I no longer have a topaz or a phone at all...workking on getting lg ally but still waiting for root for it..oh well...so long for now
There isn't a way to dump the ROM currently. If (hopefully when) it is possible, I'll be able to do it. Good luck with getting a new phone.
i did
I got the HTC Mytouch slide
Enjoy your new phone!
Have we ever gotten a Kin two and / or Kin TwoM rom dump?
This seems critical...?
Let me start by saying I'm fairly new to Android, and that this probably should go in a general Android forum, but since I'm a Fascinate user, this seems appropriate to me. I've searched, but haven't found a real explanation, and I'm not one to take things as fact without a reasonable explanation.
So it seems like everyone is waiting for an official 2.2 release for the Fascinate, flashing 2.1 ROMs but not capable of upgrading to 2.2+; but I'm wondering why we can't just compile our own OS for our phones? Android is a Linux-like OS, and I know Linux users would never stay on an old version if a newer (better?) version was available. I'm talking down-and-dirty tweak-every-option-by-hand Slackware here. Is the source available for download? If so, why can't we do something with it? Is something in the phone completely locked and unhackable? Is it the fear of having a $500 paperweight? Is it difficult to regain Verizon network connectivity?
Again, forgive the noob question, and thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792986
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883004
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882946
There is currently work being done by jt, birdman, and the other skew of developers trying to develop a working AOSP version of 2.2/2.3. The biggest struggle that they have encountered was the RIL (Radio Interface Layer) binaries. Samsung produced some bogus complex proprietary binaries with no properly working source code. Because this phone is CDMA and not GSM, we can't simply use galaxy s files.
Anyways, the point is that there is work being done to bring it to our phone. They have a working AOSP 2.1 that is currently in alpha stage. Jt basically built his own RIL for this phone to get it working.
If this RIL works, we may end up with 2.3 sooner than later.
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Let me start by saying I'm fairly new to Android, and that this probably should go in a general Android forum, but since I'm a Fascinate user, this seems appropriate to me. I've searched, but haven't found a real explanation, and I'm not one to take things as fact without a reasonable explanation.
So it seems like everyone is waiting for an official 2.2 release for the Fascinate, flashing 2.1 ROMs but not capable of upgrading to 2.2+; but I'm wondering why we can't just compile our own OS for our phones? Android is a Linux-like OS, and I know Linux users would never stay on an old version if a newer (better?) version was available. I'm talking down-and-dirty tweak-every-option-by-hand Slackware here. Is the source available for download? If so, why can't we do something with it? Is something in the phone completely locked and unhackable? Is it the fear of having a $500 paperweight? Is it difficult to regain Verizon network connectivity?
Again, forgive the noob question, and thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
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You obviously have not searched hard enough, as this has been discussed in many places. I would suggest you start by searching this forum (edit: or seeing the links and posts above).
I will say, however, that recent achievements by (edit: the developers mentioned above) have made your suggestion quite possible. If you want to get a taste of what is to come, see the aosp alpha sticky located in the development section. The rom still has bugs, but it is a giant step forward for the Fascinate.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792986
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883004
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882946
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I must add/point out that the work these guys are doing could easily pave the way for Cyanogenmod- and other well-featured roms to be compiled/ported and used on Fascinate as well.
I've read the above links, but they didn't really quite answer my question. I guess I'm wondering why a Linux-based OS isn't acting/being treated like a Linux-based OS.
Let's say I go out and buy a new computer today. I want to put Linux on it. I get the machine home, download my distro of choice and make an install cd. As I'm installing, I configure the installation either for my specific hardware or I can use a generic profile if my hardware isn't listed.
Now say a new version of the Linux kernel comes out. I can upgrade without having to wait for a version for my hardware. Or if I install MyDistro v1 when I get my machine, and MyDistro v2 comes out the next day, I don't have to wait for someone to develop a version to work with my hardware.
So my question is more of a why can't we upgrade our distro like other Linux variants? Is it because there's no generic replacement for the Samsung RIL? If I were to download the source and do a generic build, or even a specific one, I wouldn't be able to install it because...?
Sorry to be a pain, but I genuinely have no clue. Again, thank you for the insight!
2.2 will boot on the I500 just nothing works. If you would like to help http://opensource.samsung.com/
The source code can be found there. Please feel free to help the development along.
I suggest you read through the reply's to your question and pay special note to those bringing up the RIL as that seems to be the biggest hurdle right now.
I think maybe the answer you are looking for is that it is possible to do it, it's just extremely difficult because Samsung's open source is very shoddy and isn't based on AOS, which is what is used for most other phones.
