, so I was wondering is there a way to get a shortcut, or a way to tweak to put what apps I want terminated and that I use on the go all at once or all in the same list? It's annoying to go into settings, then applications, then run and scroll through each one and force stop lol .
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I like Watchdog, http://goo.gl/c4On5. It will tell you if an app needs killing. You can even put a widget on your screen and watch how many apps are running, how many are idle, and what % of cpu is used.
bongd said:
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This brother is right!
Yep, it's kind of a strange concept. I was so skeptical and yes, sometimes I look at the stuff in the background and still get suspicious. But the battery life and performance speaks for itself. After months and months of it pestering me, I finally submitted. I only kill tasks before running high end console emulators or a couple other apps that require a lot of juice.
It's definitely something that takes time getting used to. I've had an Android for almost exactly a year to this day and it's still a hard concept to grasp. As long as you're not running some crappy program that was poorly coded, it otherwise does a great job.
First Android OS was 1.6/Donut and that wasn't nearly as good as Froyo and Gingerbread. HUGE difference. I'm using an Xperia X10 because my Atrix is currently broken, but I've got CM running Gingerbread and WOW. It's like a completely different phone!! Even just the stock Froyo handles tasks much better. The Atrix is damn near flawless in comparison too.
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Thank you. I have 4 and a half hours with this thing powered on, and screen is on an hour and a half and it's on 50 percent already. Was using maps and just texting that's about it. I keep turning gps off when done.
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I am reasonably new to the android community and so when I first got the device I looked up some of the most commonly downloaded applications to get an idea for what I should get. Advanced task killer was up there as one of the most popular so I went ahead and downloaded it.
I used it for about a month thinking "alright cool I don't have to search through the stock task manager to force close applications". However I came across several articles at that point stating that with newer smartphone's technology that a task killer was unnecessary and in fact detrimental. All of the articles stated that the phone ran better and smoother when allowed to manage it's applications on its own. While I hadn't really ran into many bugs (just a few glitches here and there) I still thought I might speed up the phone a little bit and decided to stop using it.
Here's the weird part, I start getting bugs AFTER I stop using the task killer! My menus ran slower, the keyboard was not as responsive, I even actually felt like the accuracy of my touches went down. I was patient with it though and gave it time but the problems persisted. After a week of staying off of it (in which I should point out I fully rebooted the phone several times) I decided to start again and boom.
Magically the problems went away, my menus are nice and smooth, keyboard response is perfect, and touches are right on point. I think these articles are getting a little too theoretical in their accusations against task managers. Personally I have mine only set on medium detection and safe auto kill. This basically means it autokills almost nothing and 1 touch kills all of the game/map apps that I told it not to ignore. With modest settings such as these I think that there is very little chance of it upsetting any sort of operative processes of the phone and I mean the bottom line here is the results!
I personally find that my phone runs much better with a task killer than without. So anyway just thought I would share my experience in case it may help anyone, I'd be interested in hearing others as well.
There is no need to use any Task Killer programs anymore, and using them is detrimental to the phone either way. This has been discussed time and time again on this forum and other phones' as well.
dLo GSR said:
There is no need to use any Task Killer programs anymore, and using them is detrimental to the phone either way. This has been discussed time and time again on this forum and other phones' as well.
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I realize I may have typed a little more than your attention span would allow you too pay attention to so let me shorten this for you.
I got the task killer.
I then read about it being detrimental so I stopped.
I got more bugs/worse functionality of the phone thought it was weird but stuck to it.
After getting fed up after a while I tried using the manager again and everything became quick and smooth again.
Clear now? I'm just posting that this is my personal experience, and I thought it may be interesting to some because it seems contrary to what most are reporting.
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Factory reset. If you're being honest and not missing something you have a rogue app or setting causing a problem. Start fresh and you'll see that using a task manager and killing apps yourself is not the way to go.
The only thing I keep mine for is for killing rogue apps. And that's not a very common occurrence if you're doing things right and not downloading ****ty apps from stupid devs.
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Factory reset. If you're being honest and not missing something you have a rogue app or setting causing a problem. Start fresh and you'll see that using a task manager and killing apps yourself is not the way to go.
The only thing I keep mine for is for killing rogue apps. And that's not a very common occurrence if you're doing things right and not downloading ****ty apps from stupid devs.
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haha well at least you admitted to it in the beginning, hopefully you caught the boiled down version then.
