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Our development team who has been assigned to the vibrant seem to have stalled out on interest in porting CM over to our beloved vibrant. I wonder if Samsung will actually release 2.2 before the developers.
Just curious if anyone knows why its moving along so slowly.
I was really hoping to see more fanfare over the vibrant being such a fabulous piece of hardware.
And with that being said.... those who live to rip someone to shreds for talking such blasphemy.... lemme have it.
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If you offer to bankroll their efforts, they might be able to allocate more of their time to Vibrant development.
It's moving slowly since the Cyan devs are still working on the MT3GS. All the supplies (I think) are in place since Wes (The Cyan developer for this phone) got a phone to work on.
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I am just being patient and know that it will be all worth it when it does eventually gets ported over.
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18.4009 said:
Our development team who has been assigned to the vibrant seem to have stalled out on interest in porting CM over to our beloved vibrant. I wonder if Samsung will actually release 2.2 before the developers.
Just curious if anyone knows why its moving along so slowly.
I was really hoping to see more fanfare over the vibrant being such a fabulous piece of hardware.
And with that being said.... those who live to rip someone to shreds for talking such blasphemy.... lemme have it.
18.4009
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Samsung said "End of September" which really mean "at the earliest." I have little doubt the CM6 team will have a ROM out long before then.
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It's moving slowly since the Cyan devs are still working on the MT3GS. All the supplies (I think) are in place since Wes (The Cyan developer for this phone) got a phone to work on.
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^^ this is correct, once the slide is done we should see some progress :]
in all honesty, if i was them i would wait. Do all the prep work that is necessary and just wait for Samsung to release the 2.2 source to mod from, it would make it that much easier and more compatible.
I say that fully expecting Samsung not to change anything and that means leaving root/clockwork being super easy to implement. Now should that change, then the prep work is done, just have to get cooking
Wes is a fabulous dev. (kicked him some funds back in the G1 dev days.
I think he should toss that slide to the. Curb and work on a real phone.
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18.4009 said:
Wes is a fabulous dev. (kicked him some funds back in the G1 dev days.
I think he should toss that slide to the. Curb and work on a real phone.
Sent from my Samsung vibrant.
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Plus one on this. The phones got awesome specs to work with. I wish I knew how..lol but ill still try and be patient ...
I could have sworn the evo had roms after a month.. were no where near close to that time frame....
I still don't think Wes should of called that if he got extra donation money for his "laptop" he would purchase a Vibrant and dev for it if he wasn't going to be doing it right away. Since that did kind of help people who has a Vibrant donate for his laptop. I'm glad that there are other talents out there coming into the Vibrant community though.
Saw bbuchacher, justanotherdev, eugene coming along. Hopefully everything will fall into pieces in the upcoming month. And yeah I don't even think myTouch Slide is even popular at all, so iono. Not trying to be impatient or "cry" about it but just speaking justification point of view. Just my 2 cents.
I think most of you guys need to just chill out. Im no where close to being a dev and almost every mod I did on my G1 i've flashed, if you're in the same boat, then definitely need to stop questioning developemnt. If you read closer, or really followed the updates from the other threads, devs and twitter updates you'd see that there is more going on.
Now I can be completely wrong with this, but here is what im getting out of what the current status of Vibrant development is:
-The MTS is currently "first in line" to be caught up to CM6
-The MTS was/is having problems running CM6 being "stable", even with the phone still being manufactured by HTC and Cyanogen working along with side with the devs assigned to it
-Eugene, JAC and others have started to breakdown and develop the Vibrant
-JAC has been asked to merge his work to Github....
Make your conclusions... Donate... Start deving... Shut up... Remember no dev owes you anything.
EDIT: Donation- an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution... usually not tied to any personal gain.
I keep seeing the "Don't worry when CM6 hits it will be amazing. Don't worry when CM6 comes it will fix the problem."
HTC and Samsung are very different animals. Devs have come and gone as well.
Motorola
HTC
Samsung
You tell me why its going to take so long or be a bit slower? It takes time and there simply has to be a lot of interest from the dev and the users.
