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[Q] Thinking of moving fro captivate to a Desire Z/G2

I'm thinking about selling my Captivate for a Desire Z/G2
cause swype though its awesome is sometimes really annoying to use when I'm on chat or editing documents on the go.... i do lots of typing
convince me....
Pros and Cons of moving from captivate
Pros:
Physical Keyboard
same resolution (800x480)
Native Froyo without screwing with custom ROMs
GPS that works
Cons
3.7" screen
Not a Super-Amoled screen
less powerful SoC

Lol I think your own pros outweigh the cons already. My friend is using a captivate that he had me root it the other day and I gotta say that there's a huge difference in overall feel. When you tweak the g2/vision/dz (whatever you wanna call it) it feels buttery smooth. Even though it already was pretty smooth on stock.
Recently I switched to de-odexed stock which looks and feels like stock but gives me a little boost in speed. I have to say I am a big fan of the developer work that has gone into maximizing this phones potential without totally making it feel like something different than what htc intended. Other than software optimization, the physical feel is pretty solid. Its a bit heavy but the hardware inside makes it well worth it. Not trying to bash other devices but I feel the g2/vision/dz is not only a great device but in some aspects, it sets the bar for todays smartphone.
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My G2 gets much better battery life than my sister-in-law's Vibrant. I average two days of moderately heavy use. She barely ekes out one.
Not sure how the Adreno 205 stacks up to the Hummingbird's GPU, but I never experience lag in Dungeon Defenders.
Build quality is better on the G2 as well.
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dietotherhythm said:
Lol I think your own pros outweigh the cons already. My friend is using a captivate that he had me root it the other day and I gotta say that there's a huge difference in overall feel. When you tweak the g2/vision/dz (whatever you wanna call it) it feels buttery smooth. Even though it already was pretty smooth on stock.
Recently I switched to de-odexed stock which looks and feels like stock but gives me a little boost in speed. I have to say I am a big fan of the developer work that has gone into maximizing this phones potential without totally making it feel like something different than what htc intended. Other than software optimization, the physical feel is pretty solid. Its a bit heavy but the hardware inside makes it well worth it. Not trying to bash other devices but I feel the g2/vision/dz is not only a great device but in some aspects, it sets the bar for todays smartphone.
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how about overclocking and such? i've heard you can do it for the desire?
how is the screen and such? The keyboard is mainly the main reason that i'm kinda looking for this downgrade
thepaddedroom said:
My G2 gets much better battery life than my sister-in-law's Vibrant. I average two days of moderately heavy use. She barely ekes out one.
Not sure how the Adreno 205 stacks up to the Hummingbird's GPU, but I never experience lag in Dungeon Defenders.
Build quality is better on the G2 as well.
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is the SoC inside the HTC desire z/G2 the same as in the Desire HD?
thanks all

well most every device has overclock development but the g2/dz has the highest overclock capability yeet.
It's stock 800mhz but it's a second generation processor which blows away all the first gen 1ghz before it. I have the 1.8ghz kernel currently so I am capable of that much but only use it when doing heavy work loads or testing stability. I also wrote a guide to flashing the 1.8ghz and 1.9ghz overclocking kernels for people who are new to adb in general. Some users have even been able to hit a solid 2.0ghz, most everything over 1.8ghz is much too unstable for regular use.

Hey,
Just wanted to chime in; my friend has the Vibrant and is constantly complaining about the lack of working gps. It's a function that all Vibrant/Captivate/Fascinate owners bought but is lacking whether it be due to software or hardware. He is flashing a new "improved" rom every 2-3 days trying to find the perfect one that will give him good reception/gps.
With the DZ/Vision/G2, the only real con is the "loose" hinge. IMO, it's not that loose on mine but as with anything, you're mileage may vary. As it was stated before, the DZ/Vision/G2 has the second generation Snapdragon, which is clocked lower than the first generation 1GHz, but is much better in the power-to-performance ratio. I wouldn't be turned off by the 800MHz because once you have root and all that jazz, you can easily overclock to that 1GHz level at the minimum. I am sure once you get to that point, you will blow any Hummingbird equipped phone out of the water.
You really can't beat the physical keyboard either
Regards.

