Hey everybody,
Most of the people says "You have only 256 mb Ram on your Device, you don't get Honeycomb!"
Pah! Are you kidding me?
Sibere did a test in the emulator with same specs as Gen8 Devices
Code:
[email protected]:/proc # cat meminfo
cat meminfo
MemTotal: 256596 kB
MemFree: 54432 kB
Buffers: 40 kB
Cached: 109068 kB
HC uses just 93 MB Ram
Froyo needs ~50-60 MB Ram!^^
So, thats good news i think
Just want to tell it everybody..
What do you say about this?
Thanks goes to sibere for testing
To be fair, Sibere did that with the SDK, correct. The full source Honeycomb might use a bit more than that. I hope we can run it though, I'm sure Honeycomb would probably run OK. But I get enough launcher reloads using Froyo after playing games or browsing the Internet. If Honeycomb uses more RAM than Froyo, I wonder how much more it would have to reload stuff after using Internet browsers or games, plus if it uses more RAM, that would mean when it reloads the launcher it would take longer to load, right. This may not be as much of an issue in Honeycomb because I'm sure it manages memory better than Froyo, but it still leaves me wondering and we wont truly know until someone gets Honeycomb running on our Gen 8s.
I'll keep hoping that it can run Honeycomb and that we eventually get it (or Gingerbread)
93Mb is just the system and the launcher.
As you start installing apps, some of them will need services to run in the background, sucking precious MB of RAM.
So yes HC could run on 256Mb, but we will never get an user experience as good as a device with 512Mb or 1GB or RAM.
I'd love to try HC on my 70. I don't run many apps anyway at the same time so if 90mb is needed for the core OS, 160mb for apps is enough for me.
bug splat said:
I'd love to try HC on my 70. I don't run many apps anyway at the same time so if 90mb is needed for the core OS, 160mb for apps is enough for me.
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there will never be 160mb free if you have 90core
on a nook with hc you have less then 200free on a running system.
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Ram used for GPU is about 4mb. (adjustable in kernel build parameters if I'm not mistaken)
The thing is: Do we really want HC now? Look at the HC market... almost empty.
We'd better have gingerbread for now and wait for ice cream sandwich IMHO.
+1 for GB.
Better GC + SIP is prob. worth the hassle
Moved to proper forum.
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Hi,
In the specification sheet of HTC HD, it is clearly said that Ram is 288 and Rom is 512. But when I turn on the device, I saw that the memory for storage is 322 (71 in use) and for program is 195.58 (80 in use).
Where are the missing part?
288-195=93 MB of RAM
512-322=190 MB of ROM?
Yes, because if your ROM was empty, your device would not start up. If your RAM was empty, you wouldn't have an Operating System loaded into it to run it.
The figures you have quoted are the factory / in use figures... i.e. Once you have started your phone up, some of the RAM gets used up by loading the OS from ROM.
I hate to sound patronising and pedantic, but if you had to ask that question, you should have probably bought an iPhone.
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have started your phone up, some of the RAM gets used up by loading the OS from ROM.
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I knew this. But I am surprised that the OS takes such a large mount of RAM and ROM.
Do you mean that 512-322=190 MB of ROM is used for storing OS and other default apps like manila; and 288-195=93 MB of RAM is for WM 6.1?
After a soft restart, there are already 80MB RAM in use so I only have 100 MB for other apps out of 288 MB!!
I guess there should be a way to reduce the RAM and ROM usage by deleting some default apps. There is wm PPC comes with 128 RAM which gives user <100 mb to use. I am expecting that since HD has 288, I should have at least 200 mb instead of 100 mb to run my apps.
PS: I dislike the way apple manages iphone and mac. So no thanks.
Lots of the cooked ROMs in the ROM development forum cut out a lot of the fat - there are varying degrees between completely minimal to fully functional - depends on what you want. I think you will find it very difficult to fill the ROM on your device with programs etc - and media is what the Micro SD slot is for.
