Hi, I am looking at the XOOM for doing some wireless Auditing around work. I was hoping that you would be able to provide some insight on its feasibility...
things on my wish list to find & map are: infrastructure mode AP's, Ad Hoc & polling/active clients.
I have some experience using Kismet on a laptop and it is the kind of functionality i would like.. just would like a more portable form factor for this, it will involve driving around a large campus style location and walking through buildings..
My Questions:
from what i have read, the Broadcom chipset used in these devices do not have a "Monitor" or "RFMON" Mode that would allow it to see all the packets flying by.. I have read a bit in some other forums about some work being done on this, but no recent activity... does anyone know of any current efforts on this?
I have read in previous discussions that the Xoom has problems connecting to a Ad-Hoc mode devices, does it still detect it?
I havent played with the Android war-driving apps too much, are they listening for packets or is it a probe and respond due to the lack of RFMON?
For those with experience, which war-driving apps would you recommend with the pros & cons?
Thanks in advance!
I can't answer most of your questions but I can say that my Xoom does not see my Samsung Epic when I set up wireless tether in Adhoc mode, only when I set it up in Infrastructure mode. It doesn't even see the SSID, but my netbook sees it fine.
I'm a diehard Android fan to say the least I'm an anti-apple but I do keep my options open. I own a few Touch, iPad, SGS Fascinate and Samsung Galaxy tab 2.2 and the Xoom is/was on my list. Last night I spend sometimes with the iPad that I own or should I say my kids owns it, I got IOS 4.3 GM on it to see the improvements. All I can say it's the same, no big changes except for better Apple TV support and browser speed. It's been months since I looked what was available on iTunes for it and to tell you the truth on what I saw was impressive. This has not changed my mind on getting the Xoom or did it? Now on Xoom, I've been reading almost every reviews on the net about it, spend a few hours with it at the local store "BB Bj's etc" and after reading the Ars review, I feel a little bit more hesitant about getting now than 2 days ago! I intend to get the Xoom Wifi only ver but no one knows when it will arrive, and what’s up with Europe getting it first? I have the deepest feeling that in six to ten months Honeycomb support will explode for it but that's in the future. With the release of the iPad 2, anyone getting it will look away from Android tablet for at least a year even if the Android tablet support quadruples. Starting March 11, the road is going to get very bumpy for Android and companies releasing Tablet for it. Just like harsaphes said, I too is on the fence for the Xoom…
Let me know what do you think about the Xoom no fanboys argument…Thanks guys
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I can't answer most of your questions but I can say that my Xoom does not see my Samsung Epic when I set up wireless tether in Adhoc mode, only when I set it up in Infrastructure mode. It doesn't even see the SSID, but my netbook sees it fine.
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Have you tried with a wardriving app?
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No. I was just in the settings looking for the Epic wireless tether SSID.
I've been reading up lately and I had a question about the Iconia that I haven't been able to find an answer for. Does the Acer Iconia, or Tegra 250 chipset in general, have any kind of hardware DRM? I've been reading up on the upcoming netflix app and it seems like it will only run on android devices that have some type of Hardware DRM incorperated. Does the Iconia have any type of DRM hardware? If not, does that mean we won't ever be able to use the Netflix App when it is made available?
From what we've heard, Netflix will only be working with Intel chipsets at the moment.
When I first read about this news, I was pissed. I even tried to rally a few people to write and protest Netflix because of this. It's a delicate thing. I want to support Netflix because of the great price and the great service, but I don't want them telling me what device I can and cannot use their service on.
It's funny because the CEO was just talking about not being a cable company...yet here they are talking about limiting their exposure on devices.
I really wish we could get a petition going or have everybody with an Android device send them an e-mail telling them we don't want this type of precedent set and that we won't accept it. I could live without Netflix...I just don't want to.
Until we scream and shout for what we want, we'll have to settle using PlayOn to get our Netflix and Hulu fix on your non-Intel tablet.
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I've been reading up lately and I had a question about the Iconia that I haven't been able to find an answer for. Does the Acer Iconia, or Tegra 250 chipset in general, have any kind of hardware DRM? I've been reading up on the upcoming netflix app and it seems like it will only run on android devices that have some type of Hardware DRM incorperated. Does the Iconia have any type of DRM hardware? If not, does that mean we won't ever be able to use the Netflix App when it is made available?
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As far as I know Tegra 2 has no inherent DRM technologies, thus the Iconia A500 isn't blessed with any DRM hardware...HOWEVER, DRM can also be exclusively software based and I'm pretty sure Honeycomb has some keen DRM tech and will be getting updates with even more secure DRM. Of course, Netflix (or moreso, it's partners) may not settle for that so it's still up in the air.