Mr.Pie[OCN] said:
is the SoC inside the HTC desire z/G2 the same as in the Desire HD?
thanks all
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Desire HD has the same Adreno 205 GPU and basically a overclocked version of our CPU. The CPU difference doesnt matter though since you can overclock the Desire Z/G2 easily. At the same cpu frequencies they perform similarly. The Desire HD does have more RAM though.
The only advantages of a Captivate over the Desire Z/G2:
GPU: PowerVR SGX540 is a absolute beast, still the best GPU out there right now imo. Just look at the benchmarks of the Nexus S.
Screen: SAMOLED

I recently sold (or am selling, it's on ebay now) my Vibrant for a G2 and I am very please. Like you I do a lot of typing and there's simply no substitute for a physical keyboard. The G2 is just as snappy as my Vibrant was (rooted with Bionix), but I do notice a slight decrease in graphics quality in games, but probably only noticeable because I used the two phones back to back for a short time. I saw go for it.

G2. The mytouch4g is nice as well. I have both.
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get the G2 man depending on what rom you have (if any) you can get excellent battery life. it took me hours to kill the battery with high brightness settings, music use, web use, and gps on. the physical keyboard is just great for typing a lot and for simple replies you can use swype. overall it's a reliable phone

I'm contemplating on the exact same thing, EXCEPT...
1) I can't justify paying 560-ish for the desire z,
2) G2 is $440, but I will be restricted to 2G since I'm stuck on ATT for various reasons.
I was trying to read around but I couldn't really find exact answers to my queries; maybe some of you might know.
Over 2G, will I still be able to send MMS on the G2? I noticed on my captivate, whenever I send pictures that are 1200 kb, the phone automatically downsizes them to about 88kb or so before sending. Will pictures even send at all on edge?
Without 3G, will it affect aGPS?
Other than that, I never even use my phone for browsing or streaming over 3G. Should I settle for a G2 or just suck it up and pay for a Desire Z?

I'd recommend saving up a little more and spending it on the desire z and/or waiting it out for a good deal. Paying over 20 dollars a month for edge simply isn't worth it.

Hey,
You should look at some of the used markets in your area. I know there are some DZ/G2's for sale around my area (Canada) for about $400CAD. These are naturally locked but you could always sim unlock it yourself for free.

Should i go for it?

Hello guys, well atm i have samsung galaxy ace and today a friend gave me offer for exchange with x5. Should i exchange? For me galaxy ace is good but few things really create problems e.g low ram,200mb internal memory,processor 800mhz but cant be oc and no good roms available. So i need some advice here.
Also i had some questions. How is the touch screen of x5? Battery life? (my ace only lasts 10 hours :-\ ) any other major cons?
Thanx for your time
P.S - how do i confirm his device is u8800 and not u8800H?

Hello!
The X5 is great (for its price), with the default ROM it runs ok, no glitches and lags. I tried ADW and other launchers but due to the lack of gpu acceleration I wasn't impressed (maybe with overclock...). The battery life is pretty good (with heavy usage wifi, some gps, rss, browser, music, some gaming I get at 20% until night).
The screen is pretty good, I've got it for some time now and without a screen protector I don't have any visible scratches.
The only cons on stock rom are the preinstalled apps and I hate the touch keys (home, back etc) I accidentally touch them a lot.
Also no front facing camera (if you really care).
I don't think there is any significant difference in the "H" version

go for it!

For me it's very good bargain cause he/she saved you from your mistake.
3 of my friends use ace and they want to snatch x5 from my hand everytine they saw it. X5 wins every sector except for the brand name. People still believe on brand name
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liangse said:
For me it's very good bargain cause he/she saved you from your mistake.
3 of my friends use ace and they want to snatch x5 from my hand everytine they saw it. X5 wins every sector except for the brand name. People still believe on brand name
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Band name has some Pros when it comes to comes to service and peripherals (docking stations, headsets etc...), thank god all phones use the same USB port for charging...
Other than that I wouldn't spent more than 50$ for a same spec brand VS a non-well-known-brand phone.

