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Hi all
I'd really appreciate to have a sticky (and updated) comparison table of all 6.x ROM's available. This would help users to decide and stop threads like "which is the best rom".
As I'm not a pro in knowing too many details about ROM's, I'm not able to do this :-(
So, is there anybody who could create such a list?
Thanks a lot!
this is a good idea but i'm too noobie as well to know what is inside the rom...
what i do was to read the pages as many as i can before deciding which roms is right for me...once i can make a decisiion, then i downloaded it and install...
if i'm not happy, i can always go back to the previous ROM...
zanthos said:
Hi all
I'd really appreciate to have a sticky (and updated) comparison table of all 6.x ROM's available. This would help users to decide and stop threads like "which is the best rom".
As I'm not a pro in knowing too many details about ROM's, I'm not able to do this :-(
So, is there anybody who could create such a list?
Thanks a lot!
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It would be interesting if you read all the pages by yourself, I am sure you would enjoy and it would open a new chapter for you. Best wishes.
I agree with April 1.
With that said... you'll avoid plunging yourself into deep waters.
It will develop the habit of all members(new and old) to read first, starting from the wiki.
You will also get the chance to know the members.
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You'll have the chance of being a "pro" (knowledgeable).
Polaris ppl: Please Vote>>>MODERATOR! Please lock "HTC Polaris tweaks and tips.."
Seriously, guys, the "HTC Polaris tweaks and tricks" is completely out of control and ruining our Polaris forum. Issues that should be posted in general, or that deserve a new thread are all being posted in the tweaks and tricks thread. It has over 890 replies as of date! Its impossible to read, and a lot of good information and good answers to questions are getting lost in it.
Please, please, can a moderator lock just extract the original tweaks and tricks and lock the thread.
I've even included a poll so that we Polaris ppl can vote on the issue.
completely agree, i follow this forum almost everyday, but I never look there, it's too big a mess for me!!
good idea!
My god please do this!
all the usefull post (of the ts) should be putted in a new locked topic so you get 3 or 4 post with only usefull information!
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Seriously, guys, the "HTC Polaris tweaks and tricks" is completely out of control and ruining our Polaris forum. Issues that should be posted in general, or that deserve a new thread are all being posted in the tweaks and tricks thread. It has over 890 replies as of date! Its impossible to read, and a lot of good information and good answers to questions are getting lost in it.
Please, please, can a moderator lock just extract the original tweaks and tricks and lock the thread.
I've even included a poll so that we Polaris ppl can vote on the issue.
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The thread is a mess, it served it's purpose but has now become too cumbersome: remove the sticky and let this thread drift off into history.
As said above, we need a new page with the final list of Tweaks and Tricks, to be locked and linked to from the Wiki page.
The Polaris part of this site is completely amateur compared to some of the other areas I been on before - it's like it's still being treated like a beta product rather than the full production product it is now. Lots of people are running around developing different versions of the same things with very minor differences and no one wants to collect and document things in any standardized or useful manner. Unless you read every post in every thread you risk missing some valuable setting and having a system which can't do everything you need.
It would be a dream to have a wiki page with links to official roms, cooked roms, radio roms, utilities, tweaks and issues; with every thread linked from the wiki being no longer than one page in length. Strict enforcement and removal of off-topic posts would help.
It's great that everyone is working on developing continuously improved versions on a theme but if nobody builds-up the knowledge base around it then most of these efforts won’t get to the people who need them.
agree with you guys .. at 1st I found it useful because I knew where to look (at what pages) if I wanted to find anything .. now If I wand to find some new tips I have 2 read the thread for 2 days to see there are no new news.
If you could do something to improve the meaning of that thread if would be GREAT. If not, close it and remove it from "sticky" threads list.
cheers
IMO the thread is still useful, I vote for "let it open"
Why don't U just use the board function "Search this thread" to find your
solution?
I have to agree to Lock the thread - even though im relatively new to the forums i have been coming here for a very long time.
Additionally its not just that thread but a couple of the others too. TAKE BEPE'S Rom thread / and Udk - You have to go into them to see if any updates have been carried out - Bepe's says 0.65 , however 0.67 is available. New rom should = new thread!
