Hello all.
So I've been around the forum for a few weeks now, and so far we have booted Kubuntu mobile, Debian, a custom Android version and Ubuntu on our devices.
Maybe they won't work completely, but the people who started it are still working on it.
Now it got me thinking.
Meego, a linux based OS developed for mobile use (example the N900 which also uses ARM chipset) created by Nokia and Intel, could, in theory, work on our devices.
At the moment I don't have any access to a PC where I can try some stuff out ( maybe in a week or so, I'm on vacation).
But maybe someone else could look into it?
I would really like to see the Handset version, and later on the Tablet version of Meego on our devices.
Dympy-
I would love that too. I have used a maemo tablet before my archos and think that meego is way better than android, so I really welcome any efforts to port it.
The openaos guys are working part time on a port but there hasn't been much to use yet.
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The guys from openaos did this already on the Archos Gen7 (A5IT)
I think they could answers many questions about this
But my opinion is, why many developers work on many projects?? Many developers on one project is way better think about this...
After owning and using an N900, I am very reluctant to have any OS developed by Nokia on any hardware. I had such a bad time with Maemo (another OS that Nokia heavily invested in and then dropped in less than a year) that I had to install a hacked Android (NITDroid) OS onto my N900.
Nokia just doesn't seem to make good software these days. I don't know if they ever did.
I think LennB is right. We need more devs working on things like Cyanogen or Ginger/Honeycomb ports. Or even full root without the need for SDE.
That's the "Problem" with open source.
Everybody thinks that his solution is "the cure" and that others are doing the wrong thing.
Thats why most OS Projects are not advancing as fast as they could or will be crap.
Look at OO vs. Libre, so much manpower wasted.
I have to disagree about more devs on one project.
The devs themselves decide what they want to develop, if anyone feels like developing Meego, he (or she) should do that.
Right now I'm reading the ARM wiki of Meego and will see if I can find anything useful.
Dympy-
This is exactly what i was just thinking! I've had my a70 for about a month and i've been busy with school i just started looking through these hacks and i've tried debian. its nice and I was about to start to try to create a ubuntu version but Meego would be much better!
Not sure how far i can get but this is going to be my goal for the summer! =)
First of all, try to build an IMG that can work with the Angström Kernel, after that, you'll be able to boot on it with the OpenAOS Boot menu ^^
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First off I apologize if this thread may turn out to be inappropriate for this section of the forum.
I know this isn't really Nexus One specific, but it is Android Development related.
I'm having a somewhat slow day today and was doing some reading about the N900 when I happed across an interesting blog about a dev who managed to get his N900 to dual boot Maemo and Android.
http://blog.broberts.com/nokia-n900-with-maemo-and-android-yes-please
Apparently, it appears to be at the stage where it's just a proof of concept, but I have to admit that this is awesome to say the least. Anyway, I just thought I'd mention it here, where cyanogen, modaco and the rest of xda's talented dev's might happen to read it, in hopes that it might spark additional developer interest.
why nexus one and others phone need multiboot?
like as winmo+android android+maemo
next thread say maemo ported to android
W3ber said:
why nexus one and others phone need multiboot?
like as winmo+android android+maemo
next thread say maemo ported to android
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I'm not sure if you misread my post. But this isn't about getting the Nexus one to dual Maemo and android, but to get android running on the N900. Not that Maemo isn't a great OS, I mean the N900 is a basically a fully operational computer/tablet, but the choice of apps on it is still limited. Regardless, the fact that it has flash and the fact that you can run practically anything from the browser does make up for it to some degree. Still, the N900 isn't really a consumer friendly device that others assumed it was going therefore getting android ported to the N900 hardware would be really sweet.
I don't think full on Maemo is open sourced but the parts that are I believe are released under a project called Mer. Since we've figured out how to boot debian. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to boot Mer.
Is it Maemo or MeeGo? Or are they both completely different projects?
So dual-boot is possible? I must of missed this stuff.. Would be cool to boot to a different OS
Does any one disagree with maemo being a more power os? I don't know why alot of people are not all over this.
I don't know muc about maemo, would definately like to dual boot with Debian or Ubuntu, though what those guys are doing in that debian thread is far beyond my capabilities.
stewart1988 said:
Is it Maemo or MeeGo? Or are they both completely different projects?