I'm just kicking back watching and hoping for the best.
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I still don't think Wes should of called that if he got extra donation money for his "laptop" he would purchase a Vibrant and dev for it if he wasn't going to be doing it right away. Since that did kind of help people who has a Vibrant donate for his laptop. I'm glad that there are other talents out there coming into the Vibrant community though.
Saw bbuchacher, justanotherdev, eugene coming along. Hopefully everything will fall into pieces in the upcoming month. And yeah I don't even think myTouch Slide is even popular at all, so iono. Not trying to be impatient or "cry" about it but just speaking justification point of view. Just my 2 cents.
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Last time I checked his Twitter, Dell is taking forever to get his laptop to him as he did some customization to the configuration... Dell took over a month to get my mom her laptop when she changed a few options.
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Last time I checked his Twitter, Dell is taking forever to get his laptop to him as he did some customization to the configuration... Dell took over a month to get my mom her laptop when she changed a few options.
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Took me over 2 months for Dell to build a laptop actually, I'm never buying from Dell again.
Still saying, there was a forum thread on the Development forum saying to donate to Wes to get the Vibrant and all that. Kind of a deceiving, im not impatient whatsoever.
Wes still has access to a computer, I believe and is coding for the Slide so it's not like he doesn't have a computer.
I understand that it would look bad on his part if he bailed on the Slide like that. There could of been better outcomes if a developer who was primarily dedicated to porting CM6 to the Vibrant from the very beginning rather than as a secondary objective.
wesgarner and Scepterr are the developers assigned to the Samsung Galaxy S.
I just donated $25. Donate and lets get this phone off the ground.
Thanks for the donations Wes has his Vibrant coming and soon his laptop. Great Job!!
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I understand that it would look bad on his part if he bailed on the Slide like that. There could of been better outcomes if a developer who was primarily dedicated to porting CM6 to the Vibrant from the very beginning rather than as a secondary objective.
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There are a few already in the development forum. Not sure if any of them are "Teamdouche" but none the less they are devs. JAC already said "I'll be moving my stuff to Github upon request" and "As long as I'm credited for my work you can use it."
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!
what a bunch of cry babies don't worry the Vibrant's turn will come, its definitely a good platform worth doing **** to, a few little things here and there are messed up with the phone but its nothing that hasn't already been addressed.
just be patient, you have to remember that its not like it used to be. Its not just the G1 anymore its a **** load of Android phones with their own issues and with a bunch of cry baby owners just like you lol
the day XDA goes away is the day all of you guys will pull all your hair out. the phones been out for a couple weeks and to be honest i dont think the Galaxy S line sold as well as a lot of other high end devices (EVO,Droid X) so of course devs are gonna go where the masses are.
You think we have it bad? go look at the Captivate section of XDA, they dont have ****, no cases, no roms and out of the Galaxy S line we actually have a decent amount of little morphs and fixes to get us by for now. Be patient dont give up
if you built it they will come
we'l c wut happens lol
I am by no means complaining and am not at all a developer. just a happy android user and rom flasher I just came from MT3G.
I know the Vibrant is new, but with a Galaxy being released on all 4 major carriers, I am honestly surprised a bunch of developers have not jumped all over the Vibrant and Captivate that are out with the 2 others expected soon...I mean this is basically the first time that I know of that virtually the same phone is being released on all 4 US carriers! it seems like a developers dream. are the US galaxy's just still too new?
Going along with that, when Dev start making Roms for US Galaxys, will basically all the same Roms easily run on all 4 US Galaxy variants? basically will they just need some very minor tweaking bc the same hardware? (except for qwerty version)? or will there have to be major modding with the same rom between the different US variants? (if very little tweaking is needed, that is why it seems to me that the US galaxy S versions would be so appealing to dev's)
Lastly, even though ive not rooted mine yet, (mt3g was rooted for the past year), I am looking forward to CM6 like everyone else. But it seems thats mostly what I have seen talked about is CM6. no doubt that the CM team are at the top of the game, but what about developers bringing other Roms too, for example Sense? I am just wondering why most seem to just talk about wanting CM6 when there are tons of other developers and other Roms (coming from my experience with g1/mt3g)?