Since the developers don't have a build that works, they have to work from the ground up with AOS and get every last feature on the fascinate working without using Samsung's code (TouchWiz, widgets, etc).
The links they gave you explain most of it but you have to sift through the posts. There is a dev named jt (amongst others) who is working on a ROM that is upgradable based on AOSP and it looks very promising.
edit: It's also worth noting that when I say "not based on AOS" I mean that it is proprietary software used by Samsung-only phones and is not coded by Google. It still, of course, is based on Android OS. It would be akin to a ROM coded by Samsung for their phones rather than generic ROMs that could be downloaded by other phones.
Perfect, thanks!
Try thinking of it as buying an Ubuntu laptop from dell. Sure its " Ubuntu" but not stock. It so full of bloat and badly written drivers that aren't supplied openly for the user that it would be hell trying get the latest version of ubuntu to run on it.
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For clarification.... so I can wrap my brain around this. Is this situation kinda like having bought a new computer that's running an os, but has no installed device drivers and nowhere to download them from, so they have to be written by hand?
Edit: that last post came thru while I was writing this one, I think it basically answers my question...
So what the devs on here are trying to do is develop a "generic" profile that can work on our phone (as well as others?), creating a solid base to allow users to upgrade and change at-will without having to wait for official releases?
See, that's the part I'm having a hard time with. No generic profile built into the OS to use in the absence of a hardware specific one?
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Try thinking of it as buying an Ubuntu laptop from dell. Sure its " Ubuntu" but not stock. It so full of bloat and badly written drivers that aren't supplied openly for the user that it would be hell trying get the latest version of ubuntu to run on it.
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On a sidenote, I bought a Dell netbook witih Ubuntu. Didn't waste time with Ubuntu, but I chose it because I didn't want MS to get money from a license fee. Installed Mac OS X on it the day it arrived
Ya know, I tried to do the same thing with my inspiron 1525 notebook, with snow leopard 10.6.3 since I have a spare hard drive. Spent a whole day with numerous guides, trying this n that. Got it to actually boot to the desktop once, bit as I was putting the drivers in, it went into KP and from that point on, I could never even reinstall back to the desktop again.
Well, Samsung is giving us a simple/reliable update to Froyo with unique functionality, as soon as possible.
Source: (Twitter, About 12pm 1/2/2011 from Samsungtweets via Cotweet - http://twitter.com/Samsungtweets/samsung-usa )
Samsungtweets We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
Samsungtweets We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality
EDIT: gave more specific time and source of tweets. Post is meant to be objective, without definition of ASAP for this context.
Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
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Well, Samsung is giving us a simple/reliable update to Froyo with unique functionality, as soon as possible.
Source (Twitter, 6 hours ago):
Samsungtweets We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
Samsungtweets We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality
Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
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I'm not sure if this is meant to be funny or not haha. Are those recent tweets?
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They seem to post the same things over and over, of course this is also because people constantly ask when is froyo coming, and every time they say there is no definite date. It is coming soon that that is all they will say; yelling, moaning and crying isn't gonna make it come any sooner, just sit back and it will eventually come.
Hi guys,
I am planning to buy a Note 3 (I love big phones) and since my carrier doesn't offer windows phones I was wondering if I could replace the android OS for a WP8.1? I didn't find clear answer to that on the internet and no instructions at all. I wonder where I could find theses...
Thanks for the help!
Alex
No you didn't
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alexketchup said:
Hi guys,
I am planning to buy a Note 3 (I love big phones) and since my carrier doesn't offer windows phones I was wondering if I could replace the android OS for a WP8.1? I didn't find clear answer to that on the internet and no instructions at all. I wonder where I could find theses...
Thanks for the help!
Alex
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If you want a Lumia, buy a Lumia. Bizzarre menus? Check. Limited appstore? Check. Difficulties syncing? Check.
Lumias by themselves ain't bad, they got some great cameras (the high-end ones), the low-end Lumias are better performers than the low-end Androids, I have to admit.
It has been done before, the HTC HD2 started as a Windows device, but Android has been ported for it and development is still going.
The Note 3, however, is not a device with too much development for it.
Either sell it and get a Lumia, or get used to it. Even if it's 2015, the Note 3 is one infernally powerful device, trust us on that.
Today I read that Android 8 goes on a modular structure, and the fact that the system is quietly put from one firmware to several smartphones. Do you think someone will be able to port under our smartphone?