Could maybe do with a little more RAM at times but you can kill stuff with the taskmanager if you find your phone getting a bit sluggish.
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Could maybe do with a little more RAM at times but you can kill stuff with the taskmanager if you find your phone getting a bit sluggish.
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I agree with you on this point.
Are there any tweaks to do this?
acolytelee said:
I agree with you on this point.
Are there any tweaks to do this?
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You could always use CleanRAM which does as it says, cleans RAM. Some apps or games like Xtrakt or NFS Undercover sometimes won't run due to insufficient RAM. After using this app on setting 2 they work.
Other than this your best bet is to use a lite rom with little or no apps installed on it so you can choose what you want.
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Other than this your best bet is to use a lite rom with little or no apps installed on it so you can choose what you want.
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Thanks.
The lite rom, 6.1 or 6.5, does a lot to reduce Rom, which is not so useful, but not that much to the Ram.
The available ram is still 190 ~ 195 mb.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482258
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502618
However, it does cut off the Ram in use from 80 to 45 mb so finally one has 150 mb. but where is the missing 288-195?
I think you might need to just get over it matey. In proportion, it's actually not a lot of RAM usage at all. Not when you consider Windows Vista is happy when it has 1GB all to itself and then another GB for programs to run in. That's about 50% for the OS. You're moaning about the OS using about 35% of your RAM.
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I think you might need to just get over it matey. In proportion, it's actually not a lot of RAM usage at all. Not when you consider Windows Vista is happy when it has 1GB all to itself and then another GB for programs to run in. That's about 50% for the OS. You're moaning about the OS using about 35% of your RAM.
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for PC or laptops it's fine with that usage because you can buy rams at very cheap price.
I just dont understand why there is a missing 100 MB ram for wm 6.1 os. the other phones, such as htc nike with 128mb ram give program mem of 100mb. so the os takes only 28 mb.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/nikiproject/niki-project-v10.png
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You could always use CleanRAM which does as it says, cleans RAM. Some apps or games like Xtrakt or NFS Undercover sometimes won't run due to insufficient RAM. After using this app on setting 2 they work.
Other than this your best bet is to use a lite rom with little or no apps installed on it so you can choose what you want.
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You posted CleanRAM v1.1, v1.7 is out dude
Froyo has the new kernel version which supports highmem.
After doing a manual update of Froyo on my N1, I was curious and so i checked the available memory with OSMonitor and PeakMemUsage.
Both apps claim that the total memory is 385 Mb.
Shouldn't that value be rather 512 Mb?
Am I missing something here?
So far froyo ist really great. Haven't tested all new features but swiping through home screens is much smoother than with 2.1.
timeu said:
Froyo has the new kernel version which supports highmem.
After doing a manual update of Froyo on my N1, I was curious and so i checked the available memory with OSMonitor and PeakMemUsage.
Both apps claim that the total memory is 385 Mb.
Shouldn't that value be rather 512 Mb?
Am I missing something here?
So far froyo ist really great. Haven't tested all new features but swiping through home screens is much smoother than with 2.1.
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I face the similar problem... mine show total memory is 386MB but my friend rooted N1 with Froyo... he had 406MB...
there are going to be programs running that are going to reduce that (e.g. launcher, et al). you will never see 100% free RAM
I read on another forum that the advertised RAM is 512M RAM but the Kernel on the SGS can only see 256M RAM.
Can current owners confirm this is indeed the case?
This might be slowing the phone if this is indeed the case.
Crap. Since it is running Android 2.1, there shouldnt be any problems whatsoever. Why dont you download Advanced task Killer and check out the amount of free ram yourself?
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Crap. Since it is running Android 2.1, there shouldnt be any problems whatsoever. Why dont you download Advanced task Killer and check out the amount of free ram yourself?
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I don't own the device but am considering it.
I was wondering if one of current owners could check this and let us know.
