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Running programs not able to close ??

Good Day to everyone, I want to know how to fully close a program without needing a soft reset.. because whenever I use the running program, Its really not showing all the program and therefore might not be closing all running programs.. I know there is a lot of programs running still because I had an h5550 before and I usually see a long list of running programs as compare to the xda II. Why is this so and how is the problem solved? thanks much

Use Magic Button.
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/magicbutton.shtml

well in settings under memory
under running programs i can close my programs if i want
though i cant say if they removed that feature in 2003

Hi ...
there is a difference between applications and processes. the first type you close and you can see on running programs. while the 2nd type is system processes ... windows control their start and end. closing any of them may cause a system crash.

What are processes? Is it essential that I close them? Will it make the xda slower if many processes are running? thanks and pardon me for my ignorance..

well in a multitasking envioment
a program is 1 process which can have many threads
imho then if i dont do a softreset my xda get slower and slower
as time goes by
a softreset solve this problem just like that

If you're not using a task manager of some sort (I use Resco), the easiest and way to close an app is to use the on-screen keyboard (if the app lets you open the keyboard that is :wink: .) Simply kit Ctrl+Q, just like the Windows shortcut!
Some other handy PPC shortcuts are;
Ctrl+C (copy), Ctrl+V (paste), Ctrl+X (Cut), Ctrl+A (Select all), Shift+tap (select multiple adjacent items), Ctrl+tap (select multiple items).

Hi.
Isn't this non-closing of programs a bit of a bug? I can see how PPC might want to leave commonly used apps in memory instead of actually quitting them (i.e. Contacts), but to be honest it doesn't exactly take that long to start them up from scratch.
I'm used to (from desktop win) pressing the X in the top-right corner and the program actually closing, or at least going to the tasktray (where you can see it to quit it).
I've only had my XDA-II for a week, and I'm scared that I've run up a massive bill already because of this prob, but will have to wait to find out -
Basically I used the Terminal Services Client to connect to my PC at home whilst at work. I only did this for about 30 seconds, after which I pressed the X at the top right corner. After about 4 hours or so I got home and looked at the screen an there was an error dialog coming from the supposedly closed Terminal Services Client! So the TSC might have been downloading thru GPRS for 4 hours!
I call that a bug. I reproduced it again at home. I have Rescoe task monitor and I can see TSC staying around after I've closed it. I'm now waiting to see what appears on my bill. Damned if I'm paying for it tho...
No doubt I'm the only person who has had this prob... :?

Not a bug, a feature
Partridge, it is not a bug, it's how Pocket PC's have been working at least for PPC 2002 and PPC 2003.
It is well known in the PPC community and there are a number of fixes.
I would strongly suggest that the first application you purchase are GPRS Monitor from SPB.
It gives you a small icon on the top line where you can see your GPRS traffic, an a Today plug-in that lists the amount of MB and the cost of the day's session. Using this, you will quickly notice if some application is using GPRS behind your back.
Regards
Michael

Not a bug, a feature
Partridge, it is not a bug, it's how Pocket PC's have been working at least for PPC 2002 and PPC 2003.
It is well known in the PPC community and there are a number of fixes.
I would strongly suggest that the first application you purchase are GPRS Monitor from SPB.
It gives you a small icon on the top line where you can see your GPRS traffic, an a Today plug-in that lists the amount of MB and the cost of the day's session. Using this, you will quickly notice if some application is using GPRS behind your back.
Regards
Michael

Thanks for the reply and advice.
Admittedly I'm brand new to this PPC game.
I still think its a bit naff that PPC's do this.
I expect a program thats expensive to run in terms of network bandwidth (and therefore money), to close when I press the X button. I guess thats just me...
Thanks anyway
Partridge.

Memory management.. slightly confused!

OK i understand (roughly) how memory management works on a PC, and how apps are loaded into RAM etc, but my MDA Pro is confusing me!
It seems that by the end of the day, every program that i have been running (and closing after use) is STILL running in the background (when i look at the task manager). This is pretty annoying, because it normally means that if i try to take a photo, it tells me there isnt enough memory to perform the operation!
Is this just the normal way memory/app loading is handled on windows mobile, or am i doing something wrong?
Thanks!

