Anybody know how the three OS versions compare (eclair, froyo, gingerbread) as far as system file size and how much of the internal storage they take? I would hope Gingerbread is the least bloated most optimized, but is the truth different?
I would imagine it increases with each revision as they add more features, although that doesn't mean it's more bloated. Freeing up space on the system partition doesn't really matter anyway. If you don't use it then it's just wasted.
Why would it not matter, isnt the 'system partition' and the internal storage synonymous?
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Why would it not matter, isnt the 'system partition' and the internal storage synonymous?
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The internal storage on the phone is divided into several partitions. Each partition is a fixed size.
In specific, the system partition (where the ROM is stored) is 240MB and the data partition (where installed apps are stored) is 185MB. Freeing up space in the system partition won't give you any extra space on the data partition.
However the CM ROMs place the Dalvik cache on the data partition, so naturally you will have less space available for apps. I don't think the Sense "Liberated" ROMs do that but I'm not positive.
If you want more app space though, just use one of the various apps2sd methods.
Yeah I tried dark tremors a2sd before, but even though it freed up an insane amount of space it wasn't worth the performance loss. I may try it again in the future though.
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I have a TMOUS HD2 1024 from the US go live release (red reset button). I have been using various Android builds for a few weeks now and love the MDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v2.2 (11 JAN). My question is this:
If I use one of the builds made specifically for the 1024 ROM will I see better response times? I know they are compatable since I am already using a 512 but more importantly would there be any benefit using a ROM designed for the 1024?
If there is a differnece is there a way to modify this build so it takes advantage of the full 1024 ROM? I have seen discussion related to changing the size of some spicific files that modify storage sizes but am very novice to phone edits and quite cautious. Any help would be welcomed and if this has already been discussed a simple link would be most appriciated.
With 1024MB ROM, there are no advantages in terms of speed performance.
However, you do get space advantages.
If you flash a 350MB ROM, 350MB is being used by the system partition, a small amount is used by the boot partition and cache, then the rest are all userdata partition, which gives you around 500MB free space to install apps and store user data. (SMS, etc)
People with 512MB ROM, 350MB is being used by system partition, minus boot, cache, you have like around 50MB to 100MB left which isn't much for apps and user data. Which is why they need to use A2SD+ or DATA2EXT or similar methods of increasing userdata storage.
Try using Clockwork Recovery. You will have ALOT of free space. Even if you don't do A2SD+ partition, since MDJ's Gingerbread Cyanogen uses less than 150MB for system partition.
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With 1024MB ROM, there are no advantages in terms of speed performance.
However, you do get space advantages.
If you flash a 350MB ROM, 350MB is being used by the system partition, a small amount is used by the boot partition and cache, then the rest are all userdata partition, which gives you around 500MB free space to install apps and store user data. (SMS, etc)
People with 512MB ROM, 350MB is being used by system partition, minus boot, cache, you have like around 50MB to 100MB left which isn't much for apps and user data. Which is why they need to use A2SD+ or DATA2EXT or similar methods of increasing userdata storage.
Try using Clockwork Recovery. You will have ALOT of free space. Even if you don't do A2SD+ partition, since MDJ's Gingerbread Cyanogen uses less than 150MB for system partition.
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Thanks so much best info so far.
Right now, I have 109 mb free (16%) in /data. I also have 128 mb free of 146 mb available in /cache.
I applied the dalvik-cache to cache move through recovery and adb and then listed the results of the move:
221 mb (or so) free in /data. Awesome!
21 mb (or so) free in /cache. Not so awesome.
Here's my thinking:
1. Without this mod, I still have 109 mb free for app storage.
2. With this mod, I only have 21 mb left for the dalvik-cache, minus whatever else the system decides to put in there (those annoying Download.apks)
3. Even though it will report that I have 221 mb free after the mod, there is no way the dalvik-cache produced by those 221 mb of apps will be less than 21 mb.
4. Quite possibly, it will leave us with less app space as well as other problems, aka, the phone doesn't like it when the /cache partition is full and can't write anything else to it.
I did not reboot my phone, instead I deleted the dalvik-cache folder from /cache and deleted /data/dalvik-cache. I didn't want to go through the trouble of setting permissions for /cache.
So, is it worth it? It makes sense why HTC didn't increase the /cache partition as well as the /data one. It's not like they have us in mind when they roll out their new phones. I'm just wondering if this mod has reached the end of its rope, so to speak. Is there another directory we could move it to? Moving it to system seems the only possible option, but we would have to have the phone boot with /system as rw. Can we resize the cache partition? Seems rather dangerous. Bottom line: Is it worth it?