At this point, and though I don't like being pessimistic about things - I'd advise against looking forward to an Official Netflix app on the Google Market (for now). If you want Netflix badly enough, I'd say wait for a tablet that is released with the app built in or wait until an App comes and see what the requirements are. The requirement will either be hardware, eg: requires snapdragon xxxx or Exynos based device or software, eg: requires Honeycomb 3.1.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions, I'm surprised people aren't making a bigger deal out of this. I like the idea of having a petition or email campaign to netflix, not to chastise or threaten them, but rather to express that as educated consumers we would like to know that our money is being spent wisely, and that products we buy today will not be outdated within weeks. I've taken the liberty of drafting a letter that can be sent to netflix. Feel free to copy the letter and send it, or post it somewhere on XDA so that we can try to collect signatures and support.
Dear Netflix,
First and foremost, we would like to take the time to express our gratitude towards your company, and the fantastic service that it provides. Even with the current state of the economy, most companies that provide media and entertainment to consumers charge outlandish fee's, provide poor support, and overall, do not seem concerned with offering customers a quality service at a reasonable price.
Netflix has been one of the very few exceptions to the status quo, and continues to offer great content at a great price, much to the dismay of large cable corporations, who seem content on increasing prices while not improving infrastructure, or providing more content to their customers. We also applaud your companies willingness to provide content on a large variety of devices. Netflix is one of the only companies that seems to actually want to provide an excellent affordable service that users can enjoy on their own terms, on whatever hardware they prefer.
It is because of this, that we would like to reach out to Netflix and open a dialogue concerning the future of the company, and it's plans for Android implementation.
A large concern among the public right now is whether or not Netflix plans to release its Android application in a state that will only allow it to run on devices that contain integrated hardware DRM. As you may already know, a large amount of tablet PC's are being released into the market right now, the majority of which are running on the Nvidia Tegra 250 chipset, which has no native hardware DRM. This puts consumers in a difficult position, on the one hand these devices are very powerful, and offer a good user experience for the price. On the other hand, consumers are unsure about the future of these devices. There have been rumors that new versions of the Honeycomb operating system will contain software DRM, but that still leaves consumers with a lingering question. Do we spend five hundred dollars on hardware that may not be compatible with Netflix, or do we wait indefinitely to see if the devices will be able to utilize Netflix services?
We realize that Netflix is involved in a very competitive business, and for obvious reasons, it is in the companies best interest to not explain it's entire game plan to the world. On the other hand, as consumers, we like to know that we are making wise purchases that will meet the expectations we have.
We are requesting that Netflix reveals more information about it's future plans for supporting the Android operating system. More specifically, we would like to know if the Netflix Android application will work on devices that only have hardware DRM, or if the company has any plans to support software DRM integrated into future releases of the Android operating system.
Any information you could provide on this subject would be of great help to the Android community, as well as consumers who value the service that Netflix provides. Thank you very much for taking the time to read this request, and we hope you will consider releasing information that will clarify the future DRM requirements for the Android Netflix Application.
Thank you.
Makes no difference unless Acer were to pay to have the A500 as a device to work on Netflix servers (assuming the chipset qualifies). LG Revolution is the only device so far.
I wonder if Google will spare a very small fraction of their billions to give blanket approval for Android devices that have the approved chipsets? Nah.
I'm pretty sure the tab's HDMI supports HDCP. For what that is worth.
Having Trouble with USB ports and speakers
Hi, y'all,
I have been around computers software and hardware wise for years. I am new to the Acer a500 Iconia Tab world. But I can not get my acer to acknowledge my computer to root or to upload and now my speakers are gone. Is there someone who can help me on these issues? I think the problems are hardware related. I tried searching the internet but no luck. I hope y'all have a good one.
Hi i managed to scav a bluetooth headset from my family to try the mad catz m.o.j.o on skype and with voice controll yet using a samsung BCE-WEP-150 bluetooth headset does not work and neither does using a motorcycle intercom that is bluetooth on the motorcycle one i hear sound on the samsung i get zip nada nothing at all from it.
Any good ideas why this is not working please i really need to get skype going,there'sc a small response on mad catz webpage forum,but it talks [email protected] it states plug a mic in the headphone jack which it does not work from a wired headset,i'm guessing mad catz have been very naughty at a guess and barred 3rd party devices that are bluetooth,that is a complete guess but if not i would love to know why they are not working.
Answer for why bluetooth does not work on m.o.j.o
I have resorted to finding an answer for this and it looks like mad catz used a right [email protected] os version number namely android 4.2. for the m.o.j.o.The problem is reported in a post i copied a piece of here is what it said:
"But even if my phone did have the right kind of radio for Bluetooth 4.0, my current operating system, Android 4.2.2, doesn’t support Bluetooth Smart. Android users won't be able to use Bluetooth 4.0 until they get Android 4.3 (assuming they have the right hardware).*"
So as you can see it's like windows with android one bad version one good version or so it seems the case any way,if you had android 4.3 on the m.o.j.o none of this would have happened.
They need to update to kitkat very quickly,people must be getting sick of a lot of the bugs like hdmi not being 1080p over hdmi for some now,and no bluetooth smart support,what's next oh yeah the games for tegra 4 don't work if they are new one's now,and all because it wants kitkat 4.4 which again the m.o.j.o built specificaly for tegra 4 optimized games is yet to recieve,but the time it is taking mad catz to sort it all out is not fitting with the statement of a spring update to add ouya everywhere either whhich it's technicaly summer now not spring in the uk.