Pooper: how have you been "closing after use" your programs?
V

vijay555 said:
Pooper: how have you been "closing after use" your programs?
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Using the X (or 'ok') in the top right hand corner. (usually there aren't any other options).
Is that the normal way?

that is exactly how all windows mobile devices have worked since forever.
by tapping on the X in the top right, it just minimises the application.
I assume the idea behind this is that as these devices have slower processes than people are used to in their PC's, and they get used to programs opening quickly on their PC's, by keeping the programs in memory they can then open as soon as you tap the icon for them giving a 'quicker' and smoother operating experience.
To shut them down properly, Pick one or the following:
1: search google for the thousands of other times this question has been asked and answered on all the pocket pc/windows mobile forums around the world
2: RTFM
3: tap start>settings>system>memory>running programs. then tap stop all to actually shut them all down.
Alternatively, get yourself a third party app which will actually shut programs when you tap the X. For instance, I have that function as part of SPB pocket plus 3 which i have on my device.
btw. sorry if i am a bit cranky, I am at work and a little stressed. but please, always search before you post.

It's ok, i get pissed off at people not searching before they post either, but hey i've got an excuse, i was getting timeouts everytime i tried to search
Don't suppose you could suggest the simplest program that closes apps when you 'close' them? *hides*

InClose Mobile
Try InClose Mobile, it's one of the best task managers there is for wm5 (I have tried a lot of them). It closes the program when you press the X (exactly how it should been done in the first place) but you can also minimise the program by taping and holding the X. Very good!
You find it here: http://insoftwarehouse.com/downloads/inclose/xe.php?l=en

GSpocketmagic++
GSpocketmagic++
search this out on google it includes a cascading menu program

Re: InClose Mobile
Wegas said:
Try InClose Mobile, it's one of the best task managers there is for wm5 (I have tried a lot of them). It closes the program when you press the X (exactly how it should been done in the first place) but you can also minimise the program by taping and holding the X. Very good!
You find it here: http://insoftwarehouse.com/downloads/inclose/xe.php?l=en
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Excellent, thanks

PointUI - New Version 1.01b - Now with customization

Here's the new version of PointUI.
New Features
- Weather update frequency now includes "Manual".
- Customisation (yes, we are Aussies so spell it with an 's'): Media Player - ok, a little techy at this stage, but you can now specify the path of your media player in the registry:
- In the key: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Pointui\Home\{your version} (i.e. version = 1.01b) create a new String value called App.Path.Media
- You can include in your path {Windows}, {Programs}, {ProgramFiles} which will get replaced with your device specific folders but if you do use them then don't start the path with a backslash
- The path can be to a shortcut or exe, and include spaces, but don't use any quotes
- An example value is: {Windows}\wmplayer.exe
- You don't need to restart Home for this change to kick in
- Customisation: Email account
- You can specify a store name in a String value called App.Email.StoreName
- This will then launch to the specified inbox instead of Outlook mail
- The store name is CASE SENSITIVE
- It doesn't appear to break if you enter a dodgy store name - just doesn't do anything Smile
- Unread message count indicator will be count of TOTAL emails across all accounts
- You NEED TO RESTART Home for this one to kick in
- Customisation: Tasks and Calendar
- You can specify an alternative app for Tasks and Calendar using the registry keys App.Path.Tasks and App.Path.Calendar
- If the alternative app requires command line args then you can supply them with the corresponding keys App.Path.Tasks.Args and App.Path.Calendar.Args
- You don't need to restart Home for this change to kick in
- Customisation: Phone
- To use an alternative dialer (or if your device has the problem of when you click the Phone icon it freezes for 8 seconds, then you can specify an alternative dialer (or any app really) using the registry key App.Path.Phone
- You don't need to restart Home for this change to kick in
- Customisation: Lock Screen
- To use an alternative lock screen application you can set the registry key App.Path.LockScreen. This should provide a workaround for Smartphone users who cannot get out of our lock screen.
- You don't need to restart Home for this change to kick in
Changes
- Clicking calendar icon from Home screen will go to the day view instead of week.
- When browsing applications, sometimes you would see a file called "icon" that didn't launch anything - it's actually on your device and is a real file but is hidden, so hidden files are now excluded from the list.
- Updated fonts to include extended characters.
Bug Fixes
- Support for special folder locations other than the default English ones.
- Phone numbers now include all characters in addition to standard digits.
- When the Phone icon is clicked and there are no phone calls in the history it now works correctly instead of showing a grey bar at the top.
- Japan added to weather locations.
Known Issues
- Not enough time in the day.
- Red Bull wearing off.
- VGA
- Devices without Phones
- Recurring Appointments
- Uninstall - we'll need to get the uninstall sorted out soon. All Pointui apps have a command line switch -uninstall that will prompt it to remove itself, registry settings etc, so you can use Update Manager to uninstall Home (through it's interface), and then get rid of Update Manager with command line. That will still leave the left soft key reverting to Phone, but pretty much everything else should be gone.
Head over to www.pointui.com for more info.