Until 2.2 (froyo) isn't the most ram Android can read 256mb?
Nope.
The EVO reads 512M and is on 2.1
i believe the Desire too.
The N1 got a modied Kernel on 2.1 that was able to see 512M.
Ahh my bad sorry
I believe i read in another forum that it's using an outdated kernal. Someone can make a custom rom and fix it eventually.
First of all it does have 512 MB of ram. The problem is that the current kernel can only use 0x50000 KB of it. After reading a bit of the dpram module it seems that samsung report to the kernel that 0x50000 KB is the memory size of the device. I think they did it due to the aforementioned bug.
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Do we know if 2.2 will fix this ?
2.2 should but i hope some talented dev can unlock the additional memory before that
I'm using Android System app to check and its showing me...
Ram: Max: 325Mo Free: 132Mo 40% (i have seen higher FREE Mo).
and when i run like almost all the apps i can think of, right now i have like 20 apps running I checked on (Advanced Task Killer) to see what is running, than I went back to Android System and now its showing me
Ram: Max: 325Mo Free: 35Mo.
I can notice lag but it still runs faster than my last N95 8gb. (With nothing running).
Hope this helps.
Hi there,
I just got my Acer A500, and Iam very happy with it except for one thing which is the use of RAM.
Honeycomb uses half the RAM to operate, so i get 400 mb free only.
I have Htc HD2(448mb ram) with Froyo, i get 320 mb free.
So if I change my Acer to Froyo will it give me more free ram than now?
Safarend said:
Hi there,
I just got my Acer A500, and Iam very happy with it except for one thing which is the use of RAM.
Honeycomb uses half the RAM to operate, so i get 400 mb free only.
I have Htc HD2(448mb ram) with Froyo, i get 320 mb free.
So if I change my Acer to Froyo will it give me more free ram than now?
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Why do you feel you need more free ram? In a Linux environment free ram is wasted ram. Do things not work as expected, are you noticing any performance related issues that make you think you need more ram? Or, is this about getting a bigger number that doesn't really relate to actual enjoyment of the device?
if you are really that obsessed with your free ram...root your tab and rename/remove any app that you do not think you will ever use. that way they do not run in the background. i have done this with quite a bit of apps and i hover around 450-500mb free.
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yes, things not work as expected !
I thought with 1 gb of RAM I will be able to move between apps without the need of klling them, but now when I move from app to another it become slow in many ways for example, using the keyboard will be depressing each time i press, i have to wait, also, some time it frezez for 2 or 3 seconds, last example is the AutoCAD need 300 mb to work, so i cannot check my email while playing the AutoCAD, i have to kill it then check my email.
Thanks for replying
Y does gingerbread hog so much ram at start up?? when i had any froyo rom... each time i booted my phone, i had about 112mb used on start up on any froyo rom.. now on any gingerbread rom, its 220mb and more on start up!! and i also notice the phone lag allot when ever used up ram reaches 280 mbs... and it never gets past taht point.... wich i dont know y because thats just a waist of ram...
unused ram is wasted ram
Froyo and Gingerbread for me is the same when it comes to free ram.
Yes..... but id like to have the option to keep that unused ram for my iser applications...
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Yes..... but id like to have the option to keep that unused ram for my iser applications...
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That really isn't how it works.
Bad.... bescause the os kills apps that id like to have to background....when it can use upto 330mb...but chooses to not go past 280 sadly..
For me it uses about 110 MB which is a lot less than the 280 MB that froyo roms would use. I'm on cm7.1
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dardani89 said:
For me it uses about 110 MB which is a lot less than the 280 MB that froyo roms would use. I'm on cm7.1
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I think you have it backwards. That's only how much you have left... I could be wrong though. I want to get my panties in a bunch over the principles of not having gingerbread. But to be totally honest after flashing so many roms and testing so many different kernel combos and so on, I don't see the real advantage of having my resources eaten up so that I have a "CRT" screen off animation. I am an adult that needs a functioning phone. I heard way back when that 2.3 is more optimized for gaming. I haven't noticed a difference. Flame away though ye Vibrant owners....