It's getting more and more dissapointing the further into the os features you delve to be honest it's probably pushing people to buy the shield which is a handheld,i mean what's the point of releasing a brand new console in the shadow of the kitkat os when it can run kitkat and then keep us waiting forever and then some?
All the while while reports [email protected] these bugs off they loose customers they need to release kitkat sooner rather than too late imo.
Mad catz should publicly announce the pdate to kitkat instead of hiding away and avoiding any question like when i asked their developer,he stated "i am not allowed to talk about it"
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I have resorted to finding an answer for this and it looks like mad catz used a right [email protected] os for the m.o.j.o.The problem is reported in a post i copied a piece of here is what it said.
"But even if my phone did have the right kind of radio for Bluetooth 4.0, my current operating system, Android 4.2.2, doesn’t support Bluetooth Smart. Android users won't be able to use Bluetooth 4.0 until they get Android 4.3 (assuming they have the right hardware).*"
So as you can see it's like windows with android one bad version one good version or so it seems,if you had 4.3 on the m.o.j.o none of this would have happened.They need to update to kitkat very quickly,people must be getting sick of a lot of the bugs like hdmi not being 1080p over hdmi for some now no bluetooth smart support,what's next oh yeah the games for tegra 4 don't work if they are new one's now all because it wants kitkat 4.4 which again the m.o.j.o built specificaly for tegra 4 optimized games is yet to recieve,but the time it is taking mad catz to sort it all out is not fitting with the statement of a spring update to add ouya everywhere either.
All the while while reports [email protected] these bugs off they loose customers they need to release kitkat sooner rather than too late imo.
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Agreed, kit Kat needs to come soon.
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There needs to be a collective bombardment on their twitter and facebook pages giving the faults we find and the disgust that kitkat is needed for games that are coming out in tegrazone,meaning where all being left behind
If people did that they would panic and be forced to give details of a guarenteed deadline,and where they are with the update building process,not only that but they may point out the added features and/or fixes if we state the faults in the current version os for the m.o.j.o.
It needs masses of people to throw a complaint at them on twitter and facebook publicly for everyone to see as it will make them come out of hiding then.I had to do that to find out whymy hdmi didn't work it took 7 days before the main dev called me after threatening to call trading standards for mis-selling the product in advertised statements on both game uk and in their official page,they still both have not changed the ad to reflect the 720p only for some tv's issue either and they know damn well some don't work at 1080p.According to trading law in the uk that's illegal to do from what a guy who studies law has told me.What they should do is tell everyone about it and tell them kitkat is going to fix it and when it is due,thus solving everyone's dilema at once.
It would not only give every owner peace of mind to do that,but would incourage huge sales revenue,because people want a working unit and kitkat otherwise they'll just opt for shield or a different android tv without tegra but octa core and kitkat,or a decnt quad core and kitkat instead.
It defeats the object of having a tegra 4 gaming device you can't play tegra 4 optimized new release games on?
And to make it worse the majority of tegra 3 games aren't backwards compatible with a mad catz m.o.j.o to add insult to more insult.
It seems every other device is getting good games and the mad catz m.oj.o is getting nothing but mad catz m.o.j.o problems .
What would be even more insulting is if they only release a ouya everywhere update without being included into a kitkat os update that's probably the next insulting thing that will happen.
What would be really good would be a website named mad catz m.o.j.o problems in a google search,a site where everyone vents there problems on and kicks mad catz into taking some action to correct it lol.That would scare them into action for sure,it would be one of the most searched criteria for new buyers before buying people offen punch a search with that criteria to see if they should avoid the product or buy it.It would come up in the top searches of mad catz m.o.j.o on google for certain there would be nowhere for them to hide then and nothing to excuse the issues.
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There needs to be a collective bombardment on their twitter and facebook pages giving the faults we find and the disgust that kitkat is needed for games that are coming out in tegrazone,meaning where all being left behind
If people did that they would panic and be forced to give details of a guarenteed deadline,and where they are with the update building process,not only that but they may point out the added features and/or fixes if we state the faults in the current version os for the m.o.j.o.
It needs masses of people to throw a complaint at them on twitter and facebook publicly for everyone to see as it will make them come out of hiding then.I had to do that to find out whymy hdmi didn't work it took 7 days before the main dev called me after threatening to call trading standards for mis-selling the product in advertised statements on both game uk and in their official page,they still both have not changed the ad to reflect the 720p only for some tv's issue either and they know damn well some don't work at 1080p.According to trading law in the uk that's illegal to do from what a guy who studies law has told me.What they should do is tell everyone about it and tell them kitkat is going to fix it and when it is due,thus solving everyone's dilema at once.
It would not only give every owner peace of mind to do that,but would incourage huge sales revenue,because people want a working unit and kitkat otherwise they'll just opt for shield or a different android tv without tegra but octa core and kitkat,or a decnt quad core and kitkat instead.