installing now.. thanks

Hi,
This version still doesn't show hebrew letters, Please give a chance to change the software fonts....
to Tahoma, since SEOGE (Or the fon't u'r using) doesn't have the hebrew letters.
Thanks.
Nadavi

Will finally get a chance to test now - was trying to wait for initial bugs to get fixed... Heard lots of great reviews on this app!

Thanks for the changes.
I will try this evening (german time)

This version introduces new problems. I'm enjoying SPB Backup like never before

Anyone had success removing this after install I have tried uninstalling via phone/ computer and it removes it from the list but does not remove the program. I would love not to have to hard reset.

you dont...
after normally uninstall on your phone/pda you can
delete the registry-keys under
HKLM\Software\PoitUI and the Home-directory
located under "Prgram Files" or "Programme" or
whatever language you have...
After reboot, all is like befor....normally
On my deinstall it worked so

CABs Please
Hi,
I don't use Windows and will be better if somebody post th eCABs files.
Regards,
Taguapire.

haiopei said:
you dont...
after normally uninstall on your phone/pda you can
delete the registry-keys under
HKLM\Software\PoitUI and the Home-directory
located under "Prgram Files" or "Programme" or
whatever language you have...
After reboot, all is like befor....normally
On my deinstall it worked so
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Jesus it puts the lotion on its skin. Where being held captive by a piece of software gotta love that. Talk about nazi'ism feels like AOL for mobile devices go ahead install if you dare will require a format if u want to get rid of us though.

Easy to remove if you do it the right way. You would have found this if you would have looked on the forums for the program.
To Remove .Home
Drop back to the default Windows Mobile Today Screen
Start > Programs > .Update Manager
Pointui Products > Home > 1.0 Free > Uninstall
Perform a Soft Reboot after the uninstall and Home will be removed.
To finish the uninstall, use Remove Programs to uninstall the update manager, you can delete the installation folder if you so desire and the icon form the start menu.

To bad this procedure does not work on the 6800 there is no uninstall option in the update manager.

Custom Program?
Can someone make a program that you don't have to go in the registry and make it easier to change on the fly.

blazingwolf said:
Easy to remove if you do it the right way. You would have found this if you would have looked on the forums for the program.
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Yeah, but going to the devs own forums and reading their instructions actually requires more than the single braincell a lot of people seem blessed with these days...

FloatingFatMan said:
Yeah, but going to the devs own forums and reading their instructions actually requires more than the single braincell a lot of people seem blessed with these days...
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I love when jackasses speak about things they dont know.

NexVision said:
I love when jackasses speak about things they dont know.
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And I love it when people with the IQ of a zit ask questions that are actually answered several times by several people on official forums.

NexVision said:
To bad this procedure does not work on the 6800 there is no uninstall option in the update manager.
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It is there on my 6800.