In general it needs a clean up.
Thread is very usefull, but has become monster. It contains many usefull tips & tricks (as intended) and a lot of questions which are obscuring answers. I'm aware that without questions there would be no answers...
As I altready suggested there, it needs cleaning up... and there's no way you can search "iGO", for instance...
well guys..!
Who can make new thread ?
If some one here can make new thread beter than old one.I will lock it
Cheers..!
It voted for close it. I think a Tips and Tricks thread should not contain questions. Only the answers to questions, asked in other threads, should be put in the Tips 'n Tricks thread, as a kind of summary. Else it should be called the Ask-Everything-You-Want-And-Write-Anything-You-Like-In-This-Thread-So-It-Becomes-Unfindable-thread.
why do we even need another thread? can't this one just be closed and we use the forums as normal, creating a thread for an individual subject as and when we need to - I don't see the point in closing it just to start another one...
Someone could create a wiki out of the old thread and leave it at that, or just leave it there for peeps to look at/refer to when needs be.
Wiki
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Could someone could create a wiki out of the old thread and leave it at that.
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I think that is an excellant idea
Okay firstly this is what jaxouk wrote:
I have read many posts where people are asking which is the best rom for my device (and have done myself) only to get abrupt replies with something like "how dare you ask this, chefs put a lot of effort into each rom and its down to personal preferance blah blah" ................"THREAD CLOSED"
Does every one think think this is the best way for xda to be run or is there other people that think this should be allowed to be debated? I know this is originally a developer forum, however I would hazard a guess that there is now more public users that devolpers.
The thing is developers develope roms and yes certainly they put a lot of time and effort into it and are respected rightly so for it. however can the end user really be expected not to be allowed to discuss these roms on the forum only to be told the above mensioned things. It happens time and again over and over. People like myself (the end user) do not have time to flash every rom to find the ones they like. (its a days setting up for myself after a flash) and if its crap (which there is no denying. some are) its a day wasted.
What I think the forum needs is a "ROM USER REVIEW" section where people like myself can go and rate a rom for other users referance.
Surely this is the key to better roms. If one developers rom is poor hes going to be able to see that its poor and will/might take the user rating / comments on board and the next time try harder.... ultimately producing a better rom.
Competition is what makes better products, If handset manufacturers took the same stance as xda we would be waiting for the realease of the o2 xda 2s later this year. and this is the same in all industries.
Okay so firstly Spot on and totally agree with you which as we all can see the majority of members using XDA agree with too.
Secondly this is what itje wrote who is a Moderator here:
I closed this thread, due to the same reason all the others that are similar all over xda are closed on sight.
These kind of threads usualy/always ends up in disputes and flamewars, there is always some hotheaded ppl who burst into flames when someone dont have the same view as they do.
So... sorry, yeah we close
So basically what you are saying is we as members are not allowed to treat XDA as a discussion forum as well as a Developer Forum? I thought the whole meaning to the word Forum, was for people to discuss there DIFFERENT opinions and have certain disputes with one another.
Sorry if people dont agree with this and please tell me why but I just think its silly that a mod would close a thread incase someone shouts and god forbid have an opinion.
Let me know what you guys think
It´s realy funny, when new user come to this forum and try to tell the old, experienced user, how the forum should go. I sometimes need to laugh about those statements but there are times i only want cry
I´m 100% agree with the Moderators (cause they are Moderators ). If you spend some more time around here, you will see how this forum works. Just use it, don´t complain.
I wasnt telling anyone how to run THIS forum I was basically explaining to everyone how a forum is normally run, if this is the way everyone likes it then fine but looking through 100's of posts and topics around here all I see is members and "noobs" getting put down from the likes of you.
crazy cat said:
It´s realy funny, when new user come to this forum and try to tell the old, experienced user, how the forum should go. I sometimes need to laugh about those statements but there are times i only want cry
I´m 100% agree with the Moderators (cause they are Moderators ). If you spend some more time around here, you will see how this forum works. Just use it, don´t complain.
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me no understand
This has been explained again and again.
Personal and objective opinions are not allowed here. So if you can't make your own judgement on which ROM's to use you might want to stick to the stock ROM. Or The best thing to do is setup your own personal blog for these types of things. Then you can say what you want.