hassaan123 said:
Hello guys, well atm i have samsung galaxy ace and today a friend gave me offer for exchange with x5. Should i exchange? For me galaxy ace is good but few things really create problems e.g low ram,200mb internal memory,processor 800mhz but cant be oc and no good roms available. So i need some advice here.
Also i had some questions. How is the touch screen of x5? Battery life? (my ace only lasts 10 hours :-\ ) any other major cons?
Thanx for your time
P.S - how do i confirm his device is u8800 and not u8800H?
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Well x5 battery life also is **** if you are using it. It takes 2% of battery per 7minutes sms writting. 5% of battery for 25minutes 175mb size video playing with lowest brightness.
Stock rom is absolutely ****!!! mine was so **** that it took 50% of battery per 20minutes and it was lagging! so you must upgrade to 2.3 custom rom for best berformance. Talk to friend with phone and listen is his phone do not have bad sound quality when he talks from his x5 - then x5 is better. BTW x5 uses 353MB of ram not 512MB.

128 is reserved for gpu tommi.
500 minutes of video playing! that's amazing.

darkado said:
128 is reserved for gpu tommi.
500 minutes of video playing! that's amazing.
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Yes i know that, but it's not used for programs and performance but reserved for GPU but when we do not use any hardcore gpu game it's sad that we must sacrifice our 128MB of ram for it Anyway what about the video playback time i last night watched futurama and it took ~5% of battery life on minimal light and everything was turned off, but this doesn't mean that if we play continually video it will run 500 minutes

it is used for everything the screen displays.
you should know that that android "uses" the first 10% lightning fast and that the second 50% last a lot longer than first 50%. anyway battery life is standard if not a little better than other high spec android phones (excluding amoled screen ones) and everything above 4 hours of screen on time is good.

How is the touch screen? Is it responsive and good? And how do i figure out if its u8800 or u8800H??

hassaan123 said:
How is the touch screen? Is it responsive and good? And how do i figure out if its u8800 or u8800H??
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For me touchscreen si too much responsive!! i'm not kidding!! it's so damn responsive that it's hard to type correctly sms D i use GoKeyboard it's very nice and larger than android
i think H version should be written on back of phone when removed battery. MAYBE.
Anyway you should try it by yourself first. But hardware is good for this phone the only bad thing about it is battery. if you use it offten it won't last 12 hours.
Now i would trade my X5 to Sony Xperia mini pro (NOT x10).. it has better cpu and external keyboard. i hate onscreen typing..it's not for me

and a worse screen.
everyone should know that it's up to the manufacturer to set the clock speed.
btw. x5's cpu is newer than xperia mini pro's

darkado said:
and a worse screen.
everyone should know that it's up to the manufacturer to set the clock speed.
btw. x5's cpu is newer than xperia mini pro's
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for me 3" screen is nice thing not bad, i hate big screens. And phone will not discharged so quick. Yes it's maybe older but better.. little and ****ing fast! Te only bad thing for Xperia is his height it's almost 2cm.

i meant resolution.
anyway, it's not a better cpu. they're pretty much the same, only x5's is a little newer.

I would go for it, just because the screen is much bigger and is virtually unbrickable.

Hey guys, here in germany I can get this phone for 175€, should i get it if I want a cheap, working smartphone? I think there is no alternative in this price range, is there?

Sure go for it if you are okay with installing custom ROMs which is quite easy. You can get it for about EUR 210,- on Amazon, I'd choose that and take the full warranty.

Would jumping to the Sensation be a bad move?

So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys

Tried my friend's Sensation out for a day and he tried my Atrix out for the same day.
The Sensation was slightly laggy, even for such a powerful processor (or was i just used to the smoothness of the Atrix?) camera was awesome and overall the phone is pretty damn good! However, he got it back with a full battery (had to charge it overnight or else it would die on me) whereas when he gave my Atrix back, it was still running on the charge from a day ago, after his heavy use too (albeit, it was nearly dead). If i was you, i'd stay with the Atrix, but at the end of the day, it's up to you.

Only if you don't mind losing battery life...
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Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?

Wond3r said:
Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?
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AFAIK it was all stock, not even rooted. We just like to swap our devices every once in a while (done the same with game consoles). I'm not saying it's a bad device though

If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.