It defeats the object of having a tegra 4 gaming device you can't play tegra 4 optimized new release games on?
And to make it worse the majority of tegra 3 games aren't backwards compatible with a mad catz m.o.j.o to add insult to more insult.
It seems every other device is getting good games and the mad catz m.oj.o is getting nothing but mad catz m.o.j.o problems .
What would be even more insulting is if they only release a ouya everywhere update without being included into a kitkat os update that's probably the next insulting thing that will happen.
What would be really good would be a website named mad catz m.o.j.o problems in a google search,a site where everyone vents there problems on and kicks mad catz into taking some action to correct it lol.That would scare them into action for sure,it would be one of the most searched criteria for new buyers before buying people offen punch a search with that criteria to see if they should avoid the product or buy it.It would come up in the top searches of mad catz m.o.j.o on google for certain there would be nowhere for them to hide then and nothing to excuse the issues.
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I love the M.O.J.O. (obviously) due to what is under the hood and the fact that it is a set top box. I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying however. Kit Kat needs to be released, Ouya everywhere, and various other patches/fixes. I have faith that these will happen eventually, but the sooner the better. Right now this is the most powerful set top box on the market that runs Android, so it's not like I have an alternative right now. The shield seems to have gotten it right, but I am not in the market for a handheld
BTW, what is going on with HDMI for you? I am using a 48inch Seiki 1080P TV, and I am absolutely getting 1080P with the Mojo.
They had to go with 4.2.2, kitkat wasn't out... it's not there fault.. it was explained from the start (oldest posts here)
They had the foresight to improve the hardware even though the OS wasn't ready... and we'll benefit from that when kitkat comes.
This happens with new bleed edge tech...
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Thanks, explains why the retail CTRLR requires BT(2) on the MOJO.
So the dongle is only for the MOJO CTRLR and nothing else... a bit of a shame.
I don't think complaining would help.. but yeah better communication would be good.
I think kitkat would have been here by now if it wasn't for ouya everywhere.
I guess they have a limited android team and if they have to help with ouya everywhere (in return for being first?) then that sucks, but oh well... it will come when it comes :/
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I love the M.O.J.O. (obviously) due to what is under the hood and the fact that it is a set top box. I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying however. Kit Kat needs to be released, Ouya everywhere, and various other patches/fixes. I have faith that these will happen eventually, but the sooner the better. Right now this is the most powerful set top box on the market that runs Android, so it's not like I have an alternative right now. The shield seems to have gotten it right, but I am not in the market for a handheld
BTW, what is going on with HDMI for you? I am using a 48inch Seiki 1080P TV, and I am absolutely getting 1080P with the Mojo.
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The HDMI issue is as i am told by the mad catz team developer is as follows:The 1080p output works on most tv's but some tv's it will display only 720p this is due to the fact that some tv's have issues forcing 1080p on the mad catz m.o.j.o,as it's a communication problem between some tv's and android 4.2.2 over HDMI on the mad catz m.o.j.o.
I have MOJO for several months now, when i initially bought it, i showed it to all my friends, and bragged about the potential of this product.
After all this months, its just sad, the lack of support or competence of the manufacters to actually stand by their product.
Beeing a developer and an android enthusiast, it's just sad to see how poorly this hole process has been developed.
The console itself has several issues, the play store, for me is a huge deal breaker. You can't have a main selling point of the product (the full access to play store and tegra zone) when most of the products there, altought i can see them, are not compatible either with the console itself, or worse, the gamepad isn't recognized. Titles like Portal 2 and Half Life 2, made precisely for MOJO's hardware, and i cant play it.
You can't also ask regular users to Root their device after every update. Either support the non rooted version, or it has to be rooted by default.
I could be a regular user who just wants to play some vice city on my TV, don't know or care how to root. This isn't a developer edition!!
The OS itself has several issues, from the basic ones ( I CANT RESTART OR SHUTDOWN THE CONSOLE w/ unplugging it), no resolution settings. I have several audio lag issues when the console is left on for days. So even for media, i can't have XBMC running 100% there.I do have a Samsung Beam (very slow 1.0 dual core) with buggy OS and i have hours and hours of projecting XBMC media without ANY issues.
The support is next to nothing. I've installed the latest update from MadCatz, i was so happy with more google play support etc.. Turns out when i didn't want to create a OUYA account, now i have OUYA Framework crashing every 5 minutes. Just perfect.
The other main selling point was the gamepad, a solid, well construct Controller, with amazing gaming tecnology from madcatz.
Well, beside the construction, there's nothing else good about the gamepad. I have a bunch of tablets and phones, i have a really hard time connecting and staying connected with my Android 4.4.2 devices. I'm constantly losing my Connection with the gamepad, and the REconnection is just painfull, i have to restart the gameopad a few times before i can get it to work again.
Also most of the games with gamepad support doesn't recognize the CTRLR.. WTF, MadCatz team, even the simple part of getting in touch with game developers, didn't do their homework.
Mad Catz could however, try to compensate somehow, and make a decent Gamepad Mapper. Nothing on this been release, has been months.