This will be another thread closed soon i feel.
It's impossible to determine what 'the best rom' would be...
Some ppl love a transparent clock, others hate it.
Same with the slider bar.
Same with themes.
Some ppl love a windows build with the start button on the top, some ppl love it with the button on the bottom.
Some ppl love to have a crapload of apps installed, some ppl hate it.
Some ppl love to have the newest unstable build, some ppl want the secure and stable one.
I might love a rom and you might hate it, the only objective criteria is how stable a rom is but even that can be debated. So you just have to try, see what works for you and go from there.
thread closed (i wish)
i have no problem myself with people arguing about something, even when things are heating. i am more then capable to defend myself
you know what they say - when the going gets tough, the though gets going
it is clear that general policy of this forum will not allow this kind of debate
what i am suggesting is something i saw on othe forums:
a special place with a big warnig ENTER ON YOUR OWN RISK, or something like that
this special place is organised as a battle place where every user can call out another user on a subject and then they have a public "battle". the other users are the public and in the end they choose which of the fighters is the winner
here the rules are somehow loose and mods only came in when things are realy degenerate - curses, personal insults, family offense, etc.
bottom line - i, personaly, would allow topics about best roms, best apps, best whatever, and when people cross the line i would suggest them to cool down on the battle field
this can be a stupid ideea, but maybe something like that will help users to get off the presure somewhere and then to disscuss cool and polite the subjects they are interested in
regards
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i have no problem myself with people arguing about something, even when things are heating. i am more then capable to defend myself
you know what they say - when the going gets tough, the though gets going
it is clear that general policy of this forum will not allow this kind of debate
what i am suggesting is something i saw on othe forums:
a special place with a big warnig ENTER ON YOUR OWN RISK, or something like that
this special place is organised as a battle place where every user can call out another user on a subject and then they have a public "battle". the other users are the public and in the end they choose which of the fighters is the winner
here the rules are somehow loose and mods only came in when things are realy degenerate - curses, personal insults, family offense, etc.
bottom line - i, personaly, would allow topics about best roms, best apps, best whatever, and when people cross the line i would suggest them to cool down on the battle field
this can be a stupid ideea, but maybe something like that will help users to get off the presure somewhere and then to disscuss cool and polite the subjects they are interested in
regards
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Another problem with this kind of thing is you will have people come to this thread and ***** and complain about a particular ROM instead of the original ROM thread. The truth be known many of the problems users face are due to them not following instruction or due to some other incompatible software there are trying to use and then they blame their problems on the ROM creator. The down side to this is a thread like this will only open up negative criticism of a ROM and cause harm to the cook that maybe unjust. Not to mention that the problems need to be kept within the ROM threads in order to better improve the ROM's.
I understand what people want and this is why I made the statement to open your own blog or site to do these things and then link to here.
i have to agree. cooker cooks a rom and we rate it. if it was just "cook, post, upload, thread closed" in res of the world then everyone would buy apple, but cause its the information age we need to know what is what and where is where.
this should be even more seen here on "professional" forum like xda-developers.
i totaly agree with OP.
@bazgee: saying that 'noobs' shouldnt talk.. makes you so much more a 'noob'. your ass wasn't born smart and so wasn't OPs.
bobsbbq said:
Another problem with this kind of thing is you will have people come to this thread and ***** and complain about a particular ROM instead of the original ROM thread.
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The down side to this is a thread like this will only open up negative criticism of a ROM and cause harm to the cook that maybe unjust. Not to mention that the problems need to be kept within the ROM threads in order to better improve the ROM's.
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This is what forums are for!! To ASK, and to ANSWER!!
Edit; I'm not going to say something, post removed.
Really, is it *that* hard to understand there is *no* best ROM? They are all different!
It's apples vs oranges. It can't be compared. If your imagination needs a bit of help, look up consoles vs PCs, or PS3 vs x360 threads. Have you ever seen one not turn into a massive flamefest? ... exactly!
If you want to make sure a ROM working, check the last 2-3 pages of ROMs thread to see if there are people complaining.
Developers Forum?