So dual-boot is possible? I must of missed this stuff.. Would be cool to boot to a different OS
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MeeGo is a new OS that Intel and Nokia are developing.
Maemo has been around for years already, Nokia is behind it, it's open source and a bunch of communities/companies contribute to it, including Mozilla. It
There have recently been some fake videos of maemo 5 running on the HTC HD2.
This operating system has a very much supportive community which develops apps and ports for the n900 similar to this one.
If these two communities could be bought together it would create an insane phone. I personally feel that having maemo on the HTC HD2 would make this phone deadly and rip other devices to pieces by giving users not only windows mobile 6.5 and android, but also extending the device to the beautiful maemo.
What do you think about this?
Would you like to see maemo on your HD2?
If there are any developers out there or people who know what they are doing could you please try to port this OS over as it would be greatly appreciated by many!
Thank you.
I think it might be possible after the developers have more time away from the Android efforts. Maemo is also Linux based, so it hopefully shouldn't be too difficult after they get Android working smoothly.
Just because it is possible doesn't mean it will happen it depends of the demand on this OS from the HD2 users i love this OS and think it would be awesome on the HD2 screen and hardware.
I am sure there are many HD2 users who would love to use this on there devcie.
I think there is no hardware similar to the HD2 running Maemo, this means no proper drivers to build a port.
cederron said:
I think there is no hardware similar to the HD2 running Maemo, this means no proper drivers to build a port.
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wrong...
as it is based on linux kernel the drivers from android should work...
Maemo would give the HD2 a new level of decisions for the owners, a new level of customisabillity. i wish i knew how and wish i had the knowledge to enable myself to do such a thing but cannot as i haven't.
Maemo WOULD beable to work on the HD2 with some effort put in by the right person.
If android can, android is linux, maemo can, maemo is linux.
But the question is will it?
I would love to see another option for the hd2. The more options the more people are attracted to the phone. More people should bring more development.
hazard99 said:
I would love to see another option for the hd2. The more options the more people are attracted to the phone. More people should bring more development.
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I completely agree with you.
If people had the option to choose the OS on a phone that could attract so many people to the phone. Because i know of many people who don't like windows, but would buy a windows phone if they could get more than one OS on it.
I would be like a master phone suited to everybody.
oh I wish to see this... i like Maemo very much, I had a N900 as second phone, it was amazing, maybe cooler than android, but what can I say... it didnt have a chance, too short life-time.
After we saw Ubuntu and Android on the Leo, When are we going to see Maemo or Meegoo on it?
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After we saw Ubuntu and Android on the Leo, When are we going to see Maemo or Meegoo on it?
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bump!!! on this, i would like to see maemo too, and pissed off the n900 user
i think it's not so hard as we have ubuntu running very well
I agree with you
this thread should be moved onto the android/linux on hd2 thread.
And by the way, I totally side with you on this. I "hate" android. Why? It's by google, and it's not really linux. On the other side I'd love to have meego on my hd2, but think about it, not even nokia has released a single device with meego on it, and at this rate if they don't hurry when they will do that, noone will care about it anymore.
Even if I favour meego over android, like, a lot, I realistically cannot see how those who spent their blood in porting android to the hd2, and those others who develop for that platform, will invest their time and energy in another linux based mobile OS... if that OS keeps delaying itself.
So, any plans to bring WebOS to the HD2, now that it's opensource?
webOS is a good OS, but i hope devs will continue on meego first
What has WebOS got to do with Ubuntu?
What has WebOS got to do with Android or WM?)
WebOS isn't yet open-sourced, HP just said it will do that. No sources are available as of now, and it's silly to ask when it'll be ported to HD2 if we even don't know when sources will be available. But, it might me easier to port than meego, as meego's most interesting version (from nokia n9) is closed-source, and opensource meego is, according to devs, not much usable.
Glebaka said:
What has WebOS got to do with Android or WM?)
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What has your question got to do with price of fish?
My question was in relation to him putting this topic in the Ubuntu section when it should have been the HD2 General section.