I know this was a long post, but these topics have been on my mind lately. what do you guys think to any of my thoughts/questions posted above?
The phones haven't even been out a month, give it time. They're drastically different from the HTC setup that most devs are used to, so there is a steep learning curve that needs to be tackled. Also the devs have more then one phone on their plate. They should focus on what they started first before taking on another project, so I expect them to get the slide where it needs to be before starting on the galaxy s.
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Guys, we have a custom kernel. That was a huge step. There is significant progress here. JACs kernel is on rev2. We have other good devs outside of the main CM team looking at things as well. Give them some time, this is a whole new way of doing things, they are having to learn how Samsung does stuff. I honestly think we will see a custom AOSP 2.2 before Samsung releases their custom one.
I heard cyanogen is not going to be working on a rom for the fascinate...is this true?
Anyone supporting the fascinate or is it a dead issue now. Hope not.
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I heard cyanogen is not going to be working on a rom for the fascinate...is this true?
Anyone supporting the fascinate or is it a dead issue now. Hope not.
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Thats because someone needs to step up to start working on CM for the fascinate just because its out doesn't mean that they will make a rom for it.Noobnl over in the Epic forums took the reins and is working on CM for the Epic.
Koush tweeted a while back that he will be porting CM for the Fascinate.
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Koush tweeted a while back that he will be porting CM for the Fascinate.
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Porting seems to either A) render the port useless with the Fascinate or B) takes an extremely long amount of time because of A.
Hopefully something will come soon.
Hopefully we will see some clean and Google filled ROMS soon. I for one would gladly donate to the cause. The fascinate is a great device hardware wise and could really use the help of Cyanogen or Bugless Beast. If anybody has any insight on the matter could you post it here or start a new thread? It was my assumption that they were waiting on an opportunity to develop for 2.2 i/o dealing with 2.1 because of the kernel situation. I am a noob so correct me if I'm wrong here...
For starters Cyanogen himself does not support any device he himself doesn't own. Secondly CyanogenMOD is a rather large Dev team and many of those devs port CyanogenMOD to their devices, also its hard to get CyanogenMOD support for the Fascinate if the CM team doesn't have one or two to work with. You could try making a donation to the CM team specifically for a Fascinate so they can start development. Also as stated before Koushik Dukutta will be porting CM6 once we get a 2.2 kernel source. So as usual just be patient, everything takes time remember how long before the Droid got CM? Development is coming along so we must be patient if we ourselves can't help development move along swimmingly, like myself so I just donate to help the Devs out.
Holding out doing anything with my Fascinate until CyanogenMod comes out for it. How will CyanogenMod work with voodoo?
It will most likely use an EXT4 partition by default so there will be no need for Voodoo. Their forum has a Galaxy S FAQ as it applies to CyanogenMod.
As was already stated, the Vibrant is first. They believe porting to the other Galaxy S variants will be quick after that. We can only hope, donate, and wait.
Let's hope somebody with the required skills and a Fascinate joins the dev team.
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I am debating on giving up my beloved Droid Inc today to a new employee and taking over the Fascinate that I ordered for them... Looking forward to CM for sure, here's hoping that Koush or someone similar will take up the Fascinate builds of CM...
I am assuming all of this will be hinging on a good kernel source for froyo hitting.
choices choices...
I think im going to return my fascinate. I had hoped there would be solid support for this phone but it doesnt seem so. Koush tweeted a SUPRISE but never said exactly what he was working on.
Its a shame because hardware wise this is the best android phone right now.
Hate to say it....but i might go wm7
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I think im going to return my fascinate. I had hoped there would be solid support for this phone but it doesnt seem so. Koush tweeted a SUPRISE but never said exactly what he was working on.
Its a shame because hardware wise this is the best android phone right now.