The notion that this is a developers forum is a myth anyway. The end users play a massive role in here, determining bugs, requesting new features or feature removal and indeed critiquing the ROM within its own thread.
The idea that WW3 will break out if we allow dedicated discussion threads seems a bit weak to me. I've seen heated discussions in ROM threads and they never became more than that.
I'm sure it is more to do with protecting the ROM developers so that the ones who's ROMs may be bottom of the pile don't walk away, which is fair enough.
But from some people there is an all around lack of respect on this forum for the general user who do that deepest broadest testing, offer wirespread feedback and go a long way to making the ROM's what they are today.
And do not forget - if these folks weren't here to download the ROM's, how many chefs do you think would be here to cook them! Both sides need each other. I don't doubt the chefs get a kick from giving people what they want.
The moderators don't 'need' to do anything (We will all be here anyway) but if they have some respect then they should take on board and accomodate what appears to be the opinion of a vast number of users.
I'm sure there is some middle ground somewhere if we try and look ....
Really, is it *that* hard to understand there is *no* best ROM? They are all different!
That is not the case. There are roms that are the fastest, Roms that are the smoothest, Roms that have the best landscape support, Roms with the best apps to suit needs amongst others. Certainly if you try and make one overall top ten then it is going to be a lucky dip, but nobody suggested that.
It's apples vs oranges. It can't be compared. If your imagination needs a bit of help, look up consoles vs PCs, or PS3 vs x360 threads. Have you ever seen one not turn into a massive flamefest? ... exactly!
I'm not sure consolve vs PC is quite the same a comparing different ROMs as they have the same hardware, similar architecture, purpose etc Your also getting a little needlesly condescending now ;-)
If you want to make sure a ROM working, check the last 2-3 pages of ROMs thread to see if there are people complaining.
This is good advice for bug testing but does not offer any more constructive information on the whole.
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Really, is it *that* hard to understand there is *no* best ROM? They are all different!
That is not the case. There are roms that are the fastest, Roms that are the smoothest, Roms that have the best landscape support, Roms with the best apps to suit needs amongst others. Certainly if you try and make one overall top ten then it is going to be a lucky dip, but nobody suggested that.
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How exactly they are not different then? There is no two exactly same ROMs, with exactly same aims and objectives of a cook over here. Reading ROM description tells you exactly what the rom does and what the cook aims to achieve.
As an example; some ROMs have custom themes, some roms use MaxManilla, some use stock, some use something completely different. You can't quantify what's better. It's personal preference.
You can't possibly quantify 'best apps to suit needs' as everyone has different needs. As I said apples vs oranges.
If you want to make sure a ROM working, check the last 2-3 pages of ROMs thread to see if there are people complaining.
This is good advice for bug testing but does not offer any more constructive information on the whole.
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Again, I'm trying to understand what are you on about, but I can't. What is constructive information according to you?
You have ROM description on the first page, you can check the last few if there are any issues with it. What else do you want?
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i agree what bobsbbq said ,is not fair to say that this rom is good and this rom is better but if you try the other rom is far more better,is dissrespectul from the chefs trying to help you guys having best rom's avialible and to open another thread to say things like that is bad,so for me i choose my own judgement and would not ask others wich rom is best,so this thread is closed
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The notion that this is a developers forum is a myth anyway.
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You're saying this like it is somehow an acceptable, or possibly even a good thing. It is not.
It's true that this forum is now visited by people who:
cannot be bothered to read the first post of any thread
have no intention of educating themselves, only blindly consuming
will shamelessly ***** and make demands about things they are getting for free
These people do not make the community "better" in any way, and this kind of behaviour should not be tolerated in my view.
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The idea that WW3 will break out if we allow dedicated discussion threads seems a bit weak to me. I've seen heated discussions in ROM threads and they never became more than that.
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Heated discussions in themselves do not need to escalate any further. They are already a waste of everybody's time, and have no place here.
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But from some people there is an all around lack of respect on this forum for the general user who do that deepest broadest testing, offer wirespread feedback and go a long way to making the ROM's what they are today.