I'm looking at the running tabs of the manage apps section and I have 120 MB taken up with another 210 MB free. I'm running Skype, kaokaotalk, Google maps, beautiful Widgets and Google voice on top of the OS and just opening up the app manager takes up 18 mb itself. In total running apps take up around 60 mb. The rest are cached. I don't think the apps are taking much memory cause they're in standby mode though. Gingerbread has been like a night and day difference compared to froyo IMHO. Much better ram management and faster switching between apps and all out performance. Try cm7.1 I highly highly recommend it. I just started using it a week ago and I'm starting to think Im an idiot for not trying it before. Along with the GPS fix and glitch kernel its much better than bionic 1.3.1 which was what I was using before.
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I'm looking at the running tabs of the manage apps section and I have 120 MB taken up with another 210 MB free. I'm running Skype, kaokaotalk, Google maps, beautiful Widgets and Google voice on top of the OS and just opening up the app manager takes up 18 mb itself. In total running apps take up around 60 mb. The rest are cached. I don't think the apps are taking much memory cause they're in standby mode though. Gingerbread has been like a night and day difference compared to froyo IMHO. Much better ram management and faster switching between apps and all out performance. Try cm7.1 I highly highly recommend it. I just started using it a week ago and I'm starting to think Im an idiot for not trying it before. Along with the GPS fix and glitch kernel its much better than bionic 1.3.1 which was what I was using before.
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Cm7 lacks hardware acceleration wich means scrolling suvks on the web and no 720p fladh vid playback... wich is something i need.
You can just use opera web browser for smooth scrolling and amazing web browsing overall. I don't know about the lack of 720p playback will check on it though.
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helikido said:
Bad.... bescause the os kills apps that id like to have to background....when it can use upto 330mb...but chooses to not go past 280 sadly..
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You really have no idea how android software manages itself, do you? I'm pretty sure the software is smarter than you are at managing your apps.
Also, the more functions you add in software, the more space it takes up in both rom and ram.
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You really have no idea how android software manages itself, do you? I'm pretty sure the software is smarter than you are at managing your apps.
Also, the more functions you add in software, the more space it takes up in both rom and ram.
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He should probably install Android 1.1 if he wants to go back to managing his apps.
How is performance? People need to stop worrying about how RAM is being used unless they're OS engineers or at least know a bit about how memory management works. People did the same thing when Windows 7 was released because it appears to use more RAM, but overall performance with modern hardware and a good amount of RAM is much better than Win2000 and WinXP. Ideally the OS should use as much RAM as possible and swap things out when needed according to a memory management algorithm that maximizes performance, not free RAM.
Memory don't really matter unless u use browser alot an its annoying opening system panel an see 90 apps open >.<
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People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!
helikido said:
People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!
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Clear your browser data.
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I have about 220 used out of 339mb honestly I have alot of apps running i do a good amount of web browsing and i have a live wallpaper going as well and i have yet to reach a point where there is not enough ram available ...This is my experience with most GB roms i have used..
I honestly think the biggest problem when it comes down to lag is people do not give enough time to run in the software.. Think about when you flash between different roms alot is changing, in some cases even the entire file system is converted. I use Simply Honey 4 now and the first day it had a little hang up here or there.. now 2 days later nothing lags not even the browser.. This was a similar experience when i tried out CM7 and Malice... Just my opinion..
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People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!
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You're assuming that it's lagging because it's not managing memory as well as it could be, but you're jumping to that conclusion. The processor, the IO with the browser cache, lots of Flash in pages, etc. can all cause browser lag. Try setting Plug-Ins to On Demand so that it doesn't run every Flash advertisement on every page. Flash really bogs down the CPU.