If this was a review of the product i would give it 2/10. And the 2 is for the choice of using Nvidia's tegra 4, and thats the only good thing about this.
The lack of support of XDA's developers, given the potential of the device shown by nvidia's shield portable, is insane.
I no longer brag about this with my friends, i'm just ashamed and deceived to have spent 250 bucks on this. I'm buying Nvidia's shield tablet and try to forget Madcatz and my 250$
Thanks MadCatz.
Wish I could have disagreed with at least one of the points you raised but I can't. 2 out of 10/that's quite generous mad cats well an truely ****ed this one up and don't appear to give a flying %uck. As you pointed out endless potential totally wasted. If anyone from madcatz ever reads these kinda posts get in touch with cyanogenmod or any of the renound teams who know what their doing and give them the contract to build the software rather than wherever cowboys currently produce ur shabby android builds cause their update supports abismal what ever u payed em its way to much
I completely agree with the OP, I purchased two Madcatz Mojos when the only other box was an Ouya. I was drooling over the potential of the Tegra 4 processor. The biggest issue with this box is its software, even though it was promised we still don’t have 4.4 and for such powerful chip it doesn’t support DTS or Dolby Digital bypass. Like most of you I got sick of waiting and have purchased an Amazon Fire TV instead, I sold one of my madcatz mojo for $160 on craigslist and used that money in addition with the money from selling my nexus 7 to purchase an nvidia shield tablet. Now that’s a company that did it right. I am going to selling my last Madcatz Mojo by the end of this month once I finish some testing with my 4k TV.
Well guys you beat me to it, I thought it was about time to join & post my feelings on the MOJO I purchased in December upon UK release but OP has written an almost identical post to what I drafted. Mad Catz could have done so much with the console which offered so much potential but lack of support has killed it before its even got started.
I feel it wouldn't be so bad if we were all kept in the loop on progress to bring us a new OS, further Play Store compatibility, gamepad mapping etc, but not a word!
I have tried to convince myself the £220 purchase was worth it, but its very hard to justify it when you look at the Shield & the Shield tablet, my Ouya is used everyday & the MOJO sits gathering dust without the power cord connected!
I beg the Mad Catz team to read these posts & at least come back to us with something, I know they do come on here so use your voice guys & throw us something.
At present I'm sure they are sat laughing that they have our money so why should they care? Well this forum ranks high on Google & must be hurting potential sales & I certainly won't buy or recommend another Mad Catz product & thats from a household which owns every major console released & has a competition PC gamer living it.
Thanks Mad Catz
I'll add my voice to the chorus, since it looks like this thread has the potential to become one of the longest ones in the Mad Catz forum.
I was new to Android but after having a great experience customizing a Nexus phone (thanks to the XDA community!) I fell for the hype and bought a M.O.J.O once root became available. Was ok with the limited number of games because Mad Catz said they were working with developers blah, blah, blah The games that work, are interesting and don't require key mapping are very few. I think I have 3 installed and don't remember the last time I played one.
It's still attached to the tv, for Netflix, but with a different input device. For those of you outside the US, after installing Set DNS and using some of its default settings I can access US Netflix so that's a plus. It's good for roms too.
This device had so much potential but the company looks like it doesn't have a clue. What's worse is that they flat out lied to customers about the Kit Kat update. From day one they said that "they were working on it, it was coming soon. it was with Google waiting for approval, etc. etc." and those were all total lies. I can't give any more of my money to a company that treats its customers like that. The sad part is that they could have easily found someone to outsource the Kit Kat work to right here on XDA, but even their employees joined this community after the product was launched.
I encourage others to add their thoughts to this thread.
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Well guys you beat me to it, I thought it was about time to join & post my feelings on the MOJO I purchased in December upon UK release but OP has written an almost identical post to what I drafted. Mad Catz could have done so much with the console which offered so much potential but lack of support has killed it before its even got started.
I feel it wouldn't be so bad if we were all kept in the loop on progress to bring us a new OS, further Play Store compatibility, gamepad mapping etc, but not a word!
I have tried to convince myself the £220 purchase was worth it, but its very hard to justify it when you look at the Shield & the Shield tablet, my Ouya is used everyday & the MOJO sits gathering dust without the power cord connected!
I beg the Mad Catz team to read these posts & at least come back to us with something, I know they do come on here so use your voice guys & throw us something.
At present I'm sure they are sat laughing that they have our money so why should they care? Well this forum ranks high on Google & must be hurting potential sales & I certainly won't buy or recommend another Mad Catz product & thats from a household which owns every major console released & has a competition PC gamer living it.
Thanks Mad Catz
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The reason they don't answer this kind of posts, and the reason you don't get any feedback on the work being done by Madcatz on MOJO, it's because you wont like those answers. The few units sold probably just made them stop working on this.
Again, as a developer, i think i'de get fired if i delivered such a final product or software. Just amateur.
Anyone thinking about buying this, just dont, anyone who already bought it just say Thank's madcatz and cry a tear for their hard work.