Hate to say it....but i might go wm7
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Ok guys. AOSP roms are being worked on, but to be honest, there are only 2 people really working on development on this phone right now. There are some more devs that are learning the system and such and trying to get things working, but it will take some time.
CyanogenMod wasnt on the droid 1 for around 5 months, and at the time it was Koush just doing experimental ports. We will get AOSP on this phone, just be patient. We had a huge hang up on the kernel source, but now that we have that all sorted out, and birdman is joining in on the development, we should have it soon
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I think im going to return my fascinate. I had hoped there would be solid support for this phone but it doesnt seem so. Koush tweeted a SUPRISE but never said exactly what he was working on.
Its a shame because hardware wise this is the best android phone right now.
Hate to say it....but i might go wm7
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If you're that stupid then please go ahead, so we don't have to listen to your *****ing on this board anymore. I get so sick and tired of people complaining about lack of support and how long everything is taking. Seriously people, have some patience. the phone has barely been out a month and already we have Root, Clockworkmod Recovery, Custom Theme's, AOSP apps, and an awesome Voodoo Lagfix. And all of that is on top of Samsung releasing source code that didn't work. Our amazing dev team was able to overcome that and more that almost no one on this forum is even aware of. Instead of donating time and money to encourage these guys, you waste time complaining about what you don't have. Just get your WP7 phone and take your impatience over to their forum.
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If you're that stupid then please go ahead, so we don't have to listen to your *****ing on this board anymore. I get so sick and tired of people complaining about lack of support and how long everything is taking. Seriously people, have some patience. the phone has barely been out a month and already we have Root, Clockworkmod Recovery, Custom Theme's, AOSP apps, and an awesome Voodoo Lagfix. And all of that is on top of Samsung releasing source code that didn't work. Our amazing dev team was able to overcome that and more that almost no one on this forum is even aware of. Instead of donating time and money to encourage these guys, you waste time complaining about what you don't have. Just get your WP7 phone and take your impatience over to their forum.
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I agree... heck on the Inc we didn't have root for months and months... You guys are way ahead of where the Inc was at the same time frame. Patience is key... it really seems like this phone is going to rock. I'm really torn on giving my Dinc over to a co worker and taking the new fascinate due to the development, but I know its coming.
as someone who trolls for info, doesn't contribute/dev (referring to myself), I agree. from what I've been reading, sounds like only a few are contributing with lots of folks benefitting. There's no way anyone should be complaining.
BTW, thanks to all for the work you've done and are doing. right now my contribution (at this point) is to read the info and if I have questions, read some more to find the answers. 99% of the time the question/problem has already been addressed...just takes a "little" effort to find it!
Look at the huge fanbase for CM from original Droid owners- Cyanogen had little or nothing to do with that. It was all Koush.
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Easy Assh#le. I didnt complain call anyone names BUT YOU NOW.
All i said was i might switch to wm7 and you go crazy. 99% of the people contribute nothing. Neither do you!! Were having a conversation! You dont like it leave bitc%!!!
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Btw my last post was aimed at sonofskywalker!
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Im quite sure if you go back over koushs tweets, or look in the CM forum it states he will do a port soon as the offical 2.2 is released. As always..he works from base, clean files. So I am willing to bet we see something after the infamous 2.2 comes around.
Koush has specifically said that he is waiting for Froyo to be released on the Galaxy S/Fascinate before even starting to port. Official Froyo. He needs the drivers, Kernel source, etc.
It's not like you can just make an AOSP ROM based on 2.2 out of thin air. You need the right tools.
If you're all that motivated, start coding. Otherwise, be patient. Incessant whining isn't going to make a dev who does this in his/her free time work any harder. If anything, it might turn them off.
If you look at the git repository you'll see that there hasn't been development on éclaire in months (since July). All development is being done on the Froyo branch.
Don't expect CyanogenMod until we get Froyo.
BTW, instead of being so impatient and making threads here, read through their info on the CM website. It has a wealth of information. If you want to see who's working on what then look at the git commits.
