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reply from SE regards "Froyo update on Xperia X10"

I posted the petition link on the Sony Ericsson UK and global Facebook sites and got the following reply from SE:
“Hi Mark, Thank you for your feedback regarding the Sony Ericsson X10’s Android upgrade.
We appreciate your feedback regarding this and have passed this on to the relevant department. We can confirm that this is something our developers are currently looking into and will provide further information once this is available.
Regards,
The Sony Ericsson Facebook Team
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There is hope guys

That does sound promising. To be fair, they couldn't have missed the huge reaction from their customers. Well over2000 responses to the petition already and it's only been a couple of days. Looking brighter?
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Hopefully that is the reason that the incremental upgrade which was due "a couple of weeks" from May 5th has not materialised. Hopefully their best bods are focussing on seeing if 2.2 is a possibility....
No doubt their developers have X10 phones andthemselves would like their phones to be running 2.2...

cashaw said:
Hopefully that is the reason that the incremental upgrade which was due "a couple of weeks" from May 5th has not materialised.
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... dont worry about that, this update was part of development for X10mini (pro), so we should see it in the next weeks.
and yes, 2.1 and NO 2.2 (froyo) brings only bad vibes for SE (and their future)

Something tells me that although the response sounds promising SE won’t change from their original plan. The 2000+ votes (As good as this is) only accounts for a fraction of the x10 owners out there.
Leaving out Froyo until a completely new line of phones can be used as a sell tool and a reason to adopt any new android phones they release where as if the x10 get the 2.2 now the new line would have to have more hardware advances to prove their worth increasing cost. Judging the hardware cut backs SE made with its flagship device most people can predict or assume the next wave of SE android phones will follow suit.
The petition needs to reach beyond the blogs to really make a difference, If the Japanese got wind of the petition and signed up that would really open SE eyes and i'm sure the speed increase of 2.2 would be enough to get them on board. Any ideas how?
"Most truths we're once deemed blasphemies"

At the moment the link is also twittered strongly think that makes the difference.

almaqdad said:
I posted the petition link on the Sony Ericsson UK and global Facebook sites and got the following reply from SE:
“Hi Mark, Thank you for your feedback regarding the Sony Ericsson X10’s Android upgrade.
We appreciate your feedback regarding this and have passed this on to the relevant department. We can confirm that this is something our developers are currently looking into and will provide further information once this is available.
Regards,
The Sony Ericsson Facebook Team
”
There is hope guys
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No hope.
Just a standard message ...
Where did you see hope there?

Well, it is something that should have been done. Since this is the best SE phone in a long time, with a potential to get better.
So if they are choosing to apply this update... Then I would assume that I would be even more satisfied with my phone. But right now, is the thing that annoys me the most.. That I can't buy applications here in Norway yet.
And I can do it in Morocco, and that country isn't on the list either.

All I can say that 2.2 finally provides bluetooth functionality for voice dial.
In places where it is illegal to hold a cellphone while driving, voice dialing using bluetooth is an extremely useful function. Android devices have been lacking this since 1.5 cupcake. Google finally added full bluetooth functionality on 2.2. I hope SE does the right thing and updates the X10 to reflect this.
It is very annoying when Apple updates the Iphone constantly and Android phones are stuck on whichever hardware manufacturer schedule to make its phone unique (e.g. sense, timescape, touchflow).
I think Google has the correct idea of separating future updates from the unique modifications that the manufacturers want. But for that to happen, all phones have to reach 2.2. first.

i work in a bar in malmö, sweden which the nearest city to where se have a rather huge campus there, anyway, i got a saw a japenese guy with an x10 and told him that we have the same phones, i told him that the x10 really needs froyo to be updated onto it and he told me that it will prob be on it sooner than you think.
he explained to me that they knew about people crying out for 2.1 and well get it sooner aswell!!
is there light at the end of the tunnel??

The petition needs to reach beyond the blogs to really make a difference said:
"Most truths we're once deemed blasphemies"[/b]
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Here to reach them,but we still someone to translate in japanesse for us,ill try to find someone on my day off.
http://xperia-fan.jp/community
And here the official Japanesse twiter
http://xperia.twinavi.jp/

I've asked a mate of mine (who's a 5th dan Shotokan Karate!!) to see if he can do it, or ask one of his Japanese contacts to do it for us.. will let you know if I have any luck.