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If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.
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yea i dont see that as a good idea as your buddy who gets the atrix will be the clear winner in that trade!
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double posted, same reply as above, sorry!

I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.

We all have difference opinions. Some may love it but some may not. Try testing out at places or with a friend and get the feel for it. Dev here are not very active just yet but in mean time they will.
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Wond3r said:
I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.
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I used to have an atrix and personally.. trading it for a sensation was the best move ever. However, I had to add on a bit of cash
I hate how the atrix recognizes the internal as an "sd card" and my other reasons was because Sense>Motoblur (in my opinion!) and I liked the looks of the sensation more + on top of that, (correct me if I'm wrong) the development in atrix forums seemed to slow down.. and on the other hand, sensations dev is still going strong! I also think that the back cover is 100x better - but, there's also flaws with the sensation cover. Can't say it's perfect
Also everyone complaining about battery life.. my sensation was unplugged 10pm last night, went to bed, woke up with 90% remaining, went to work! Got home it's now 3pm and I'm at 55% (I had a ~30 minute call and lots of texts as well as gmail syncing 2 accounts/facebook/twitter) HOWEVER I'm using a different battery. Look up "Anker". This thing is a beast! Surprisingly, it's lasting very well. I wouldn't say the battery is an issue. With this 55% it will definitely last me until tonight!
Just my two cents! I'm also in canada as well and signal/speed isn't an issue either.

You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.

freshlycutlawn said:
You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.
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Well, if he defends it and everyone elses opinions/arguments are better than his, then the atrix will be the clear winner! and agreed with the opinions part!

I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix

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I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix
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i would stick on the Atrix bandwagon for a little while longer, we're about to get nightlies on CM7 which means all our devs will be able to work on their own individual projects again. the only reason our development slowed down was because ibproud organized most of the Atrix devs into a group to port CM7 for us; now that it's almost done, people will start building their own ROMs and hacks.
it may take a month or two more, but it'll most definitely be worth the wait

Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
Sensation:
- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.

OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys
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If i were you i'd look to swap for the sensation XE not the sensation as i believe the atrix to be better than the normal sensation

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OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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?? Wtf?

Notorious544d said:
Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
Sensation:
- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.
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I wouldn't say that the Geforce ULP is betfer than the Adreno 220 GPU. Just look at the benchmark results on this page: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17 (don't forget the qHD resolution on all Adreno 220 phones either). Also the processor of the Atrix is not faster; it handles flash better because of software reasons, but that 0,2GHz difference is visible in Linpack, so I guess custom ROMs would unleash that power with software optimizations. Also something you left out is the lack of NEON support in the Atrix (no .mkv playback or high profile h.264).
I don't want to say that the Atrix is not a great phone - I had it for a while, but then sold it for an SGSII (great decision) - but the Sensation is just better imo.

i9500 or i9505 or wait for i9506

I dont care about the 4g. My only concern in performance, overheating and application/customization support.
Which processor i should go for. Also I have heard Snapdragon 800 has a huge difference in terms of performance should i wait for that
I am not a heavy gamer(actually i mostly play 2D games) but smoothness in daily tasks and multitasking is really important for me in a smartphone.
Thanks for your answers.

Wait 10 years for the i980000, I hear that's the one to get
But seriously... just buy the phone you want now. If you always wait for the better phone you will be waiting forever, this technology moves fast, and the i9500 and i9505 are both very good phones.
If you want the most custom ROM support go for the i9505.

capuagenclik said:
I dont care about the 4g. My only concern in performance, overheating and application/customization support.
Which processor i should go for. Also I have heard Snapdragon 800 has a huge difference in terms of performance should i wait for that
I am not a heavy gamer(actually i mostly play 2D games) but smoothness in daily tasks and multitasking is really important for me in a smartphone.
Thanks for your answers.
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Get one that meet your needs. Go try it out in stores or from friends. If current S4 / GF / Wife suit what u need, then grab / treasure it.
No ending to get the best faster phones / biggest boobs.. Be contented and u will always be happy!!:good:

rtoh said:
Get one that meet your needs. Go try it out in stores or from friends. If current S4 / GF / Wife suit what u need, then grab / treasure it.
No ending to get the best faster phones / biggest boobs.. Be contented and u will always be happy!!:good:
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but guys Snapdragon 600 and 800 difference is sooo huge. I am tempted to get my hands on the 800 instead of 600 and think will regret if I buy i9505 instead of waiting for couple of months for the 9506.
BTW how is the battery life and the heating issues going on? are they fully resolved.