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I'm relatively sure the user who is seriously interested in testing and reporting is not in need of a completely seperate thread to voice their opinion on which ROM is somehow "best". For testers it's not constructive to voice opinions about a ROM in any other thread than the original ROM thread.
mwillems2 said:
And do not forget - if these folks weren't here to download the ROM's, how many chefs do you think would be here to cook them! Both sides need each other. I don't doubt the chefs get a kick from giving people what they want.
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Not so sure about that. I've seen plenty of chefs say that they basically cook for themselves, and just like to share. Even if they are cooking for the community, they do not need people to praise or diss their ROM's in any other thread than their own.
Overall, I feel the biggest problem with having a centralized ROM discussion thread is the intented audience: people who cannot be bothered to test and compare by themselves, people who cannot be bothered to read individual ROM threads.
What would be the point in creating a new thread for these people? Once it gets beyond 1 page, they will not bothered to read it anyway.
for me personally these "top 20s" don't have any value whatsoever but i understand why so many people want them. some of them are just lazy and want to avoid to read the threads, others are not able to think for themselves and need to be told what is good or bad for them and there are those who want to become famous reviewers.
for cryin' out loud, don't fix what is not broken! this forum is perfect as it is. moderators, don't let the comorades tell you what to do!
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How exactly they are not different then? There is no two exactly same ROMs, with exactly same aims and objectives of a cook over here. Reading ROM description tells you exactly what the rom does and what the cook aims to achieve.
As an example; some ROMs have custom themes, some roms use MaxManilla, some use stock, some use something completely different. You can't quantify what's better. It's personal preference.
You can't possibly quantify 'best apps to suit needs' as everyone has different needs. As I said apples vs oranges.
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I think is better we not make comparative, believe it is better for all!!
but if you say it is impossible to compare among themselves the Rom, you're wrong!
lol reopened.
anyway i belive this huld be discussed. we are here three levels of people. so this will need for 1st level, and 2nd level will be trying the roms and giving feed backs. so 3rd level always will be cooking and editing roms. just my opinion.
lets start the work.. i go for duttys HG V.08
This is starting as an idea, it is a subject to change depending on demands and evaluation from developers/users.
So, lately I've been seeing a lot of ROM threads with very bad grammar and lame designs that just make you want to leave the thread without even looking at what it's got to offer.
I was thinking of putting an end to this by designing threads for ROM developers so that the threads look sleek, cool and attractive. This would of course cost them nothing, rather than the time it would take me to design those threads.
Each design would probably take 2-3 days, depending on the requests (numbers and details of request).
Things I would need for the design:
Screenshots of the ROM
ROM name
ROM info
links to specific files
[*]Or, you could just lead me to your current thread, I'd take the info from there and transfer it to the new design.
This is what you'd get from me:
Better grammar in the thread
Better thread design
Overall feel of the thread
Better overview and placement of ROM sections (links, screenshots, information, changelog...)
Eventually more users of your ROM
Threads I've designed by now:
Alzbac's DonutHD
Just like you said, it is indeed very hard to read a very messy thread, and I always end up not founding what it is about, and where to get it.
This is a very good idea. Good luck.
good one man...
I'll ask you when i need for my rom
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Nice Idea!
Hope a lot of developers that got problems with their english ask you to help them. Good Luck with your "project".
Someone read my mind.
+1 on vote
+1 TY
I would however suggest that changes per version be shown in detail.
"detail as in... all changes."
Developers may be allowed however to with hold some rom superiority changes.
To allow the rom DEV to fairly claim some fame for his work unless he feels the requirement to share the details of his finding A.S.A.P.
Screen shots is a must have.
The page should use thumbnails to dump stress on XDA and other servers... and allow you to click on them for a full view. "unless pictures of rom are already quite small."
The page should better reflect the quality and effort of the rom..
Hell knows... i put effort into all my posts.
I don't quite understand...
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Someone read my mind.
+1 on vote
+1 TY
I would however suggest that changes per version be shown in detail.
"detail as in... all changes."
Developers may be allowed however to with hold some rom superiority changes.
To allow the rom DEV to fairly claim some fame for his work unless he feels the requirement to share the details of his finding A.S.A.P.
Screen shots is a must have.
The page should use thumbnails to dump stress on XDA and other servers... and allow you to click on them for a full view. "unless pictures of rom are already quite small."