Anything downloaded into cache typically clears itself out. If you want to get more space on your cache, switch to an odex rom, will clear up a lot of space from dalvik. But 148 MB of cache is way overkill.
I want to look into modifying firerat's partition mod to work on our phones and move some of that huge unused system space to /data but I am horribly too busy at the moment to mess around
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Anything downloaded into cache typically clears itself out. If you want to get more space on your cache, switch to an odex rom, will clear up a lot of space from dalvik. But 148 MB of cache is way overkill.
I want to look into modifying firerat's partition mod to work on our phones and move some of that huge unused system space to /data but I am horribly too busy at the moment to mess around
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Personally, I am okay with the amount of space given for apps. I just wanted to raise the question.
I am new to xda and so am not familiar with all the mods that have been implemented on other phones. When I had the Moment and was involved over at SDX, we were so busy fixing the Moment to make it usable that many mods were never implemented. It's amazing what is being done here at xda, and not to detract from the good folks at SDX, who I love, but it seems the sheer number of quality devs is staggering here. I think I'll be content being an end-user for a while and helping out where I can.
I'll look into firerat's partition mod and though I can't promise I'll be able to apply it here on the Shift, I'll give it a good go. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, danaff37
I sure do miss fireat's partition mod on the Hero. I have about 50mb left in data on my Shift. I've used a2sd before, but I prefer my apps to run off the phone memory.
I agree with ya. And it annoys me to see over 200 megs free on system, just sitting there!
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I sure do miss fireat's partition mod on the Hero. I have about 50mb left in data on my Shift. I've used a2sd before, but I prefer my apps to run off the phone memory.
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I'm running most of my larger apps off of the SD card and haven't had any issues.
I'd say give it a try and see what you think.
I'm also running a Class 10 card.
If you don't have one I suggest this one
My epic 4g is running ei22 Legendary v.1 with the samurai 3.3 assassin kernel. I am a bit of an app whore and have loading it up with nearly 260 apps. I have accomplished this with the use of a 2.5gb ext4 partiton on my class10 16gb sd card, the darktremor script and the a2sdgui app. With this setup I am have all the storage I need and then some.
My question is; is it possible to repartition in order for more ram as opposed to storage?
I have excluded a fair amount of apps from starting up at boot, and I aggressively manage my memory with a memory manager, but I still feel I need more ram.
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My epic 4g is running ei22 Legendary v.1 with the samurai 3.3 assassin kernel. I am a bit of an app whore and have loading it up with nearly 260 apps. I have accomplished this with the use of a 2.5gb ext4 partiton on my class10 16gb sd card, the darktremor script and the a2sdgui app. With this setup I am have all the storage I need and then some.
My question is; is it possible to repartition in order for more ram as opposed to storage?
I have excluded a fair amount of apps from starting up at boot, and I aggressively manage my memory with a memory manager, but I still feel I need more ram.
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I believe ram is a completely different chip in the phone, opposed to the storage space, because it functions a lot differently. But I may be wrong.
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I believe ram is a completely different chip in the phone, opposed to the storage space, because it functions a lot differently. But I may be wrong.
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Wait, WHAT?! The ram isn't in our SD cards?! You don't say! Although I was starting to suspect something when I noticed that if I remove the SD card (or mount it as USB storage), the phone keeps functioning, and I know that can't happen with any computer when the ram is removed...
The OP only mentioned partitioning of the SD card, not internal storage. Also, ram isn't partitioned... he is most likely referring to creating a swap partition on his sd card, which the system would then use as additional storage space for temporary data that would normally be held in ram. However, the CPU still needs the data in ram in order to interact with it, so if the required data is actually in the swap partition, then the system would need to free up some room in ram for the required data (often, by swapping places with data in ram that isn't currently needed, hence the name...
@OP - I'm fairly certain the Epic doesn't currently support swap files/partitions, but I recall seeing mention of other android phones with that ability. But it shouldn't be necessary, our phones have enough ram - if you are running out of memory (errors, not simply seeing a low amount of available ram) then you either have something wrong with your phone, or you need to stop trying to keep all of your favorite 3d games loaded at the same time, lol
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Our phone does have the ability to support swap. Some Bonsai releases support swap. First you'd have to make sure the /sdcard was partitioned for swap to have a place to reside. Then, it'd have to be enabled in the kernel and there are tweaks to "swapiness" that sets aggressiveness of swap use - basically swap enable will try to take dormant items in RAM and move them to SWAP to free up RAM. You can run 'free' command from the terminal to see how much swap is available and in use.