It's interesting that you mention the rogue app issue. I don't have any of the problems I usually hear about in the forums when that is the case, although I do use words with friends, which i realize is buggy but it plays against friends and family that have iphones as well.
I doubt that is the culprit though, the problems and slowdowns I was experiencing are mainly things i have seen people mention as problems with the phone in general.
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haha well at least you admitted to it in the beginning, hopefully you caught the boiled down version then.
It's interesting that you mention the rogue app issue. I don't have any of the problems I usually hear about in the forums when that is the case, although I do use words with friends, which i realize is buggy but it plays against friends and family that have iphones as well.
I doubt that is the culprit though, the problems and slowdowns I was experiencing are mainly things i have seen people mention as problems with the phone in general.
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Once you break the phone in and all the apps load and cache it should be smooth as butter. A brand spanking new refresh isn't always the quickest. I find that after a few hours usage (after a complete wipe) that things start really moving along.
In my task killer I have damn near every program excluded as well. And a nice thing about Froyo is that system apps and important things usually aren't killed anyway. I set my task killer this way as a buffer because I really don't want to kill anything in the background that doesn't need to be killed. Doing that can make it relaunch in the foreground thereby slowing things down when the program wasn't using any resources to begin with.
A lot of it is a matter of perception too - a lot of people get OCD about managing tasks manually and start killing things, falsely perceiving that speeds are picking up and that they're improving battery life. Fact of the matter is that it's other factors which are leading to success. Killing tasks is inherently flawed because you're waking up apps which aren't doing jack **** to begin with.
Today I purchased the full version of SystemPanel. The reason was simple. I wanted information. The product was exactly what I needed. An app that gives real time and historical information on: battery charge and discharge; CPU utilization; phone usage, the list goes on. After two hours I noticed that it showed CPU cycles from apps that should be idle... Pandora and Amazon App Store... so I opened Pandora and saw it was stuck in a search. I exited Pandora and suddenly the CPU dropped and rate of battery drain slowed. What makes this a great app is the historical view and the ability to see historical CPU usage at the individual application level and compare to the overall phones CPU, usage and battery level. The end result is solid information on where and when the juice goes. The help describes why they will never implement an Auto-Kill feature, i.e. does not save any juice and if an app is not behaving... don't kill it, fix the problem or uninstall! Hope this helps!
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Today I purchased the full version of SystemPanel. The reason was simple. I wanted information. The product was exactly what I needed. An app that gives real time and historical information on: battery charge and discharge; CPU utilization; phone usage, the list goes on. After two hours I noticed that it showed CPU cycles from apps that should be idle... Pandora and Amazon App Store... so I opened Pandora and saw it was stuck in a search. I exited Pandora and suddenly the CPU dropped and rate of battery drain slowed. What makes this a great app is the historical view and the ability to see historical CPU usage at the individual application level and compare to the overall phones CPU, usage and battery level. The end result is solid information on where and when the juice goes. The help describes why they will never implement an Auto-Kill feature, i.e. does not save any juice and if an app is not behaving... don't kill it, fix the problem or uninstall! Hope this helps!
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I've got this app purchased as well. I usually uninstall it unless I suspect that a program is running wild like how you've described.
bongd said:
I've got this app purchased as well. I usually uninstall it unless I suspect that a program is running wild like how you've described.
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Seems that out of all of the apps out there, these guys dug in to do something of use. Now I can post screen shots of the Moto car dock charging problem that I have.
i don't think ATK is really detrimental...i've been using it and as long as you keep everything in check, it should run fine, just make sure the apps that are being killed are the ones you want killed.
I had ATK installed on my Atrix pretty much since day 1. Then i realised i was being an idiot to have it running in the background when i never really used it. Instead, i always just used the standard task manager, and added apps that i didn't see a point in having sit idle in the background to the auto-end list. Works quite well, and no annoying "Touch here to launch Advanced Task Killer" crap in the notification pane.
Unless there is a technical challenge it's best to kill tasks as sparingly as possible. End of discussion
I think you are missing the simple fact that killing tasks has no impact, positive or negative, on Android.
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elementaldragon said:
I had ATK installed on my Atrix pretty much since day 1. Then i realised i was being an idiot to have it running in the background when i never really used it. Instead, i always just used the standard task manager, and added apps that i didn't see a point in having sit idle in the background to the auto-end list. Works quite well, and no annoying "Touch here to launch Advanced Task Killer" crap in the notification pane.