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I saw that late last year a project was closed to port HTC Sense over to the Fascinate. I noticed that some of the developers that were working on that project are the ones involved in trying to bring the Fascinate community Froyo. The thread was closed in November, just wondering if the anyone knew where that project was currently. I am assuming that there is too much going on to mess with it. I also assume since the thread was closed due to resources, it's dead right now.
*Covers head with hands, before the flaming starts*
Maybe I missed something, but just curious on the status is all.
Thanks,
Leroy \oo/
Buy a droid incredible. You will have sense. I promise.
Team whiskey moved on. Seriously though, if you want sense ui, you probably got the wrong phone.
RacerXFD said:
Buy a droid incredible. You will have sense. I promise.
Team whiskey moved on. Seriously though, if you want sense ui, you probably got the wrong phone.
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Lol, Actually I bought a Incredible for my step daughter yesterday . I am really impressed with it, especially to be as old as it is. It is fast, sleek UI. I bought a moto droid to begin with and my wife has one also. I moved on to the Fascinate and passed the 30 day mark the other day. I have three different droid familys within my family . I have to say that I am really impressed with HTC. I am impressed with the hardware of my Fascinate also, just need flash. Thanks for the reply.
Your welcome. I tried to not be offensive in this post. Sorry if it came across that way.
Yea, not ready sure what happened to team whiskey. Seemed like there was enough interest, but I think they moved on to porting a stable froyo for the vibrant or captivate.
which rom will win the rom war?
Ill wait till acs tackles official gingerbread... should be fantastic given their work. Keep in mind I'm coming from the moment
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*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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No phone is too hard to work on.
Some "developers" (I use that term very loosely) are just too lazy to accomplish things.
Apples/Oranges
SRF 1.2 is highly customized/optimized, GB is stock.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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it's supposed to cure 'gyne-syphi-herpe-l-aids'... (say it real fast.. it's almost all STDs LOL)..
actually, it's closest thing to a very customizable AOSP experience that can be had.
I also don't buy the whole 'too hard to work on' thing.. I just think there's not enough interest in developing or porting it to our device.. just my opinion.. there's plenty of demand, just not enough development interest. (or development collaboration ??.. i'm out of the loop, so i'm unsure)
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.
im still feelin srf 1.2, cant wait for 1.3, thdy could get the best of both worlds would be great
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*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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Cyanogenmod is better than all roms??
Please send me the link to their previous works for the Epi...........oh wait.......haaaaa you almost had me!
A friendly jest
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Srf is my favorite, But I haven't used eg22 yet. I was spoiled when I first rooted my phone by acs/srf by konane and a very responsive impaler. I don't feel as much love over there but its still the best rom for the epic. That being said I ready to try eg22.
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I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.
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I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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Pretty much exactly how I feel about it as well. Just know its not the popular opinion 'round these parts.
OK, I dont understand the CM hype either, and no, havent used it, ill gladly try it if someone feels like doing it, but I dont think it was in the contract with our phone. I have seen multiple threads of various groups or individuals working on it, a version thrown in the trash (or just forgotten) because it didnt follow the CM guidelines or whatever (these are custom roms, right?)... regardless, most people who have recently worked on it have been waiting for whatever is a final source... froyo and GB are too close together to make it worth the time and effort to build something like that for the notorious level of appreciation for Epic Dev in general... maybe those who still give a crap at this point will do it when theres source and it can be done 'right'... but isnt the first rule of CM is to never talk about CM??? Maybe Devs have been annoyed off the project. I know I wouldnt want the entitled CM fanatics up on my nuts every five minutes... and this is not directed at those posting in favor of it, just overall interest in it since launch of this device. Or maybe the oh so amazingness of every device being the same should remain apples thing.... idunno... one rom to rule them all? Boring. MIUI?
But on topic, apples and oranges, all roms ymmv... kinda silly thread, but im glad the thought police have left the Epic building.
As mentioned, you're comparing a customized Syndicate rom to a stock Gingerbread rom. With different base structures. They can't be compared, although for your purposes I'd likely stick with Syndicate until they or others gain access to official source and pimp out their own Gingerbread.