I dont believe this phone is forgoten by its manufacturer Alcatel and I dont see anyone doing something it didnt even had the nougat update
Android 8? Are you crazy bro ??? first 6.1 + 7.0 + 7.1 more more more after 8.0
Alcatel is very bad company, all firmware uptdates impossible.
bad company
I know that now this was my first and my last Alcatel phone I like the phone but Alcatel showed that they don't care about their customers today Samsung announced that his 3 year old S6 phone will get also Android 8 update and so with newer device no upadate's... shame for Alcatel not for us
Oreo added a functionality called Project Treble which makes updating phones easier because it segregates the sections that need to get updated so that Carriers/Manufacturers can update their code quicker. Without that functionality, it is possible to get Oreo, but updates are just as hard to implement as Nougat would be.
In short, no, I don't think that Idol 4S will ever get Oreo. I do think that any future phone should have Oreo (with Project Treble) to potentially avoid this situation in the future.
We can not install any custom roms without opening the bootloader lock! Alcatel is a very dishonest company does not even give us this !! I sent a message to Alcatel over all social media accounts, but they did not even give me one answer. I really like my phone, but it gets so boring like this ...
serif55 said:
We can not install any custom roms without opening the bootloader lock! Alcatel is a very dishonest company does not even give us this !! I sent a message to Alcatel over all social media accounts, but they did not even give me one answer. I really like my phone, but it gets so boring like this ...
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yes truth I like. my phone also Iv write them. evvery day for the same thing and no answer
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ms-along-with-a-suite-of-low-end-google-apps/ google anounced this today do you belive anyone can make a rom while I think alcatel wont do it
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting us and for choosing Alcatel products.
Regarding your request, the IDOL 4 device has been scheduled to take the upgrade until the middle of August 2018 please be patient until the new upgrades will be available for download.
The actual release dates haven't been announced yet.
We will remain at your disposal for any further information and we wish you an excellent day!
Kind regards.
Alexandros
Technical Support Alcatel
dejandoggy1 said:
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting us and for choosing Alcatel products.
Regarding your request, the IDOL 4 device has been scheduled to take the upgrade until the middle of August 2018 please be patient until the new upgrades will be available for download.
The actual release dates haven't been announced yet.
We will remain at your disposal for any further information and we wish you an excellent day!
Kind regards.
Alexandros
Technical Support Alcatel
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This was from Alcatel earlier this year:
dejandoggy1 said:
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Dear valued customer,
Thank you for getting in touch with us.
We have plan to update idol 4 to android 7.0 in this middle of year,but we can't confirm the date for your country.Please keep your eye on following website for the latest update information: was wruten in the mail I got from alcatel customer care.
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Sometimes i just can't believe alcatel's flagship phone(yes i'm aware of the idol 5s) won't receive any major update... No android 7,no android 8, no nothing. Alcatel(Tcl) has become a joke, they only care about releasing as much crappy low budget devices they possibly can, while software support for said devices is non existent. Its a shame really, because every once in a while they can release a good smartphone(idol 4s) that is completely forgotten software wise. No more alcatel for me...
Do not buy Alcatel phones they Will not update the OS, i know for Shure i have bought a lot of their
Phones, none was ever upgraded, even no security patches.
Hello There i just tried to find a rom for my Gt-19500 and found the the latest supported rom was android 7.1.1 back in 2017 Yet all other S4 variants still get the latest roms can anyone tell me the technical reasons and if there any way whatsoever to find at least an android 10 rom for it?
The technical reasons? Probably nothing technical, but simply an issue of there being no developers working on the device. Unfortunately for you, this means if you want an Android 10 ROM for your device you will have to create it yourself.
I will note that 3G service is expected to be terminated in a year or two in most countries. You would be better served getting a phone with LTE capability.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
The technical reasons? Probably nothing technical, but simply an issue of there being no developers working on the device. Unfortunately for you, this means if you want an Android 10 ROM for your device you will have to create it yourself.
I will note that 3G service is expected to be terminated in a year or two in most countries. You would be better served getting a phone with LTE capability.
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thank you so much it's just that before that date it used to be all S4 variants together after that fate even TWRP stopped support for the device thanks again
It's a surprise to me that some models are still being worked on. After all the S4 is nearly a decade old now and many have gone through two or three devices since its introduction. Not to mention physically the plastic is cracking due to age; at least on my S4 it is.
It doesn't surprise me that TWRP development stopped. This device doesn't benefit from the newer features TWRP has that are geared towards the new devices. So there is little need to update.