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Same here, using the stock one, the auto end list too free ram. I noticed many apps that I don't use very often load on startup and run in the background.
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Same here, using the stock one, the auto end list too free ram. I noticed many apps that I don't use very often load on startup and run in the background.
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Free ram has no impact on performance or battery on Android. Killing a task should always be adhoc and not automatic.
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Unless there is a technical challenge it's best to kill tasks as sparingly as possible. End of discussion
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Agreed!
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I have mine set to close only a few programs that eat battery in the background. Like the xda app.
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Free ram has no impact on performance or battery on Android. Killing a task should always be adhoc and not automatic.
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Not entirely true, does impact the performance and is noticeable especially when I have less than 100 megs available. Even on my old winmo phone more free ram made a huge difference. Also has little impact on battery while apps running on background use cpu.
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I realize you're a douche, so bite me.
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I realize I may have typed a little more than your attention span would allow you too pay attention to so let me shorten this for you.
I got the task killer.
I then read about it being detrimental so I stopped.
I got more bugs/worse functionality of the phone thought it was weird but stuck to it.
After getting fed up after a while I tried using the manager again and everything became quick and smooth again.
Clear now? I'm just posting that this is my personal experience, and I thought it may be interesting to some because it seems contrary to what most are reporting.
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I realize you're a douche, so bite me.
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Haha no need to get hostile man, you just clearly had not read my post.
At least have the decency to put tl dr beforehand if you are going to do that, because your first response literally almost quoted something I had already written
And I have to agree with slimslim about the ram, I find it very noticeable when the level of free ram gets down to around 100
Hi Yall
Ive had the xperia play for around 2 weeks now and loving it but seeing as im pretty particular about my new gadgets im just wondering if my xperia play is the same as everyone elses.
Ive basically got only a couple queries which are:
1. How is your screen wobble when the slider is opened and closed?
With mine, when the slider is closed there is a slight gap between the gamepad and the screen so when you use the touch screen (for smsing etc) you can here the tapping of the screen on the gamepad.
When the slider is open on the other hand the same thing happens but only on the bottom 2 corners of the screen you can push them slightly down onto the gamepad with slight movement.
2. How is your battery usage/life?
With mine, I basically get 1 or 1.5 days battery life depending on what I am doing but I cant help notice that even with little things such as sending a quick sms or simply going through the phones settings will actually eat 1% or 2% of the battery life. This normal?
Lastly, im new to android as I have recently switched from the iphone so when im looking at the stock android app killer thats built into the device under the applications section. What is actually using the battery? As you go the the running apps part its got used and free application that show up. are both of these eating the battery or is it just the used ones?
Thank You in advance and thanks for comparing.
this has been discussed over and over again, please use search first before posting.
Anyway, Markus (developer I think) from Sony Ericsson confirmed the "LITTLE" wobble and small gap when closed is normal. That is in accordance to their design engineers' wants to allow users to have a good feel when using the gaming device. As with any side-slider phones, THIS IS NORMAL.
Regarding the battery, that is just fine. You are actually getting the juice out of it. Period. I had mine rooted and bloatware removed, but the difference in battery consumption against non-rooted didn't vary a lot. So I reverted back to NO BLOATWARE REMOVED (but still rooted though) to preserve my ability to update via OTA in the future and it's working just fine. I believe the phone is managing itself very well so there's no need for us to be doing a lot of tweaks that could be potentially dangerous. And oh, I believe you're already on 2.3.3 because on 2.3.2 the battery won't even last a day. Mine lasts a maximum of 35 hours on 2.3.3 with moderate use, 4-5 hours on straight gaming.
EDIT: Never use third-party App Killers/Task Managers! I read somewhere legit that they will just screw up your phone. Android phones are way better off with spiking memory usages because that's the time when the phone starts to manage itself actually. Remember, devs and engineers will never release a device that cannot manage itself. Love your device! Love it even more if it's in stock condition!
If you want speed, memory and more battery then do this
Batteryurchase juice defender ultimate, it's absolutely wonderful and ACTUALLY works. With root it saved me x1.50 on battery, without root it saved me x2. 0
Install memory booster, qwik boost and task killer will free up RAM and stop battery consumption for a few minutes.
Speed: unlocking bootloader and then rooting, installing titanium backup and removing bloatware, uninstalling useless apps and freezing will make it noticibly fast. You can also use. SETCPU for extended battery and faster performance. And SD speed increase
For more speed and precision , flash doomkernel
That will catapult your battery to 10 hours, and will get you to another day.