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WebOS isn't yet open-sourced, HP just said it will do that. No sources are available as of now, and it's silly to ask when it'll be ported to HD2 if we even don't know when sources will be available. But, it might me easier to port than meego, as meego's most interesting version (from nokia n9) is closed-source, and opensource meego is, according to devs, not much usable.
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Web OS is open source..
http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
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Web OS is open source..
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This one looks like kernel (and possibly some other GPL-ed components) sources. And it is there probably since a long time. So no, WebOS isn't open source yet.
Sorry for posting the question here. I thought , as nobody really looks at the meego board anymore, I should ask it here as the guys'n'gals that are into porting Ubuntu to the HD2 are a little more hardcore and thus apt to give an honest perspective on whether or not this could happen. I read on the Verge that someone had it running on the Evo 3D so maybe it isn't that far fetched.
As I have understood some of the UI/UX stuff is not open source yet.
We shall come back to this discussion when it's time for that.
WebOS? I'm still waitng for further development of Ubuntu! Sound? Calls? Magldr?
Bumping for interest and the sake of prosperity for our mighty HD2...
Face it Meego is going nowhere slow, if anywhere at all... With the announcements of nokia going to wp. Ubuntu is making very small but slow baby steps...
So why not stir up a craze that'd baffle the internet media once again with the viral power of what the HD2 can do?
It's been ported to many other HTC devices so why not our HD2? We can't just let it die with millions of android and wp builds and lack of interest in other projects such as linux and meego, so I only see one other hurdle to jump that being WebOS.
Well, we'd have to find someone, who could port it... If I wasn't a total failure when it comes to programming and stuff, maybe I could do it :x
The difference between Android and other OSes is Android is popular and it's rather easy to cook a ROM... But here, we'd have to work from scratch. And nobody wants that. Shame on you, community, shame!
The only thing I see possibly coming next for the HD2 is WP8 (Maybe, if it's possible or at WP7.8) I rather hate WP and still love my huge variety of apps and customability with WM... I'm doing Win95 on it, Boxmax SD XDAndroid Sense and Ubuntu...
I don't see why or how it'd be so hard if so many other HTC's have it running already, get the closest build with matching spec's between the HTC HD2 and whatever HTC is remotely similar to our in hardware, edit it for Android maybe and change the drivers of the HTC (In question) to the HTC HD2 in code by similarity of Android builds for HD2. On a side note, I read that the HTC Evo 4G is the same phone as the HD2 on XDA, so if we could find a WebOS Build for that we'd be off to a good start. Then onto the debugging and next step is glory.
If I knew anything about coding and cooking I'd give it a whack, but I don't know much about it.
+1 on WebOS on the HD2...
I have it on the Touchpad and I love it!
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What has WebOS got to do with Ubuntu?
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They are both Linux based operating systems...that's why
n1nj4Lo said:
Bumping for interest and the sake of prosperity for our mighty HD2...
Face it Meego is going nowhere slow, if anywhere at all... With the announcements of nokia going to wp. Ubuntu is making very small but slow baby steps...
So why not stir up a craze that'd baffle the internet media once again with the viral power of what the HD2 can do?
It's been ported to many other HTC devices so why not our HD2? We can't just let it die with millions of android and wp builds and lack of interest in other projects such as linux and meego, so I only see one other hurdle to jump that being WebOS.
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So why not stir up a craze that'd baffle the internet media once again with the viral power of what the HD2 can do?
but why do we even need a webOS?
its btr we try something like win 8 and do the impossible
tanush said:
but why do we even need a webOS?
its btr we try something like win 8 and do the impossible
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because webOS is opensource and Windows 8 is not..
tanush said:
but why do we even need a webOS?
its btr we try something like win 8 and do the impossible
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Windows 8 is Windows 7 and we did that already, we'd just be spinning our wheels or going backwards then instead of moving forward with bootable os'es.
If you want Windows 8 so bad on your HD2 hunt around for a 7.8 rom, closest you'll prolly get. Anyways you could get in a whole lot more trouble cooking an OS/Rom onto an unsupported phone that hasn't even been released yet to normal consumer users yet.
WebOS would be great those who aren't ready for Android or don't want it and those who don't like WP, but desire something other than WinMo 6.5.
WebOS is dead...