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The reason they don't answer this kind of posts, and the reason you don't get any feedback on the work being done by Madcatz on MOJO, it's because you wont like those answers. The few units sold probably just made them stop working on this.
Again, as a developer, i think i'de get fired if i delivered such a final product or software. Just amateur.
Anyone thinking about buying this, just dont, anyone who already bought it just say Thank's madcatz and cry a tear for their hard work.
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You beat me to it again OP, however I would like to hear from MC themselves & have just invited Alex Verrey from MadCatz to join this thread with the following:
Dear Mr. Verry,
I do hope I find you in good health & apologise for this unconventional communication regarding a MadCatz product.
I am a supporter of MadCatz products & purchased the M.O.J.O in late 2013, a product which you handled the P.R for to great effect.
However myself & others have become disillusioned with Madcatz by the serious omissions in support & features this product needs & as such would like to invite yourself or any other MadCatz employee to join the recent topic on the XDA Developers Forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mad-catz-mojo/general/im-t2852370
I think if you find the time to read through the aforementioned thread I need say little more & thank you in advance for any assistance you may offer to myself & the M.O.J.O community.
I agree the software support side of the mojo is disappointing, that's not to say it's not there at all.
It's hasn't even been a month since the last update! ie 4K TV, better google play & BT support.
Yes, it's two steps forward, one step back (now root doesn't fix google play), but Madcatz is a hardware company and still new to android and SW.. so I guess its to be expected... hmm.. but a year on and it's still the same :/
And going by the reactions here, to their detriment.. SW does need more support then HW and a OS needs a bit more..
The kernel code suggests that they don't have a dedicated Android person internally, which I think is a really huge mistake!
Android can be a great computer appliance when finished 100% and never changed, in MOJO's case, knowing it wasn't going to be finished 100% from the start, more attention should have been made.
One extra internal salary/contract and all this could have been avoided and our forums would have been like the shield's.. definitely underestimated Android! and in hindsight maybe a learning opportunity for them?
Yip, It's frustrating, to still have the dongle on USB3, not to mention no kitkat.
But, the mojo is still one the better android TV box HW wise out there and still relevant... I'm optimistic kitkat will come, hopefully sooner then later.
I think the potential is still there and it's the center piece of their gamesmart range which is still increasing, the StrikeM only released last week.
So they're not going to abandon it and I think there's still more support/improvements coming for it!
I'm guessing it's a balancing act with limited resources and growing the company in a competitive industry, so we'll see where it goes :/
I don't expect a reply here from Alex, @Mad Catz Rich etc, but I know they do read this.
I have received a reply from Alex Verrey & although it does not address our needs as such I am most appreciative of having got a response & now await for other Mad Catz employees to jump on here, the email reads as follows:
Thanks for the email. No need to apologise for reaching out, it’s good to hear from you, and if any forum members are feeling let down by Mad Catz, we certainly want to hear about it.
We have several Mad Catz staff members who already actively participate on the forums. All of these guys are probably better positioned than I to provide the answers you are looking for. I know M.O.J.O. well, but the guys in question are the lead product managers and marketers of M.O.J.O. and will be able to go into great detail for you and any others looking for assistance.
Apologies if I sound patronising, but were you aware that we have recently launched a new and free Firmware update for M.O.J.O.? The new update introduces nearly full Google Play accessibility without the need to root. In addition, the update introduces 4K (UHD) output compatibility and brings the entire catalogue of OUYA games to M.O.J.O. We have also been working with our friends at OnLive to introduce perfect compatibility with their cloud based gaming network.
We continue to work with developers and publishers to ensure full compatibility for major titles as well. Sadly, it is true that not every Android title available today is fully compatible with M.O.J.O. and our C.T.R.L.R but we’re sure working on it!
I’ll leave it to the other guys to jump on the thread and assist where possible. In the meantime, thanks for reaching out, we sincerely do care to hear your feedback and will strive to communicate more regularly in the future.
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ALEX VERREY
I might be being really dumb, but is this referring to the MO0205-TS Firmware. Because for me this update did increase the controller support granted, however I don't really care to much about that a ps3 and Xbox controller has worked fine for me since 2009 and the Wii classic controller before that on android devices. The ctrlr controller support is a bonus but could live with out at this point as the OS needs to be much higher on the priority's list.
It did the total opposite of increasing compatibility to my google play account, I had quite a large selection of games and apps before, but after updating basically all the games and apps I played/used where no longer compatible. And even on apps I don't use or want, when looking through the play store I never used to see incompatible that much now, now its plastered all over it.
My main main issues are :
1: It freezes and crashes a lot, which creates other issues.
2: one of these my micro SD must have been formatted at least 30 times now and I can't be arsed using it n e more board of transferring data to it. (A 32 or 64gb mmc this can be time consuming) seems to occurs when the mojo crashes or is unplugged from the wall on my mojo.
3: Has not happened any where near as much maybe only a hand full of times but I've had multiple hard drives wiped (luckily i have back ups of everything,) and again when were talking close to full 1tb drives its frustrating and time consuming to transfer the data back.