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Ok Guys
So has anyone got any fixes to make the device have no wobble at all? Tell us your story or innovations.
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Install memory booster, qwik boost and task killer
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There really is no need to install these, they do more harm than good, its explained loads on XDA.
KoolMoeDee KMD said:
Ok Guys
So has anyone got any fixes to make the device have no wobble at all? Tell us your story or innovations.
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It is normal for the Play to have a slight wobble!
If you really want to inprove it you can use two of those little sticky pad things from the bottom of a mouse (no, not a real mouse, a pc mouse!), place them on the back of the Play while the screen is up, it stops it wobbling, there is a thread about it somewhere on here.
like i said in my post, that is normal. why fix something that is normal?
I just dont like the slight wobble, thats all
Its one of those things that eat at your very soul over time lol
then there's nothing we can do about that. no one's bothered about that here anyway.
So is anyone also experiencing one shoulder button being looser than the other?
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There really is no need to install these, they do more harm than good, its explained loads on XDA.
It is normal for the Play to have a slight wobble!
If you really want to inprove it you can use two of those little sticky pad things from the bottom of a mouse (no, not a real mouse, a pc mouse!), place them on the back of the Play while the screen is up, it stops it wobbling, there is a thread about it somewhere on here.
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i wrote it wrong.Memory boosters features include ;Qwick Boost and Kill Running apps.ITs all in 1 APP. And it checks your free memory.
Thats what i meant.
Cat_On_Droid said:
i wrote it wrong.Memory boosters features include ;Qwick Boost and Kill Running apps.ITs all in 1 APP. And it checks your free memory.
Thats what i meant.
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Either way anything that kills apps is bad. I used to do it religiously on my old Droid, and then I read that article and said hey lets just give it a shot. Well it took a while (like a couple days) for the phone to catch up but it actually started to run BETTER and less stuff was crashing and force closing.
I still have Advanced task killer on my phone, but I use it for one thing only, to kill apps that screw up but don't Force Close (generally Facebook because that app is a piece of ****e....)
there's an article (legit one) i read somewhere saying app killers and advanced task managers plus battery calibration apps are actually dangerous to android phones. after all, android does memory spooling, so it manages its RAM on its own and we don't want to mess with that. as i always say, why intervene with something that's working properly? engineers made their phones act properly without / minimal management, so why bother?
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I just dont like the slight wobble, thats all
Its one of those things that eat at your very soul over time lol
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Lol know what you meen, those small things, kind of ocd behavior Mine is rock steady no wobble here.
KoolMoeDee KMD said:
So is anyone also experiencing one shoulder button being looser than the other?
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My R is slightly looser, but that's from gaming on it.
Regards Dousan...
Old school name you've got there from when hip hop was underground and not comercial as it is today
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i wrote it wrong.Memory boosters features include ;Qwick Boost and Kill Running apps.ITs all in 1 APP. And it checks your free memory.
Thats what i meant.
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Ahh ok, Sorry!
Screen wobble is barely noticeable, battery life is amazing.
narflynn619 said:
there's an article (legit one) i read somewhere saying app killers and advanced task managers plus battery calibration apps are actually dangerous to android phones. after all, android does memory spooling, so it manages its RAM on its own and we don't want to mess with that. as i always say, why intervene with something that's working properly? engineers made their phones act properly without / minimal management, so why bother?
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There is quite a good aricle on lifehacker that says all about the native memory management and why task killers are useless
Yes tasks managers are quite useless for Android.In fact, it is known to screw up some programs or functions because of closing the wrong programs.That being said i'm using the one that came with go launcher.
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Deoxlar said:
Yes tasks managers are quite useless for Android.In fact, it is known to screw up some programs or functions because of closing the wrong programs.That being said i'm using the one that came with go launcher.
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When i was using GO launcher, i had a nasty habbit of using the one in the app draw every time i opened it
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You can stick a teflon mouse skate at the back of the screen just behind the home button. It won't completely eliminate wobble but it makes it a lot more stable when pressing any of the face buttons or texting.
When a task killer kills apps, most of them just restart. If you want it to be truly effective, you need to have root, titanium pro, and freeze them.
Plus, task killers use extra CPU and ram, resulting in more power being used. They just keep killing apps repeatedly and eat your battery.
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