Still would love to see a new OS once in a while. +1 for WebOS, +1 for MeeGo, +1 for Firefox OS (or whatsisname)
Boot to Gecko is coming! if you haven't heard of b2g, its a web based replacement OS designed to take on android, apple and WP7, the exciting thing is, to speed up the release, it is relying on similar linux based processes to run. see here ;
https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
I'm in no way associated with this project, just wanted you guys to see it. Some industrious developers are already working at a port for the galaxy s2 and the nexus. I know we have talented dev's right here, can we be far behind?
exciting yes??!!
Ava.tar said:
Boot to Gecko is coming! if you haven't heard of b2g, its a web based replacement OS designed to take on android, apple and WP7, the exciting thing is, to speed up the release, it is relying on similar linux based processes to run. see here ;
https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
I'm in no way associated with this project, just wanted you guys to see it. Some industrious developers are already working at a port for the galaxy s2 and the nexus. I know we have talented dev's right here, can we be far behind?
exciting yes??!!
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Yeah, true, we really have quite wonderful devs for our G3 community, it shall just be a matter of time, I think
I'm pretty sure that rubbensolie will look forward to boot gecko to our phone ;P
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I'm pretty sure that rubbensolie will look forward to boot gecko to our phone ;P
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I already did look into it actually xD. But no progress, because i think we need another kernel for it.
Ava.tar said:
Boot to Gecko is coming! if you haven't heard of b2g, its a web based replacement OS designed to take on android, apple and WP7, the exciting thing is, to speed up the release, it is relying on similar linux based processes to run. see here ;
https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
I'm in no way associated with this project, just wanted you guys to see it. Some industrious developers are already working at a port for the galaxy s2 and the nexus. I know we have talented dev's right here, can we be far behind?
exciting yes??!!
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As it is not a different Android version, but a totally different system, it will require developing a new kernel, whole new drivers and of course porting the system.
Kernel and driver developing are much a pain in the a*s, so it won't be "easy" like porting MIUI (i do not mean to offend anyone).
I think it will require months of hard work from a c/c++ skilled dev....
Of course, i would be more than happy if someone is able to state the opposite!
I did a bit more poking around and found that mozilla marketplace (the boot to gecko play store) is now open to devs!
Admittedly this wont be an easy port but the similarities between b2g and android will surely put our devs here ahead of the pack in the race to port b2g. And they are already having a good try on other android devices. I have so much faith in our devs!
https://marketplace.mozilla.org/en-US/login?to=/en-US/developers/
Heres the link
Well, i know how to develop web apps but i don't get the point on mozilla choice...
And performances of webapps in mobile phones are VERY low. I mean REALLY VERY low. At least, they are low until you provide optimized code for the underlying hardware but if you do so, you will need to provide a different interface for every kinf od hardware, ie: you will need to build a kernel with proper dirvers...
I'm not saying it can't be done, of course it can be, but as i stated before, it will be a major work from a skilled dev.
From my point of view, having CM7 /and then 9) fully working is much more interesting than trying to port mozilla OS.
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Well, i know how to develop web apps but i don't get the point on mozilla choice...
And performances of webapps in mobile phones are VERY low. I mean REALLY VERY low. At least, they are low until you provide optimized code for the underlying hardware but if you do so, you will need to provide a different interface for every kinf od hardware, ie: you will need to build a kernel with proper dirvers...
I'm not saying it can't be done, of course it can be, but as i stated before, it will be a major work from a skilled dev.
From my point of view, having CM7 /and then 9) fully working is much more interesting than trying to port mozilla OS.
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Well looking at the work already being done it doesnt look slow, it looks blazing fast! the interface looks brilliant and incredibly user friendly. I am pretty excited about a finished cm9 too but chasing released android firmwares to port is surely not as fun for talented devs as getting in on something at ground level? this isnt even out yet! its not even a blip on apple or androids radar, it is exciting!
its just another option. Im sure it will be something being discussed more and more in the very near future
Updates
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Gaia/Hacking
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/b2g/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
Very exited about this project. Even if takes a year to get it working on our phones.
In my opinion I don't think you should over work devs because they work in their own time and users expect them to be robots who just port roms and develop day and night. Let our devs work on their current projects and finish them to a high standard. Its quality over quantity right?
I don't mean to offend anyone. Just voicing my opinion.
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