4: seems a kick in the balls that their are the nvidia only games such as half life and portal. Which are not available on the mojo which ticks all the boxes for compatibility.
5: NO RECOVERY MENU ACCESS: seriously we can't back up our systems In case something goes drasiticly wrong, which with android is a serious possibility.
6: The mojo went to market mid December 2013 and I could be wrong has had only 3 maybe 4 updates which have only addressed minor issues. And don't say itl shortly receive a kitkat 4.4 update before you release to market then 9 MONTHS later still not out, doesn't fill me with confidence at all.
I Don't get why dev teams like cyanogen, kindroid, crash, omni, jackyaway and countless other on XDA I am not going to list are able to produce nightly updates for multiple android builds across multiple devices and tablets, including multiple custom tweeks and optimisations.
I assume you have employed a professional development team. The teams I listed above will have provided its users with more updates in 3/5 days than your professional team has provided us in 9 months of suffering through a devise which by no way feels like the competed article that's the gripe and what's grinding your current owners patience out.
7: Compatibility issues talked about above
8: Because of the issues with the SD card and HDD formatting its impossible to fit all the games u wish to use on the console. With some games and apps now in the couple of gig region even if full compatibility is unlocked i could not set up the console exactly how I would like with a lot missing.
Alot of the issues listed above should have been addressed along time ago
Hello All,
M.O.J.O. is a new and innovative product but for the most part the issues aren’t related to the hardware. C.T.R.L.R support in Android apps is new and it’s taken some time for developers to update their manifests to get device support for M.O.J.O. Anybody that’s using M.O.J.O. and doing regular firmware updates will attest that, while it’s not perfect, the universe of apps and games available today is pretty cool and getting better all the time. Of course, there are many other micro-consoles that are now available and may be simpler to use, but we’re not aware of one that has the depth of assortment and quality of games and apps that M.O.J.O. has today and we’re committed to continuing to expand the selection and improve the experience.
The evolving nature of the Android app universe means that compatibility has been a moving target but we are fully committed to universal app compatibility and developers want their apps on as many supporting devices as possible. We are continuously working with developers to implement Google’s directive to support game controllers in games (http://developer.android.com/training/game-controllers/controller-input.html ). Please let us know when you come across an app that has a problem and we'll get in touch with the developer. Please feel free to contact the developer directly as well.
The "not compatible" message is a result of the hardware support filtering in the Google Play Store and can be impacted by options selected by the developer when posting the app manifest to the store. Typically, it’s not because M.O.J.O. can’t run the app. For example, we recently had an issue with one game that was rendered incompatible for a few days due to an update that had removed M.O.J.O. from their “white list” of supported devices by mistake. Fortunately, that was a quick and easy fix. The latest firmware update for M.O.J.O. gets access to a lot more content than previous unrooted releases, although we still find some apps with options selected in their manifest that prevent them from being accessible even though it would play fine on M.O.J.O. otherwise. Again, as with controller support, let us and the developer know and we’ll chase it up for you. Positively, there’s little doubt that the vast majority of popular apps and games are now available.
In addition, we have a lot of content for gamers not widely supported on other devices. OUYA is now available on M.O.J.O. giving access to hundreds of games configured specifically for compatibility with our C.T.R.L.R. More and more games are being added as OUYA works through their library of now over 900 games. We've also partnered with OnLive and their game-streaming service giving access to their PlayPack library and CloudLift-enabled titles from your Steam account with over 250 PC games from triple-A publishers playable on M.O.J.O. and with our C.T.R.L.R. These apps are not supported on many other devices today.
For resolution settings, we offer 720p, 1080p, and 4K support, as mandated by Google for GMS-certified TV devices.
DTS pass-through is unfortunately not supported but M.O.J.O. has full support for Dolby Digital pass-through. Some of the issues people are facing are app issues. For example, pass-through functionality is broken in the Android version of XBMC but other media players such as MX Player support it just fine.
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Hey Nate, there running theme of the thread seems to be Android.. in particular kitkat and lack of a dev community for modding.
Personally, I'm not pushing for kitkat it will come when it comes... but any chance you can get someone that knows android to answer @shabbypenguin questions , repack problem? and ADB over USB/ETH0.
Running out of ideas and steam... help would be greatly appreciated.
From http://madcatz.com/mojo/en-ca/
Ready to Root
As any Android power-user knows, the best way to get the most out of your device is to root it. Root access opens up all sorts of options including adding custom keymapping capabilities and installing custom ROMs. Mad Catz provides a short step-by-step guide to rooting, and our tech support team is ready to help.
The best part – rooting won’t void your warranty.
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Running out of ideas and steam... help would be greatly appreciated.
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It would take 2 minutes to post a little update, even something like: "Sorry, I don't have that answer and the guy that does is out on holiday or on the road, blah, blah, blah" and you (we) don't get even that. I suppose that's an answer right there.
You're responsible for probably 25% of the user generated M.O.J.O. content that's on the Internet, and this is how they value your questions. :crying: Me, I'm just a customer.