Yup a IQ of a zit because the uninstall instructions do not work for me or hundreds of others and we want this off of our device so we ask for help. Real good insult there dont quit your dayjob (if u even have one) anyways I am done with you thanks for being a complete and utter waste of space.
Thank you blazingwolf for your attempt although it did not work.
This method did though.. Still had to alter the softkey though but no biggie.
haiopei said:
you dont...
after normally uninstall on your phone/pda you can
delete the registry-keys under
HKLM\Software\PoitUI and the Home-directory
located under "Prgram Files" or "Programme" or
whatever language you have...
After reboot, all is like befor....normally
On my deinstall it worked so
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@Nexvision,
Did you go to the right location? It took me a minute to relize that I clicked on the wrong item one time.

blazingwolf said:
It is there on my 6800.
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HMMMMMMM maybe it was the version I downloaded then I even tried downloading a new version today reinstalling and uninstalling no dice still for the uninstall method posted (other then manual delete). Oh well.

How to properly close programs?

Hi guys,
I know you already know this, but I'm just wondering how you have dealt with the problem.
When you click on a program 'x' it doesn't really close the program like on a PC, as the program is still active in the Task Manager, which wastes power.
Is there a program which fixes this so that the 'x' means close properly? Or do you have to go to the Task Manager every time and close it from there?
Thanks a lot,
Paul

Welcome to the world to WM where Micro$oft decided "close" was a four letter word. There are many, many "x" button/task bar/task managers etc. out there to solve just this problem. Search a little and you'll find them. I personally use pBar, and the Oxios apps.

benmyers2941 said:
Welcome to the world to WM where Micro$oft decided "close" was a four letter word. There are many, many "x" button/task bar/task managers etc. out there to solve just this problem. Search a little and you'll find them. I personally use pBar, and the Oxios apps.
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Thanks. I was successful when I searched 'closing programs'. Why didn't I think of that before?!
I'm trying to use 'smclose', which requires placement in the startup folder. I can access this on the Wizard, but I can't find it through the Explore in Activesync!

Got it in by copying the file into Startup in Wizard. Thanks!

search for HTC X button 1.5 . it is the most stable version.
it allows you to close and to quit programs by tap and hold. also, in the today screen you have the option to close programs that you dont want to run while keeping the programs you want to run stay in minimized windows.

That sounds like a better tool SVI, thanks!

Seconds on the HTC X Button. It just does what you want, without a bunch of extra bunk.

how can i unlock 2 tabs only on opera on my TP2

im using chiese tp2 with tf3d, over here we have opera originaly come with my tp2 however, i can only open 2 tabs, one is first page and one more after that. my job needs to be using more tabs that HTC gave to us (2 tabs only) i normally needed 4~ 6 different tabs, therefore, im wondering that if there is anyone know how to unlock this "tab problem"
i have already tried to adjest the "max allowable" in opera:config, but wnehever i tried that still i can only open 2 tabs.
i really need to have this function to be unlocked, and please help me

There was a thread around here that contains the exact solution to your problem.

Solution
type in the browser "opera:config" without the quotes, scroll down to "User Prefs" and click on it. scroll though that list till you get to "Max Allowed tabs". i changed mine to 15, I dont recommend changing it to 100 and then trying to open 100 pages. My pc has firefox and ive only had to use a max of 25 tabs

Sprint TP2
I have tried this time & again to no avail. Am i doing something wrong?

you may already know this but you have to scroll down to the end of the user pref. section and click the save button after you change the setting.

mylok, yeah had done that already. no such luck.

The reason it won't work for you is because of push internet. Opera is always running in the background. That's why the changes you make in opera:config won't stick.
2 ways to go about it:
-disable push internet and stop Opera from running. You can't do this from the GUI. See here for details.
-or you can edit the opera.ini file directly with a text editor. This is actually quite easy. Save the file to your desktop and open it with notepad. It's very easy to figure out what you need to edit. Open it and try. Then overwrite the original file. (it's found under "\windows\opera9\")