Great i just use google translator on the site.....my lol We really need a real Japanesse speaker
but it tell me they are in the same boat then us at least ,seems they getting 2.1 to eventually.
OSAnroid OS version 1.6 release with time. Worldwide, the latest version is 2.0 or 2.1 was announced and has been released.
Xperia is the OS version yet, it seems to be positively considered.
Since October 2010 presentation of the model in summer 2010 Android OS 2.1 to upgrade to announced that.
発売時の搭載OSAnroid OS バージョン1.6。世界的には、最新バージョンは2.0や2.1が発表されたり、発売されています。
XperiaのOSバージョンアップは未定ですが、前向きに検討されているようです。
2010年夏モデルの発表会で2010年10月以降にAndroid OS 2.1へバージョンアップをすることを発表しました。

visitador02 said:
All I can say that 2.2 finally provides bluetooth functionality for voice dial.
In places where it is illegal to hold a cellphone while driving, voice dialing using bluetooth is an extremely useful function. Android devices have been lacking this since 1.5 cupcake. Google finally added full bluetooth functionality on 2.2. I hope SE does the right thing and updates the X10 to reflect this.
It is very annoying when Apple updates the Iphone constantly and Android phones are stuck on whichever hardware manufacturer schedule to make its phone unique (e.g. sense, timescape, touchflow).
I think Google has the correct idea of separating future updates from the unique modifications that the manufacturers want. But for that to happen, all phones have to reach 2.2. first.
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They are still lacking the AVRCP profile update. It is still stuck on v1.0.. when the latest version is v1.4

Yep. I bought an MW600 as it was advertised that it's fully compatible with X10, but after three months of emails flying around, SE concluded that it's not fully compatible due to Android's limitation on AVRCP profile.
For MW600 to work fully with X10, we need AVRCP 1.3 or above!!

Maybe we can stress SE to roll out an update for security reason? These few days, Malware, backdoors and trojans in official market place became hot topic.
And quote from CNET :
At least 50,000 people had downloaded the apps in question, according to enthusiast site AndroidCentral. However, many of those potentially infected may have been protected by staying current with the latest Android updates. AndroidCentral notes that Google actually patched its source code to prevent this type of exploit for users running Android 2.2.2 or higher and that the vulnerability doesn't exist at all in Gingerbread, aka Android 2.3.
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Reports: Google yanks infected Android apps
Chances might be slim, but it worth a try?

Anyone know a way to contact SE regarding this issues(security/android version update)? Or would like to help get this message to them?
Posted on Xperia X10 Official community forum. Any other site, email to send the message to them?

could work if we tell them that this can somehow damage their fw or idk

alankstiyo said:
could work if we tell them that this can somehow damage their fw or idk
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The attack is an exploit, they have to patch it.
You need to do a full system wipe and reset your phone completely, the data wipe and reset from settings may not be enough. This means ODIN, RUU's, .sbf files or a trip to your carrier store if this is beyond your capabilities.
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But then what about product id/IMEI/IMSI and our privacy (some of us do have paypal, google account :gmail, contacts,checkout/bank apps).

Postponing release until after 2.1 in Q3?

I got to thinking...bad sign.
Is there a chance you could pull an iphone dev team and hold off on release until the next major one from SE? Like how the iphone devs did with the 4.0 jailbreak where they waited so that Apple wouldn't patch the exploit. If it's relatively easy to patch it might be better to keep it undisclosed until 2.1 is released so they don't just patch it.

That's a long time to wait and see. SE themselves have pretty much admitted that their adjusted "Q3" release for Eclair on the X10 really means the end of Q3 (ie: late September), as they said the rollout would be Q3 through early Q4.
Also, what's the point in waiting. Root means ROM chefs can cook up FroYo ROMs for the X10, bypassing any need to ever install the official X10 Eclair release.

As far as I know we can downgrade our builds so it shouldn't be an issue.
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saltorio said:
Also, what's the point in waiting. Root means ROM chefs can cook up FroYo ROMs for the X10, bypassing any need to ever install the official X10 Eclair release.
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Well the X10 is still being sold so it might start shipping with 2.1 after that release and if the exploit can potentially work on X8, which might ship with 2.1, it would mean that if it's released now SE might "fix" it making the X8 harder to root.

robbyf66 said:
As far as I know we can downgrade our builds so it shouldn't be an issue.
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For now, but there's no guarantee SE won't start locking down updates so that the updates need to be signed for the update to even start taking place.

come on! if the are interesting to block root down they will!! we are talking about Sony Ericsson, you think they're weirds (at least technically speaking...)