The page should better reflect the quality and effort of the rom..
Hell knows... i put effort into all my posts.
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Please don't get me wrong, but I've read your post like 4 times and I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. It must be because of the stress from school and lack of concetration.
Anyways, you said "changes per version be shown"... version of what? I don't design ROM's, I design threads, that make finding what you want in a specific thread easier. There are no versions in thread designs.
"Developers may be allowed however to with hold some rom superiority changes."
Developers can ask me to change anything they want after I've shown them a design of the thread, such as font type, font size, colour and stuff.
"Screen shots is a must have."
I could include this into my project, but the developers that asked me to design them a thread get the text codes for the design, which they just copy-paste to a Reply Box and just press Preview Post, from there developers can see how the thread would look like. If they like it, they just press Submit Reply and overwrite their previous thread text with mine.
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Please don't get me wrong, but I've read your post like 4 times and I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. It must be because of the stress from school and lack of concetration.
Anyways, you said "changes per version be shown"... version of what? I don't design ROM's, I design threads, that make finding what you want in a specific thread easier. There are no versions in thread designs.
"Developers may be allowed however to with hold some rom superiority changes."
Developers can ask me to change anything they want after I've shown them a design of the thread, such as font type, font size, colour and stuff.
"Screen shots is a must have."
I could include this into my project, but the developers that asked me to design them a thread get the text codes for the design, which they just copy-paste to a Reply Box and just press Preview Post, from there developers can see how the thread would look like. If they like it, they just press Submit Reply and overwrite their previous thread text with mine.
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Ummm... I don't know what is wrong..... is it me... or is it you... idk.
A almost good example of a ordered rom thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532015
Wish I had thought of something like this! I agree some of the threads actually hurt my eyes to look at (sorry but it's the truth! ahah)
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Wish I had thought of something like this! I agree some of the threads actually hurt my eyes to look at (sorry but it's the truth! ahah)
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not all developers are native English speakers
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not all developers are native English speakers
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I know I was talking about the scattered layout and big pictures that don't actually work that appears on some of the threads.
Another good example of a good rom thread..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24005883
Hey all.
I find myself wondering two things, and thought it best to post it here. Been lurking for some time, love it here.
My first question deals with all the ROMs that are posted here, it's possible questions like this already exists in another thread so please direct me there as my searches didn't turn up anything. For those of us who aren't tech savvy to the point of knowing every abbreviation, technical detail and such, and even for the sake of practicality, is it a good idea to require that developers post a few lines about what their ROM actually does and what sets it apart?
Some ROMs do this, others don't. ParanoidAndroid is the first that comes to mind here at the Note section, where the developers explain in detail what it actually does. Other ROMs, I find, take it for granted that people will understand what this rom does or is about, and so we have to look around or maybe visit their home page or even try it out before discovering if it suits our purposes. Any rules or regulations on this sort of thing already? There are plenty of ROMs here, and instead of flashing every single one it seems appropriate to be offered a short explanation instead-
Secondly, I just bought a Valentinus (by Spigen) case, and want to do a review - where do I post that?
Have a great weekend.
I agree with you !
I think that ROM Chefs should write a brief description on what makes their ROM differ from the rest, There are a lot of similar ROMs out there at the moment, Not that it bothers me as i like how the development is so big.
I usually read the threads and get peoples opinions before flashing, That gives me an insight on what to expect from that particular ROM, But as i just said, A little description wouldnt go a miss
Oh and as for your case review, That should be in the Accessories Section, Theres a thread all about cases in there, you may want to add it into that!
Greets.
I agree. A few lines should be plenty, a brief description so we don't have to go through the 50+ pages and scour thru user problems, queries and other trivial matters. When we have so many roms, it is essential to get an overview. One master thread, sort of like the huge review list they have over at head-fi, detailing contents and function.
Thanks for the tip on the reviews.
Cheers.
+1
A short description will do no harm to any
If the dev is busy, the dev should ask any of the community users sure there are a lot there to help,
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We had a similar discussion in one of the threads. If you go to the note wiki page you can find the list of kernels and roms available and their features. Thou this is in its early stage,after updating that list it will be a lot helpful
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