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but guys Snapdragon 600 and 800 difference is sooo huge. I am tempted to get my hands on the 800 instead of 600 and think will regret if I buy i9505 instead of waiting for couple of months for the 9506.
BTW how is the battery life and the heating issues going on? are they fully resolved.
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By the time you've waited for the i9506, the i9507 might be out soon, and by the time that comes out the next flagships will only be a few months away. Its exactly the same with PC hardware, if you wait for a new release you pay more and by that time the new releases won't be far off.
If you want a phone now, the i9505 is an excellent phone, if you can wait then go for it.

capuagenclik said:
I dont care about the 4g. My only concern in performance, overheating and application/customization support.
Which processor i should go for. Also I have heard Snapdragon 800 has a huge difference in terms of performance should i wait for that
I am not a heavy gamer(actually i mostly play 2D games) but smoothness in daily tasks and multitasking is really important for me in a smartphone.
Thanks for your answers.
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Well if you wait for i9506 it means less battery life by increasing performance... And all the apps and the os itself just don't stop there when it comes to performance.
In the end a smartphone should just be capable of doing daily usages without any performance issues but it'd be seem unlikely a.t.m.
The lighter the better and bigger the screen the better while keeping dimensions to acceptable level.
I certainly think the technology is there and it'll add to the cost to produce in current terms.
Or they'd rather bring out something extra ordinary and affordable by everyone's budget.
That's something for thought.
One of the coolest feature of S4 would be the use of S Band
http://www.expansys.com.au/samsung-..._productfeed&gclid=CJ-QscrZxbgCFc1bpQodElMADA
and
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s4-heart-rate-monitor-p38709.htm

thanks for the answers guys

"Android Beat reports that the Snapdragon 800 includes improvements to
battery life. Under the same strain, devices equipped with the new processor
will last 25% longer than Snapdragon 600 devices before needing to be
charged. ... Aside from improvements to battery life, Geek expects that devices will run much cooler under strain, reporting that playing games for thirty minutes had no impact on temperature. They also point out that their Snapdragon 800 test device loads large apps lightning fast. In addition, the Snapdragon 800 raises mobile computing performance enough to allow a new level of gaming on mobile devices."
-cpscentral.com (cpscentral. com/us-samsung-gt-i9506-release-draws-near)
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I would also consider the lg g2. Also a beast phone
Me Gusta!

Android phones are popping out like everyday just stick with the one you like and enjoy it. It don't no matter what you get there's always gonna be something better in the weeks to come. The pace these phones are popping out is insane. I'll stick with the s4 or the note 3 and keep it moving.
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The XSP has been a disappointment.

So I've got my new device, and I'm so glad to be rid of my SP, I bought it around April 2014 for £250 and at the time, it sounded like a decent performer on paper. Then we got our first update, pretty buggy, then we got the news of the 4.4 update being cancelled. Then FXP moved us to a legacy device. Today, I sold my device for a measly £25 at cash converters after CeX said my loud speaker was too distorted and couldn't be accepted.
I still to this day don't understand why the phones memory management was so horrible. 1gb should be enough to get by, all I got was crashes, even on the lock screen and system ui.
I hope people who still have the SP can move on from what has been a massive let down for me. Anyone looking to pick one up for cheap, avoid it unless the disco lights draw you in like they did to me.

donk165 said:
So I've got my new device, and I'm so glad to be rid of my SP, I bought it around April 2014 for £250 and at the time, it sounded like a decent performer on paper. Then we got our first update, pretty buggy, then we got the news of the 4.4 update being cancelled. Then FXP moved us to a legacy device. Today, I sold my device for a measly £25 at cash converters after CeX said my loud speaker was too distorted and couldn't be accepted.
I still to this day don't understand why the phones memory management was so horrible. 1gb should be enough to get by, all I got was crashes, even on the lock screen and system ui.
I hope people who still have the SP can move on from what has been a massive let down for me. Anyone looking to pick one up for cheap, avoid it unless the disco lights draw you in like they did to me.
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+1, it was mainly the lights that attracted me as well (and cheap price, I got mine from an ebay auction for £160 ). Decent hardware/beautiful design but let down by poor software, 1GB RAM is plenty. I should be getting my replacement very soon as well :fingers-crossed: .
Tbh my experience with Sony has only gotten worse with time, I remember back when I was using the Xperia X8-happy days :good:.