Well - for what it's worth - SE did clarify on their forums that though they're not supporting rooting, that simply means they won't do anything to ease the process and not that they're actively going to try to prevent rooting from happening.
With that said, they could always fix the exploit used by the rooters and say it's a security fix, and... oops... it also happened to prevent the existing root from being performed.
I agree with the rooters decision not to release the exploit they're using, and hope they can mask it in their final public root process to make it harder for SE to figure out.

couldnt resist asking this question.....
for how many days can you keep this off?
how many 1.6 versions do we have for x10?
will it not take a week for SE to cover this exploit even after 2.1 and release a new version?
i am not against anyone or their ideas (respect the devs behind root and their master minds)...but just my 2 cents to this.... i dont think stopping the root for 3 months will gain us so much....if wanted SE can burry the root exploit in a week's update after 2.1.....

I thought that now we have a rootable signed rom even if SE patch the exploit in future firmware, we can always downgrade to the current firmware then install customizations from there.
I dont see an easy way for SE to block downgrading as the current signed firmware is hosted all over the web and it can be flashed using the debranding method without connecting to SE servers.
what will be interesting to see is whether root gives us a way of signing new firmware or flashing non signed firmware..
ohhh the possibilities !

There is only one version of 1.6. The rest is just changes made by the manufacturers.
From my prior experience with HTC, once you achieve root, you NEVER want to update your phone using their official Rom. NOT matter how enticing the newer version of the rom is. It is on the manufacturers' interest to close the loopholes.
For example, when the Rogers branded HTC Magic was upgraded to include the Sense interface, it closed the root. People had to wait like three months before someone could root the phone again.

I don't think SE will try to patch the root. Why do I think that?
(1) It takes them so long to even come out with firmware/OS to begin with, it's just too much effort for them to add anything else on the plate.
(2) Se knows that blocking any efforts will hurt their bottom line, they want to sell more devices so why hurt that?

SE could actually patch the loop hole or whatever in an update by accident anyhow.....

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SE could actually patch the loop hole or whatever in an update by accident anyhow.....
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Exactly. Waiting for 2.1 to be released might be a fruitless waste of time.
The best option is to hide the roothack mechanism as best they can. There's only so much you can do.

mtechfan said:
(2) Se knows that blocking any efforts will hurt their bottom line, they want to sell more devices so why hurt that?
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I'd agree, were past decisions not to the contrary. If they really wanted to sell more devices, they:
1.) wouldn't have released buggy firmware to reviewers the world over, resulting in mediocre to poor reviews prior to launch.
2.) would have included multi-touch support in the X10 hardware, as they had originally stated.
3.) would not be taking their sweet time getting an OS update out for the X10 line, and would more than likely already have 2.1 available with 2.2 set for later this year.

......and perhaps SE would be secretly happy that root has been achieved so that moves all of us complainers off their backs so they can focus on updates for the majority of their users...
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once rooted why would we even download SE's 2.1 update ? or any other SE update ? no need too

andy8271 said:
once rooted why would we even download SE's 2.1 update ? or any other SE update ? no need too
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Of course not, but chances are that they'll start shipping the new phones with it already installed. Like the X8 or any X10 made after the release for that matter.

True, but some of the features included in Sony's update would be integrated into a cooked ROM update.
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True, but some of the features included in Sony's update would be integrated into a cooked ROM update.
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I'm thinking of being able to root the ones released with an update already installed. I doubt it will happen, it's just food for thought at this point.

quick question..
what's the point of them closing the loopholes?
i mean.. it's not like nintendo ds or psp where you hack it and you can d/l games for free and they lose revenue on that..
we just want to be able to use the phone to it's max potential ..how it was meant to be when built..
so why is this not supported by companies and why do they make it hard for ppl to root?

Rikard: rolling out next Update for the Xperia x8

There's a new post by Rikard on the blog.
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/02/01/next-update-for-the-xperia-x10-and-x8-family
All that is mentioned for the x8 is:
"the mini products and the Xperia X8 we
also have enabled the ANT+ support in the
chipset. "
and thats it.
No dual touch, new Timescape, no changes to 4 corner UI, so called uxp update is a sham.
SE is crazy. No 2.2, ok we cried but we stayed mum. But going back on a promise of providing a decent update is pretty sad.

How can they not post DT for X8. I dont care about the stupid timescape, or the stupid launcher. All I want is DT (and most of the users here).
$$%$%$%!%$%$%$%

same with me
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How can they not post DT for X8. I dont care about the stupid timescape, or the stupid launcher. All I want is DT (and most of the users here).
$$%$%$%!%$%$%$%
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u are quietly right!!!!but froyo still needed...

i used US firmware, and check with SEUS and PC com, there's no update available.
Anyone has new update? and can you share your SI number? hope that new update is not china firmware, cause it makes my phone slower than US firmware

In case we will receive this update, am i right assuming it will delete anything on the phone?
So we have to reinstall all our apps, adjust settings again and so on?