As far as CyanogenMod, it was half-ported to the Epic some time ago.
Things that do NOT work :
GPS (Hm, I use my GPS a fair amount)
Camera (Well that's inconvenient, this is my most used camera)
Multimedia Messaging (How am I supposed to send all those pictures I can't take?)
Bluetooth In-Call (In an increasing amount of states, this is the only legal way to talk and drive)
WiMax 4G (I ACTUALLY work in a city where I get 4G)
The developers of CM7 have basically stated that they're too lazy to put any effort into this device until 2.3 officially drops. We'll see if they don't say the same things when that actually happens... But they're free people welcome to develop on whatever they want. The point is, there is no CM that compares with anything the Epic's dedicated developers have released.
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Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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These people are upset that the source isn't out. They had source from the froyo and eclair builds for their phone along with pretty decently documented RIL patches. None of the samsung phones have well documented RIL patches (well I guess the actual SGS does now)
The EpicCM team has stated that anyone can join the effort. I guess most of the devs in this forum are just ROM cooks though and don't know anything about actual coding. (getting my trollface and flamesuit on for that one)
I think they are really apples to oranges on all sides. SFR is a decent rom (well 1.1.1 is.) And fairly stable, but it still has samsung crap in it throughout all the frameworks etc. I came from a device that never had any bloatware stuff like touchwiz or sense. I think both are junk and get in my way more than help me.
SFR is a nice attempt at getting rid of a good portion of that, but still nowhere near an AOSP or CM build.
Also on that note CM is an actual build. Everything is compiled against the phone libs and not just modified and baked back into the rom. Not exactly a solid comparison, but I felt like trolling this thread a bit. I don't think SFR and stock Gingerbread is a good comparison either for similar reasons.
Other phones didn't have things written from the ground up. Certain files were kanged or already documented. HTC phones were already well documented in actual Android source with the G1. So the RIL was already in place with just minor changes needed. You are very mistaken in this. Infact if you look in the actual source code http://android.git.kernel.org/ you can see the script that is used to kang the files even.
It really has nothing to do with the partitions either. That was easy stuff. Obviously since CM6 and CM7 have both been able to boot. Again it has been the RIL stuff that has been the main obstacle in all of this from what I can tell in the github and following the actual development.
josidhe said:
No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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Can I ask you how you see it as overrated?
It is pretty close to AOSP. It pulls down AOSP code and gets modified a bit from there. Reality is it doesn't drift far from the AOSP code. The changes made are usually additional APK's. I would have to disagree with you on that one. If it doesn't full support the hardware it was on then it wasn't a stable build of CM. CM on my roommates Evo runs phenomenally and all of the hardware works well. The CM implementation of WiMAX is actually faster than HTC's.
You are right. Every ROM will have fans insisting it is the best. But I actually KNOW CM is the best /fanboy style posting
woooo... deep stuff, i see everybody's point
The Evo Shift forums are the most dead ive seen .. is their development gonna die soon as well? I thought HTC had the best development .. guess not?
Ahhh it does feel that wayyyy. I'm on here everyday and it all of a sudden just got slow. I was guessing this phones already outdated :/
Evo SHIFT
Not saying you're wrong, but between those of us that a satisfied with the roms we are running and being patient waiting on the release of the source code,plus throw in those that for whatever reason updated and lost root that would tend to quiet things down. Just my 2 cents
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we just have to wait for htc to release the source code for the new update and I bet the devs will start cooking some nice kernels...
patience friends!
it's just a matter of time... patience grasshopper
Not dead but there is only so much that we can do, we have a couple sense based roms and a few aosp, anything you want it particular?
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Yeah we have some Sense ROMs, some AOSP including CM7, and MIUI. There's really not much more to ask for.
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Yeah we have some Sense ROMs, some AOSP including CM7, and MIUI. There's really not much more to ask for.