another unhappy customer
crappy screen, constant lag!!! my samsung s2 and nexus7 2012 blow this thing away. i have ordered a new phone and am actually looking forward to smashing this thing with a hammer!

Same here... I hate my XSP. Battery life is bad, buggy update, 4.4 cancelled... I need new phone but don't know what to buy. I am considering XZ3C but its Sony.....

Yea, the worst part I thought the phone is very good and and comes near the s4 when I bought it, because of the benchmarks. This is the last time I trust benchmarks. I have got my phone since 1 year and I think I will wait for the note 5 .

For the money the XP has very decent specs. Yet somehow no matter which ROM I use there always seem to be lag issues. My wife's S2 performs much better in that respect even though its specs are somewhat lower.
I noticed that greenifying background apps help a lot to reduce lag in day to day usage. But still whenever I do some multitasking, e.g. switching to a music app while tracking my run using runtastic, the phone lags.
It would be very interesting to find out why the SP with its more than decent specs is so laggy.

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So
Ever since i saw this phone i was like MUST HAVE THIS
When i finally bought it last year it was huge upgrade from xperia mini pro that i has.
But as time passed i was seeing the flaws that i cant unseen.
UNRESPONSIVE DIGITALIZER OMG SO BAD - any custom rom and sometimes even on STOCK
The hw seems good, i dont know where the problem is but this phone is just too slow, i think it is because of slow internal memory.
I cant affort upgrade so......
Running RR 5.4.0 Finally working well...... (still ram problems like any other rom on this phone.....)

Yes the hardware lied to me too. I had a phone with 15k on antutu and ran smoother than xsp. I sold it yesterday. I don't have much money so I will buy a budget device like lg l bello or lenovo a6000 and they will still be better than this xsp.

yea, we all have something in common.

I'm very happy with my XSP now, but I had to do a lot of cleaning on the ROM.
Out of the box experience is bad, I must admit.
I tried custom ROMs and none of them really satisfied me. I got back to stock rooted (.207), removed all Sony apps and a lot of other system apps I don't use. Now battery life is very good and even multitasking is OK. I have ~320MB free RAM after boot. I installed Xposd to have all the nice tweaks that custom ROMs provide.
Having to tweak the phone so much to get it to work is not acceptable for an average customer, but I am happy with my XSP because I did it.
Also note that i bought my phone in July 2013 for 320€, and at that time it was a very good deal. Best hardware for the price.
So I am not unhappy at all, but totally aware that this phone is not a good deal if you stick to out of the box experience.

thewild said:
I'm very happy with my XSP now, but I had to do a lot of cleaning on the ROM.
Out of the box experience is bad, I must admit.
I tried custom ROMs and none of them really satisfied me. I got back to stock rooted (.207), removed all Sony apps and a lot of other system apps I don't use. Now battery life is very good and even multitasking is OK. I have ~320MB free RAM after boot. I installed Xposd to have all the nice tweaks that custom ROMs provide.
Having to tweak the phone so much to get it to work is not acceptable for an average customer, but I am happy with my XSP because I did it.
Also note that i bought my phone in July 2013 for 320€, and at that time it was a very good deal. Best hardware for the price.
So I am not unhappy at all, but totally aware that this phone is not a good deal if you stick to out of the box experience.
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For someone this phone can be ok, but the digitizer problems are just a disaster for android phone like this.....
I am probably not buying sony phone again, but only reason for that is really poor software support