All that said - I don't think the OP is referring to SWAP or RAM - as those would only help free up running memory. OP seems to be interested in more room on his OneNAND data partition and SDCard for Apps to be installed.
RE OP: CM7 MTD downsized the /cache partition in OneNAND and gave a sizeable boost to /data space for more apps (see images posted by AproSamurai showing free space). If you run the command 'df -h' from the terminal you'll see the size (total, used, available) of /system, /data, and /cache. On CM7 I have the following sizes, respectively, 268.5M, 676.5M, and 25M. Side note: The 25M cache isn't large enough for all Market apps to download though so noobnl fixed by mounting /cache/download on /data partition (MTDBlock3) to allow for larger apps to cache in download directory before install.
If you're sticking with a GB TW ROM though - I don't understand your setup. Why not just use the built in GB capability to move Apps to SD Card in Settings -> Applications (select app and "move to SD card" for those compatible/capable)? I don't get why you need to create a separate EXT4 partition and use 3rd party tools. Can you elaborate on why they wouldn't work?
Rereading your OP - NO - you can't get more RAM to fit in the phone. It's got what it's got and you can't get more from it. Enabling SWAP may help, terminating resident apps in the background MAY help, but at the end of the day you can't increase the RAM available. You'll need to better manage what you have.
Please don't confuse RAM with storage memory - that got me turned around in your OP.
Sorry for confusing you, if I did. I wasn't interested in partitioning my sd card for more ram on the sd card. My interest is in using the cache space for ram. I don't understand how a phone can be stated as having 512mb's of ram and 1gb of rom and not be. Yet all the epic can muster is 362mb of ram, most of our performance issues are due to that... If there was a way to unlock any more ram in samsung's specs claim I wanted to know.
If you're sticking with a GB TW ROM though - I don't understand your setup. Why not just use the built in GB capability to move Apps to SD Card in Settings -> Applications (select app and "move to SD card" for those compatible/capable)? I don't get why you need to create a separate EXT4 partition and use 3rd party tools. Can you elaborate on why they wouldn't work?
I would have loved to use the .android folder to save my apps but my dalvik cache would fill the internal space and limit me to about 180 apps. With the Darktremor script and a2sdgui I am able to put my Dalvik on the ext4 partition of my SD card.
I would have loved to use the .android folder to save my apps but my dalvik cache would fill the internal space and limit me to about 180 apps. With the Darktremor script and a2sdgui I am able to put my Dalvik on the ext4 partition of my SD card.
Just flashed CM10.1, went to storage, still only have 9gb of storage. Did i need to format "/system" too?
No...I've said it countless times in numerous threads
FOR MORE USABLE STORAGE SPACE WE NEED A NEW PARTITION LAYOUT
basically, debloating doesn't increase space. All the crap bloat is put into the system partition...whether or nit you have the bloat the system partition stays the same unless a dev includes a new partition layout in his Rom...which from my understanding requires kernel/ramdisk edits as well as actual scripts included in the zip to repartition the device
-hope that helps your understanding on why you still only have 9gb available
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I am getting this message and it takes me to my storage via Settings. The main culprits appear to be Apps (consuming 3.57 GB) and Miscellaneous ( consuming 9.16 GB). Have not encountered this before so wondering what is recommended to do next to resolve this (besides just deleting apps). I have a SD card a LOT of unused space (about 60 GB).
The user usable storage space of the internal memory is 9 GB on the S4 16 GB version.
So I assume you have a 32 GB version?
Otherwise what you're saying - about miscellaneous using 9 GB and data 3 GB - doesn't make sense.
My idea would be to wipe the internal storage.
The device memory shows 16 GB. I installed a card which is what I was referring to with the additional storage. How do you wipe the internal storage and won't that negatively impact other things?
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The device memory shows 16 GB. I installed a card which is what I was referring to with the additional storage. How do you wipe the internal storage and won't that negatively impact other things?
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How you wipe it depends on the recovery you're using.
Some apps store data on the internal memory, so that will get wiped, and everything on the internal memory with it.
ROM and user installed apps are stored on a different partition, so they should be safe.
So based on what you said, I'm not feeling comfortable the wiping the internal memory is such a good idea. Is there a more strategic, selective way to go about this rather than a broad-brush wipe and risk losing stuff or functions?
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How you wipe it depends on the recovery you're using.
Some apps store data on the internal memory, so that will get wiped, and everything on the internal memory with it.
ROM and user installed apps are stored on a different partition, so they should be safe.
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I just offered you an easy way.
The alternative is to go through each folder, see what it contains and delete unnecessary stuff.
You could always try SDMaid available on the play store
Edit....you *are* rooted right?
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