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+1
plus the roms are great
Myn said on the EVO forums last night that someone is working on Syngery for the shift, great Rom highly recommended
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I suspect the Shift simply was never THAT popular due to the smaller screen and slider design...which were exactly the reasons I choose it. Being less popular, of course the devs are working on the others...hopefully they will not forget us...
you all have valid points. its just that i bought a evo shift again, which im giving up my Epic for due to the battery life.
hmm hopefully I dont regret
If by "dead" you mean the Shift forums don't have a hundred identical ROMs with minor theme changes and different apps removed/added then yes, the Shift forum is "dead".
The Shift has CM7, MIUI, and several dope Sense 2.1/3.0 ROMs. What else would you want? Surely you're not missing the Epic development? They got a working version of CM7 for the Epic yet?
It's funny to see so many posts about lack of development when on a near dailey basis I flash a new CM7 nightly.
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If by "dead" you mean the Shift forums don't have a hundred identical ROMs with minor theme changes and different apps removed/added then yes, the Shift forum is "dead".
The Shift has CM7, MIUI, and several dope Sense 2.1/3.0 ROMs. What else would you want? Surely you're not missing the Epic development? They got a working version of CM7 for the Epic yet?
It's funny to see so many posts about lack of development when on a near dailey basis I flash a new CM7 nightly.
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People just need something to complain about
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How's this for non-complaining? I just got the Shift a few weeks ago with Gingerbead on it, so I'm patiently awaiting permroot, yet I still absolutely love the phone. The main reasons I chose it are the size (I can't stand the "brick in the pocket" new 4G phones), great physical keyboard, pretty good processing power, and 4G. In fact, I liked the phone so much, I switched over to Sprint from Verizon just to get it.
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How's this for non-complaining? I just got the Shift a few weeks ago with Gingerbead on it, so I'm patiently awaiting permroot, yet I still absolutely love the phone. The main reasons I chose it are the size (I can't stand the "brick in the pocket" new 4G phones), great physical keyboard, pretty good processing power, and 4G. In fact, I liked the phone so much, I switched over to Sprint from Verizon just to get it.
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Nice and positive,lol ! Welcome aboard !
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you all have valid points. its just that i bought a evo shift again, which im giving up my Epic for due to the battery life.
hmm hopefully I dont regret
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I personally don't think you will but that's me . We got the temp root goin on and they'll get permit root but with this new update it's supposed to fix the reload of sense. So it'll be all good
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As a favor, I ask that you all start blowing up HTC with requests for source code for the 2.6.35 Evo Shift kernel. Personally, I have called them, used their online support system, posted on their forum, and made tweets (directed @htc with tags #GPL and #Android) about their blatant disregard for the GPLv2 license.
At this point in time, they haven't released the kernel source code for the latest update. The fact that they don't do this, *and* give most people some canned response about "90 to 120 days" is illegal. There is no provision in the GPLv2 licence about an arbitrary "delay".
Here's an example from a previous GPL violation and customer exchange: http://users.livejournal.com/joshua_/41833.html (not me, lol)
In short, HTC is supposed to release kernel source at the same time or before the executable code is released into the wild (to end users).
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As a favor, I ask that you all start blowing up HTC with requests for source code for the 2.6.35 Evo Shift kernel. Personally, I have called them, used their online support system, posted on their forum, and made tweets (directed @htc with tags #GPL and #Android) about their blatant disregard for the GPLv2 license.
At this point in time, they haven't released the kernel source code for the latest update. The fact that they don't do this, *and* give most people some canned response about "90 to 120 days" is illegal. There is no provision in the GPLv2 licence about an arbitrary "delay".
Here's an example from a previous GPL violation and customer exchange: http://users.livejournal.com/joshua_/41833.html (not me, lol)
In short, HTC is supposed to release kernel source at the same time or before the executable code is released into the wild (to end users).
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Consider it done
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My FB to HTC said:
Hey HTC! RELEASE the source code for the 2.6.35 Evo Shift kernel. PLEASE! It appears you are in violation of the GPLv2 license. Please do not give some canned response about "90 to 120 days." There is no provision in the GPLv2 licence about an arbitrary "delay".
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Everyone else who still has FB should do the same.
Give this a try. You won't be disappointed!