you guys are lucky
My xperia SP is boot loader locked by my carrier (EE) have tried every rom available to get good performance. So I'm back to stock with xposed.
Anyway 1gb of RAM should be fine, and would be fine, but the xperia SP doesn't have 1gb of RAM, 185mb is used by the baseband processor, leaving 839mb for the OS. Oh wait that isn't optimised. Darn only 256mb for the user. Great thinking Sony.
Also you give it 720p how is the CPU going to push the OS. Give me strength.
System UI works hard... Typo because the screen responsiveness has stopped. I meant hardly working.
The camera well that produces more noise than the speaker.
The aluminium "co-molded" chassis The metallic version of chipboard. The back of the phone that flexes inward and disintergrates due to the amount of times I've had to remove it to hard off the phone
These kinks that our phone has, make it for me.
The Design Connoisseur's smartphone, remind me to nail it to the wall when I'm done with it.

The phone always let me down but then I found out it was because I was using way too many modules on xposed lol.
I recently unlocked my bootloader and flashed mrcl's CM12.1 with Tangerine kernel (the first ever CM12 based kennel for the XSP and the first custom kernel I've ever used). Everything is incredibly smooth, feels like I'm playing a game at 60FPS.
Here's what I did with the kernel
CPU Governor: Smartassv2
GPU Governor: ondemand
I/O Scheduler: bfq
Here's what I did for speed
1. SD Maid Pro
2. Z3's Xperia Home (believe it or not)
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TheAvengingTITAN said:
The phone always let me down but then I found out it was because I was using way too many modules on xposed lol.
I recently unlocked my bootloader and flashed mrcl's CM12.1 with Tangerine kernel (the first ever CM12 based kennel for the XSP and the first custom kernel I've ever used). Everything is incredibly smooth, feels like I'm playing a game at 60FPS.
Here's what I did with the kernel
CPU Governor: Smartassv2
GPU Governor: ondemand
I/O Scheduler: bfq
Here's what I did for speed
1. SD Maid Pro
2. Z3's Xperia Home (believe it or not)
Sent from my Xperia SP using XDA Free mobile app
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Do you have a good battery life?

Spasik said:
For someone this phone can be ok, but the digitizer problems are just a disaster for android phone like this.....
I am probably not buying sony phone again, but only reason for that is really poor software support
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What are your problems with the digitizer ?
I don't have any. I play some games, so I believe I would have noticed.
As for RAM, it is not that much of a problem once you've cleaned the ROM. I can play games like Asphalt 8 without any issue.
Anyway, I agree that the stock software is very bad, but the hardware is fine IMHO.

Whatever you do you will not able to make it normal. I sold it and bought a lenovo a6000. The lenovo is faster even tho it has 20k on antutu, you install apps extremely fast and you have much better display, it is not heavy as a nokia like the xsp was and overall even tho it has 20 k points on anututu it does the job better

lvints said:
Do you have a good battery life?
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Excellent battery life.
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rdlegy said:
The lenovo is faster even tho it has 20k on antutu, you install apps extremely fast
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The SP with CM12.1 gave me a score of 27000+ and everything is blazing fast. I actually compared this side by side with a Z2 and Z3 and I can say, the SP is as fast as them with the new ROMs when It comes to installation and multitasking.
Sad to see you left the XSP. But at least you're happy with your lenovo
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I took this when my phone was overheating, so this is the lowest score I got on AnTuTu with Android 5.1
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rdlegy said:
Whatever you do you will not able to make it normal. I sold it and bought a lenovo a6000. The lenovo is faster even tho it has 20k on antutu, you install apps extremely fast and you have much better display, it is not heavy as a nokia like the xsp was and overall even tho it has 20 k points on anututu it does the job better
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Antutu is antutu. It relies a lot on gaming performance for instance, and the XSP is good at 3D games. It does not rely much on storage performance, and XSP is not good there.
But you say that you can't make it normal and I have to disagree with this because mine is behaving perfectly, on stock (cleaned) ROM.
Even battery life is good. (one day with quite heavy usage, Waze, Ingress, podcasts over Bluetooth...)
Good that you like your new phone anyway. My XSP will soon be 2 years old, and I think it might last another year.
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I took this when my phone was overheating, so this is the lowest score I got on AnTuTu with Android 5.1
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I have about the same score with stock 4.3 (26.819 actually), default io and scheduler.
But benchmarks are. just benchmarks.