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It would take 2 minutes to post a little update, even something like: "Sorry, I don't have that answer and the guy that does is out on holiday or on the road, blah, blah, blah" and you (we) don't get even that. I suppose that's an answer right there.
You're responsible for probably 25% of the user generated M.O.J.O. content that's on the Internet, and this is how they value your questions. :crying: Me, I'm just a customer.
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I wouldn't say i'm 25%, i have a blog and a few videos...
Maybe the questions have to go through management's approval then to china and back... I don't know
Anyway, I got a few more ideas while waiting.
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I wouldn't say i'm 25%, i have a blog and a few videos...
Maybe the questions have to go through management's approval then to china and back... I don't know
Anyway, I got a few more ideas while waiting.
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Gwaldo, I think you are the kindest guy on the internet, or at least in the top 10 :fingers-crossed:
p.s. have a look, your content accounts for about 30% of what is out there!
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Maybe the questions have to go through management's approval then to china and back...
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They must have a lot of layers of management to go through...
joaommsousa said:
I have MOJO for several months now, when i initially bought it, i showed it to all my friends, and bragged about the potential of this product.
After all this months, its just sad, the lack of support or competence of the manufacters to actually stand by their product.
Beeing a developer and an android enthusiast, it's just sad to see how poorly this hole process has been developed.
The console itself has several issues, the play store, for me is a huge deal breaker. You can't have a main selling point of the product (the full access to play store and tegra zone) when most of the products there, altought i can see them, are not compatible either with the console itself, or worse, the gamepad isn't recognized. Titles like Portal 2 and Half Life 2, made precisely for MOJO's hardware, and i cant play it.
You can't also ask regular users to Root their device after every update. Either support the non rooted version, or it has to be rooted by default.
I could be a regular user who just wants to play some vice city on my TV, don't know or care how to root. This isn't a developer edition!!
The OS itself has several issues, from the basic ones ( I CANT RESTART OR SHUTDOWN THE CONSOLE w/ unplugging it), no resolution settings. I have several audio lag issues when the console is left on for days. So even for media, i can't have XBMC running 100% there.I do have a Samsung Beam (very slow 1.0 dual core) with buggy OS and i have hours and hours of projecting XBMC media without ANY issues.
The support is next to nothing. I've installed the latest update from MadCatz, i was so happy with more google play support etc.. Turns out when i didn't want to create a OUYA account, now i have OUYA Framework crashing every 5 minutes. Just perfect.
The other main selling point was the gamepad, a solid, well construct Controller, with amazing gaming tecnology from madcatz.
Well, beside the construction, there's nothing else good about the gamepad. I have a bunch of tablets and phones, i have a really hard time connecting and staying connected with my Android 4.4.2 devices. I'm constantly losing my Connection with the gamepad, and the REconnection is just painfull, i have to restart the gameopad a few times before i can get it to work again.
Also most of the games with gamepad support doesn't recognize the CTRLR.. WTF, MadCatz team, even the simple part of getting in touch with game developers, didn't do their homework.
Mad Catz could however, try to compensate somehow, and make a decent Gamepad Mapper. Nothing on this been release, has been months.
If this was a review of the product i would give it 2/10. And the 2 is for the choice of using Nvidia's tegra 4, and thats the only good thing about this.
The lack of support of XDA's developers, given the potential of the device shown by nvidia's shield portable, is insane.
I no longer brag about this with my friends, i'm just ashamed and deceived to have spent 250 bucks on this. I'm buying Nvidia's shield tablet and try to forget Madcatz and my 250$
Thanks MadCatz.
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I have Mojo for some months now and I'm very pleased with it.
Half-Life 2 and Portal works great on my device with some adjustments.
Yes, you can power the device off with a keyboard with shutdown button or install a widget that maps the powerbutton
and brings up the power menu. This is a proper shutdown, not like pulling the plug!
I honestly think right now the nexus player is a better deal. 10 gameloft games are being optimized for the system. Mad Catz must seriously hate their system because they don't update the product. Plus it's still $199 and the amount of problems you're having, makes no sense.
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I honestly think right now the nexus player is a better deal. 10 gameloft games are being optimized for the system. Mad Catz must seriously hate their system because they don't update the product. Plus it's still $199 and the amount of problems you're having, makes no sense.
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Anyone who bought this crap and wants the real stuff ou is crazy enought to be considering buying it, i seriously recommend Nvidia's Shield Tablet. More expensive than nexus player, but gets the job well done on every end ( Entertainment, gaming, PC gaming, Console / Tablet mode )
Nvidia actually supports their products, just announced Lollipop for the tablet by the end of november.
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I have Mojo for some months now and I'm very pleased with it.
Half-Life 2 and Portal works great on my device with some adjustments.
Yes, you can power the device off with a keyboard with shutdown button or install a widget that maps the powerbutton
and brings up the power menu. This is a proper shutdown, not like pulling the plug!
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Half-Life 2 and Portal wow!
Does it play well with the CTRLR?
I would buy both for my mojo if I knew how to get it working... could you please give us a clue how you got it work?