Come on guys, SE never promised dualtouch for the X8! We don't even know if it's possible. I think we have no right to cry about this, as we bought our phone knowing there would be no multitouch.

Dammit guys! Why are you complaining? They'll enable ANT+!!! Don't you know how useful is it? It'll save many lives, and since we all have ANT+ monitoring devices, DT should be our least concern...
xD, yeah right... I really really don't see any purpose of ANT+, can't they at least give us DT?
All I can say right now is: SE, you haven't said a word about 2.2 on Xperia, while developers got 2.3 working on X10 and racht is in progress of making it work on our X8-s (I hope)...

Google construct the Android OS and SE is 2 lazy to customize it
SE u disappointed us all

The X8 update will start rolling out one week after the x10, so arnd 2-3 days more and we can expect it to begin, not that it'll add much but I want to see if they have made any improvements to the UI.

One "improvement" they surelly done is patch up the root exploit, so I would say not to update...

CaptainZap said:
One "improvement" they surelly done is patch up the root exploit, so I would say not to update...
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They have spy on forum.
No other way to know that.

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They have spy on forum.
No other way to know that.
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They could have found the exploit on their own.

As you bought the X8, did you read something about multitouch or Froyo 2.2? No. Point.

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As you bought the X8, did you read something about multitouch or Froyo 2.2? No. Point.
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As I bought x8, i read that it has ANDROID os AND when i bought it, x8 was new on the market. The most popular os in the world must be upgraded and it must have MT,Flash and app2sd.

Really, really dissapointed about this phone, seems to me that the next phone I buy will deffo not be a SE ( and I'm loyal to SE since my first mobile phone back in 1998 )
Way to screw users by not offering decent updates.

we want froyo in our x8 becuz this is our law. se must unlock the boot loader.

CaptainZap said:
One "improvement" they surelly done is patch up the root exploit, so I would say not to update...
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agreed..
i m not updating my phone until SE brings MT or froyo to the X8 (which is never)
this is seriously my last SE phone

Stop hoping for nothing, the X8 will never get froyo or MT oficially... the only solution will be to get a working froyo rom for the x8 and that will be it. Sony screwed me one time with the X8, but it will be the last time i buy a SE phone.

still not available in Croatia...

I just want to say"SE u disappointed us all"

Bootloader unlock Q3/4 2011?

I messaged motorola yesterday and I received this response
"Hi Jack, I refer you to our recent statement re. Bootloader: Motorola will enable an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on MOTOROLA XOOM, in future software releases where carrier and operator partners will allow it. We understand... the operator requirement for security to the end user, and will look to strike a balance with the need to support developer communities in using these products as a development platform. It is our intention to include the unlockable/relockable bootloader in software releases starting in late 2011.
In the meantime, Motorola provides a number of resources to developers to foster the ecosystem including tools and access to devices for developers at http://developer.motorola.com"
What do you think?

Old news .. they say that since a week.. i personally doubt it... its just that i dont believe motorola.. also "if carrier allows it" and "in future software releases".. who knows if the Milestone2 ever gets an update.. and the carrier thing.. they could use it as a backdoor

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Old news .. they say that since a week.. i personally doubt it... its just that i dont believe motorola.. also "if carrier allows it" and "in future software releases".. who knows if the Milestone2 ever gets an update.. and the carrier thing.. they could use it as a backdoor
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I replied asking about the unlocked phones which can't really come under "carrier allowance" so i dno...

I think they will unlock bootloaders only on new phones, no old.

That would be pretty lame from them to drop out not-so-old Milestone 2 from getting such an update. What is even more lame is the estimated time such update would come out...

Bootloader Unlocked ??

Hello gyus. I just want to know why doesn't SE unlock xperia x8 bootloader.Sorry, I'm a newbie
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Well, pretty useless topic.
I think they just wanna be in control and they probably don't want people to mess with their devices, because of warranty.
Sony always did that and always will, not only with phones.

Okay.thank you mr.hat
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i thought sony unlocked the bootloader of other xperia models, i may be wrong but im nearly sure the x10 was unlocked.

http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/which-phones
Not for X8 yet.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/e3748ae6f8f4925b#
Their page on groups, perhaps if we go there and claim the bootloader unlock for our phone they might listen to us... or not:
SE on Facebook said:
There are not plans for Xperia X8 to get 2.2 or later unfortunately, and there's no plan to unlock the boot loader for it either.
The boot loader decision was taken not so long ago and it goes for the newer phone's released. For the already released phone (prior to this decision) it would not be possible since it would violate agreements.
Check this link for full info,
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/wp/20...e-boot-loader-in-the-new-xperia™-smartphones/
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Eh, let's hope that our developers make this possible, SE has abandoned us.